I quit two resets ago at 1346 ilvl. I didn't quit because of the honing or P2W nature of the Argos release. Although they were both big negatives. I quit because it got really, really boring.
Chaos dungeons, guardian raids, unas and weekly stuff just got really old especially when you are encouraged to play many alts to feed your main. I didn't have much fun at all the last week or two of playing, it was just daily chores. I was so bored doing the daily stuff that I wanted to log off immediately after rather than search out more islands and other horizontal progression.
My opinion is that the game has some serious flaws with its core design that will never work long term in the west for a sizable population. Although their biggest issue is the lack of bot detection. They kill the market completely for anyone that wants to farm. The only players that benefitted the most economically are those that hit the highest content soonest, making whaling even more P2W.
While playing other classes could be fun. They mostly fall under a similar rotation of cooldown based skills for AOE, stagger, counter and maybe single target. They didn't feel nearly as diverse as say Marvel Heroes playable heroes. I assume artillerist and bard were more diverse than most LA classes though.
I'm right at 100 hours played, and am fading fast. I've hit the grind to 460 (and barely made that), now am working on the quests to release the next levels of the game. I'm getting bored, and will have to start with another alt soon. But even that experience is boring, as many of the game mechanics are shared between the various characters -- Mokoko seeds, Cards, and the various 1-time / account loot boxes.
The biggest problem that I have with LA is actually the quest system. You will take a quest, and entirely too often, all you have to do is run back and forth between NPCs. Some times the travel distance is close; sometimes you need to run to another island (or two). Movement from place to place isn't exactly a thrill, despite the rather good landscape graphics. Move, click, and watch a cut scene is the basic game play loop. That's just not going to keep me interested much longer.
Then add in the countless currencies, and indirect currencies that you can only exchange at specific merchants for specific items. It's a bit overwhelming for LA to be considered for a 'casual' player, like myself. Even knowing when to open one of the myriad loot box chest requires significant understanding. Gaming is my hobby, not a profession.
LA has some good points. The stories are actually pretty good; other games could do themselves a favor with some of landscape graphics; there is a wide variety of cosmetic costumes and mounts which add some visual flair to the game. But the run here and watch that play loop is very limited and will soon claim another victim.
If you think that's a grind you may as well quit now. I would check out an island guide to get mats to level up. Once you get to 600 or whatever you should have enough mats to get close to 1000. I think i went from 600 to 1k in a day, but getting to 1100 was a bit of a drag and it just goes downhill from there.
I think the dev stated before launch he figured the game would have 200K plus concurrent users, which is about what it has most busy nights, if you count bot accounts lol. Still it seems bust enough to find groups ect, and no queues so win win.
I am not sure if the bot problem is exaggerated or not. I play on NA East on Elzowin. I have seen lots of good seller spam, but have only seen one bot train and that was in a 1302 lvl chaos gate. I have around 320 hours in
Anyway, yea, no! As @FrodoFragins said, it's not about the grind nor the P2W aspect of the game. Is about how boring the (end) game have become for me. You would spend no more then .. 2 hours top on your main per day and then switch asap to your alts so you can .. "gear" up your main.....doing THE same things you do with your main : Chaos Dungons, Raids.
What's worst, is that they are not even "different" Dungeons. Most of the time they look the same.
Even D3 random Rifts have more diversity than Lost Ark Dungeons and Raids maps.
Sorry but ...
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I am not sure if the bot problem is exaggerated or not. I play on NA East on Elzowin. I have seen lots of good seller spam, but have only seen one bot train and that was in a 1302 lvl chaos gate. I have around 320 hours in
They've advanced to doing instances but still grind those world items to sell too. Advertising bots are a small percentage of total bots.
I am not sure if the bot problem is exaggerated or not. I play on NA East on Elzowin. I have seen lots of good seller spam, but have only seen one bot train and that was in a 1302 lvl chaos gate. I have around 320 hours in
They've advanced to doing instances but still grind those world items to sell too. Advertising bots are a small percentage of total bots.
They can do instances , wow I have seriously underestimated what bots can do.
I am not sure if the bot problem is exaggerated or not. I play on NA East on Elzowin. I have seen lots of good seller spam, but have only seen one bot train and that was in a 1302 lvl chaos gate. I have around 320 hours in
They've advanced to doing instances but still grind those world items to sell too. Advertising bots are a small percentage of total bots.
They can do instances , wow I have seriously underestimated what bots can do.
We get them regularly on here, offering to do our posts for us.
Quite frankly after watching through a couple videos I have no idea why anyone would want to play this - it just looks completely absurd to me. Its just the same boring stuff again, and the classes are just absurdly trivial.
Every class gets like half a douzen attacks and apparently thats it, without any upgrade, EVER ?!?!? Everyone gets AoEs. All thats different is the animations etc.
I do like the whole "2.5D perspective" though. I wouldnt mind that one.
Quite frankly after watching through a couple videos I have no idea why anyone would want to play this - it just looks completely absurd to me. Its just the same boring stuff again, and the classes are just absurdly trivial.
Every class gets like half a douzen attacks and apparently thats it, without any upgrade, EVER ?!?!? Everyone gets AoEs. All thats different is the animations etc.
I do like the whole "2.5D perspective" though. I wouldnt mind that one.
The combat is positional and also has a lot of combos. It is way more complicated than the click press older MMOs. I found that I was relieved it had less buttons to press I was struggling. This isn't a game where you're staring at multiple bars of skills but rather how you use those skills you have at the right time while moving around. I found it way more difficult than the older MMOs I'm used to. If you want there are classes with multiple weapons that switch to another set of skill bars too like the gunslinger. The combat is not the thing one complains about in this game, that is quite solid and well done.
The population is at 400k according to the charts. It's doing fine in my opnion.
The game stabilized at around 350k peak each day and has grown a little bit since the last news update. I honestly thought they'd keep on the player loss trajectory until say 250k. so good on them.
Shouldn't mmorpg.com have a weekly news post about its decline?
Shouldn't the usual buzzards be circling the soon to be corpse with clever posts like "tick... tick... tick..." or some such?
Interested observers would like to know why no one is talking about this
What's there to talk about? It's a natural process - people try out new game, and when it starts to bore them they quit playing it. In case of extremely shallow games it happens more rapidly than with some other games. I personally only lasted few days to fully realize that this game is not for me, and since I am not a Twitch streamer (many of whom keep milking newly released games even though they dislike them) - I just stopped playing and instead played other games
Quite frankly after watching through a couple videos I have no idea why anyone would want to play this - it just looks completely absurd to me. Its just the same boring stuff again, and the classes are just absurdly trivial.
Every class gets like half a douzen attacks and apparently thats it, without any upgrade, EVER ?!?!? Everyone gets AoEs. All thats different is the animations etc.
I do like the whole "2.5D perspective" though. I wouldnt mind that one.
Please see the "People will play garbage" thread........
I am not sure if the bot problem is exaggerated or not. I play on NA East on Elzowin. I have seen lots of good seller spam, but have only seen one bot train and that was in a 1302 lvl chaos gate. I have around 320 hours in
They've advanced to doing instances but still grind those world items to sell too. Advertising bots are a small percentage of total bots.
They can do instances , wow I have seriously underestimated what bots can do.
Bots have pretty much taken over MMORPGs. As Farmville's problems with the tax man showed us, there's also a very lucrative business under the radar with game companies auctioning off volume sales to those guys, which they turn around and sell too. That's a lot of money for the game companies. I'm sure it doesn't affect game designs though, right? ( <- snark)
Considering that it has now been two months since Lost Ark launched, if we're going to debate the meaning of its player numbers, shouldn't we be debating more recent numbers than only one month after launch?
Considering that it has now been two months since Lost Ark launched, if we're going to debate the meaning of its player numbers, shouldn't we be debating more recent numbers than only one month after launch?
I think we need a much longer period of time to see how it's really going. So many games have started with decent to large numbers, claims of success because huge numbers try them out, but then fade into also-ran-ness.
Considering that it has now been two months since Lost Ark launched, if we're going to debate the meaning of its player numbers, shouldn't we be debating more recent numbers than only one month after launch?
Anecdotal evidence, the past two nights two servers on US East went to Busy, first time in a while that's happened.
More players returning? Or did AGS lower the thresholds to make it appear more busy?
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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Considering that it has now been two months since Lost Ark launched, if we're going to debate the meaning of its player numbers, shouldn't we be debating more recent numbers than only one month after launch?
Anecdotal evidence, the past two nights two servers on US East went to Busy, first time in a while that's happened.
More players returning? Or did AGS lower the thresholds to make it appear more busy?
Have there been been some "quality of life" updates that have sped up the game to attract the butterflies back? If not I guess there was nothing after ER to keep them sated and the are returning to old fields.
Considering that it has now been two months since Lost Ark launched, if we're going to debate the meaning of its player numbers, shouldn't we be debating more recent numbers than only one month after launch?
Anecdotal evidence, the past two nights two servers on US East went to Busy, first time in a while that's happened.
More players returning? Or did AGS lower the thresholds to make it appear more busy?
Have there been been some "quality of life" updates that have sped up the game to attract the butterflies back? If not I guess there was nothing after ER to keep them sated and the are returning to old fields.
New World : a game you never played, yet you judge the "quality of life" modifications made to the game like if you were an expert and veteran player.
Lost Ark : a game you never played, yet you judge the "quality of life" modifications made to the game like if you were an expert and veteran player.
There are many things you can talk about games even if you don't play them, but the value and necessity of some QOL changes can only be appreciated by active players who have a good bunch of hours playing under the belt.
Maybe you should try to play some of the newer games sometimes, instead of just talking about stuff you don't have the start of a clue about. Just saying.
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Considering that it has now been two months since Lost Ark launched, if we're going to debate the meaning of its player numbers, shouldn't we be debating more recent numbers than only one month after launch?
Anecdotal evidence, the past two nights two servers on US East went to Busy, first time in a while that's happened.
More players returning? Or did AGS lower the thresholds to make it appear more busy?
Have there been been some "quality of life" updates that have sped up the game to attract the butterflies back? If not I guess there was nothing after ER to keep them sated and the are returning to old fields.
New World : a game you never played, yet you judge the "quality of life" modifications made to the game like if you were an expert and veteran player.
Lost Ark : a game you never played, yet you judge the "quality of life" modifications made to the game like if you were an expert and veteran player.
There are many things you can talk about games even if you don't play them, but the value and necessity of some QOL changes can only be appreciated by active players who have a good bunch of hours playing under the belt.
Maybe you should try to play some of the newer games sometimes, instead of just talking about stuff you don't have the start of a clue about. Just saying.
I notice you did not answer my questions about the gameplay structure in NW, yet here you are to take a pop because I dared to mention your beloved New World.
So we must not ask questions as we are not playing the game seems to be your starting point.
You will note that I was asking for anyone who is playing LA as to whether there have even been any such changes as that does bring casuals back, not sure how that sounded like a statement/question from a veteran player of the game? Unless you want to tell us that making a game easier does not bring players back?
Players will not always have your view point on games, you really need to get your head around that. "Just saying".
Players will not always have your view point on games, you really need to get your head around that. "Just saying".
Except you are not a player.
There have been several answers from actual players including me about those QOL changes, you seem to have a seriously negative bias against that expression without even knowing what it's all about in the games you are actually not playing at all.
So whatever... dismissed, I'm done with that discussion.
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Players will not always have your view point on games, you really need to get your head around that. "Just saying".
Except you are not a player.
There have been several answers from actual players including me about those QOL changes, you seem to have a seriously negative bias against that expression without even knowing what it's all about in the games you are actually not playing at all.
So whatever... dismissed, I'm done with that discussion.
QoL is often used to bring in measures which may or may not make the game better, they are often used to appeal to casuals which does not necessity make a game better. It may be from what was subsequently said that some of the crafting changes did make for a better game in that area. You have been gaming a long time, I am sure you realise that "QOL" is just PR speak.
I will ask again, these questions about NW have nothing to do with "QoL":
The quests were roundly criticised except for a few of the higher level ones I think. Has that changed?
The PvP was seen as being played by a small community at top level while the rest missed out and felt little reason for contributing.
The regional RvR lent itself to too static a situation on each map, one company comes to predominate and that's that.
You really are taking this the wrong way, I am asking because I don't have a lot of choices for a MMO this year and and am hopeful NW could be the one. But the updates I have seen so far have not been that solid all round, for me pushing back the decision to next year may end up being the right move.
Players will not always have your view point on games, you really need to get your head around that. "Just saying".
Except you are not a player.
There have been several answers from actual players including me about those QOL changes, you seem to have a seriously negative bias against that expression without even knowing what it's all about in the games you are actually not playing at all.
So whatever... dismissed, I'm done with that discussion.
You really are taking this the wrong way, I am asking because I don't have a lot of choices for a MMO this year and and am hopeful NW could be the one. But the updates I have seen so far have not been that solid all round, for me pushing back the decision to next year may end up being the right move.
Just forget all that and play Cyrodiil, that is by far the best mmo on the market atm. Well, there is a lot of lag, but sometimes, when you can activate skills, it is the best mmo around.
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Anyway, yea, no! As @FrodoFragins said, it's not about the grind nor the P2W aspect of the game. Is about how boring the (end) game have become for me. You would spend no more then .. 2 hours top on your main per day and then switch asap to your alts so you can .. "gear" up your main.....doing THE same things you do with your main : Chaos Dungons, Raids.
What's worst, is that they are not even "different" Dungeons. Most of the time they look the same.
Even D3 random Rifts have more diversity than Lost Ark Dungeons and Raids maps.
Sorry but ...
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The population is at 400k according to the charts. It's doing fine in my opnion.
https://steamcharts.com/app/1599340
Please see the "People will play garbage" thread........
As Farmville's problems with the tax man showed us, there's also a very lucrative business under the radar with game companies auctioning off volume sales to those guys, which they turn around and sell too.
That's a lot of money for the game companies. I'm sure it doesn't affect game designs though, right? ( <- snark)
Once upon a time....
So many games have started with decent to large numbers, claims of success because huge numbers try them out, but then fade into also-ran-ness.
Once upon a time....
More players returning? Or did AGS lower the thresholds to make it appear more busy?
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Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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New World : a game you never played, yet you judge the "quality of life" modifications made to the game like if you were an expert and veteran player.
Lost Ark : a game you never played, yet you judge the "quality of life" modifications made to the game like if you were an expert and veteran player.
Respect, walk
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So we must not ask questions as we are not playing the game seems to be your starting point.
You will note that I was asking for anyone who is playing LA as to whether there have even been any such changes as that does bring casuals back, not sure how that sounded like a statement/question from a veteran player of the game? Unless you want to tell us that making a game easier does not bring players back?
Players will not always have your view point on games, you really need to get your head around that. "Just saying".
Except you are not a player.
So whatever... dismissed, I'm done with that discussion.
Respect, walk
Are you talkin' to me? Are you talkin' to me?
- PANTERA at HELLFEST 2023
I will ask again, these questions about NW have nothing to do with "QoL":
The quests were roundly criticised except for a few of the higher level ones I think. Has that changed?
The PvP was seen as being played by a small community at top level while the rest missed out and felt little reason for contributing.
The regional RvR lent itself to too static a situation on each map, one company comes to predominate and that's that.
You really are taking this the wrong way, I am asking because I don't have a lot of choices for a MMO this year and and am hopeful NW could be the one. But the updates I have seen so far have not been that solid all round, for me pushing back the decision to next year may end up being the right move.