Convince me: that Korean MMOs, published by western developers for Western release, is a good idea

MMOExposed

This has been a thing for decades now. 

Korean made MMOs, built for a Korean/Asian MMO audience,  

that get a Western Publisher to finance a Western Port of the game for the Western MMO audience. 



Convince me that this is a good idea in the modern age of MMORPGs. 

Kyleran

Well, since my Korean sucks, I suppose having a western publisher help pay to have games translated into English is a good idea. 

Also, lacking a Korean ID I couldn't otherwise play games like LostArk I suppose. (I don't play on Russkie servers)

[Deleted User]

The user and all related content has been deleted.

Scot

Well its not a good idea, obviously. I am not going to repeat the arguments that back that up here as we have three other threads on this.

Quizzical

Elsword was pretty good.  Kritika was a lot of fun, at least in the En Masse version.  I liked Tree of Savior, too, before they decided to ensure that you level at super speed and can't actually finish any content without leveling way past it.  Vindictus is fun, too.

Sure, there are some awful games that get made in Korea and exported.  (Closers, that means you.)  But there are awful games made in a lot of countries.  If you reject all games made in a country just because some of them are bad, there won't be much for you to play.

Utinni

This forum has gone from "china bad" to "asia bad" in just a few years.

Adamantine

tzervo said:

Utinni said:

This forum has gone from "china bad" to "asia bad" in just a few years.

MMO bad. 

Yep, unfortunately.

Scot

Utinni said:

This forum has gone from "china bad" to "asia bad" in just a few years.

It was you who said "chinese mobile game with diablo skin has lootboxes!?" and I took that point. So not sure what you are getting at here. Have MMOs from the far east always had a question mark over them, yes they have. From grind to abusive cash shop practices. I could mention FF as an honourable exception, but I don't know the game well enough to voice that. I can say that BDO even though I think its grind and cash setup was bad, is not as bad as DI.

I don't think this reflects on solo games from the far east at all, we are just talking MMOs here not the countries or the peoples. 

kitarad

Long before any Korean game even comes to the West there are Westerners playing on Russian Servers and other places that don't require a Korean ID to play. Some go as far as to use IDs that are stolen or rented but that is another story and crime.

There are lots of fan sites with enthusiastic players hoping for a Western port of the game and they form the reason why Western publishers who are in a better position than you will ever be to make a decision on the profitability and viability of these titles.

The very fact that there are games that have become successful here and have mechanics in them like the trading in Archeage and BDO and various systems that Western games do not have that players enjoy is the reason that games should not be pigeon holed by continents or countries but rather by the game play and ideas they bring to the genre. New ideas and enjoyable game play should always be welcomed with open arms.

Making decisions on games we play should always be centred around the mechanics and systems in the game and the fun it provides rather than where the games comes from.

If you're complaining about the egregious cash shop and other methods that are used by these games than look no further than Diablo Immortal, a game that has clearly decided to take every type of sleazy money making system and implementing it into their own Western game. No moral high ground to lord over Asian grinders with their cash shops because like everything else Blizzard adapts it took it and made it 'better'.

It would have been nice if Western developers took the good ideas and adapted those but money does indeed grow on player trees.

AAAMEOW

Are you asking why korean company let western company publish their games?

or are you asking why even publish pay to win asian games in the western world?

I don't know the answer to that, but I heard diablo immortal is pretty pay to win, so it goes both ways.  

Tiller

tzervo said:

Utinni said:

This forum has gone from "china bad" to "asia bad" in just a few years.

MMO bad. 

NFT MMO bad.

DigDuggy

I don't understand people who tell other people to convince them.  I've seen many of these, and usually it just ends up people coming up with why this or that and the poster just poo pooing everything.  If you need convincing, you've probably already made up your mind and are just looking for some internet jousting.  Convince me I'm wrong

[Deleted User]

The user and all related content has been deleted.

eoloe

Qbertq said:

I don't understand people who tell other people to convince them.  I've seen many of these, and usually it just ends up people coming up with why this or that and the poster just poo pooing everything.  If you need convincing, you've probably already made up your mind and are just looking for some internet jousting.  Convince me I'm wrong

I don't understand people who tell other people to convince them.  I've seen many of these, and usually it just ends up people coming up with why this or that and the poster just poo pooing everything.  If you need convincing, you've probably already made up your mind and are just looking for some internet jousting.  Convince me I'm wrong

Iselin

Xenophobia - the MMO. Coming soon!

Tokken

it's nice to have a variety of games to play /choose from....alas, Korean games.

user298

MMOExposed said:

This has been a thing for decades now. 

Korean made MMOs, built for a Korean/Asian MMO audience,  

What a ridiculous statement. MMOs are MMOs, doesn't matter who makes them, or what their nationality is, or the color of their skin or whatever. They're also not built only for specific ethnic group to play, regardless of their payment system or art style. And I know plenty of people (some of them in real life) who enjoyed playing MMOs from just about every part of the world, as long as they could understand the language of the game (some of them even had to download unofficial translation patches but still kept playing because it was fun for them).

FrodoFragins

user298 said:

MMOExposed said:

This has been a thing for decades now. 

Korean made MMOs, built for a Korean/Asian MMO audience,  

What a ridiculous statement. MMOs are MMOs, doesn't matter who makes them, or what their nationality is, or the color of their skin or whatever. They're also not built only for specific ethnic group to play, regardless of their payment system or art style. And I know plenty of people (some of them in real life) who enjoyed playing MMOs from just about every part of the world, as long as they could understand the language of the game (some of them even had to download unofficial translation patches but still kept playing because it was fun for them).

Korean MMOs are designed to be P2W and tediously grindy.  It's almost impossible to correct them for the west, so they leave them mostly as is. 

They are designed for a specific gaming culture.  As that's what makes the most 

Dattelis

Isn't 'western audience' a bit subjective? Not every consumer likes the same thing regardless of where it comes from and many more have different levels of tolerance. Its honestly a good thing that there's a variety of things for people to engage in. That's like saying western audiences prefer Elder Scrolls games over Final Fantasy titles. It just comes down to, if you dont like it then dont play it.

Dibdabs

MMOExposed said:

Convince me that this is a good idea in the modern age of MMORPGs. 

Why?

delete5230

I remember f2p mmos like 9 dragons were only played as we waited for games like LOTRO and other good games. No one here ever took them seriously or paid them a dime. 

Funny thing, 15 years ago we knew they were absolute rip offs... what changed ?

I guess we hit rock bottom. 

FrodoFragins

Dattelis said:

Isn't 'western audience' a bit subjective? Not every consumer likes the same thing regardless of where it comes from and many more have different levels of tolerance. Its honestly a good thing that there's a variety of things for people to engage in. That's like saying western audiences prefer Elder Scrolls games over Final Fantasy titles. It just comes down to, if you dont like it then dont play it.

No?  In aggregate there has been a strong delineation between what western MMO players accept versus those in Korea in terms of monetization.

WalkinGlenn

As long as they stick to the original design and the game is fun. 

Kyleran

Dibdabs said:

MMOExposed said:

Convince me that this is a good idea in the modern age of MMORPGs. 

Why?

Some folks need other people to tell them what to enjoy and why?