Debunking 5 Myths about Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen

achesoma

Bazgrim does another great video on Pantheon: RotF and brings receipts. I'm glad he did this as I still see a lot of these misconceptions about Pantheon on various sites, including the official forums. It's only 18 minutes and Baz is very thorough as usual.

Kyleran

Still waiting for someone to summarize the 5 points in text form, 18 minutes is about 10 minutes too long for me.

Raised on MTV and reading, if it's longer than a music video it's too much.

lahnmir

Kyleran said:

Still waiting for someone to summarize the 5 points in text form, 18 minutes is about 10 minutes too long for me.

Raised on MTV and reading, if it's longer than a music video it's too much.

Written word or song

If its longer than Haiku
Then it is too long

/Cheers,
Lahnmir

Scot

Kyleran said:

Still waiting for someone to summarize the 5 points in text form, 18 minutes is about 10 minutes too long for me.

Raised on MTV and reading, if it's longer than a music video it's too much.

"Raised on MTV and reading", nearly laughed out loud. Considering how quickly we read why do people watch a video of someone talking?

Lahnmir, as I am in Grammar Nazi mode today should that "then Haiku" not be "than Haiku"? Superb poetry btw.

lahnmir

Scot said:

Kyleran said:

Still waiting for someone to summarize the 5 points in text form, 18 minutes is about 10 minutes too long for me.

Raised on MTV and reading, if it's longer than a music video it's too much.

"Raised on MTV and reading", nearly laughed out loud. Considering how quickly we read why do people watch a video of someone talking?

Lahnmir, as I am in Grammar Nazi mode today should that "then Haiku" not be "than Haiku"? Superb poetry btw.

You are absolutely right, corrected. Was in a hurry to write it down, afraid I would forget it.

/Cheers,
Lahnmir

Mendel

Kyleran said:

Still waiting for someone to summarize the 5 points in text form, 18 minutes is about 10 minutes too long for me.

Raised on MTV and reading, if it's longer than a music video it's too much.

Plus, it's Bazgrim.  He puts me to sleep.

achesoma

Kyleran said:

Still waiting for someone to summarize the 5 points in text form, 18 minutes is about 10 minutes too long for me.

Raised on MTV and reading, if it's longer than a music video it's too much.

Michael Jackson’s “Bad” was 18 minutes long. His videos were basically short movies. 

delete5230

Kyleran said:

Still waiting for someone to summarize the 5 points in text form, 18 minutes is about 10 minutes too long for me.

Raised on MTV and reading, if it's longer than a music video it's too much.

Same here, way too long for me. 
It's like seeing a disregarded briefcase in an airport. 

DONT OPEN IT !!!!!...... TELL SOMEONE INSTEAD. 

Wizardry

1 PVP,i couldn't care less about pvp information and NO ,Joppa is not correct,pvp is not embedded into pve roots.Pretty much guaranteed to not be there on release anyhow.

2 No he wasn't thorough because he talks about investment but doesn't tell us who the Angel investor/s are to set aside any notions of changing the game or possibly turning it into a heavy cash shop game.Baz got one point right,the devs wouldn't tell us even if they did sellout to investors after claiming they have been turned down full funding but those offers meant changing the game core values.

3 forced grouping:There has only been ONE game to pull that off and still solo and that is FFXI.I VERY highly doubt they can pull off a grouping challenge and still allow that content to be solo without getting into garbage scaling crap.It worked in FFXI because of the subclass design as well as very useful abilities.It works to near perfection NOW because of the TRUSTS added to the game.

4 Just another EQ clone:They may try hard to debunk that but imo the basic core of the game very much looks like an EQ clone.
I still see a lot of the group action within a DUNGEON,i can't stand MMO 's that remove the mmo world and stick people into an instance dungeon.Even worse is something i remember from one episode was mention of it won't be instanced as you can see each other but will still ACT like an instance.

My own point "lol" that climbing looks unrealistic fake as shit.It is just a climbing animation that goes off no matter where the character is in the animation like climbing in thin air sort of look.

Nanfoodle

Kyleran said:

Still waiting for someone to summarize the 5 points in text form, 18 minutes is about 10 minutes too long for me.

Raised on MTV and reading, if it's longer than a music video it's too much.

Its nothing new in the video. For people following the game, its all known. He does give good bits answering most questions with dev posts and interview clips. Im still not sure how some of these misconceptions have been going on since the start. SIlly things, like Pantheon being a EQ1 clone. 

achesoma

Nanfoodle said:

Kyleran said:

Still waiting for someone to summarize the 5 points in text form, 18 minutes is about 10 minutes too long for me.

Raised on MTV and reading, if it's longer than a music video it's too much.

Its nothing new in the video. For people following the game, its all known. He does give good bits answering most questions with dev posts and interview clips. Im still not sure how some of these misconceptions have been going on since the start. SIlly things, like Pantheon being a EQ1 clone. 

Correct, it is nothing new. However, even people following the game continue to spread misinformation. 

Wizardry

I want to talk a bit more on the notion of an EQ clone.
They mentioned they NEVER planned on doing a reskin of EQ,ok fine ,tal kis cheap ,maybe it is true.
They do however also mention that they simply went for ideas from the past games that seem to work the best for the genre.Welll these are EQ fanbois so geesh i wonder if they think those ideas are good or not?
My personal take and i have stated it before is that FFXI surpassed nearly everything EQ did.EQ was great for it's time,was the best there was for about 4 years and imo improved with EQ2 albeit EQ2 was basically a changing of the guard design alongside Wow which is a clone of EQ2.

Anyhow back on track,not only do i feel FFXI surpassed EQ by a lot,i don't even like most of of EQ's design anymore.The ONLY thing i still prefer is the grouping and camping for XP.
On that note,i NEVER want to see xp which stands for EXPERIENCE ever  handed out from quests.I don't want to ever see markers over a crow's head either cough...ahem Valheim.

Joppa i think was stated in the one excerpt that they/Brad ALL of them wanted a world that feels like a realistic world and to that ,you got me onboard with that statement.

Nanfoodle

achesoma said:

Nanfoodle said:

Kyleran said:

Still waiting for someone to summarize the 5 points in text form, 18 minutes is about 10 minutes too long for me.

Raised on MTV and reading, if it's longer than a music video it's too much.

Its nothing new in the video. For people following the game, its all known. He does give good bits answering most questions with dev posts and interview clips. Im still not sure how some of these misconceptions have been going on since the start. SIlly things, like Pantheon being a EQ1 clone. 

Correct, it is nothing new. However, even people following the game continue to spread misinformation. 

Its a challenge to keep up with all the information on any MMO, let alone one that has so many spokesmen. Also, people hear words like "spiritual successor" of EQ and everyone paints their own pictures as to what that means. Many backing Pantheon because of that kind of speak. I wish game development would use more pointed comments over broad brush strokes with their words. 

delete5230

The shiny ring lost it's luster and turned to coal.

Only release could cause hype after the shiny is gone.

Nanfoodle

delete5230 said:

The shiny ring lost it's luster and turned to coal.

Only release could cause hype after the shiny is gone.

I dont know, there has been more positive movement over the past 6 months on this game, then I have seen in the past. Some of their new staff and new tools has really changed how this project is being done. Looks like Alpha 1 could be this year as stated by the CO or VR. Im holding judgment till I see what they do this year. 

Utinni

What's the TLDR tho

Nanfoodle

Utinni said:

What's the TLDR tho

TLDR? As in Too long didnt read?

Quizzical

Kyleran said:

Still waiting for someone to summarize the 5 points in text form, 18 minutes is about 10 minutes too long for me.

Raised on MTV and reading, if it's longer than a music video it's too much.

An 18 minute video is about 18 minutes too long for me.  If you have something to say, then say it.  Don't just give a link to a video that takes 18 minutes to find out that it probably doesn't have anything interesting to say.

Text is okay because it's searchable.  You can scroll through it and see headings pretty quickly, so can have some idea of what is there within seconds.  You can't do that with videos.

Nanfoodle

Quizzical said:

Kyleran said:

Still waiting for someone to summarize the 5 points in text form, 18 minutes is about 10 minutes too long for me.

Raised on MTV and reading, if it's longer than a music video it's too much.

An 18 minute video is about 18 minutes too long for me.  If you have something to say, then say it.  Don't just give a link to a video that takes 18 minutes to find out that it probably doesn't have anything interesting to say.

Text is okay because it's searchable.  You can scroll through it and see headings pretty quickly, so can have some idea of what is there within seconds.  You can't do that with videos.

This attack on videos is a bad stance. We get text based into every month. Not everyone learns from text as well as they do from pictures and spoken word. Myself I am very dyslexic. I work hard to keep well read but media helps. I say chill on the attacks on people working hard to keep people informed. If you watch the video its clear not everyone is reading the info the devs are putting out.  

delete5230

Nanfoodle said:

delete5230 said:

The shiny ring lost it's luster and turned to coal.

Only release could cause hype after the shiny is gone.

I dont know, there has been more positive movement over the past 6 months on this game, then I have seen in the past. Some of their new staff and new tools has really changed how this project is being done. Looks like Alpha 1 could be this year as stated by the CO or VR. Im holding judgment till I see what they do this year. 

Or one of the developers wife's is on his case to get new appliances for there Kitchen.
So he goes on the website to draw up some more revenue by adding more fluff. 



Sorry, couldn't resist.... It's my style   

 

Iselin

I'd be much more likely to watch the video if I knew ahead of time which specific 5 myths he's debunking. 

Here, I'll get you started:

1
2
3
4
5

Utinni

TLDR : 5 myths

PvP game

Is fully funded (a myth started by the content creator himself)

Investors are in charge of design (no evidence either way)

Game is group only

Pantheon is EQ with better graphics

I think this entire video is just a rebuttal to @wizardry posts on any game in the past decade.

Nanfoodle

Iselin said:

I'd be much more likely to watch the video if I knew ahead of time which specific 5 myths he's debunking. 

Here, I'll get you started:

1
2
3
4
5

If you goto the video info, its common for youtubers to put a timeline in the information. You can use them to jump to the info you want or skip ahead when you dont care. Look for what I posted below, then go look for that in the "SHOW MORE" under the video. 

0:00​ - Intro
1:43​ - Myth #5
4:22​ - Myth #4
6:55​ - Myth #3
9:43​ - Myth #2
11:19​ - Myth #1
17:47​ - Outro

delete5230

Iselin said:

I'd be much more likely to watch the video if I knew ahead of time which specific 5 myths he's debunking. 

Here, I'll get you started:

1
2
3
4
5

I'll bite:

1  the game will release soon.
2 the game will be bug free
3 the game will not have a cash shop
4 forgot !
5 forgot !

Iselin

Nanfoodle said:

Iselin said:

I'd be much more likely to watch the video if I knew ahead of time which specific 5 myths he's debunking. 

Here, I'll get you started:

1
2
3
4
5

If you goto the video info, its common for youtubers to put a timeline in the information. You can use them to jump to the info you want or skip ahead when you dont care. Look for what I posted below, then go look for that in the "SHOW MORE" under the video. 

0:00​ - Intro
1:43​ - Myth #5
4:22​ - Myth #4
6:55​ - Myth #3
9:43​ - Myth #2
11:19​ - Myth #1
17:47​ - Outro

Wow. He actually calls them myth 5, myth 4, etc, without actually naming them... lol. It's all so very mysterious "watch my video to find out!" Can you say clickbait?

Kyleran

Utinni said:

TLDR : 5 myths

PvP game

Is fully funded (a myth started by the content creator himself)

Investors are in charge of design (no evidence either way)

Game is group only

Pantheon is EQ with better graphics

I think this entire video is just a rebuttal to @wizardry posts on any game in the past decade.

See, that was much better, thanks so much for sharing.

I already don't believe any of those myths so 18 minutes of my life saved from being wasted.