"It mostly comes down to “you just don’t understand game development” and “be nice to us.”
As usual, let's put words in mouth of a guy that never said or intended to say so.
It is almost literally what he said, it is there for everybody to read. And I definitely didn’t put these words in his mouth, it was my summary. Which you don’t agree with, surprise.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
“I can promise you the gameplay I described is not a pipe dream, nor will it take 10 to 20 years to deliver.”
To that title?
Creative "Journalism" is a thing we get it but misrepresenting quotes for clickbait is kind low.
I think the title perfectly covers what he said. Unless you think it will take longer. Do you Babs? Do you think it will take longer? Because I think it will be a foto finish.
The gameplay described is not "Star Citizen" but a small part of it lol
Star Citizen will, hopefully, never be "complete" in the sense that it will always be updated and improoved along the years.
And since It is already, for many gamers, the best space sim experience available in the market. What you should be asking is how long it will take other studios with more experience money and manpower to catch up.
“I can promise you the gameplay I described is not a pipe dream, nor will it take 10 to 20 years to deliver.”
To that title?
Creative "Journalism" is a thing we get it but misrepresenting quotes for clickbait is kind low.
I think the title perfectly covers what he said. Unless you think it will take longer. Do you Babs? Do you think it will take longer? Because I think it will be a foto finish.
The gameplay described is not "Star Citizen" but a small part of it lol
Star Citizen will, hopefully, never be "complete" in the sense that it will always be updated and improoved along the years.
And since It is already, for many gamers, the best space sim experience available in the market. What you should be asking is how long it will take other studios with more experience money and manpower to catch up.
“I can promise you the gameplay I described is not a pipe dream, nor will it take 10 to 20 years to deliver.”
To that title?
Creative "Journalism" is a thing we get it but misrepresenting quotes for clickbait is kind low.
I think the title perfectly covers what he said. Unless you think it will take longer. Do you Babs? Do you think it will take longer? Because I think it will be a foto finish.
The gameplay described is not "Star Citizen" but a small part of it lol
Star Citizen will, hopefully, never be "complete" in the sense that it will always be updated and improoved along the years.
And since It is already, for many gamers, the best space sim experience available in the market. What you should be asking is how long it will take other studios with more experience money and manpower to catch up.
For many it is also a heavily delayed, overpriced, clumsily put together, tiny slice of actual gameplay, piece of tech demo not even fitting of the term Alpha.
Perhaps we shouldn't be talking in nonsensical extremes.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
For many it is also a heavily delayed, overpriced, clumsily put together, tiny slice of actual gameplay, piece of tech demo not even fitting of the term Alpha.
Perhaps we shouldn't be talking in nonsensical extremes.
And that's perfectly fine as no game is or will ever be for everyone and like all products it will always be the people who enjoy them that matter.
For many it is also a heavily delayed, overpriced, clumsily put together, tiny slice of actual gameplay, piece of tech demo not even fitting of the term Alpha.
Perhaps we shouldn't be talking in nonsensical extremes.
And that's perfectly fine as no game is or will ever be for everyone and like all products it will always be the people who enjoy them that matter.
Hey thats cool, we agree.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
I mean he said 5 years top's a decade ago, hell yeah, so maybe in our lifetime is on the table.
let's forget totally scope change for two triple-A back in mid-2014 because it have zero meaning in terms of development.
Scope change that make join 1.000.000 individual backers versus the 40K backers at end of Nov. 2012
When is the next scope change?
My faith is my shield! - Turalyon 2022
Your legend ends here and now! - (Battles Won Long Ago)
You got to give the dude credit for replying on the post.
However- It think he is doing "damage-control" - Because if you can be that greedy and sell ship after F-ing ship all the time - and keep editing and adding things to the road map- or as a forum dweller once said: They are making roadmaps for roadmaps. It is really hard to belvie anything that comes out of his mouth.
I really hope that I am wrong- really do. But this is pure damage control and a try hard approach to be "transparent"
When being transparent because one single question is the most requested one by backers become 'damage control', we know why answering more than once every year is way enough. Whatever he say, will be turned against him by those who claim scam or ponzi even if those two words have zero meaning.
The guys explain with details why things are done... not enough. Most naysayers don't care at all. They just want a date. Even 2016 with 1/5 rd of contents would have been okay for them. Date is everything.
I totally understand why Publishers don't care about gamer community at large. Why make some effort to be creative while you can just re-skinned the same game over two decades...
Fortunately, CIG support is not driven by 10's guys on internet comment section
I think that is the problem, every year he had to answer the same question, its been 10 years he had to answers the same question and he don't know the answer (well we do but let it sink like this)
For many it is also a heavily delayed, overpriced, clumsily put together, tiny slice of actual gameplay, piece of tech demo not even fitting of the term Alpha.
Perhaps we shouldn't be talking in nonsensical extremes.
And that's perfectly fine as no game is or will ever be for everyone and like all products it will always be the people who enjoy them that matter.
The point being, most games have a cutoff development time or a dead drop time. There is no such thing here.
Look at New World from Amazon. It seems they expect to have it out next year and are working towards that. You cannot have the 'big picture' person being the person who holds the companies feet to the fire, it just doesn't work.
This is the issue here...
CR seems to be 'DUG' from 'UP!'. His focus is lost on the next 'OOH WOW' thing and the next and the next. That is not a way to finish a game.
“I can promise you the gameplay I described is not a pipe dream, nor will it take 10 to 20 years to deliver.”
To that title?
Creative "Journalism" is a thing we get it but misrepresenting quotes for clickbait is kind low.
Not only that, but it's also out of context.
When Roberts says "the gameplay I described", he doesn't means "the game", he's talking about the "Atmospheric Room System" and how complex it is, as he has written an answer about this system in the same thread before (because it is the threat topic!).
Camural then answers Roberts that "What you, Chris, describe in your comment (about the Atmospheric Room System) would take at the very least take another 10-20 years."
So, Roberts answers directly to Camural with
“I can promise you the gameplay I described (about the Atmospheric Room System) is not a pipe dream, nor will it take 10 to 20 years to deliver.”
So bad journalism (second yellow card for mmorpg.com in less than a month), clickbait, and food for the haters.
I've watched so many Joe Blobers come and go over the last decade already, and fyi jb you're forgetting to throw in that it's only $45 (for nothing) in every post.
On one side you have the joe blober's (dreamers) and the other, realists.
The problem is no side will ever be able to claim "victory" (for lack of a better word atm)
Meaning cig will never come out and give people the truth for a couple of reasons, one being simple, would you if people were still giving you cash for nothing? ofc not
and second look what happened to Chronicles of Elysia when he tried to do the my bad couldn't do it thx for the 8 mil and ride off into the sunset leaving the joe blober's with their dreams of a better life shattered.
Well apparently they get f'ing very angry and want vengeance, so again ofc not, it's just better to let peeps ride an few broken demo's, make some new high rez pics, and continue to sell dreamers concept ships to the unsuspecting, or what the f ever they sell, basically whatever people will fall for.
My faith is my shield! - Turalyon 2022
Your legend ends here and now! - (Battles Won Long Ago)
“I can promise you the gameplay I described is not a pipe dream, nor will it take 10 to 20 years to deliver.”
To that title?
Creative "Journalism" is a thing we get it but misrepresenting quotes for clickbait is kind low.
Not only that, but it's also out of context.
When Roberts says "the gameplay I described", he doesn't means "the game", he's talking about the "Atmospheric Room System" and how complex it is, as he has written an answer about this system in the same thread before (because it is the threat topic!).
Camural then answers Roberts that "What you, Chris, describe in your comment (about the Atmospheric Room System) would take at the very least take another 10-20 years."
So, Roberts answers directly to Camural with
“I can promise you the gameplay I described (about the Atmospheric Room System) is not a pipe dream, nor will it take 10 to 20 years to deliver.”
So bad journalism (second yellow card for mmorpg.com in less than a month), clickbait, and food for the haters.
So we can expect the Atmospheric Room System within ten years. Hell yeah! Once the Atmospheric Room System is finished within ten years, the real development can finally begin!
“I can promise you the gameplay I described is not a pipe dream, nor will it take 10 to 20 years to deliver.”
To that title?
Creative "Journalism" is a thing we get it but misrepresenting quotes for clickbait is kind low.
Not only that, but it's also out of context.
When Roberts says "the gameplay I described", he doesn't means "the game", he's talking about the "Atmospheric Room System" and how complex it is, as he has written an answer about this system in the same thread before (because it is the threat topic!).
Camural then answers Roberts that "What you, Chris, describe in your comment (about the Atmospheric Room System) would take at the very least take another 10-20 years."
So, Roberts answers directly to Camural with
“I can promise you the gameplay I described (about the Atmospheric Room System) is not a pipe dream, nor will it take 10 to 20 years to deliver.”
So bad journalism (second yellow card for mmorpg.com in less than a month), clickbait, and food for the haters.
So we can expect the Atmospheric Room System within ten years. Hell yeah! Once the Atmospheric Room System is finished within ten years, the real development can finally begin!
Oh thank GAWD!
My faith is my shield! - Turalyon 2022
Your legend ends here and now! - (Battles Won Long Ago)
I remember when FFXIV relaunched Yoshi stated that they would absolutely have guild and private residences separate and that the cost of private housing would be significantly less.
That turned to ash real fast and I loved that people kept that quote in their forum signatures for years. I am wondering if we all should grab Chris' quote now just in case 3 years from now we are still waiting on the 'next' road map.
“I can promise you the gameplay I described is not a pipe dream, nor will it take 10 to 20 years to deliver.”
To that title?
Creative "Journalism" is a thing we get it but misrepresenting quotes for clickbait is kind low.
Not only that, but it's also out of context.
When Roberts says "the gameplay I described", he doesn't means "the game", he's talking about the "Atmospheric Room System" and how complex it is, as he has written an answer about this system in the same thread before (because it is the threat topic!).
Camural then answers Roberts that "What you, Chris, describe in your comment (about the Atmospheric Room System) would take at the very least take another 10-20 years."
So, Roberts answers directly to Camural with
“I can promise you the gameplay I described (about the Atmospheric Room System) is not a pipe dream, nor will it take 10 to 20 years to deliver.”
So bad journalism (second yellow card for mmorpg.com in less than a month), clickbait, and food for the haters.
Yeap. But haters, cynics and most disgruntled gamers are easy manipulated into the "hurr dur drama" because they want to be angry. Only reading the clickbait headlines and not the articles in full. So by ignoring crucial information it enables a circle jerk of recurrent hive mind of ignorance ad nauseum.
You point that out you're automatically a shill or whiteknight.
The problem making the game of your dreams and not compromising anything that pops up in your mind is you end up with a never ending development cycle as we see here. You can end up with so many distractions that your main goal gets warped or completely blocked. Ive said for a long time i always hoped this game gets released but the constant distractions of new ideas, new goals, new ships to sell dilute what could have been out now.
Im curious if they actually released the game, sold it at a normal price, continued to add more to the game with regular updates AND sold there premium ships if they would have made more money by now. OR if they would be more developed than they are now.
Ok, it won't take another 10-20 years. How long will it take?
When is the scheduled release of a product?
Do you have a release goal target?
Release goal targets mean nothing coming from that team.
It's actually kind of crazy to me how much people put into this game just to have them never release solid dates on anything.
I originally had thought the backers money would run out before the game gets released, but honestly I think people want to see it so bad they are willing to keep giving more and more. Out of all of the backers I know personally in real life (like 8 or 9 people), I don't think anyone has put in less than 200$ and a lot of those people have put in well over 1k$ which to me sounds absolutely insane. I was mad I put 40 dollars into Shroud of the Avatar.
Comments
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
A game called, Spot the Delusional White Knight.
Star Citizen will, hopefully, never be "complete" in the sense that it will always be updated and improoved along the years.
And since It is already, for many gamers, the best space sim experience available in the market. What you should be asking is how long it will take other studios with more experience money and manpower to catch up.
Perhaps we shouldn't be talking in nonsensical extremes.
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
When is the scheduled release of a product?
Do you have a release goal target?
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2024: 47 years on the Net.
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
When is the next scope change?
I think that is the problem, every year he had to answer the same question, its been 10 years he had to answers the same question and he don't know the answer (well we do but let it sink like this)
Nah
Look at New World from Amazon. It seems they expect to have it out next year and are working towards that. You cannot have the 'big picture' person being the person who holds the companies feet to the fire, it just doesn't work.
This is the issue here...
CR seems to be 'DUG' from 'UP!'. His focus is lost on the next 'OOH WOW' thing and the next and the next. That is not a way to finish a game.
Not only that, but it's also out of context.
When Roberts says "the gameplay I described", he doesn't means "the game", he's talking about the "Atmospheric Room System" and how complex it is, as he has written an answer about this system in the same thread before (because it is the threat topic!).
Camural then answers Roberts that "What you, Chris, describe in your comment (about the Atmospheric Room System) would take at the very least take another 10-20 years."
So, Roberts answers directly to Camural with “I can promise you the gameplay I described (about the Atmospheric Room System) is not a pipe dream, nor will it take 10 to 20 years to deliver.”
So bad journalism (second yellow card for mmorpg.com in less than a month), clickbait, and food for the haters.
Oh thank GAWD!
That turned to ash real fast and I loved that people kept that quote in their forum signatures for years. I am wondering if we all should grab Chris' quote now just in case 3 years from now we are still waiting on the 'next' road map.
You point that out you're automatically a shill or whiteknight.
Im curious if they actually released the game, sold it at a normal price, continued to add more to the game with regular updates AND sold there premium ships if they would have made more money by now. OR if they would be more developed than they are now.
Will it live up to the hype... Nope.
Will it be a decent space sim... Sure.
Does it have a fan-base just a hair shy of being more... .. . Tenacious... than Tesla... Yes, yes it does.
Will it go down in history as to the merit of publishers... Textbook case.
Do people have fun with the game... Sure seems so.
This have been a good conversation
It's actually kind of crazy to me how much people put into this game just to have them never release solid dates on anything.
I originally had thought the backers money would run out before the game gets released, but honestly I think people want to see it so bad they are willing to keep giving more and more. Out of all of the backers I know personally in real life (like 8 or 9 people), I don't think anyone has put in less than 200$ and a lot of those people have put in well over 1k$ which to me sounds absolutely insane. I was mad I put 40 dollars into Shroud of the Avatar.