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A public call for MJ to drop the NDA

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  • nursonurso Member UncommonPosts: 327
    YashaX said:

    Amazing to think that after all this time (has it been 8 years now?), it would still take all that just to possibly get the game launched in three years from now. 

    Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Either it's too early and the game isn't ready, or it's too late and everyone has lost interest.


  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,273
    Slapshot1188 said:
    Again, I think the most important takeaway from this thread is that MJ seems to have totally withdrawn from the CU community.  His last post was in November and only a handful in the months prior.

    That, more than anything is not a good sign.

    Or maybe... he's grinding away and will pop up again with a  super-Jesus-patch...
    This to me strikes a much more important note than the NDA in fact.
  • UngoodUngood Member LegendaryPosts: 7,534
    edited February 2022
    Scot said:
    Again, I think the most important takeaway from this thread is that MJ seems to have totally withdrawn from the CU community.  His last post was in November and only a handful in the months prior.

    That, more than anything is not a good sign.

    Or maybe... he's grinding away and will pop up again with a  super-Jesus-patch...
    This to me strikes a much more important note than the NDA in fact.
    Lets be honest, after dealing with posters like Slapshot for several years, I can fully respect why he would need to take a break from the "Community" as it were.

    Also, if MJ secured other funding by other larger backers, perhaps, given how abrasive MJ can be, he might have been told by his new handlers to lay off and let the PR professionals handle the PR part of the job.

    As far as the NDA goes, at the end of the day, If there is nothing to gain by changing the contract, there is no motive to change it. Some people are just too daft to grasp that one.
    meddyck
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  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,273
    Ungood said:
    Scot said:
    Again, I think the most important takeaway from this thread is that MJ seems to have totally withdrawn from the CU community.  His last post was in November and only a handful in the months prior.

    That, more than anything is not a good sign.

    Or maybe... he's grinding away and will pop up again with a  super-Jesus-patch...
    This to me strikes a much more important note than the NDA in fact.
    Lets be honest, after dealing with posters like Slapshot for several years, I can fully respect why he would need to take a break from the "Community" as it were.

    Also, if MJ secured other funding by other larger backers, perhaps, given how abrasive MJ can be, he might have been told by his new handlers to lay off and let the PR professionals handle the PR part of the job.

    As far as the NDA goes, at the end of the day, If there is nothing to gain by changing the contract, there is no motive to change it. Some people are just too daft to grasp that one.
    He does not need to engage with anyone and he could ignore anyone who does try to engage with him. All he has to do is a post now and then, you must see how this looks bad?
    YashaX
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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 17,586
    Scot said:
    Ungood said:
    Scot said:
    Again, I think the most important takeaway from this thread is that MJ seems to have totally withdrawn from the CU community.  His last post was in November and only a handful in the months prior.

    That, more than anything is not a good sign.

    Or maybe... he's grinding away and will pop up again with a  super-Jesus-patch...
    This to me strikes a much more important note than the NDA in fact.
    Lets be honest, after dealing with posters like Slapshot for several years, I can fully respect why he would need to take a break from the "Community" as it were.

    Also, if MJ secured other funding by other larger backers, perhaps, given how abrasive MJ can be, he might have been told by his new handlers to lay off and let the PR professionals handle the PR part of the job.

    As far as the NDA goes, at the end of the day, If there is nothing to gain by changing the contract, there is no motive to change it. Some people are just too daft to grasp that one.
    He does not need to engage with anyone and he could ignore anyone who does try to engage with him. All he has to do is a post now and then, you must see how this looks bad?
    Don't mind him.  He's just here for me :)

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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 17,586
    Wargfoot said:
    Kickstarters are a tricky business.

    You need to promote your project like crazy to get the funds, and that promotion has to occur when there really isn't anything to promote - the promotion occurs at the exact moment any marketing person would tell you to hush.  I don't know how you'd keep the community excited and engaged over 8 years of development.
    Well here is the thing...  the Kickstarter funding is a small percent of the total funding.  He has done no real "sales" since the Kickstarter other than leave his shop open.

    It's certainly a bit unique in the Crowdfunded MMORPG space.

    At the end of the day... interest from the backers has fallen off the cliff and with little to no real updates over some concept art or "pathfinding ai" there has been little to draw in new people.

    I think the word I used earlier is apt...  apathy.  Most do not feel a strong emotion at all about this title... and that's probably the worst place to be.

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  • UngoodUngood Member LegendaryPosts: 7,534
    Scot said:
    Ungood said:
    Scot said:
    Again, I think the most important takeaway from this thread is that MJ seems to have totally withdrawn from the CU community.  His last post was in November and only a handful in the months prior.

    That, more than anything is not a good sign.

    Or maybe... he's grinding away and will pop up again with a  super-Jesus-patch...
    This to me strikes a much more important note than the NDA in fact.
    Lets be honest, after dealing with posters like Slapshot for several years, I can fully respect why he would need to take a break from the "Community" as it were.

    Also, if MJ secured other funding by other larger backers, perhaps, given how abrasive MJ can be, he might have been told by his new handlers to lay off and let the PR professionals handle the PR part of the job.

    As far as the NDA goes, at the end of the day, If there is nothing to gain by changing the contract, there is no motive to change it. Some people are just too daft to grasp that one.
    He does not need to engage with anyone and he could ignore anyone who does try to engage with him. All he has to do is a post now and then, you must see how this looks bad?
    I haven't been paying attention in CU that much as of late, kinda fell off my radar a few years back TBH, but, really, as long as someone is saying something, even if it's just some intern giving a paltry updates, that is all that really needs to happen. MJ himself does not need to get directly involved in everything all the time.

    I mean if the whole company went silent, yah, that would be a worry.

    But, as long as someone is sounding off to you all, that should be enough. 

    And lets not forget that JW "Caspian" never shut up the whole time he was ripping ya all off, in fact, last I looked, the guy is still spewing the bullshit.. so I would not use "hE nEeDs To TaLk To Us" as a metric of "All is well".
    Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.

  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 43,975
    Ungood said:
    Scot said:
    Ungood said:
    Scot said:
    Again, I think the most important takeaway from this thread is that MJ seems to have totally withdrawn from the CU community.  His last post was in November and only a handful in the months prior.

    That, more than anything is not a good sign.

    Or maybe... he's grinding away and will pop up again with a  super-Jesus-patch...
    This to me strikes a much more important note than the NDA in fact.
    Lets be honest, after dealing with posters like Slapshot for several years, I can fully respect why he would need to take a break from the "Community" as it were.

    Also, if MJ secured other funding by other larger backers, perhaps, given how abrasive MJ can be, he might have been told by his new handlers to lay off and let the PR professionals handle the PR part of the job.

    As far as the NDA goes, at the end of the day, If there is nothing to gain by changing the contract, there is no motive to change it. Some people are just too daft to grasp that one.
    He does not need to engage with anyone and he could ignore anyone who does try to engage with him. All he has to do is a post now and then, you must see how this looks bad?
    I haven't been paying attention in CU that much as of late, kinda fell off my radar a few years back TBH, but, really, as long as someone is saying something, even if it's just some intern giving a paltry updates, that is all that really needs to happen. MJ himself does not need to get directly involved in everything all the time.

    I mean if the whole company went silent, yah, that would be a worry.

    But, as long as someone is sounding off to you all, that should be enough. 

    And lets not forget that JW "Caspian" never shut up the whole time he was ripping ya all off, in fact, last I looked, the guy is still spewing the bullshit.. so I would not use "hE nEeDs To TaLk To Us" as a metric of "All is well".
    I think he's still doing his monthly stream along with a monthly newsletter, so it's not like he's gone dark.

    I just haven't cared enough to follow much other than what I read others have to say on the subreddit.
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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 17,586
    edited February 2022
    Kyleran said:
    Ungood said:
    Scot said:
    Ungood said:
    Scot said:
    Again, I think the most important takeaway from this thread is that MJ seems to have totally withdrawn from the CU community.  His last post was in November and only a handful in the months prior.

    That, more than anything is not a good sign.

    Or maybe... he's grinding away and will pop up again with a  super-Jesus-patch...
    This to me strikes a much more important note than the NDA in fact.
    Lets be honest, after dealing with posters like Slapshot for several years, I can fully respect why he would need to take a break from the "Community" as it were.

    Also, if MJ secured other funding by other larger backers, perhaps, given how abrasive MJ can be, he might have been told by his new handlers to lay off and let the PR professionals handle the PR part of the job.

    As far as the NDA goes, at the end of the day, If there is nothing to gain by changing the contract, there is no motive to change it. Some people are just too daft to grasp that one.
    He does not need to engage with anyone and he could ignore anyone who does try to engage with him. All he has to do is a post now and then, you must see how this looks bad?
    I haven't been paying attention in CU that much as of late, kinda fell off my radar a few years back TBH, but, really, as long as someone is saying something, even if it's just some intern giving a paltry updates, that is all that really needs to happen. MJ himself does not need to get directly involved in everything all the time.

    I mean if the whole company went silent, yah, that would be a worry.

    But, as long as someone is sounding off to you all, that should be enough. 

    And lets not forget that JW "Caspian" never shut up the whole time he was ripping ya all off, in fact, last I looked, the guy is still spewing the bullshit.. so I would not use "hE nEeDs To TaLk To Us" as a metric of "All is well".
    I think he's still doing his monthly stream along with a monthly newsletter, so it's not like he's gone dark.

    I just haven't cared enough to follow much other than what I read others have to say on the subreddit.
    Actually he skipped the last monthly stream because.. as the stand in said "Mark's really busy".

    So maybe he's cooking up that Jesus patch somewhere that will make us Believers again...

    The newsletter...  come on.. we all know nobody has opened one in years.
    I just opened up the last one (number 86!!! SHEEEZZZ) and from skimming it seems he has left it up to "Kara" to take over the communication of it.

    I really hope it's the Jesus patch.. because just capturing half of the old DAoC magic would make it better than most other games I have tried since.
    Kyleran[Deleted User]YashaX

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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,780
    Slapshot1188 said:
    Again, I think the most important takeaway from this thread is that MJ seems to have totally withdrawn from the CU community.  His last post was in November and only a handful in the months prior.

    That, more than anything is not a good sign.

    Or maybe... he's grinding away and will pop up again with a  super-Jesus-patch...



    I strongly suspect he's just avoiding any community interaction as he doesn't want to rehash things and doesn't want to deal with community ire.

    Also, he doesn't seem to be very adept at speaking with the community. Not a strong point at all.
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  • ConstantineMerusConstantineMerus Member EpicPosts: 3,338
    Wargfoot said:
    Slapshot1188 said:
    Don't mind him.  He's just here for me :)

    Aren't we all?
    And I thought you were here for me. 

    :(

    WTF man. 
    UngoodSovrath
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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 17,586
    ConstantineMerus said:
    Wargfoot said:
    Slapshot1188 said:
    Don't mind him.  He's just here for me :)

    Aren't we all?
    And I thought you were here for me. 

    :(

    WTF man. 
    No that's me.  I'M HERE FOR YOU!

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  • UngoodUngood Member LegendaryPosts: 7,534
    ConstantineMerus said:
    Wargfoot said:
    Slapshot1188 said:
    Don't mind him.  He's just here for me :)

    Aren't we all?
    And I thought you were here for me. 

    :(

    WTF man. 
    Alright.. THAT was some funny! 
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 43,975
    Ungood said:
    ConstantineMerus said:
    Wargfoot said:
    Slapshot1188 said:
    Don't mind him.  He's just here for me :)

    Aren't we all?
    And I thought you were here for me. 

    :(

    WTF man. 
    Alright.. THAT was some funny! 
    Ok I figured you were all just stalking me, now I'm hurt.


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  • ConstantineMerusConstantineMerus Member EpicPosts: 3,338
    Kyleran said:
    Ungood said:
    ConstantineMerus said:
    Wargfoot said:
    Slapshot1188 said:
    Don't mind him.  He's just here for me :)

    Aren't we all?
    And I thought you were here for me. 

    :(

    WTF man. 
    Alright.. THAT was some funny! 
    Ok I figured you were all just stalking me, now I'm hurt.


    No, let me explain, Slap thought Ungood was here for him, turned out Wargfoot and others are here for him too, and I thought Wargfoot was here for me, but apparently it was Slap, whom everyone was here for him, was here for me, now I'm here for you, so, in way, everyone is here for you by proxy.

    See, no need to feel hurt anymore. Cheer up. 
    KyleranUngood
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  • nursonurso Member UncommonPosts: 327
    The newsletter...  come on.. we all know nobody has opened one in years.

    I read every newsletter. So at least one of us opens the newsletter ;)

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  • BruceYeeBruceYee Member EpicPosts: 2,556
    We have to come to terms with the possibility that he just used CU to earn funds to build his unchained engine. I mean... Ragnarok on Steam is LITERALLY an engine demo...

    A person with any intent to create what he'd promised would've been further along with development 7 years in... He doesn't have the excuse of not knowing what to do like these other first time MMO kickstarter projects...

    It's a shame that he sullied his name for 1.5 mil but maybe he felt like it was worth it for the cash idk... I've seen Dateline where people do crazy shit for even crazier shit so who knows...
  • nursonurso Member UncommonPosts: 327
    BruceYee said:
    We have to come to terms with the possibility that he just used CU to earn funds to build his unchained engine. I mean... Ragnarok on Steam is LITERALLY an engine demo...
    As far as I know, the decision to develop their own engine was only made when commercial engines proved inadequate for CU's unique selling points.

    And if they have already decided on their own custom engine, then it is also obvious to make more out of it than just a flash in the pan and immediately mothballed it again straight away.

    And no, Ragnarok is not yet a proper engine demo, IMO. It simply lacks key-moments that cannot be achieved with any other engine.
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  • user298user298 Member UncommonPosts: 152
    edited February 2022
    The newsletter...  come on.. we all know nobody has opened one in years.
    I still read the newsletters because they provide endless source of entertainment. Like the people at CSE posting doctored screenshots of wooden dicks in them: https://imgur.com/a/Y293XNp

    That's a real screenshot from their https://camelotunchained.com/v3/ending-the-year-on-a-fast-note-thursday-december-23rd-2021/

    Or like in latest newsletter, where after over 8 years of development, they announced that they finally started to record live sounds of piece of metal hitting another piece of metal:
    https://mcusercontent.com/2b70fd18d895dd960141bac55/files/296e6b33-9a5a-62fc-7365-25f3d3d35721/_1_OnLocation_RealSword.wav

    Kyleran
  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 17,586
    nurso said:
    The newsletter...  come on.. we all know nobody has opened one in years.

    I read every newsletter. So at least one of us opens the newsletter ;)

    How much time did you spend playing CU last month?

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  • YashaXYashaX Member EpicPosts: 3,100
    nurso said:
    BruceYee said:
    We have to come to terms with the possibility that he just used CU to earn funds to build his unchained engine. I mean... Ragnarok on Steam is LITERALLY an engine demo...
    As far as I know, the decision to develop their own engine was only made when commercial engines proved inadequate for CU's unique selling points.

    What do you consider to be "CU's unique selling points"?
    ....
  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 17,586
    edited February 2022
    YashaX said:
    nurso said:
    BruceYee said:
    We have to come to terms with the possibility that he just used CU to earn funds to build his unchained engine. I mean... Ragnarok on Steam is LITERALLY an engine demo...
    As far as I know, the decision to develop their own engine was only made when commercial engines proved inadequate for CU's unique selling points.

    What do you consider to be "CU's unique selling points"?

    The newsletters and the fancy webshop where you can spend thousands of dollars at one time.
    Their shop is anything but fancy...  Maybe part of the problem.  He never pursued more backer cash seriously.
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  • BLNXBLNX Member UncommonPosts: 275
    edited February 2022
    Ever wish you had 10k to throw away just so you can be more outraged than everyone else?
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