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New World's Server Transfers Disabled Thanks To Gold Dupe Exploit As Economy Stares Down Deflation C

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  • VrikaVrika Member LegendaryPosts: 7,973
    bcbully said:
    Quizzical said:
    bcbully said:
    cough, blockchain, cough. No more dupes, not possible. 
    I take it that you're not a programmer.  Bugs make arbitrarily weird behavior possible, no matter what they're a buggy implementation of.  A buggy implementation of blockchain could absolutely allow duping bugs, just like their buggy implementation of whatever they're using for a database.
    it's highly unlikely even improbabable, impossible is not a reach. I don't believe I ever heard of  a dupe exploit in a blockchain game. Read why below.


    A Secure Gaming World with Blockchain

    The problem of item duping, which has plagued both gaming companies and users for a long time, can be solved through blockchain technology. When blockchain is incorporated into a game, each item is recorded on a block, and because blockchain technology is virtually impossible to copy or hack, it can solve the problems that arise due to item duping. In addition, through smart contracts and items that are fully attributale to the user, transparent and safe item transactions is possible, eliminating illegally duped items that cause harm to the users. 

    https://medium.com/itam/the-solution-to-item-duping-92f8c3bef94a

    If the database used blockchain items would most likely not have duped.

    It would have created some other kind incorrect result instead, because there was incorrect data and incorrect data generates incorrect results.
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  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,273
    Feeling like a one track record here, who believed transfers were going to be a quick fix? Hopefully the next time a new MMO suggests using this as a method to solve server queues gaming media and players will say "hang on this did not work before". Transfers have always had issues, why think this was going to go any differently?
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  • BabuinixBabuinix Member EpicPosts: 4,442
    Apridise said:
    Garbage game, no surprise.
    Trolls bashing a game, no surprise...
    Copium for the sadness of not being able to enjoy games anymore :D
  • olepiolepi Member EpicPosts: 3,017
    As a chip engineer and programmer, the worst bug I coded was probably when I had a units problem and my answers were a factor of 10 billion off.

    The worst units problem I've seen though was when a Mars spacecraft crashed because they forgot to convert metric to english units.

    "(CNN) -- NASA lost a $125 million Mars orbiter because a Lockheed Martin engineering team used English units of measurement while the agency's team used the more conventional metric system for a key spacecraft operation,"



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  • DjijinDjijin Member UncommonPosts: 108
    edited October 2021
    olepi said:
    As a chip engineer and programmer, the worst bug I coded was probably when I had a units problem and my answers were a factor of 10 billion off.

    The worst units problem I've seen though was when a Mars spacecraft crashed because they forgot to convert metric to english units.

    "(CNN) -- NASA lost a $125 million Mars orbiter because a Lockheed Martin engineering team used English units of measurement while the agency's team used the more conventional metric system for a key spacecraft operation,"



    Planes have crashed, killing all aboard, because they confused liters and gallons when fueling. Same can be said for mechanical errors due to metric/imperial confusion.

    Even when people die, USA and Britain still don't give a rat's ass about catching up to the rest of the world's standards.
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,483
    LMAO, of all things they couldnt get right.... server transfers are one of the simplest and most basic of things and have been in operation for decades with no issues for other games yet this train wreck of a development house cant get them right.

    On the plus side a gold dupe means nothing because there is no economy as everyone just makes their own shit or gets their own drops.
    Any time you're going over a network isn't really a simple case of programming.  That gives you arbitrary and inconsistent latency, as well as some packets not arriving at all.  That creates the potential for race conditions that only pop up sporadically, and all sorts of other weird behavior.  I'm not saying it's impossible, but there are many other things that are much simpler.

    Depending on how their database is set up, server transfers could require synchronizing and transferring things between independent databases, which gives you a whole host of ways to break things in subtle ways.
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,483
    Djijin said:
    olepi said:
    As a chip engineer and programmer, the worst bug I coded was probably when I had a units problem and my answers were a factor of 10 billion off.

    The worst units problem I've seen though was when a Mars spacecraft crashed because they forgot to convert metric to english units.

    "(CNN) -- NASA lost a $125 million Mars orbiter because a Lockheed Martin engineering team used English units of measurement while the agency's team used the more conventional metric system for a key spacecraft operation,"



    Planes have crashed, killing all aboard, because they confused liters and gallons when fueling. Same can be said for mechanical errors due to metric/imperial confusion.

    Even when people die, USA and Britain still don't give a rat's ass about catching up to the rest of the world's standards.
    When asked your age, do you typically report it in megaseconds or gigaseconds, which would be the proper metric units?  Or do you use years?  And perhaps months or days or hours for shorter amounts of time?  Some non-metric units exist for good reasons, and those that don't commonly fall out of common usage on their own.
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  • sk8chalifsk8chalif Member UncommonPosts: 666
    edited October 2021
    meh Happened to me in wow when i first transferred. Got everything in double including gold and lost item, the character had to be restored.

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  • VrikaVrika Member LegendaryPosts: 7,973
    Quizzical said:
    Djijin said:
    olepi said:
    As a chip engineer and programmer, the worst bug I coded was probably when I had a units problem and my answers were a factor of 10 billion off.

    The worst units problem I've seen though was when a Mars spacecraft crashed because they forgot to convert metric to english units.

    "(CNN) -- NASA lost a $125 million Mars orbiter because a Lockheed Martin engineering team used English units of measurement while the agency's team used the more conventional metric system for a key spacecraft operation,"



    Planes have crashed, killing all aboard, because they confused liters and gallons when fueling. Same can be said for mechanical errors due to metric/imperial confusion.

    Even when people die, USA and Britain still don't give a rat's ass about catching up to the rest of the world's standards.
    When asked your age, do you typically report it in megaseconds or gigaseconds, which would be the proper metric units?  Or do you use years?  And perhaps months or days or hours for shorter amounts of time?  Some non-metric units exist for good reasons, and those that don't commonly fall out of common usage on their own.
    It's true that some non-metrics exists for a reason.

    But for gallons, miles and Fahrenheit we should be honest about it and admit that's not the case. They are old systems still in use because switching to better (metric) system would be a hassle.
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  • bcbullybcbully Member EpicPosts: 11,843
    Vrika said:
    Quizzical said:
    Djijin said:
    olepi said:
    As a chip engineer and programmer, the worst bug I coded was probably when I had a units problem and my answers were a factor of 10 billion off.

    The worst units problem I've seen though was when a Mars spacecraft crashed because they forgot to convert metric to english units.

    "(CNN) -- NASA lost a $125 million Mars orbiter because a Lockheed Martin engineering team used English units of measurement while the agency's team used the more conventional metric system for a key spacecraft operation,"



    Planes have crashed, killing all aboard, because they confused liters and gallons when fueling. Same can be said for mechanical errors due to metric/imperial confusion.

    Even when people die, USA and Britain still don't give a rat's ass about catching up to the rest of the world's standards.
    When asked your age, do you typically report it in megaseconds or gigaseconds, which would be the proper metric units?  Or do you use years?  And perhaps months or days or hours for shorter amounts of time?  Some non-metric units exist for good reasons, and those that don't commonly fall out of common usage on their own.
    It's true that some non-metrics exists for a reason.

    But for gallons, miles and Fahrenheit we should be honest about it and admit that's not the case. They are old systems still in use because switching to better (metric) system would be a hassle.
    somrthing special about 12. especially in construction.
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  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 7,591
    Xodic said:
    Djijin said:
    olepi said:
    As a chip engineer and programmer, the worst bug I coded was probably when I had a units problem and my answers were a factor of 10 billion off.

    The worst units problem I've seen though was when a Mars spacecraft crashed because they forgot to convert metric to english units.

    "(CNN) -- NASA lost a $125 million Mars orbiter because a Lockheed Martin engineering team used English units of measurement while the agency's team used the more conventional metric system for a key spacecraft operation,"



    Planes have crashed, killing all aboard, because they confused liters and gallons when fueling. Same can be said for mechanical errors due to metric/imperial confusion.

    Even when people die, USA and Britain still don't give a rat's ass about catching up to the rest of the world's standards.
    There are still standards within fields. I agree that metric should be the standard in education, but in the real world even then which metric units you use for things still need to have an industry standard. It doesn't matter if you're using metric or imperial when you don't know whether to convert from millimeters, centimeters, or meters. While it may look like these problems were caused from using two different standards, it's actually because they didn't have standards at all.
    Try living in Canada. Your taught only the metric system in school and then when you enter the workforce you use imperial. Have to explain to young people what an inch is.

    When your Canadian you get really good at conversion ;)
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  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 7,591
    To ad

    In my business I work with nothing but measurements. We work with both systems constantly. You can see by the numbers on a drawing whether something was originally thought up in metric or imperial. And in a machine shop everything imperial is based on 10 just like metric.

     I find imperial keeps you sharper because your constantly doing more math inside your head ;)
    Kyleran

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  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,483
    Vrika said:
    Quizzical said:
    Djijin said:
    olepi said:
    As a chip engineer and programmer, the worst bug I coded was probably when I had a units problem and my answers were a factor of 10 billion off.

    The worst units problem I've seen though was when a Mars spacecraft crashed because they forgot to convert metric to english units.

    "(CNN) -- NASA lost a $125 million Mars orbiter because a Lockheed Martin engineering team used English units of measurement while the agency's team used the more conventional metric system for a key spacecraft operation,"



    Planes have crashed, killing all aboard, because they confused liters and gallons when fueling. Same can be said for mechanical errors due to metric/imperial confusion.

    Even when people die, USA and Britain still don't give a rat's ass about catching up to the rest of the world's standards.
    When asked your age, do you typically report it in megaseconds or gigaseconds, which would be the proper metric units?  Or do you use years?  And perhaps months or days or hours for shorter amounts of time?  Some non-metric units exist for good reasons, and those that don't commonly fall out of common usage on their own.
    It's true that some non-metrics exists for a reason.

    But for gallons, miles and Fahrenheit we should be honest about it and admit that's not the case. They are old systems still in use because switching to better (metric) system would be a hassle.
    A lot of imperial units have fallen out of common usage precisely because they didn't serve any good purpose.  Do you know what a barleycorn, rood, gill, or stone is?  Do you even know what types of units they are?  You might recognize the words "gill" and "stone", but not have known that they were units of measurement.

    There's no intrinsic reason why the meter is superior to the foot.  It's not like the distance that light travels in a vacuum in 1/299792458 seconds is some nice properly of the universe.

    As for temperature, the metric unit is Kelvins, but hardly anyone uses that outside of scientific use.  Celsius is as arbitrary as Fahrenheit, and apart from conventional usage, there isn't really a compelling case for using one over the other.  If you think that 100 degrees between water freezing and boiling is nicer than 180, then you're mistaken.  The difference between the melting and boiling points of water is 100 degrees Celsius at a pressure of 101325 Pa.  The difference between them is 100 degrees Fahrenheit at a pressure of 15842 Pa.

    You can make a case that having different sets of units to convert between is a nuisance, and it would be more convenient if everyone used the same set of units--regardless of what that set of units is.  If you want to go that route, then having different people speak different languages is a much bigger nuisance.  Would you want to pick an arbitrary language and ban all others from use in the world?
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,483
    If you want to disregard conventional usage and appeal to first principles, then I'll concede that the American/English/Imperial/whatever you want to call it system isn't what you'd design if you weren't just formalizing things that people already used.  But neither is the metric system what you would create.  The metric system is just an effort at formalizing the things that people in a different time and place conventionally used.

    For starters, the metric system is very heavily designed around base 10.  There's no way that you'd adopt base 10 for your numbering system if it weren't already conventionally used.  You want a round number for your base, as that makes it much easier to handle fractions.  At minimum, you'd want your base to be of the form (2^a)(3^b)(5^c)(7^d)... with a >= b >= c >= d >=...

    That's not really as restrictive of a criterion as it might seem at first glance, as it leaves plenty of options:  2, 4, 6, 8, 12, 16, 30, 32, 60, and so forth.  A lot of non-metric units use such sensible numbers, such as 4 quarts in a gallon, 12 inches in a foot, or 360 degrees in a circle.  (And some don't, such as 5280 feet in a mile.)  Some other historical civilizations have used better numbering bases, even.  Yet the metric system somehow managed to screw it up and make exactly no conversions at all use a reasonable base.

    If you want society to convert to a better system of measurements, you can make a case for converting away from feet, pounds, quarts, and so forth.  But if using a better system is the goal, then that doesn't justify converting to the metric system.  You'd also want for the people who use metric to convert to some other, better system.
    Scot
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