Probably should have this sort of review done by folks over 30 or so....
Gonna be honest, I would rather see the old games reviewed by Gen Z players, as they will shape the games of the future.
I don't need to know the opinion of some ADHD addled Gen Z who forgets what he was going to do 2 minutes after turning the game on. I can look at mobile games to see exactly where their head is at.
This kind of negative jaded view the new generation of gamers, is exactly why I would like to see what they have to say, what makes them tick, and what would get them into a genera I enjoy, which would keep it current, active, and profitable, as opposed to listening to some grumpy old timer that is living in yesteryear.
Get off my lawn!
*Also, it's genre, not genera.
Right.. My bad.. Genre.
and the only reason your lawn looks so good is because my dog shits on it.
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Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
Lol, guy goes into an old game as a newb and gets jumped on because he should have picked “arbitrary class X,” then should have played an “arbitrary X amount” of hours and also should have looked at it through “arbitrary time appropriate” glasses. Give him a break, his opinion is his opinion based on what he did, not on what some wanted him to do.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
You can't go into an old game and expect it to be designed around game play and ideas that new games had.
As far as "arbitrary hours/classes" that's "whatever."
The thing is I'm sure certain classes can "solo" better and blah blah blah. As far as hours, as long as one is aligned with what the game is doing then it shouldn't take long to know if you like it.
But one certainly can't expect an old game to play like a new game. It's just not designed that way.
These old games were about guilds and grouping and in this case, banding together against your enemies with your own "side."
an opinion means nothing if it's misplaced. I don't watch a rom-com and express my opinion that it doesn't have enough action.
I don't watch an action movie and lament character development.
If your opinion is that sand isn't wet enough I'm just going to shake my head.
I can't really agree with this tbh. I have no problem comparing Dickens to modern day writers, I have no problem comparing van Gogh to modern day painters, I have no problem comparing Chaplins work to modern day movies, why should I have a problem comparing older games to newer ones? I realise that only works when you look at a piece of work in isolation and not at the context (who were they influenced by, what did it mean for the genre etc).
I don't think older automatically means "worse" too. According to many here the old days were the best so looking at these older games through a new lens can only do them a favour right?
/Cheers, Lahnmir
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Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
Honestly, I find this article kind of pathetic. Let us compare a game that's about 20 years old with games out today. So easy to talk trash, so little effort actually put in trying to know the game. No where in this article do you go into the nuances of the RvR system, probably because you gave up before you even got there. Or when you did you just got rolled because of your lack of experience. Did you even build out a full template for a character? Let us be honest, you leveled up a CLERIC. Like, is that what you are basing your experience off of? lmfao you got to be joking me. The most boring class in the game. All that aside though, this game came out ages ago and helped pave the way for many games like WoW and the rest. Have some respect for what Mythic accomplished back in 2001. You can rank it however you want, I'm not going to argue that; the game is old and void of a player base. This article is based on your opinion, and that's fine. Let's be frank though, and acknowledge the fact you put very little effort into actually knowing the game and wrote a lazy article about it. If you have friends to play with, this game still holds a lot of fun in RvR; which is quite still active, both in Phoenix, and the live servers.
To be fair, he didn't level a Cleric, he leveled a Healer. However, the fact that he kept referring to it as a Cleric is really good evidence of how little effort went into this review.
It's also bizarre to me that he spent so much time complaining that you couldn't play any class for any realm. That's a feature of this game, not a problem. It helps create the feeling of truly distinct realms, which is something very absent from games today.
Actually on Gaheris you can play on whatever side and whatever class you want as there is no restriction since it is the PvE server. I had several characters scattered over every realm on one account.
Honestly, I find this article kind of pathetic. Let us compare a game that's about 20 years old with games out today. So easy to talk trash, so little effort actually put in trying to know the game. No where in this article do you go into the nuances of the RvR system, probably because you gave up before you even got there. Or when you did you just got rolled because of your lack of experience. Did you even build out a full template for a character? Let us be honest, you leveled up a CLERIC. Like, is that what you are basing your experience off of? lmfao you got to be joking me. The most boring class in the game. All that aside though, this game came out ages ago and helped pave the way for many games like WoW and the rest. Have some respect for what Mythic accomplished back in 2001. You can rank it however you want, I'm not going to argue that; the game is old and void of a player base. This article is based on your opinion, and that's fine. Let's be frank though, and acknowledge the fact you put very little effort into actually knowing the game and wrote a lazy article about it. If you have friends to play with, this game still holds a lot of fun in RvR; which is quite still active, both in Phoenix, and the live servers.
To be fair, he didn't level a Cleric, he leveled a Healer. However, the fact that he kept referring to it as a Cleric is really good evidence of how little effort went into this review.
It's also bizarre to me that he spent so much time complaining that you couldn't play any class for any realm. That's a feature of this game, not a problem. It helps create the feeling of truly distinct realms, which is something very absent from games today.
We quickly forget that in order to be unique, the other guy is also unique and therefore different. It's entirely too easy to imagine these differences as detrimental to ourselves. 'The other guy has an advantage!' Heard that then; hear it now. That's just human nature.
The DAOC design team did wonders with accepting (and embracing) the differences. There was a fine balance, different enough to appear different, but not otherworldly different. That some are unable to see that (both then and now) is the really telling part. No matter what generation they are from.
Logic, my dear, merely enables one to be wrong with great authority.
Actually on Gaheris you can play on whatever side and whatever class you want as there is no restriction since it is the PvE server. I had several characters scattered over every realm on one account.
My best years in DAOC were on Mordred, the FFA RVR server which I played for the additional challenge of leveling characters in all three realms in any zone I wished, despite the fact I'm mostly a carebear at heart.
I enjoyed being part of a single guild or clan alone and against the world. Guilds would take a particular keep, claiming it for their own, defending it relentlessly, fighting endlessly to regain if lost, was almost a completely different game experience from the normal (blue) servers.
I played on several classic freeshards for many years which while fun to a point never recaptured the "magic" of Mordred.
Shout-out to any former Shadowclan members, those were the days my fellow Kobos.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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Lol, guy goes into an old game as a newb and gets jumped on because he should have picked “arbitrary class X,” then should have played an “arbitrary X amount” of hours and also should have looked at it through “arbitrary time appropriate” glasses. Give him a break, his opinion is his opinion based on what he did, not on what some wanted him to do.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
You can't go into an old game and expect it to be designed around game play and ideas that new games had.
As far as "arbitrary hours/classes" that's "whatever."
The thing is I'm sure certain classes can "solo" better and blah blah blah. As far as hours, as long as one is aligned with what the game is doing then it shouldn't take long to know if you like it.
But one certainly can't expect an old game to play like a new game. It's just not designed that way.
These old games were about guilds and grouping and in this case, banding together against your enemies with your own "side."
an opinion means nothing if it's misplaced. I don't watch a rom-com and express my opinion that it doesn't have enough action.
I don't watch an action movie and lament character development.
If your opinion is that sand isn't wet enough I'm just going to shake my head.
I can't really agree with this tbh. I have no problem comparing Dickens to modern day writers, I have no problem comparing van Gogh to modern day painters, I have no problem comparing Chaplins work to modern day movies, why should I have a problem comparing older games to newer ones? I realise that only works when you look at a piece of work in isolation and not at the context (who were they influenced by, what did it mean for the genre etc).
I don't think older automatically means "worse" too. According to many here the old days were the best so looking at these older games through a new lens can only do them a favour right?
/Cheers, Lahnmir
I tend to agree with you. In fact, games like DDO, made in 2006, is a far more in-depth and intuitive game than anything I have seen recently on the market.
It's based off the best rule system to ever exist (D&D 3.x rules) which helps it a lot, but it also applies those rule as they worked in D&D setting. Which is why it is such a great game in and of it's own right.
I stand by the belief that if it got a graphics upgrade to be on par to say, something like BDO, it would be a true contender to any of the modern games on the market.
So, the idea that because something is old, is not an excuse to say it is inferior.
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
Since you couldn't be a dwarf cleric being that cleric is an Albion only class I assume you were healer, the Midguard healer had no offensive anything. You can't swap between ranged and melee weapons ... the combat mechanics are something of beauty . you don't rely on auto attacks and timed abilities. melee attacks are reactionary or positional, spells are just spells and you cast them as fast as your dexterity allows, when broadsword took over they didn't even understand the coding behind it. I don't think you even put 10 hours into this game.
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and the only reason your lawn looks so good is because my dog shits on it.
I don't think older automatically means "worse" too. According to many here the old days were the best so looking at these older games through a new lens can only do them a favour right?
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
To be fair, he didn't level a Cleric, he leveled a Healer. However, the fact that he kept referring to it as a Cleric is really good evidence of how little effort went into this review.
It's also bizarre to me that he spent so much time complaining that you couldn't play any class for any realm. That's a feature of this game, not a problem. It helps create the feeling of truly distinct realms, which is something very absent from games today.
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Logic, my dear, merely enables one to be wrong with great authority.
I enjoyed being part of a single guild or clan alone and against the world. Guilds would take a particular keep, claiming it for their own, defending it relentlessly, fighting endlessly to regain if lost, was almost a completely different game experience from the normal (blue) servers.
I played on several classic freeshards for many years which while fun to a point never recaptured the "magic" of Mordred.
Shout-out to any former Shadowclan members, those were the days my fellow Kobos.
See you all in the New Year.
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Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
It's based off the best rule system to ever exist (D&D 3.x rules) which helps it a lot, but it also applies those rule as they worked in D&D setting. Which is why it is such a great game in and of it's own right.
I stand by the belief that if it got a graphics upgrade to be on par to say, something like BDO, it would be a true contender to any of the modern games on the market.
So, the idea that because something is old, is not an excuse to say it is inferior.