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A mmo site-ish that has people writing who are just now playing ffXI
It's both bleak as hell and sorta cute.
Given the goddamned game is about 600 years old and running on like 56096690 private servers.
FFXI Can be defined by 59 hours in the dunes, sixty six hours in quaf about 699 in the next about probably the rest in kahzam getting gob bombed by zoners.
The off to the desert to get mobbed by the two stupid ass bombs that roam between gates.
Honestly just talking about FFXI makes me wanna go log back into the private servers.
I enjoyed my time with the game. Have some good memories but also bad ones. The biggest one, having to wait for hours every single day to find a party to grind with.
What that's not your idea of playing a mmo?
My favorite was trying to learn japanese during a time when the internet was hot trash and lacked actual youtube. That was enjoyable. I have no idea how gen x and before learned to do anything at all. Like what a feat old folks!
I enjoyed my time with the game. Have some good memories but also bad ones. The biggest one, having to wait for hours every single day to find a party to grind with.
What that's not your idea of playing a mmo?
My favorite was trying to learn japanese during a time when the internet was hot trash and lacked actual youtube. That was enjoyable. I have no idea how gen x and before learned to do anything at all. Like what a feat old folks!
What's a book anyhow.
Well, good for you that you enjoy staring at a screen being unable to play the game for hours until you found a group to grind with.
When I was younger that was "fine", now I'm older and I won't tolerate such waste of time with the abundance of options we have available.
I really appreciate what you are trying to do with re-roll, and the idea of spending time exploring old games. There are so many quality old MMOs which where major teachers and leaders of the MMO industry (love it or hate it).
My one concern is this post does not cover any relevant playable content of what people would experience re-rolling FFXI (pass the install and using addons). I would love to see an article one day on the major features and themes that FFXI brought to life and are now pillars of the MMO market, and what those things look like for people still playing FFXI today.
Compare FFXI to FFXIV.
XIV is a simple, shallow, repetitive, anti-social game.
All mmos are simple, shallow, repetitive, anti-social games, if you play them that way.
At the same time, all mmos can be jsut the opposite if you play them that way.
XI was magical? I don't know because i didn't play it, but i think that's your nostalgia speaking. One thing you said caught my attention. You mentioned XI forcing people to group. Forcing people to group is just as bad as forcing people to play solo. There should be a decent balance between the two, but if the content is not fun it doesn't matter if you do it solo or in a party. But fun is subjective so that makes it harder to strike the balance between good solo and good group friendly content IMO.
EDIT: you can do a bunch of solo questing and still be socially active in game. I don't need to be in a group every minute im in game.
I appreciate these articles. I know they aggravate the vets of games, but they do an excellent job of giving someone who has not played the game a snippet of what it would be like to go in blind. Yes the author could research all the classes and information. It would improve their experience. Not everyone does that though and some times people just jump into old games blind. Especially now that so many are free to try.
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Tbf when I realised you were playing with mouse and keyboard I almost stopped reading, this game was designed with the ps2 as the main development platform so playing with a game pad will always trump keyboard and mouse.
I'd really advise you try it again with z game pad which will take bit of getting used to but it will make navigating the old school menu system much more tolerable.
Tbf when I realised you were playing with mouse and keyboard I almost stopped reading, this game was designed with the ps2 as the main development platform so playing with a game pad will always trump keyboard and mouse.
I'd really advise you try it again with z game pad which will take bit of getting used to but it will make navigating the old school menu system much more tolerable.
You've never seen me use a controller, have you? It's not a pretty sight. I did stop using the mouse and go full keyboard and that did help some. As I mentioned, though, I think taking the time to set up macros and simply building up the muscle memory can overcome the initial issues I had.
I enjoyed my time with the game. Have some good memories but also bad ones. The biggest one, having to wait for hours every single day to find a party to grind with.
And that's still a thing in MMOs, even with "Party Finders".
You know why most people waited a long time for parties in XI? The answer is in the question, and is kind of ironic.
It's because they were waiting for one. They weren't pro-actively assembling one them self. They were waiting for someone else to be proactive and invite them, instead of someone else.
A good friend of mine was almost always in a group within 10-15 minutes of logging in. Why? Because they took the initiative to put one together. They didn't wait for someone else to invite them. Others did the same.
That said... there were things that could make it slow or difficult, or even impossible at times, that no developer or system could fix.
Sometimes there just aren't many people at a given level range, on a desired job/role, looking for a group to do the same content. Party/Group finders still have this same problem. Hence the long queue times you can still have, especially for DPS.
Further, because of how different jobs were perceived in XI (lolDRG, etc), you could be overlooked for an invite just because the person didn't like your job for whatever reason, or it wasn't considered "optimal" for the camp they wanted to level at.
There was also reputation which could play a part. If someone's name was known on the server as being a poor player, or an a-hole, they'd probably be overlooked. There were a few like that on my server, Pandemonium (which was eaten by Asura).
The same thing happens today with Party Finders. You can still be waiting a long time for a group, especially on DPS. And it's for all the same reasons as it could be slow in XI and other MMOs without a system to automate it.
I enjoyed my time with the game. Have some good memories but also bad ones. The biggest one, having to wait for hours every single day to find a party to grind with.
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Well, I didn't play the game at launch. There was still people around, but majority were higher level, and there were too many people playing dps classes (as happens even now).
You know why most people waited a long time for parties in XI? The answer is in the question, and is kind of ironic.
It's because they were waiting for one. They weren't pro-actively assembling one them self. They were waiting for someone else to be proactive and invite them, instead of someone else.
I was once in a game where I looked at chat and several players posted "looking for x" where "x" was the exact same dungeon.
And they kept doing it. And I kept thinking, why don't you just contact each other and put it together?
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Ah yes, Final Fantasy XI, the japanese MMO that is older then WoW, and quite possibly has more people playing it then WoW right now.
(I mean I'm kinda joking about that last part, but then again, i have no clue how many souls are still clinging onto WoW while it sinks into oblivion.)
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Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
A mmo site-ish that has people writing who are just now playing ffXI
It's both bleak as hell and sorta cute.
Given the goddamned game is about 600 years old and running on like 56096690 private servers.
FFXI Can be defined by 59 hours in the dunes, sixty six hours in quaf about 699 in the next about probably the rest in kahzam getting gob bombed by zoners.
The off to the desert to get mobbed by the two stupid ass bombs that roam between gates.
Honestly just talking about FFXI makes me wanna go log back into the private servers.
What that's not your idea of playing a mmo?
My favorite was trying to learn japanese during a time when the internet was hot trash and lacked actual youtube. That was enjoyable. I have no idea how gen x and before learned to do anything at all. Like what a feat old folks!
What's a book anyhow.
When I was younger that was "fine", now I'm older and I won't tolerate such waste of time with the abundance of options we have available.
My one concern is this post does not cover any relevant playable content of what people would experience re-rolling FFXI (pass the install and using addons). I would love to see an article one day on the major features and themes that FFXI brought to life and are now pillars of the MMO market, and what those things look like for people still playing FFXI today.
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I'd really advise you try it again with z game pad which will take bit of getting used to but it will make navigating the old school menu system much more tolerable.
It wasn't magical. Just another chat room with grind mechanics like all other MMOs of that generation. It's definitely nostalgia.
You know why most people waited a long time for parties in XI? The answer is in the question, and is kind of ironic.
It's because they were waiting for one. They weren't pro-actively assembling one them self. They were waiting for someone else to be proactive and invite them, instead of someone else.
A good friend of mine was almost always in a group within 10-15 minutes of logging in. Why? Because they took the initiative to put one together. They didn't wait for someone else to invite them. Others did the same.
That said... there were things that could make it slow or difficult, or even impossible at times, that no developer or system could fix.
Sometimes there just aren't many people at a given level range, on a desired job/role, looking for a group to do the same content. Party/Group finders still have this same problem. Hence the long queue times you can still have, especially for DPS.
Further, because of how different jobs were perceived in XI (lolDRG, etc), you could be overlooked for an invite just because the person didn't like your job for whatever reason, or it wasn't considered "optimal" for the camp they wanted to level at.
There was also reputation which could play a part. If someone's name was known on the server as being a poor player, or an a-hole, they'd probably be overlooked. There were a few like that on my server, Pandemonium (which was eaten by Asura).
The same thing happens today with Party Finders. You can still be waiting a long time for a group, especially on DPS. And it's for all the same reasons as it could be slow in XI and other MMOs without a system to automate it.
As such, finding a party was challenging.
And they kept doing it. And I kept thinking, why don't you just contact each other and put it together?
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(I mean I'm kinda joking about that last part, but then again, i have no clue how many souls are still clinging onto WoW while it sinks into oblivion.)
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