Biggest Upcoming MMO Release in the new couple weeks, and yet the main page is silent?

Kalafax

Crowfall is releasing this tuesday, and regardless of your feelings about a PvP based game or not, I find it extremely odd that we have gotten almost no news or front page articles about its launch. The Alpha/Betas have been very up and down, they tried a ton of different systems, and have settled on a system that they think works for them, pretty in-depth crafting that would make people who enjoy a mix of SWGs and GW2 style creation, with item durability that cant be repaired so that the player economy keeps going, Campaign PvP with FactionVFactionVFaction, GuildVGuild, and a Murderdome which is 12 teams of 5 doing a 30 minute battle royale, and on top of that they have a sandbox Kingdom you can create and expand with land parcels that can be solo or shared with your guild or friends, player housing, crafting stations, NPC Vendors you hire to sell your stuff to other people who visit your Kingdom, literal Bazaar worlds that have cropped up since there is no Auction House, I feel this game has a ton of stuff to offer people, something that might interest people who would never consider this type of game, and yet barely a peep from the article writers? Seems a bit of a miss and let down.

IsilithTehroth

Its a dumpster fire.

Randomuser2020876

Even this site can't think of a way to prop this turd up.

cameltosis

We had some stories about it a couple of weeks ago when ACE announced the launch date and the open beta.

We then had a "first impressions" article from the final beta.

We've been promised a full review once the game actually releases.

What more do you want?

Iselin

We've had more than enough Crowfall articles recently and many more through the years.

Crowdfunded MMOs because of their nature - the need to raise money all through their development - have hype and over-hype for years. It gets tiresome for me to hear about every tiny detail ("now our carts have wheels!!!!") constantly and I imagine it's much the same for writers.

Games that are not crowdfunded can stay relatively quiet (although that's difficult these days since if they don't hype it, some "content creator" will do it for them) and start a targeted marketing campaign a month or two before release. That's what we're seeing with New World right now and why it's getting more coverage than Crowfall.

MMOExposed

wow I had no idea

Kyleran

Err, I thought this thread would have been about SOLO which launches July 9th on Steam, yes?

Crowfall is unfortunately sandwiched between this and New World which is probably limiting interest in CF for now.

Kalafax

Crowfall will definitely be a niche game, since it is a PvP based game, totally understandable, however as a MMO site I would expect to see some launch day articles, or articles talking about it releasing within a day or two of its launch date, I mean tons of WoW Patch Note articles. SOLO is a big name, I didn't really think about it as its another niche anime MMO, but it has gotten a lot of article coverage so your good there.

If you got the time I recommend watching this video, give you an idea of where Crowfall is at, because most of the peoples comments will show they dont really know anything about where the game is at.

Scot

I certainly think we could have had another article before launch but there have been at least two over the last couple of weeks. Personally it is the coverage after launch I pay the most attention too, after the launch review a follow up two months down the line should be standard for all big name MMO launches. That way you get to see how committed the studio is to sorting out issues spotted at launch, not all of us join a MMO from day one.

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Scot

Remali said:

It is pvp oriented and afaik its an mmo without a persistent world so its pretty niche

It does not have a persistent world? Shows you how much attention I have been taking, Albion Online and New World does I presume? How does it work then, what do you get for taking part in PvP?

Kyleran

tzervo said:

Scot said:

Remali said:

It is pvp oriented and afaik its an mmo without a persistent world so its pretty niche

It does not have a persistent world? Shows you how much attention I have been taking, Albion Online and New World does I presume? How does it work then, what do you get for taking part in PvP?

Destructible campaign worlds, permanent Eternal Kingdoms (personal player-made worlds out of the spoils from each campaign).

Seems to be more like a BR on steroids than a traditional MMO with a more persistent world.

Smart move really, if they can crossover even a small fraction of the BR market they'll have a pretty solid hit on their hands.

YashaX

Scot said:

Remali said:

It is pvp oriented and afaik its an mmo without a persistent world so its pretty niche

It does not have a persistent world? Shows you how much attention I have been taking, Albion Online and New World does I presume? How does it work then, what do you get for taking part in PvP?

New World has a persistent and cohesive world.

Scot

Had a quick look so a guild could set up an eternal kingdom guildes pay in and spruce it up. But apart from being a really big guild HQ what can you do with it? Likewise solo guys can make mini kingdoms what do they do with them? Are these present in the same zone as the campaign world?

I think the destructible campaign world is interesting, it removes the end game issue, but adds survival like elements but I am not sure how many. They may well get a following for this. 

olepi

Let's see,

- faction vs faction vs faction vs faction campaign PvP.

- in depth crafting with item destruction that cannot be repaired

- 24 x 24 PvP battle royale

- campaigns that reset after a win

- complex player-driven economy

Why that's ---- Pirates of the Burning Sea

Amaranthar

Kyleran said:

tzervo said:

Scot said:

Remali said:

It is pvp oriented and afaik its an mmo without a persistent world so its pretty niche

It does not have a persistent world? Shows you how much attention I have been taking, Albion Online and New World does I presume? How does it work then, what do you get for taking part in PvP?

Destructible campaign worlds, permanent Eternal Kingdoms (personal player-made worlds out of the spoils from each campaign).

Seems to be more like a BR on steroids than a traditional MMO with a more persistent world.

Smart move really, if they can crossover even a small fraction of the BR market they'll have a pretty solid hit on their hands.

I don't see it as a smart move. To me, the lack of a persistent world is one of the "no-no's" of MMORPG design. 
There's also no dungeons. That's another no-no. 

Players may try it, and some may stick, but the lack of a feeling of a world is crippling, IMO. 

I also think that MOBAs and the like were successful only because they were a new thing (and well done for Battle Arenas). But trying to make it into persistence beyond just the Character and gear is a detriment to that sort of game and it's players. "Needless drag" and that sort of thing. I just don't see that concept as something that will stick. 
I don't see "world" and "arena" meshing well.  

Kalafax

So the Eternal Kingdom is persistent, and while alot use it as a personal home or Guild hall, certain guilds turn it into a public Market place and Bazaar, where you go to visit the crafters you know make the best gear, or to just browse all the shops various people have set up and see if something is a good deal.

The Starter world is persistent, and have 4 different realms you can fight over, each faction ones 1 realm and the Central realm is a more free for all faction fight. This is still int he starter world, so the faction realms only drop 50% of your carried gold and no items, and the Central realm called Sky Point has you drop 100% of carried gold and no items. These are persistent, with forts and keeps and outposts constantly changing hands and giving you plenty of action if you want it.

Next you have Infected Campaigns, which are again Faction V Faction V Faction, where you drop all of your inventory, and the world only last for a certain set time, generally 30 days, and there are many many tiers of rewards you can earn here, from the most crafted, the most kills, the most captures, all the way to the top Faction with the most points, once the timer is up, people get rewards, and you can withdraw gear and resources you got from these Campaigns into your Eternal Kingdom or Starter Kingdom Vault for use. Here you will drop 100% of carried gold and your carried inventory, but not equipped gear, I also stress that these areas are where you will find the top crafting mats, so you will have to go here to harvest, however harvesters only drop 50% of carried materials instead of 100% of it.

Finally you have Dregs Campaigns, which are Guild v Guild, no limit on the guilds competing here, and again tons of rewards you can earn for yourself and your guild, such as relics that you then install in your Guilds Eternal King, which give your entire guild buffs and bonuses. The rewards vary and typically you and your guild will focus on achieving a certain reward tier to get what they want, but some go for the big cheese and win the top guild spot. After the Campaign ends, you get you rewards and a new Campaign will start and you can do better next time if you didnt meet your goal, or you can work towards a new one if you did. Again you drop everything except equipped gear, and harvesters only drop 50% of carried materials.

If this doesnt interest you, then its all good, its definitely a Niche game not ment for everyone, but if you wanna make a name for yourself whether thats being the best Crafter, the Best Faction, or the Best Guild, then Crowfall will have a spot for you.

Ungood

Randomuser2020876 said:

Even this site can't think of a way to prop this turd up.

This site still runs articles about COE, they have no bottom limit to the suck they will talk about.

Sovrath

Ungood said:

Randomuser2020876 said:

Even this site can't think of a way to prop this turd up.

This site still runs articles about COE, they have no bottom limit to the suck they will talk about.

I'm fairly certain they would love to talk about all the amazing mmorpg's coming down the pike.

I can't possibly imagine why they WOULDN'T talk about all the amazing mmorpg's that are launching this year!

Kyleran

Sovrath said:

Ungood said:

Randomuser2020876 said:

Even this site can't think of a way to prop this turd up.

This site still runs articles about COE, they have no bottom limit to the suck they will talk about.

I'm fairly certain they would love to talk about all the amazing mmorpg's coming down the pike.

I can't possibly imagine why they WOULDN'T talk about all the amazing mmorpg's that are launching this year!

Clearly they are just MMORPG haters for sure.

cameltosis

Amaranthar said:

Kyleran said:

tzervo said:

Scot said:

Remali said:

It is pvp oriented and afaik its an mmo without a persistent world so its pretty niche

It does not have a persistent world? Shows you how much attention I have been taking, Albion Online and New World does I presume? How does it work then, what do you get for taking part in PvP?

Destructible campaign worlds, permanent Eternal Kingdoms (personal player-made worlds out of the spoils from each campaign).

Seems to be more like a BR on steroids than a traditional MMO with a more persistent world.

Smart move really, if they can crossover even a small fraction of the BR market they'll have a pretty solid hit on their hands.

I don't see it as a smart move. To me, the lack of a persistent world is one of the "no-no's" of MMORPG design. 
There's also no dungeons. That's another no-no. 

Players may try it, and some may stick, but the lack of a feeling of a world is crippling, IMO.

I actually think that Crowfall's core idea is a solid one and potentially smart as an idea. It is definitely moving away from long-term persistence, and it's definitely not interested in the virtual world idea.

However

They were not intending to be that sort of game. I remember from their early pitches that their design was supposed to give them flexibility, and that's what they've got.

The proper PvP campaigns are supposed to run for months, but the devs can change everything. Every time they launch a new campaign, they can change the rules and the design. They can experiment on a fairly regular basis and they can directly see what works and what doesn't.

Crowfall gives us just enough persistence - through characters, guilds and eternal kingdoms - to keep us interested long term, but the regular nature of changing campaigns also keeps a certain freshness to the game. The players should get a choice - fight in the regular campaign, or try out the hardcore campaign, or try out the whatever etc etc etc.

So, I approve of the intent. I hope ACE manages to maintain enough cash flow and population to be able to take advantage of that flexibility. If they take it seriously and analyse the data correctly, after enough campaigns they'll reach the "perfect" combination for their playerbase. And they can always keep re-using original campaigns to keep the inevitable "vanilla was best" crowd happy.

Amaranthar

cameltosis said:

Amaranthar said:

Kyleran said:

tzervo said:

Scot said:

Remali said:

It is pvp oriented and afaik its an mmo without a persistent world so its pretty niche

It does not have a persistent world? Shows you how much attention I have been taking, Albion Online and New World does I presume? How does it work then, what do you get for taking part in PvP?

Destructible campaign worlds, permanent Eternal Kingdoms (personal player-made worlds out of the spoils from each campaign).

Seems to be more like a BR on steroids than a traditional MMO with a more persistent world.

Smart move really, if they can crossover even a small fraction of the BR market they'll have a pretty solid hit on their hands.

I don't see it as a smart move. To me, the lack of a persistent world is one of the "no-no's" of MMORPG design. 
There's also no dungeons. That's another no-no. 

Players may try it, and some may stick, but the lack of a feeling of a world is crippling, IMO.

I actually think that Crowfall's core idea is a solid one and potentially smart as an idea. It is definitely moving away from long-term persistence, and it's definitely not interested in the virtual world idea.

However

They were not intending to be that sort of game. I remember from their early pitches that their design was supposed to give them flexibility, and that's what they've got.

The proper PvP campaigns are supposed to run for months, but the devs can change everything. Every time they launch a new campaign, they can change the rules and the design. They can experiment on a fairly regular basis and they can directly see what works and what doesn't.

Crowfall gives us just enough persistence - through characters, guilds and eternal kingdoms - to keep us interested long term, but the regular nature of changing campaigns also keeps a certain freshness to the game. The players should get a choice - fight in the regular campaign, or try out the hardcore campaign, or try out the whatever etc etc etc.

So, I approve of the intent. I hope ACE manages to maintain enough cash flow and population to be able to take advantage of that flexibility. If they take it seriously and analyse the data correctly, after enough campaigns they'll reach the "perfect" combination for their playerbase. And they can always keep re-using original campaigns to keep the inevitable "vanilla was best" crowd happy.

Well, it's certainly the next step in MOBA gaming. It does grab a few basics from MMORPGs, to make it a little better I think (not being all that familiar with the MOBAs). 

You make an excellent point about flexibility. I agree that they may be able to use that to better the game continually. 

I hope I'm wrong about my previous post, and that players interested in Crowfall end up with a great game. Heck, I may try it. It's been a long time since I've played an MMORPG. 
I'm ready for something that's not the same ol' same ol'. 
Besides, I've always liked Gordon Walton. 
And then there's the Koster input on economics, too. 

I'll have to check out their power gaps. If it's like most MMORPGs, I'll lose interest quickly. I hope it's tamed down some. 

Coated

I can't find a reason to like this game.

It is weird though. This game is what a game would be like if you took everything I hate about MMORPG's and made a game out of it.

Kyleran

Coated said:

I can't find a reason to like this game.

It is weird though. This game is what a game would be like if you took everything I hate about MMORPG's and made a game out of it.

Well, I'd enjoy soccer (football) a lot more if they took out all of the silly kicking too. 

No, probably not true as there comes a point where if devs remove enough features of what made games MMORPGS they cease to resemble them much anymore.

For me that line was crossed back around 2006 or so.

Scot

Kyleran said:

Coated said:

I can't find a reason to like this game.

It is weird though. This game is what a game would be like if you took everything I hate about MMORPG's and made a game out of it.

Well, I'd enjoy soccer (football) a lot more if they took out all of the silly kicking too. 

No, probably not true as there comes a point where if devs remove enough features of what made games MMORPGS they cease to resemble them much anymore.

For me that line was crossed back around 2006 or so.

Silly kicking? Silly?

Scot

Scot said:

Kyleran said:

Coated said:

I can't find a reason to like this game.

It is weird though. This game is what a game would be like if you took everything I hate about MMORPG's and made a game out of it.

Well, I'd enjoy soccer (football) a lot more if they took out all of the silly kicking too. 

No, probably not true as there comes a point where if devs remove enough features of what made games MMORPGS they cease to resemble them much anymore.

For me that line was crossed back around 2006 or so.

Silly kicking? Silly?

Just to say silly kicking has got us into the final of the European Cup!