So Torval tried to be our chief grammar Nazi recently with his indignation about apostrophes. Not to have my crown taken lightly let me say right now that it is "a" before a word that does not start with a vowel, and "an" before a word that does, so it is "a MMO".
I was taught that it's "an" if it sounds like a vowel, so in the case of MMO (em em mo), it would be "an". But who am I, teachers teach the wrong thing all the time.
You are incorrect. There is no invisible e when pronouncing the letter M. If the word were empire, then you would be correct.
I now wonder how you pronounce MMORPG, because it really sounds like Em Em Oo Ar Pee Gee. It is also, most definitely, written as an MMORPG. Just like an RPG actually, unlesspeople pronounce that awkwardly too.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
Sorry are you Eminem in real life?
"M" does not have an "E" sound before it, if we get any more of this I will ask @Torval to speak to you and he is draconian in such matters.
Most vital thing to me in any MMO. When crafting in a game sucks, it is very hard for the MMO to convince me to stay. It has to be fun somehow and it has to produce usefull things. I like to equip my bunch of chars myself, don't care much about drops, if it is possible. I don't need the best gear available, if the game stays fun and crafting as well. Offer a MMO without crafting these days and I won't even play a beta.
I can't belive no one has mention the BEST CRAFTING SYSTEM EVER. The one from SWG. Where even with excact same resources you could have different stats on the same item based on, what YOU the crafter do while making the item. Part of this is also due to the fact that resources on SWG changed every week to two weeks. So once that resouce was gone, it was gone for good. You had to actually go out and survey to find the good resources. This involved time and even travel to different planets. This was so important that people could make good money from waypoints to good resource spawn sites
Top 3 MMO's PRE-CU SWG GW1 GW2
Worst 2 wow and Lotro Under standing stones it went woke
So Torval tried to be our chief grammar Nazi recently with his indignation about apostrophes. Not to have my crown taken lightly let me say right now that it is "a" before a word that does not start with a vowel, and "an" before a word that does, so it is "a MMO".
I was taught that it's "an" if it sounds like a vowel, so in the case of MMO (em em mo), it would be "an". But who am I, teachers teach the wrong thing all the time.
You are incorrect. There is no invisible e when pronouncing the letter M. If the word were empire, then you would be correct.
I now wonder how you pronounce MMORPG, because it really sounds like Em Em Oo Ar Pee Gee. It is also, most definitely, written as an MMORPG. Just like an RPG actually, unlesspeople pronounce that awkwardly too.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
Sorry are you Eminem in real life?
"M" does not have an "E" sound before it, if we get any more of this I will ask @Torval to speak to you and he is draconian in such matters.
Sorry mate. It is based on the following sound, not the letter.
Do you say it is a honor or an honor? Again, based on the sound, not the letter.
You can find a lot of academic articles which always write an MRI and never a MRI.
Constantine, The Console Poster
"One of the most difficult tasks men can perform, however much others may despise it, is the invention of good games and it cannot be done by men out of touch with their instinctive selves." - Carl Jung
So Torval tried to be our chief grammar Nazi recently with his indignation about apostrophes. Not to have my crown taken lightly let me say right now that it is "a" before a word that does not start with a vowel, and "an" before a word that does, so it is "a MMO".
I was taught that it's "an" if it sounds like a vowel, so in the case of MMO (em em mo), it would be "an". But who am I, teachers teach the wrong thing all the time.
You are incorrect. There is no invisible e when pronouncing the letter M. If the word were empire, then you would be correct.
I now wonder how you pronounce MMORPG, because it really sounds like Em Em Oo Ar Pee Gee. It is also, most definitely, written as an MMORPG. Just like an RPG actually, unlesspeople pronounce that awkwardly too.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
Sorry are you Eminem in real life?
"M" does not have an "E" sound before it, if we get any more of this I will ask @Torval to speak to you and he is draconian in such matters.
Sorry mate. It is based on the following sound, not the letter.
Do you say it is a honor or an honor? Again, based on the sound, not the letter.
You can find a lot of academic articles which always write an MRI and never a MRI.
Maybe this is a difference in speech patterns? Perhaps our American cousins are having problems with the Queen's English again?
I really don't know, but I have noticed over the years that loads of gamers use "an MMO", so something is going on. You hear a honour or an honour, but it should be a honour. With a "u" obviously ( ). Now in the previous sentence it seemed more natural to use 'a' not 'an', it is a rule that does not always come naturally to vocalisation.
I am a total loon when it comes to crafting. I have even made ten alts to make everything in Vanguard and had to quit from the strain as crafting in that game required some quick timed actions that ended my crafting career in a jiffy.
I am one of those people who must have every crafter and am totally invested in crafting and enjoy the mechanics and I loved the crafting in Fallen Earth. Here is an excerpt of what I posted on it
Every damn thing I mean literally everything can be crafted. The crafting is so incredible because when you want to make a gun for instance, I just made my scoped TempestTech SG-42 and I had to make stock, barrel, automatic action, the scope and each item will require wood, metals different types and glass or plastic and gears and it is no mean feat to make any weapon especially in the higher levels. You also learn how to refine metals and other resources. Nothing is simple except in the lower levels. It is indeed a crafter's dream. After you make one of these multi craft items and the final product is in your hands you feel such a great feeling of accomplishment.
This is the reason people craft. That feeling of accomplishment that you cannot get via clicking on it on the auction house and paying money for that same item.
So Torval tried to be our chief grammar Nazi recently with his indignation about apostrophes. Not to have my crown taken lightly let me say right now that it is "a" before a word that does not start with a vowel, and "an" before a word that does, so it is "a MMO".
I was taught that it's "an" if it sounds like a vowel, so in the case of MMO (em em mo), it would be "an". But who am I, teachers teach the wrong thing all the time.
You are incorrect. There is no invisible e when pronouncing the letter M. If the word were empire, then you would be correct.
I now wonder how you pronounce MMORPG, because it really sounds like Em Em Oo Ar Pee Gee. It is also, most definitely, written as an MMORPG. Just like an RPG actually, unlesspeople pronounce that awkwardly too.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
Sorry are you Eminem in real life?
"M" does not have an "E" sound before it, if we get any more of this I will ask @Torval to speak to you and he is draconian in such matters.
Sorry mate. It is based on the following sound, not the letter.
Do you say it is a honor or an honor? Again, based on the sound, not the letter.
You can find a lot of academic articles which always write an MRI and never a MRI.
Maybe this is a difference in speech patterns? Perhaps our American cousins are having problems with the Queen's English again?
I really don't know, but I have noticed over the years that loads of gamers use "an MMO", so something is going on. You hear a honour or an honour, but it should be a honour. With a "u" obviously ( ). Now in the previous sentence it seemed more natural to use 'a' not 'an', it is a rule that does not always come naturally to vocalisation.
It doesn't rely on what we write, but the sound. Again, like "an hour", "a European", "an FBI agent". Try to say a FBI agent, it would sound like you are tripping down the stairs!
Another funny example is British "a herbal tea" vs American "an herbal tea" since somehow across the pound they hate the sound of H at the beginning of that word!
Constantine, The Console Poster
"One of the most difficult tasks men can perform, however much others may despise it, is the invention of good games and it cannot be done by men out of touch with their instinctive selves." - Carl Jung
It's Ass before Arse, except after Pee, then you just take a shit.
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
So Torval tried to be our chief grammar Nazi recently with his indignation about apostrophes. Not to have my crown taken lightly let me say right now that it is "a" before a word that does not start with a vowel, and "an" before a word that does, so it is "a MMO".
I was taught that it's "an" if it sounds like a vowel, so in the case of MMO (em em mo), it would be "an". But who am I, teachers teach the wrong thing all the time.
You are incorrect. There is no invisible e when pronouncing the letter M. If the word were empire, then you would be correct.
That is a preposterous position. The whole reason "an" exists is to ease pronunciation.
I challenge you to find any English grammar guide that says it's about the actual vowel and not the vowel sound. I can point to at least a dozen that say it's about the sound.
Without getting too detailed, I love crafting in my MMOs. I also want interdependency. Some games allow players to learn all trade skills and I'm not really into that.
That everyone can do everything is a really big turnoff. The real world doesn't work like that, and especially the ancient/middle ages that most fantasy games are based on. Learning a trade skill is difficult, and those that know how to do something tended to keep the trade secrets to themselves. That was the foundation of trade guilds. "I'm a master potter and if you want to learn, you'll need to pay me to teach you the trade." (plus work for me for a pittance for far longer than you really want to).
Real world crafting isn't something that fits comfortably into games. The "push button, get item" model is all too gamified.
Logic, my dear, merely enables one to be wrong with great authority.
So Torval tried to be our chief grammar Nazi recently with his indignation about apostrophes. Not to have my crown taken lightly let me say right now that it is "a" before a word that does not start with a vowel, and "an" before a word that does, so it is "a MMO".
I was taught that it's "an" if it sounds like a vowel, so in the case of MMO (em em mo), it would be "an". But who am I, teachers teach the wrong thing all the time.
You are incorrect. There is no invisible e when pronouncing the letter M. If the word were empire, then you would be correct.
I now wonder how you pronounce MMORPG, because it really sounds like Em Em Oo Ar Pee Gee. It is also, most definitely, written as an MMORPG. Just like an RPG actually, unlesspeople pronounce that awkwardly too.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
Sorry are you Eminem in real life?
"M" does not have an "E" sound before it, if we get any more of this I will ask @Torval to speak to you and he is draconian in such matters.
Sorry mate. It is based on the following sound, not the letter.
Do you say it is a honor or an honor? Again, based on the sound, not the letter.
You can find a lot of academic articles which always write an MRI and never a MRI.
Maybe this is a difference in speech patterns? Perhaps our American cousins are having problems with the Queen's English again?
I really don't know, but I have noticed over the years that loads of gamers use "an MMO", so something is going on. You hear a honour or an honour, but it should be a honour. With a "u" obviously ( ). Now in the previous sentence it seemed more natural to use 'a' not 'an', it is a rule that does not always come naturally to vocalisation.
In the UK, it was far more frequent to treat any acronym as needing an 'a'. In the US, it is almost always based on the sound; a vowel sound requires 'an' and a consonant uses 'a'. I will use 'an MMO' and 'an MMORPG', so it doesn't seem to be a hard-and-fast rule on either side of the pond.
So, you're both right. (And you misspelled 'honor' and 'vocalization'. And you'll think I've misspelt 'misspelled', no doubt)
Logic, my dear, merely enables one to be wrong with great authority.
Never understood why games wouldn't marry drops and crafting. I.e: Drops can have innate magical/physical properties, but have higher potentials that can be met only if worked by the appropriate crafter.
Alternatively, the mobs drop rare crafting items only. These items, when used by the appropriate crafter, imbue magical properties/push the physical properties beyond what's normally possible.
In a game like this, I'd spend a fair amount of time building out systems that encourage trader guilds to hire out mercenary guilds to gather reagents/guard them while they gather rare reagents in dangerous places, and encourages mercenary guilds to seek out trader guilds to commission arms and armor. Specifically some kind of contract system that, say, reduced the market tax (a pure gold sink) on purchasing components/finished products. The whole system would, ideally, encourage merc/trader guilds to enter into standing contracts to do business with each other.
Such a game would require that all items eventually degraded beyond repair.
Never understood why games wouldn't marry drops and crafting. I.e: Drops can have innate magical/physical properties, but have higher potentials that can be met only if worked by the appropriate crafter.
Alternatively, the mobs drop rare crafting items only. These items, when used by the appropriate crafter, imbue magical properties/push the physical properties beyond what's normally possible.
In a game like this, I'd spend a fair amount of time building out systems that encourage trader guilds to hire out mercenary guilds to gather reagents/guard them while they gather rare reagents in dangerous places, and encourages mercenary guilds to seek out trader guilds to commission arms and armor. Specifically some kind of contract system that, say, reduced the market tax (a pure gold sink) on purchasing components/finished products. The whole system would, ideally, encourage merc/trader guilds to enter into standing contracts to do business with each other.
Such a game would require that all items eventually degraded beyond repair.
So Torval tried to be our chief grammar Nazi recently with his indignation about apostrophes. Not to have my crown taken lightly let me say right now that it is "a" before a word that does not start with a vowel, and "an" before a word that does, so it is "a MMO".
I was taught that it's "an" if it sounds like a vowel, so in the case of MMO (em em mo), it would be "an". But who am I, teachers teach the wrong thing all the time.
You are incorrect. There is no invisible e when pronouncing the letter M. If the word were empire, then you would be correct.
That is a preposterous position. The whole reason "an" exists is to ease pronunciation.
I challenge you to find any English grammar guide that says it's about the actual vowel and not the vowel sound. I can point to at least a dozen that say it's about the sound.
You are quite right, the " 'an' before a vowel" is just an example of how you can use it to ease pronunciation. As we have seen different ways of pronunciation just throw a fast rule out the window.
Constantine, "an herbal tea" is a real abomination, far worse than EmEmOo for MMO.
I am absolutely in love with crafting in games. HOWEVER, most games have crappy boring crafting systems.
I remember playing world of warcraft back when. I had a ton of light leather and I learned my next tier recipe. Low and behold, it required MEDIUM LEATHER. Which didn't make sense to me. Why can't I craft a more basic lower stat version using LIGHT LEATHER. There is literally no reason to force players to use specific items in a recipe. The same can be said for any crafting.
Lets say you are cooking food. You can make soup with stock and potatoes or you can make soup with stock and meat. There is no reason to limit the players creativity. And with each type of material used, you would get various resulting stats. So a potato soup might boost health while a chicken soup might boost magic regen. Or you could mix potatoes and chicken and get both boosts going. Weak examples but examples none the less. Making armor, you can make leather armor using rabbit skin and end up with a rabbit skin leather armor or you can use deer skin ending up with deer skin leather armor, each unique in look and has their own unique stats. You could take that crafting system and make it more in-depth where even though you skinned 100 deer, each leather material you got has its own quality level attached to it, which in itself will result in various stats that go with it. And then crafting an item using various quality levels means varying levels of finished armor. Making the game super dynamic crafting wise.
There was only one game that had such a system. Star Wars Galaxies. Sadly I missed out on SWG because I only played about a year before they shut down in 2003. And then the other star wars game came out (the old republic) and its crafting system was super boring and kind of b/s.
Hopefully, the new MMORPG from Raph Coster (Ultima Online, SWG) will have an in depth crafting system that will allow people like me to sink our teeth into running our own shops. Exploring by day for materials and selling by night after having crafted items. Being that "go to shop" because they sell the things you want/need. I hate where modern mmorpgs are going. More and more they become like a single player game that you can just so happen to play with friends. The original idea of an MMORPG was a living breathing world. SURE back then we didn't have the technology to do that. We do now. And even if you think we don't, we have the hardware to run it, just need that one genius to see it through to creation.
TLDR Crafting is so fun for me, and yet no games have a decent system to enjoy. Games need to evolve and yet they seem to be going backwards.
So Torval tried to be our chief grammar Nazi recently with his indignation about apostrophes. Not to have my crown taken lightly let me say right now that it is "a" before a word that does not start with a vowel, and "an" before a word that does, so it is "a MMO".
I was taught that it's "an" if it sounds like a vowel, so in the case of MMO (em em mo), it would be "an". But who am I, teachers teach the wrong thing all the time.
You are incorrect. There is no invisible e when pronouncing the letter M. If the word were empire, then you would be correct.
I now wonder how you pronounce MMORPG, because it really sounds like Em Em Oo Ar Pee Gee. It is also, most definitely, written as an MMORPG. Just like an RPG actually, unlesspeople pronounce that awkwardly too.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
Sorry are you Eminem in real life?
"M" does not have an "E" sound before it, if we get any more of this I will ask @Torval to speak to you and he is draconian in such matters.
Don't forget the "English" alphabet is the Latin alphabet, so yes the M pronunciation is EM. The same way you would say the word "Ever".
Maybe this is a difference in speech patterns? Perhaps our American cousins are having problems with the Queen's English again?
I really don't know, but I have noticed over the years that loads of gamers use "an MMO", so something is going on. You hear a honour or an honour, but it should be a honour. With a "u" obviously ( ). Now in the previous sentence it seemed more natural to use 'a' not 'an', it is a rule that does not always come naturally to vocalisation.
It doesn't rely on what we write, but the sound. Again, like "an hour", "a European", "an FBI agent". Try to say a FBI agent, it would sound like you are tripping down the stairs!
Another funny example is British "a herbal tea" vs American "an herbal tea" since somehow across the pound they hate the sound of H at the beginning of that word!
Scot gives me too much credit. haha
I agree with you and so do the sources I use to keep me in check. I have to check my grammar all the time because English is such a footloose language (my opinion) with its rules and then many exceptions to them.
By the way, "a herbal tea" is still incorrect even if it's colloquially accepted.
I try not to make a correction when we're chatting on the forums. It's a place to cut loose and speak informally. On the other hand, a published article on a gaming news and discussion site should be held to a bit higher standard right? I make continuity mistakes all the time though so I'm not trying to be pedantic or condescending. I personally think proper grammar is important to good communication in an age where I feel that is crumbling rapidly. Plus, I love language and playing with it so discussions around grammar, usage, and phrasing are fun to me.
I was just getting worried about your absence. Welcome back mate
Constantine, The Console Poster
"One of the most difficult tasks men can perform, however much others may despise it, is the invention of good games and it cannot be done by men out of touch with their instinctive selves." - Carl Jung
It's herb with a hard H. and yes we say a herbal tea.
Yes I know the feeling. Maybe we should do something about it ourselves.
Constantine, The Console Poster
"One of the most difficult tasks men can perform, however much others may despise it, is the invention of good games and it cannot be done by men out of touch with their instinctive selves." - Carl Jung
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"M" does not have an "E" sound before it, if we get any more of this I will ask @Torval to speak to you and he is draconian in such matters.
Top 3 MMO's PRE-CU SWG GW1 GW2
Worst 2 wow and Lotro Under standing stones it went woke
Do you say it is a honor or an honor? Again, based on the sound, not the letter.
You can find a lot of academic articles which always write an MRI and never a MRI.
I really don't know, but I have noticed over the years that loads of gamers use "an MMO", so something is going on. You hear a honour or an honour, but it should be a honour. With a "u" obviously (
I am one of those people who must have every crafter and am totally invested in crafting and enjoy the mechanics and I loved the crafting in Fallen Earth. Here is an excerpt of what I posted on it
Every damn thing I mean literally everything can be crafted. The crafting is so incredible because when you want to make a gun for instance, I just made my scoped TempestTech SG-42 and I had to make stock, barrel, automatic action, the scope and each item will require wood, metals different types and glass or plastic and gears and it is no mean feat to make any weapon especially in the higher levels. You also learn how to refine metals and other resources. Nothing is simple except in the lower levels. It is indeed a crafter's dream. After you make one of these multi craft items and the final product is in your hands you feel such a great feeling of accomplishment.
This is the reason people craft. That feeling of accomplishment that you cannot get via clicking on it on the auction house and paying money for that same item.
Another funny example is British "a herbal tea" vs American "an herbal tea" since somehow across the pound they hate the sound of H at the beginning of that word!
Kraft can sometime make monies happy.
That is a preposterous position. The whole reason "an" exists is to ease pronunciation.
I challenge you to find any English grammar guide that says it's about the actual vowel and not the vowel sound. I can point to at least a dozen that say it's about the sound.
Logic, my dear, merely enables one to be wrong with great authority.
Logic, my dear, merely enables one to be wrong with great authority.
Alternatively, the mobs drop rare crafting items only. These items, when used by the appropriate crafter, imbue magical properties/push the physical properties beyond what's normally possible.
In a game like this, I'd spend a fair amount of time building out systems that encourage trader guilds to hire out mercenary guilds to gather reagents/guard them while they gather rare reagents in dangerous places, and encourages mercenary guilds to seek out trader guilds to commission arms and armor. Specifically some kind of contract system that, say, reduced the market tax (a pure gold sink) on purchasing components/finished products. The whole system would, ideally, encourage merc/trader guilds to enter into standing contracts to do business with each other.
Such a game would require that all items eventually degraded beyond repair.
https://www.istaria.com/
Constantine, "an herbal tea" is a real abomination, far worse than EmEmOo for MMO.
I remember playing world of warcraft back when. I had a ton of light leather and I learned my next tier recipe. Low and behold, it required MEDIUM LEATHER. Which didn't make sense to me. Why can't I craft a more basic lower stat version using LIGHT LEATHER. There is literally no reason to force players to use specific items in a recipe. The same can be said for any crafting.
Lets say you are cooking food. You can make soup with stock and potatoes or you can make soup with stock and meat. There is no reason to limit the players creativity. And with each type of material used, you would get various resulting stats. So a potato soup might boost health while a chicken soup might boost magic regen. Or you could mix potatoes and chicken and get both boosts going. Weak examples but examples none the less. Making armor, you can make leather armor using rabbit skin and end up with a rabbit skin leather armor or you can use deer skin ending up with deer skin leather armor, each unique in look and has their own unique stats. You could take that crafting system and make it more in-depth where even though you skinned 100 deer, each leather material you got has its own quality level attached to it, which in itself will result in various stats that go with it. And then crafting an item using various quality levels means varying levels of finished armor. Making the game super dynamic crafting wise.
There was only one game that had such a system. Star Wars Galaxies. Sadly I missed out on SWG because I only played about a year before they shut down in 2003. And then the other star wars game came out (the old republic) and its crafting system was super boring and kind of b/s.
Hopefully, the new MMORPG from Raph Coster (Ultima Online, SWG) will have an in depth crafting system that will allow people like me to sink our teeth into running our own shops. Exploring by day for materials and selling by night after having crafted items. Being that "go to shop" because they sell the things you want/need. I hate where modern mmorpgs are going. More and more they become like a single player game that you can just so happen to play with friends. The original idea of an MMORPG was a living breathing world. SURE back then we didn't have the technology to do that. We do now. And even if you think we don't, we have the hardware to run it, just need that one genius to see it through to creation.
TLDR Crafting is so fun for me, and yet no games have a decent system to enjoy. Games need to evolve and yet they seem to be going backwards.
Yes I know the feeling. Maybe we should do something about it ourselves.