I love PvP and I love PvE, I enjoy them both fully. With that said.
If I am doing PvE stuff, the last thing I want to deal with is PvP Bullshit.
If I am doing PvP stuff, the last thing I want to deal with is PvE Bullshit.
There exists a demographic who likes both PvP and PvE mixed in the same environment. There are several MMORPGs that support this - Lineage 1, Lineage 2, EVE, et al.
Eh? So what.
There are entire demographics of people that like to eat spiders, do you have a point?
I was adding on to your list of what kinds of pvp and pve some players like. There is an idea in this thread that the activities must be split. I think that is true for some people, but I wanted to point out there exists a group of people who also like it mixed.
Not sure why that triggered you to lash out with a jerk comment. Did you somehow feel threatened and diminished by a differing opinion and perspective?
I have no idea how what you said relates at all to what I said.
That would be like talking about how much I despise pineapple on pizza and someone coming in and saying "Well there is a whole demographic of people that like Pineapple on pizza"
Like dude, that means jack shit to what I enjoy or my view on things, in fact, there are whole demographics of people that love a lot of things that I think are downright stupid, not sure how that relates to anything I said however.
Or was that some attempt at cohesion to make me feel like I might be wrong, which now makes me wonder, Are you suddenly going to out and learn to love eating spiders because there are entire demographics that enjoy that, after all James Ramsey gave it a try, maybe you are just wrong in not wanting to enjoy some spiders.
Torval may respond, but I see him just pointing out that "your preference" is ONE way to PvP. All he said was "others" (NOT you) have differing opinions.
I still will NOT play a PvP centric MMO. Ever.
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse. - FARGIN_WAR
I love PvP and I love PvE, I enjoy them both fully. With that said.
If I am doing PvE stuff, the last thing I want to deal with is PvP Bullshit.
If I am doing PvP stuff, the last thing I want to deal with is PvE Bullshit.
There exists a demographic who likes both PvP and PvE mixed in the same environment. There are several MMORPGs that support this - Lineage 1, Lineage 2, EVE, et al.
Eh? So what.
There are entire demographics of people that like to eat spiders, do you have a point?
I was adding on to your list of what kinds of pvp and pve some players like. There is an idea in this thread that the activities must be split. I think that is true for some people, but I wanted to point out there exists a group of people who also like it mixed.
Not sure why that triggered you to lash out with a jerk comment. Did you somehow feel threatened and diminished by a differing opinion and perspective?
I have no idea how what you said relates at all to what I said.
That would be like talking about how much I despise pineapple on pizza and someone coming in and saying "Well there is a whole demographic of people that like Pineapple on pizza"
Like dude, that means jack shit to what I enjoy or my view on things, in fact, there are whole demographics of people that love a lot of things that I think are downright stupid, not sure how that relates to anything I said however.
Or was that some attempt at cohesion to make me feel like I might be wrong, which now makes me wonder, Are you suddenly going to out and learn to love eating spiders because there are entire demographics that enjoy that, after all James Ramsey gave it a try, maybe you are just wrong in not wanting to enjoy some spiders.
Torval may respond, but I see him just pointing out that "your preference" is ONE way to PvP. All he said was "others" (NOT you) have differing opinions.
I still will NOT play a PvP centric MMO. Ever.
What about RvR, PvP is totally separated from PvE, you won't even see it unless you go into the contested zones?
I love PvP and I love PvE, I enjoy them both fully. With that said.
If I am doing PvE stuff, the last thing I want to deal with is PvP Bullshit.
If I am doing PvP stuff, the last thing I want to deal with is PvE Bullshit.
There exists a demographic who likes both PvP and PvE mixed in the same environment. There are several MMORPGs that support this - Lineage 1, Lineage 2, EVE, et al.
Eh? So what.
There are entire demographics of people that like to eat spiders, do you have a point?
I was adding on to your list of what kinds of pvp and pve some players like. There is an idea in this thread that the activities must be split. I think that is true for some people, but I wanted to point out there exists a group of people who also like it mixed.
Not sure why that triggered you to lash out with a jerk comment. Did you somehow feel threatened and diminished by a differing opinion and perspective?
I have no idea how what you said relates at all to what I said.
That would be like talking about how much I despise pineapple on pizza and someone coming in and saying "Well there is a whole demographic of people that like Pineapple on pizza"
Like dude, that means jack shit to what I enjoy or my view on things, in fact, there are whole demographics of people that love a lot of things that I think are downright stupid, not sure how that relates to anything I said however.
Or was that some attempt at cohesion to make me feel like I might be wrong, which now makes me wonder, Are you suddenly going to out and learn to love eating spiders because there are entire demographics that enjoy that, after all James Ramsey gave it a try, maybe you are just wrong in not wanting to enjoy some spiders.
Torval may respond, but I see him just pointing out that "your preference" is ONE way to PvP. All he said was "others" (NOT you) have differing opinions.
I still will NOT play a PvP centric MMO. Ever.
What about RvR, PvP is totally separated from PvE, you won't even see it unless you go into the contested zones?
Because that PvP willaffect my game play. Usually, those realms "give benefits" to the winning side, until they lose control
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse. - FARGIN_WAR
I love PvP and I love PvE, I enjoy them both fully. With that said.
If I am doing PvE stuff, the last thing I want to deal with is PvP Bullshit.
If I am doing PvP stuff, the last thing I want to deal with is PvE Bullshit.
There exists a demographic who likes both PvP and PvE mixed in the same environment. There are several MMORPGs that support this - Lineage 1, Lineage 2, EVE, et al.
Eh? So what.
There are entire demographics of people that like to eat spiders, do you have a point?
I was adding on to your list of what kinds of pvp and pve some players like. There is an idea in this thread that the activities must be split. I think that is true for some people, but I wanted to point out there exists a group of people who also like it mixed.
Not sure why that triggered you to lash out with a jerk comment. Did you somehow feel threatened and diminished by a differing opinion and perspective?
I have no idea how what you said relates at all to what I said.
That would be like talking about how much I despise pineapple on pizza and someone coming in and saying "Well there is a whole demographic of people that like Pineapple on pizza"
Like dude, that means jack shit to what I enjoy or my view on things, in fact, there are whole demographics of people that love a lot of things that I think are downright stupid, not sure how that relates to anything I said however.
Or was that some attempt at cohesion to make me feel like I might be wrong, which now makes me wonder, Are you suddenly going to out and learn to love eating spiders because there are entire demographics that enjoy that, after all James Ramsey gave it a try, maybe you are just wrong in not wanting to enjoy some spiders.
Torval may respond, but I see him just pointing out that "your preference" is ONE way to PvP. All he said was "others" (NOT you) have differing opinions.
I still will NOT play a PvP centric MMO. Ever.
What about RvR, PvP is totally separated from PvE, you won't even see it unless you go into the contested zones?
Because that PvP willaffect my game play. Usually, those realms "give benefits" to the winning side, until they lose control
GW2 removed that feature, they also removed WvW Map Completion, and removed open area Harvest Nodes (Now they are all within the walls of Structures) as well as removing crafting stations from WvW.
So the RvR has zero impact on the PvE.
the sPvP also has no impact on PvE.
In fact the only thing that crosses all platforms is coinage currency.
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
What about RvR, PvP is totally separated from PvE, you won't even see it unless you go into the contested zones?
Because that PvP willaffect my game play. Usually, those realms "give benefits" to the winning side, until they lose control
This is true and something I'm not sure a lot of PvP players care about. Class balance and skills are adjusted for PvP, even in games that try to separate them with different skill tuning. Node drops, harvesting, crafting, and everything else about the game is tuned around, or at the least heavily considered, with how it works and affects PvP.
As long as the benefits from RVR do not effect PvE then the two types of play are quite separate. That has not always happened in the past though so RvR could give you a crafting bonus or the like,but tome that would be OK as long as it was PvP crafting only. It is true that PvP effects the way classes shape up, but I am not sure that is a problem? The way I presume it is done would be to start with the PvP classes get that all balanced then adjust all the PvE content with the classes in mind. The skill tuning from PvE to PvP should mop up most problems.
We do come back to the issue you mentioned in NW though, what is engaging those who want to just do PvE to contribute to PvP. That is far harder, it has been a problem since MMOs started.
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- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR
Because that PvP will affect my game play. Usually, those realms "give benefits" to the winning side, until they lose control
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR
So the RvR has zero impact on the PvE.
the sPvP also has no impact on PvE.
In fact the only thing that crosses all platforms is coinage currency.
We do come back to the issue you mentioned in NW though, what is engaging those who want to just do PvE to contribute to PvP. That is far harder, it has been a problem since MMOs started.