AMD announces Radeon RX 6700 XT, coming March 18 for $480

Quizzical

It's only 2560 shaders, which is half of the 5120 for the top end Radeon RX 6900 XT.  But it is clocked a lot higher and has 3/4 of the memory bandwidth (384 GB/sec), memory capacity (12 GB), and Infinity cache (96 MB), and just over 3/4 of the TDP (230 W).

Which of course means that the Ethereum miners are going to buy them all.

Ridelynn

All 12 of them.

AMDs GPU production has been... lackluster.

Quizzical

AMD's GPU production will probably ramp up to something respectable before the Ethereum mining locusts stop devouring everything.  Right now, if AMD were to use their wafer allocation at TSMC to produce huge amounts of GPUs, the Ethereum miners would just buy them all and gamers wouldn't be able to get GPUs or CPUs.  By producing massive numbers of CPUs and a lot of console chips instead, they've gotten some hardware into the hands of actual gamers.  Gamers who want a GPU can still fight with the miners over Nvidia GPUs.

Ridelynn

That was more a dig at Frank Azor than anything requiring some explanation...

Gorwe

500$? For upper middle class? What is this unfunny joke with gfx card costs?

Forgrimm

Jean-Luc_Picard said:

Gorwe said:

500$? For upper middle class? What is this unfunny joke with gfx card costs?

Let's see if it performs as well as a RTX 2070 super then, which costed that price one year ago...

AMD's cherry-picked benchmarks, using the SAM performance boost, show it trading blows with the 3070, even beating it in some games. But the real benchmarks will be out when the review embargo is lifted on the 17th.

Edit: Also adding that there will probably only be 1 or 2 versions actually selling at the $479 MSRP. The AIB versions will mostly be in the $500 - $600+ price range.

Ridelynn

Jean-Luc_Picard said:

Gorwe said:

500$? For upper middle class? What is this unfunny joke with gfx card costs?

Let's see if it performs as well as a RTX 2070 super then, which costed that price one year ago...

I don't know if you can compare any price today to what they were a year ago. I'm seeing GTX 1660s and RX 5600s go for over $500 right now...

Quizzical

Gorwe said:

500$? For upper middle class? What is this unfunny joke with gfx card costs?

This is basically the successor to the Radeon RX 5700 XT, which was AMD's top consumer GPU half a year ago.

Gorwe

Quizzical said:

Gorwe said:

500$? For upper middle class? What is this unfunny joke with gfx card costs?

This is basically the successor to the Radeon RX 5700 XT, which was AMD's top consumer GPU half a year ago.

Damn, can't they use proper nomenclature? To me x700 XT is simply an OCd version of an x700 series card and the number 7 is approx upper middle end(8 is lower high end and 9 is the high end). What's wrong with that nomenclature, why change a thing that works?

Quizzical

Gorwe said:

Quizzical said:

Gorwe said:

500$? For upper middle class? What is this unfunny joke with gfx card costs?

This is basically the successor to the Radeon RX 5700 XT, which was AMD's top consumer GPU half a year ago.

Damn, can't they use proper nomenclature? To me x700 XT is simply an OCd version of an x700 series card and the number 7 is approx upper middle end(8 is lower high end and 9 is the high end). What's wrong with that nomenclature, why change a thing that works?

If you want a naming scheme that makes sense, Sony will sell you a PlayStation.

If anything, this is less bad naming than some recent AMD GPUs.  Quick, which is faster:  a Radeon RX 590, a Radeon RX Vega 64, or a Radeon VII?

Ridelynn

My favorite is when the same GPU has 4 different names. GT520 => GT 610 => GT 705 => GT 705A

Gorwe

Quizzical said:

Gorwe said:

Quizzical said:

Gorwe said:

500$? For upper middle class? What is this unfunny joke with gfx card costs?

This is basically the successor to the Radeon RX 5700 XT, which was AMD's top consumer GPU half a year ago.

Damn, can't they use proper nomenclature? To me x700 XT is simply an OCd version of an x700 series card and the number 7 is approx upper middle end(8 is lower high end and 9 is the high end). What's wrong with that nomenclature, why change a thing that works?

If you want a naming scheme that makes sense, Sony will sell you a PlayStation.

If anything, this is less bad naming than some recent AMD GPUs.  Quick, which is faster:  a Radeon RX 590, a Radeon RX Vega 64, or a Radeon VII?

Not fair because I know that(7 is the answer iirc), but I get your point. I really wish that there was a clear naming structure. It used to exist, you could easily tell the difference between 4870, 4770 and 4890(not to mention Toxic aka SuperOC version and Atomic aka OC+water cooling). Those were the days.

But the more easily the consumers are confused, the more easily they will pay more(purchase the most expensive product)...at least that's what they think. Does it really work?

Ridelynn

Gorwe said:

Not fair because I know that(7 is the answer iirc), but I get your point. I really wish that there was a clear naming structure. It used to exist, you could easily tell the difference between 4870, 4770 and 4890(not to mention Toxic aka SuperOC version and Atomic aka OC+water cooling). Those were the days.

But the more easily the consumers are confused, the more easily they will pay more(purchase the most expensive product)...at least that's what they think. Does it really work?

Well, so far this generation the naming scheme has been

6900 XT
6800 XT
6800
6700 XT

So... it sounds like you are getting your wish? The fact that they may cost more than you like is a different problem than naming conventions.

cheyane

I wish this whole bit coin and etherium and whatever other cryptocurrency all just crash and burn.



Edited for spelling

Quizzical

cheyane said:

I wish this whole bit coin and etherium and whatever other crptocurrency all just crash and burn.

It will.  If something can't go on forever, then it won't.  The only question is how long it will take and who will lose how much money over it.

It's plausible that cryptocurrencies will be widely used in the future.  But if that happens, it's almost certainly going to be cryptocurrencies issued by governments, for the same reason as for traditional paper currencies.  Mined cryptocurrencies have no future.

Even if you wrongly believe that mined cryptocurrencies do have a future, then it will surely be one or a few such currencies that dominate while all others vanish.  Bitcoin has no chance of becoming that dominant cryptocurrency because it is unusable as an actual currency.  Bitcoin can only be used for about one purchase per second worldwide.  For comparison, credit cards can handle tens of thousands of purchases per second, and with anti-fraud protections that Bitcoin can't offer.

achesoma

cheyane said:

I wish this whole bit coin and etherium and whatever other crptocurrency all just crash and burn.

Like all pyramid schemes, it will eventually come crumbling down. 

Gorwe

achesoma said:

cheyane said:

I wish this whole bit coin and etherium and whatever other crptocurrency all just crash and burn.

Like all pyramid schemes, it will eventually come crumbling down. 

I doubt it. But it's nice that Quiz made a distinction between MINED and "OFFICIAL" cryptocurrencies. It'd seem we might be onto something, given Musk's purchase of handful of bitcoins.

If they become (semi) official currency, I hope that this whole mining crap will stop. I see cryptocurrencies having potential to affect future, but mining? I don't know, I just don't know, this seems like a fad.

rojoArcueid

At this point AMD, Nvidia, Sony and MS should pull a Chris Roberts and start selling concept art of their products instead. Maybe that would be easier to restock.

Vrika

Quizzical said:

cheyane said:

I wish this whole bit coin and etherium and whatever other crptocurrency all just crash and burn.

It will.  If something can't go on forever, then it won't.  The only question is how long it will take and who will lose how much money over it.

It's plausible that cryptocurrencies will be widely used in the future.  But if that happens, it's almost certainly going to be cryptocurrencies issued by governments, for the same reason as for traditional paper currencies.  Mined cryptocurrencies have no future.

Even if you wrongly believe that mined cryptocurrencies do have a future, then it will surely be one or a few such currencies that dominate while all others vanish.  Bitcoin has no chance of becoming that dominant cryptocurrency because it is unusable as an actual currency.  Bitcoin can only be used for about one purchase per second worldwide.  For comparison, credit cards can handle tens of thousands of purchases per second, and with anti-fraud protections that Bitcoin can't offer.

I think that an unofficial cryptocurrency could survive well enough.

However I think that if nothing else crashes mined cryptocurrencies, sooner or later some government will do it by extending eco-regulation to them. At least where I live everything from houses to cars to washing machines is already subject to regulation on how eco-friendly it must be. Mined cryptocurrencies have left themselves way too open to a situation where they'd be unable to meet any eco-standards.

Ridelynn

Well, mining for crypto and buying crypto for investment are separate, albeit related, activities

Gorwe

Vrika said:

Quizzical said:

cheyane said:

I wish this whole bit coin and etherium and whatever other crptocurrency all just crash and burn.

It will.  If something can't go on forever, then it won't.  The only question is how long it will take and who will lose how much money over it.

It's plausible that cryptocurrencies will be widely used in the future.  But if that happens, it's almost certainly going to be cryptocurrencies issued by governments, for the same reason as for traditional paper currencies.  Mined cryptocurrencies have no future.

Even if you wrongly believe that mined cryptocurrencies do have a future, then it will surely be one or a few such currencies that dominate while all others vanish.  Bitcoin has no chance of becoming that dominant cryptocurrency because it is unusable as an actual currency.  Bitcoin can only be used for about one purchase per second worldwide.  For comparison, credit cards can handle tens of thousands of purchases per second, and with anti-fraud protections that Bitcoin can't offer.

I think that an unofficial cryptocurrency could survive well enough.

However I think that if nothing else crashes mined cryptocurrencies, sooner or later some government will do it by extending eco-regulation to them. At least where I live everything from houses to cars to washing machines is already subject to regulation on how eco-friendly it must be. Mined cryptocurrencies have left themselves way too open to a situation where they'd be unable to meet any eco-standards.

You can't put eco regulations on a bunch of 100110001s(that's what bitcoins are). Don't be silly.

Quizzical said:

Gorwe said:

500$? For upper middle class? What is this unfunny joke with gfx card costs?

This is basically the successor to the Radeon RX 5700 XT, which was AMD's top consumer GPU half a year ago.

What about the DLSS though? Every month that ATi delays their upscaling SuperFX(whatever its name is), nVidia digs deeper into traditionally ATi market(budget - mid range). ATi can't honestly let this wound fester any longer, it could be bad for them and if it is, it will be bad for us all(monopoly is never good, unless it's played with friends or some strip monopoly or what have you). Khm, ok. What do you think about the DLSS situation? And DLSS in general.

Oh and will Ray Tracing be just another fad like Tesselation(remember that craze and hype)?

Quizzical

Gorwe said:

Vrika said:

Quizzical said:

cheyane said:

I wish this whole bit coin and etherium and whatever other crptocurrency all just crash and burn.

It will.  If something can't go on forever, then it won't.  The only question is how long it will take and who will lose how much money over it.

It's plausible that cryptocurrencies will be widely used in the future.  But if that happens, it's almost certainly going to be cryptocurrencies issued by governments, for the same reason as for traditional paper currencies.  Mined cryptocurrencies have no future.

Even if you wrongly believe that mined cryptocurrencies do have a future, then it will surely be one or a few such currencies that dominate while all others vanish.  Bitcoin has no chance of becoming that dominant cryptocurrency because it is unusable as an actual currency.  Bitcoin can only be used for about one purchase per second worldwide.  For comparison, credit cards can handle tens of thousands of purchases per second, and with anti-fraud protections that Bitcoin can't offer.

I think that an unofficial cryptocurrency could survive well enough.

However I think that if nothing else crashes mined cryptocurrencies, sooner or later some government will do it by extending eco-regulation to them. At least where I live everything from houses to cars to washing machines is already subject to regulation on how eco-friendly it must be. Mined cryptocurrencies have left themselves way too open to a situation where they'd be unable to meet any eco-standards.

You can't put eco regulations on a bunch of 100110001s(that's what bitcoins are). Don't be silly.

Quizzical said:

Gorwe said:

500$? For upper middle class? What is this unfunny joke with gfx card costs?

This is basically the successor to the Radeon RX 5700 XT, which was AMD's top consumer GPU half a year ago.

What about the DLSS though? Every month that ATi delays their upscaling SuperFX(whatever its name is), nVidia digs deeper into traditionally ATi market(budget - mid range). ATi can't honestly let this wound fester any longer, it could be bad for them and if it is, it will be bad for us all(monopoly is never good, unless it's played with friends or some strip monopoly or what have you). Khm, ok. What do you think about the DLSS situation? And DLSS in general.

Oh and will Ray Tracing be just another fad like Tesselation(remember that craze and hype)?

I'm not sure if the first line was sarcasm, but governments can and have put regulations on the mining of bitcoins.  One town in New York that had miners overtaxing its power grid modified its electricity prices to offer one rate for most people and another, much higher rate for people who used more than some amount of power per square foot.

As for DLSS, it sounds like you missed my post about that:

https://forums.mmorpg.com/discussion/491977/the-truth-about-high-resolutions-dlss-and-variable-rate-shading

Tessellation was a good idea, but Nvidia killed it by preventing Microsoft from implementing it when it was needed.  Tessellation is fundamentally an optimization that allows models to have few vertices when far away and many vertices when up close.  Once hardware got powerful enough that all models could have many vertices all the time, you don't need tessellation anymore.  It could have made a huge difference in how games looked around 2005 or so, though.

Real-time ray tracing is still in its infancy.  It looks so much better than tessellation that of course it's going to be widely used once the hardware is ready.  The hardware being properly ready could easily be a decade away or more, however.  Or it might never come if the foundry advances come to a halt.

What we have today for ray tracing games is kind of like what Star Fox, Virtua Racing, and Donkey Kong Country were for rasterization.  It demonstrates some use of the technique, but it's nowhere near what games wanted to do--or what they actually do today.

Ridelynn

There are enforced efficiency standards for refrigerators, light bulbs, hot water heaters, vehicles, etc ... computers haven’t come under the US Federal radar, but mostly because they have been doing well at self-regulating their efficiency as an industry, with better power management and 80 PLUS certifications.

But yeah, if non-commercial scale mining keeps up, you can bet standard will be around the corner. I think if it goes commercial scale, as Bitcoin more or less has, there they will chase efficiency well enough on their own as it’s one of, if not the, largest factor in profitability. But idiots in a college dorm who think their power is free, or the dude who sneaks an extension cord over to their neighbors garage, or the guy with the mining rig in the trunk of a Tesla running it from free charging stations ... yeah.

Gorwe

Quizzical said:

Gorwe said:

Vrika said:

Quizzical said:

cheyane said:

I wish this whole bit coin and etherium and whatever other crptocurrency all just crash and burn.

It will.  If something can't go on forever, then it won't.  The only question is how long it will take and who will lose how much money over it.

It's plausible that cryptocurrencies will be widely used in the future.  But if that happens, it's almost certainly going to be cryptocurrencies issued by governments, for the same reason as for traditional paper currencies.  Mined cryptocurrencies have no future.

Even if you wrongly believe that mined cryptocurrencies do have a future, then it will surely be one or a few such currencies that dominate while all others vanish.  Bitcoin has no chance of becoming that dominant cryptocurrency because it is unusable as an actual currency.  Bitcoin can only be used for about one purchase per second worldwide.  For comparison, credit cards can handle tens of thousands of purchases per second, and with anti-fraud protections that Bitcoin can't offer.

I think that an unofficial cryptocurrency could survive well enough.

However I think that if nothing else crashes mined cryptocurrencies, sooner or later some government will do it by extending eco-regulation to them. At least where I live everything from houses to cars to washing machines is already subject to regulation on how eco-friendly it must be. Mined cryptocurrencies have left themselves way too open to a situation where they'd be unable to meet any eco-standards.

You can't put eco regulations on a bunch of 100110001s(that's what bitcoins are). Don't be silly.

Quizzical said:

Gorwe said:

500$? For upper middle class? What is this unfunny joke with gfx card costs?

This is basically the successor to the Radeon RX 5700 XT, which was AMD's top consumer GPU half a year ago.

What about the DLSS though? Every month that ATi delays their upscaling SuperFX(whatever its name is), nVidia digs deeper into traditionally ATi market(budget - mid range). ATi can't honestly let this wound fester any longer, it could be bad for them and if it is, it will be bad for us all(monopoly is never good, unless it's played with friends or some strip monopoly or what have you). Khm, ok. What do you think about the DLSS situation? And DLSS in general.

Oh and will Ray Tracing be just another fad like Tesselation(remember that craze and hype)?

I'm not sure if the first line was sarcasm, but governments can and have put regulations on the mining of bitcoins.  One town in New York that had miners overtaxing its power grid modified its electricity prices to offer one rate for most people and another, much higher rate for people who used more than some amount of power per square foot.

As for DLSS, it sounds like you missed my post about that:

https://forums.mmorpg.com/discussion/491977/the-truth-about-high-resolutions-dlss-and-variable-rate-shading

Tessellation was a good idea, but Nvidia killed it by preventing Microsoft from implementing it when it was needed.  Tessellation is fundamentally an optimization that allows models to have few vertices when far away and many vertices when up close.  Once hardware got powerful enough that all models could have many vertices all the time, you don't need tessellation anymore.  It could have made a huge difference in how games looked around 2005 or so, though.

Real-time ray tracing is still in its infancy.  It looks so much better than tessellation that of course it's going to be widely used once the hardware is ready.  The hardware being properly ready could easily be a decade away or more, however.  Or it might never come if the foundry advances come to a halt.

What we have today for ray tracing games is kind of like what Star Fox, Virtua Racing, and Donkey Kong Country were for rasterization.  It demonstrates some use of the technique, but it's nowhere near what games wanted to do--or what they actually do today.

That's different though, they taxed electricity consumption based upon mining increase to power spikes. You can't tax bitcoins, they are a bunch of bits and computer operations and completely independent of governments. You need to get them indirectly, what that town did was smart, putting a tax on gfx would be an overkill, but is still a possibility.

Ridelynn

I would not go so far as to say something isn’t taxable. If an entity wants to tax something - they will find a way.

Vrika

Gorwe said:

Quizzical said:

Gorwe said:

Vrika said:

Quizzical said:

cheyane said:

I wish this whole bit coin and etherium and whatever other crptocurrency all just crash and burn.

It will.  If something can't go on forever, then it won't.  The only question is how long it will take and who will lose how much money over it.

It's plausible that cryptocurrencies will be widely used in the future.  But if that happens, it's almost certainly going to be cryptocurrencies issued by governments, for the same reason as for traditional paper currencies.  Mined cryptocurrencies have no future.

Even if you wrongly believe that mined cryptocurrencies do have a future, then it will surely be one or a few such currencies that dominate while all others vanish.  Bitcoin has no chance of becoming that dominant cryptocurrency because it is unusable as an actual currency.  Bitcoin can only be used for about one purchase per second worldwide.  For comparison, credit cards can handle tens of thousands of purchases per second, and with anti-fraud protections that Bitcoin can't offer.

I think that an unofficial cryptocurrency could survive well enough.

However I think that if nothing else crashes mined cryptocurrencies, sooner or later some government will do it by extending eco-regulation to them. At least where I live everything from houses to cars to washing machines is already subject to regulation on how eco-friendly it must be. Mined cryptocurrencies have left themselves way too open to a situation where they'd be unable to meet any eco-standards.

You can't put eco regulations on a bunch of 100110001s(that's what bitcoins are). Don't be silly.

Quizzical said:

Gorwe said:

500$? For upper middle class? What is this unfunny joke with gfx card costs?

This is basically the successor to the Radeon RX 5700 XT, which was AMD's top consumer GPU half a year ago.

What about the DLSS though? Every month that ATi delays their upscaling SuperFX(whatever its name is), nVidia digs deeper into traditionally ATi market(budget - mid range). ATi can't honestly let this wound fester any longer, it could be bad for them and if it is, it will be bad for us all(monopoly is never good, unless it's played with friends or some strip monopoly or what have you). Khm, ok. What do you think about the DLSS situation? And DLSS in general.

Oh and will Ray Tracing be just another fad like Tesselation(remember that craze and hype)?

I'm not sure if the first line was sarcasm, but governments can and have put regulations on the mining of bitcoins.  One town in New York that had miners overtaxing its power grid modified its electricity prices to offer one rate for most people and another, much higher rate for people who used more than some amount of power per square foot.

As for DLSS, it sounds like you missed my post about that:

https://forums.mmorpg.com/discussion/491977/the-truth-about-high-resolutions-dlss-and-variable-rate-shading

Tessellation was a good idea, but Nvidia killed it by preventing Microsoft from implementing it when it was needed.  Tessellation is fundamentally an optimization that allows models to have few vertices when far away and many vertices when up close.  Once hardware got powerful enough that all models could have many vertices all the time, you don't need tessellation anymore.  It could have made a huge difference in how games looked around 2005 or so, though.

Real-time ray tracing is still in its infancy.  It looks so much better than tessellation that of course it's going to be widely used once the hardware is ready.  The hardware being properly ready could easily be a decade away or more, however.  Or it might never come if the foundry advances come to a halt.

What we have today for ray tracing games is kind of like what Star Fox, Virtua Racing, and Donkey Kong Country were for rasterization.  It demonstrates some use of the technique, but it's nowhere near what games wanted to do--or what they actually do today.

That's different though, they taxed electricity consumption based upon mining increase to power spikes. You can't tax bitcoins, they are a bunch of bits and computer operations and completely independent of governments. You need to get them indirectly, what that town did was smart, putting a tax on gfx would be an overkill, but is still a possibility.

You can tax anything.

Just try to buy any program that's just a bunch of bits in EU area and it's taxed. Bits in bitcoins are not fundamentally different from bits in programs that already get taxed.