This "people are to blame too" argument seems to still be rather tangential itself, even more so, it is prone to mischaracterization and misinterpretation.
Take the fast food argument. Certainly, there are people you can point at who simply eat too much fast food and have health problems around that. However, it's not like every person complaining about fast food, or even eating fast food, represents that. It sits more in the realm of hyperbole than anything else.
And when talking about that, it ends up being in part a criticism of how industry at large has also shaped that situation to enable poor consumer practices.
"Build it and they will come." still requires someone to have built it and made the offering for some subsection to abuse.
People should be held accountable for personal actions and choices. However, similarly we should be aware of cause vs symptom and, if a practice being used is fundamentally harmful and exists to enable poor behavior, then it makes more sense to pull it out at the root.
Besides which, change starting with the people, generally rises from said people having a broad awareness of the problems being presented by a given system. If a system is designed to lead people towards investing while they have limited information/understanding of the scope, it makes it way easier to fall for a grift without even knowing.
You can sit there calling people fools for falling for a grift, or you can inform them of the grift, educate them on what the issues are with it, and deal with the problem properly.
Let me run with that idea for a bit, and focus on people being fat because they eat unhealthy, just because we can.
If companies didn’t have the freedom to pay absolute minimum wage for a normal job (hello Amazon amongst many so you can’t just go ‘work somewhere else’) and pharmacies, insurance companies and landlords didn’t have the freedom to overcharge on basic necessities to just survive as a human being, then perhaps people didn’t have the “freedom” to choose between cheap unhealthy food or starvation. Or of course two fulltime jobs just to make ends meet because one man’s freedom is just another mans modern slavery.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
Is there an actual argument here, or just trying to dismiss one problem by dragging attention to another?
Its called blame shifting and there seems to be some overlap with the ‘governments are evil and controlling but companies can bend me over anytime any way they like because I think that is what freedom means looking through a Capitalistic lens’ ideology. Outdated stuff really, like working overtime, unpaid, because everybody does it and it means ‘you care.’
/Cheers, Lahnmir
Government has a monopoly on violence. They can, will, and do force you to comply or you face consequences.
I can and do completely ignore any company I choose and the only consequence is not using their product.
If blizzard is bending you over with DI, that's on you. Stop paying and stop playing. It's a choice.
If you believe the former is what defines freedom there's no conversation we can have that will benefit anyone.
No you can’t. And talking about violence, the NRA, a company, pays politicians handsomely to keep the USA’s draconian gun laws in tact. They aren’t the only company influencing political decisions too, just a fitting example. Ignoring the company is a station the average capitalistic society has passed a long time ago.
And I can play DI perfectly fine and walk away whenever I want. But I am not looking at the ‘me’ but at the ‘we’ as a society. Which funnily enough sums up Capitalism versus Socialism rather well. The idea that individual freedom overrules everything and in turn becomes freedom for everybody is as disingenuous as it is outdated.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
I can't what, exactly? Ignore companies I don't like? How the hell would you know?
Many companies influencing political decisions? One common denominator, the government. You're laying out some really good arguments why a centralized government is a bad idea.
"But I'm no looking at the 'me' but the 'we' as a society" - so you're wanting to control how other people choose to live their lives. Got it.
This "people are to blame too" argument seems to still be rather tangential itself, even more so, it is prone to mischaracterization and misinterpretation.
Take the fast food argument. Certainly, there are people you can point at who simply eat too much fast food and have health problems around that. However, it's not like every person complaining about fast food, or even eating fast food, represents that. It sits more in the realm of hyperbole than anything else.
And when talking about that, it ends up being in part a criticism of how industry at large has also shaped that situation to enable poor consumer practices.
"Build it and they will come." still requires someone to have built it and made the offering for some subsection to abuse.
People should be held accountable for personal actions and choices. However, similarly we should be aware of cause vs symptom and, if a practice being used is fundamentally harmful and exists to enable poor behavior, then it makes more sense to pull it out at the root.
Besides which, change starting with the people, generally rises from said people having a broad awareness of the problems being presented by a given system. If a system is designed to lead people towards investing while they have limited information/understanding of the scope, it makes it way easier to fall for a grift without even knowing.
You can sit there calling people fools for falling for a grift, or you can inform them of the grift, educate them on what the issues are with it, and deal with the problem properly.
Let me run with that idea for a bit, and focus on people being fat because they eat unhealthy, just because we can.
If companies didn’t have the freedom to pay absolute minimum wage for a normal job (hello Amazon amongst many so you can’t just go ‘work somewhere else’) and pharmacies, insurance companies and landlords didn’t have the freedom to overcharge on basic necessities to just survive as a human being, then perhaps people didn’t have the “freedom” to choose between cheap unhealthy food or starvation. Or of course two fulltime jobs just to make ends meet because one man’s freedom is just another mans modern slavery.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
Inflation is caused by something. If only I could put a finger on it.
This "people are to blame too" argument seems to still be rather tangential itself, even more so, it is prone to mischaracterization and misinterpretation.
Take the fast food argument. Certainly, there are people you can point at who simply eat too much fast food and have health problems around that. However, it's not like every person complaining about fast food, or even eating fast food, represents that. It sits more in the realm of hyperbole than anything else.
And when talking about that, it ends up being in part a criticism of how industry at large has also shaped that situation to enable poor consumer practices.
"Build it and they will come." still requires someone to have built it and made the offering for some subsection to abuse.
People should be held accountable for personal actions and choices. However, similarly we should be aware of cause vs symptom and, if a practice being used is fundamentally harmful and exists to enable poor behavior, then it makes more sense to pull it out at the root.
Besides which, change starting with the people, generally rises from said people having a broad awareness of the problems being presented by a given system. If a system is designed to lead people towards investing while they have limited information/understanding of the scope, it makes it way easier to fall for a grift without even knowing.
You can sit there calling people fools for falling for a grift, or you can inform them of the grift, educate them on what the issues are with it, and deal with the problem properly.
Let me run with that idea for a bit, and focus on people being fat because they eat unhealthy, just because we can.
If companies didn’t have the freedom to pay absolute minimum wage for a normal job (hello Amazon amongst many so you can’t just go ‘work somewhere else’) and pharmacies, insurance companies and landlords didn’t have the freedom to overcharge on basic necessities to just survive as a human being, then perhaps people didn’t have the “freedom” to choose between cheap unhealthy food or starvation. Or of course two fulltime jobs just to make ends meet because one man’s freedom is just another mans modern slavery.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
Inflation is caused by something. If only I could put a finger on it.
When I look at the inflation in the USA right now I know the answer to that question most definitely isn’t ‘lack of Capitalism.’ Just to paint the complete picture, I am not against Capitalism, I am against societies embracing only Capitalism. Simply because “pure” Capitalism and basic Human Rights don’t go together. I care about the ‘we’ and not just the ‘me.’
/Cheers, Lahnmir
'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
This "people are to blame too" argument seems to still be rather tangential itself, even more so, it is prone to mischaracterization and misinterpretation.
Take the fast food argument. Certainly, there are people you can point at who simply eat too much fast food and have health problems around that. However, it's not like every person complaining about fast food, or even eating fast food, represents that. It sits more in the realm of hyperbole than anything else.
And when talking about that, it ends up being in part a criticism of how industry at large has also shaped that situation to enable poor consumer practices.
"Build it and they will come." still requires someone to have built it and made the offering for some subsection to abuse.
People should be held accountable for personal actions and choices. However, similarly we should be aware of cause vs symptom and, if a practice being used is fundamentally harmful and exists to enable poor behavior, then it makes more sense to pull it out at the root.
Besides which, change starting with the people, generally rises from said people having a broad awareness of the problems being presented by a given system. If a system is designed to lead people towards investing while they have limited information/understanding of the scope, it makes it way easier to fall for a grift without even knowing.
You can sit there calling people fools for falling for a grift, or you can inform them of the grift, educate them on what the issues are with it, and deal with the problem properly.
Let me run with that idea for a bit, and focus on people being fat because they eat unhealthy, just because we can.
If companies didn’t have the freedom to pay absolute minimum wage for a normal job (hello Amazon amongst many so you can’t just go ‘work somewhere else’) and pharmacies, insurance companies and landlords didn’t have the freedom to overcharge on basic necessities to just survive as a human being, then perhaps people didn’t have the “freedom” to choose between cheap unhealthy food or starvation. Or of course two fulltime jobs just to make ends meet because one man’s freedom is just another mans modern slavery.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
Inflation is caused by something. If only I could put a finger on it.
When I look at the inflation in the USA right now I know the answer to that question most definitely isn’t ‘lack of Capitalism.’ Just to paint the complete picture, I am not against Capitalism, I am against societies embracing only Capitalism. Simply because “pure” Capitalism and basic Human Rights don’t go together. I care about the ‘we’ and not just the ‘me.’
/Cheers, Lahnmir
You say nothing in quite a few words. Basic human rights means YOU leave the WE, and specifically ME alone. You're not promoting rights, you're promoting tyranny and control. You want someone to be able to tell other people how they are allowed to live their lives. That's the opposite of rights and freedom.
This "people are to blame too" argument seems to still be rather tangential itself, even more so, it is prone to mischaracterization and misinterpretation.
Take the fast food argument. Certainly, there are people you can point at who simply eat too much fast food and have health problems around that. However, it's not like every person complaining about fast food, or even eating fast food, represents that. It sits more in the realm of hyperbole than anything else.
And when talking about that, it ends up being in part a criticism of how industry at large has also shaped that situation to enable poor consumer practices.
"Build it and they will come." still requires someone to have built it and made the offering for some subsection to abuse.
People should be held accountable for personal actions and choices. However, similarly we should be aware of cause vs symptom and, if a practice being used is fundamentally harmful and exists to enable poor behavior, then it makes more sense to pull it out at the root.
Besides which, change starting with the people, generally rises from said people having a broad awareness of the problems being presented by a given system. If a system is designed to lead people towards investing while they have limited information/understanding of the scope, it makes it way easier to fall for a grift without even knowing.
You can sit there calling people fools for falling for a grift, or you can inform them of the grift, educate them on what the issues are with it, and deal with the problem properly.
Let me run with that idea for a bit, and focus on people being fat because they eat unhealthy, just because we can.
If companies didn’t have the freedom to pay absolute minimum wage for a normal job (hello Amazon amongst many so you can’t just go ‘work somewhere else’) and pharmacies, insurance companies and landlords didn’t have the freedom to overcharge on basic necessities to just survive as a human being, then perhaps people didn’t have the “freedom” to choose between cheap unhealthy food or starvation. Or of course two fulltime jobs just to make ends meet because one man’s freedom is just another mans modern slavery.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
Inflation is caused by something. If only I could put a finger on it.
When I look at the inflation in the USA right now I know the answer to that question most definitely isn’t ‘lack of Capitalism.’ Just to paint the complete picture, I am not against Capitalism, I am against societies embracing only Capitalism. Simply because “pure” Capitalism and basic Human Rights don’t go together. I care about the ‘we’ and not just the ‘me.’
/Cheers, Lahnmir
You say nothing in quite a few words. Basic human rights means YOU leave the WE, and specifically ME alone. You're not promoting rights, you're promoting tyranny and control. You want someone to be able to tell other people how they are allowed to live their lives. That's the opposite of rights and freedom.
Your simplistic black and white approach makes it really hard to have a meaningful discussion about the subject. So far all of my counters to your arguments have been dismissed with semantic variations of ‘ I don’t like your answers so they are invalid.’ You also might have missed the part where I shared that I am working for a 100k employee, multi billion dollar profit, extremely commercial company, there is really little you can teach me on the subject.
But lets do a TLDR: Companies that fought their way to the top and only want your money are okay because the rich controlling the poor is fine but democratically chosen governments are not good because the powerful governing the powerless leads to tyranny and control. That is one narrow worldview if ever I saw one, wow.
Also, claiming that basic Human Rights are about you and not mankind in general is of course ridiculous. Your freedom limiting that of others seems a non issue to you, perhaps ethics are a ‘non capitalist’ thing.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
This "people are to blame too" argument seems to still be rather tangential itself, even more so, it is prone to mischaracterization and misinterpretation.
Take the fast food argument. Certainly, there are people you can point at who simply eat too much fast food and have health problems around that. However, it's not like every person complaining about fast food, or even eating fast food, represents that. It sits more in the realm of hyperbole than anything else.
And when talking about that, it ends up being in part a criticism of how industry at large has also shaped that situation to enable poor consumer practices.
"Build it and they will come." still requires someone to have built it and made the offering for some subsection to abuse.
People should be held accountable for personal actions and choices. However, similarly we should be aware of cause vs symptom and, if a practice being used is fundamentally harmful and exists to enable poor behavior, then it makes more sense to pull it out at the root.
Besides which, change starting with the people, generally rises from said people having a broad awareness of the problems being presented by a given system. If a system is designed to lead people towards investing while they have limited information/understanding of the scope, it makes it way easier to fall for a grift without even knowing.
You can sit there calling people fools for falling for a grift, or you can inform them of the grift, educate them on what the issues are with it, and deal with the problem properly.
Let me run with that idea for a bit, and focus on people being fat because they eat unhealthy, just because we can.
If companies didn’t have the freedom to pay absolute minimum wage for a normal job (hello Amazon amongst many so you can’t just go ‘work somewhere else’) and pharmacies, insurance companies and landlords didn’t have the freedom to overcharge on basic necessities to just survive as a human being, then perhaps people didn’t have the “freedom” to choose between cheap unhealthy food or starvation. Or of course two fulltime jobs just to make ends meet because one man’s freedom is just another mans modern slavery.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
Inflation is caused by something. If only I could put a finger on it.
When I look at the inflation in the USA right now I know the answer to that question most definitely isn’t ‘lack of Capitalism.’ Just to paint the complete picture, I am not against Capitalism, I am against societies embracing only Capitalism. Simply because “pure” Capitalism and basic Human Rights don’t go together. I care about the ‘we’ and not just the ‘me.’
/Cheers, Lahnmir
You say nothing in quite a few words. Basic human rights means YOU leave the WE, and specifically ME alone. You're not promoting rights, you're promoting tyranny and control. You want someone to be able to tell other people how they are allowed to live their lives. That's the opposite of rights and freedom.
Your simplistic black and white approach makes it really hard to have a meaningful discussion about the subject. So far all of my counters to your arguments have been dismissed with semantic variations of ‘ I don’t like your answers so they are invalid.’ You also might have missed the part where I shared that I am working for a 100k employee, multi billion dollar profit, extremely commercial company, there is really little you can teach me on the subject.
But lets do a TLDR: Companies that fought their way to the top and only want your money are okay because the rich controlling the poor is fine but democratically chosen governments are not good because the powerful governing the powerless leads to tyranny and control. That is one narrow worldview if ever I saw one, wow.
Also, claiming that basic Human Rights are about you and not mankind in general is of course ridiculous. Your freedom limiting that of others seems a non issue to you, perhaps ethics are a ‘non capitalist’ thing.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
There is no way to have a meaningful discussion with someone who repeats meaningless TV talking points as you have been. There's no substance to anything you've said.
You work for a company. Congrats. It means nothing.
Companies working their way to the top cannot control you without a means of force. You said it yourself, they lobby the government. You're just so blind you're missing your own answers.
Democracy: Millions of idiots voting on what I'm allowed to do is absurd. Democratic Republic: millions of idiots voting for the most popular candidate to determine what I'm allowed to do is absurd.
"Your freedom limiting that of others seems a non issue to you" You can't even be consistent. I'm the one advocating for individual freedom while you're trying to tell companies and people what they're allowed to sell/buy.
This "people are to blame too" argument seems to still be rather tangential itself, even more so, it is prone to mischaracterization and misinterpretation.
Take the fast food argument. Certainly, there are people you can point at who simply eat too much fast food and have health problems around that. However, it's not like every person complaining about fast food, or even eating fast food, represents that. It sits more in the realm of hyperbole than anything else.
And when talking about that, it ends up being in part a criticism of how industry at large has also shaped that situation to enable poor consumer practices.
"Build it and they will come." still requires someone to have built it and made the offering for some subsection to abuse.
People should be held accountable for personal actions and choices. However, similarly we should be aware of cause vs symptom and, if a practice being used is fundamentally harmful and exists to enable poor behavior, then it makes more sense to pull it out at the root.
Besides which, change starting with the people, generally rises from said people having a broad awareness of the problems being presented by a given system. If a system is designed to lead people towards investing while they have limited information/understanding of the scope, it makes it way easier to fall for a grift without even knowing.
You can sit there calling people fools for falling for a grift, or you can inform them of the grift, educate them on what the issues are with it, and deal with the problem properly.
Let me run with that idea for a bit, and focus on people being fat because they eat unhealthy, just because we can.
If companies didn’t have the freedom to pay absolute minimum wage for a normal job (hello Amazon amongst many so you can’t just go ‘work somewhere else’) and pharmacies, insurance companies and landlords didn’t have the freedom to overcharge on basic necessities to just survive as a human being, then perhaps people didn’t have the “freedom” to choose between cheap unhealthy food or starvation. Or of course two fulltime jobs just to make ends meet because one man’s freedom is just another mans modern slavery.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
Inflation is caused by something. If only I could put a finger on it.
When I look at the inflation in the USA right now I know the answer to that question most definitely isn’t ‘lack of Capitalism.’ Just to paint the complete picture, I am not against Capitalism, I am against societies embracing only Capitalism. Simply because “pure” Capitalism and basic Human Rights don’t go together. I care about the ‘we’ and not just the ‘me.’
/Cheers, Lahnmir
You say nothing in quite a few words. Basic human rights means YOU leave the WE, and specifically ME alone. You're not promoting rights, you're promoting tyranny and control. You want someone to be able to tell other people how they are allowed to live their lives. That's the opposite of rights and freedom.
Your simplistic black and white approach makes it really hard to have a meaningful discussion about the subject. So far all of my counters to your arguments have been dismissed with semantic variations of ‘ I don’t like your answers so they are invalid.’ You also might have missed the part where I shared that I am working for a 100k employee, multi billion dollar profit, extremely commercial company, there is really little you can teach me on the subject.
But lets do a TLDR: Companies that fought their way to the top and only want your money are okay because the rich controlling the poor is fine but democratically chosen governments are not good because the powerful governing the powerless leads to tyranny and control. That is one narrow worldview if ever I saw one, wow.
Also, claiming that basic Human Rights are about you and not mankind in general is of course ridiculous. Your freedom limiting that of others seems a non issue to you, perhaps ethics are a ‘non capitalist’ thing.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
There is no way to have a meaningful discussion with someone who repeats meaningless TV talking points as you have been. There's no substance to anything you've said.
You work for a company. Congrats. It means nothing.
Companies working their way to the top cannot control you without a means of force. You said it yourself, they lobby the government. You're just so blind you're missing your own answers.
Democracy: Millions of idiots voting on what I'm allowed to do is absurd. Democratic Republic: millions of idiots voting for the most popular candidate to determine what I'm allowed to do is absurd.
"Your freedom limiting that of others seems a non issue to you" You can't even be consistent. I'm the one advocating for individual freedom while you're trying to tell companies and people what they're allowed to sell/buy.
My comments and arguments seem to be triggering you, weird since I am not trying to convince you of my beliefs, I am simply challenging yours.
You also seem to have difficulty grasping the concepts I am laying out since they aren’t as black and white as yours, they are however consistent. I believe in equal freedom and rights, everybody having the same amount of it. That does indeed mean that no one can have all the freedom in the world which isn’t ideal but an awful lot better then the ‘everything for me and you can rot in a corner’ hard line you seem to be following.
Looking at our back and forth however, I am stepping out of the discussion because I really don’t want to be soliciting for a ban because of straying into political territory. I also don’t want us to end up like Slapshot versus Ungood, endlessly duking it out. Like I said, I am not here to convince you of anything, just to challenge your, in my view extremely faulty, views. I don’t however mind disagreeing.
I’ll be playing some DI tonight which I have spent a few bucks on, through VPN because I am Dutch. Which I don’t mind using and I am still challenging Blizzard because of their predatory practices. Confusing stuff really
/Cheers, Lahnmir
'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
I see the thread has been stealth edited, removing some of Child and my posts, not a fan of that but understandable. But lets not get people banned, sometimes stuff we care about can result in heated conversations, shut down the conversation then, not the person. Hope he gets back.
Also, I was thinking about what IBFL means but I guess that is In Before Locking?
/Cheers, Lahnmir
'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
I see the thread has been stealth edited, removing some of Child and my posts, not a fan of that but understandable. But lets not get people banned, sometimes stuff we care about can result in heated conversations, shut down the conversation then, not the person. Hope he gets back.
Also, I was thinking about what IBFL means but I guess that is In Before Locking?
/Cheers, Lahnmir
I already miss my brilliant posts that were edited out. Oh well, they can still live in my memory.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
I see the thread has been stealth edited, removing some of Child and my posts, not a fan of that but understandable. But lets not get people banned, sometimes stuff we care about can result in heated conversations, shut down the conversation then, not the person. Hope he gets back.
Also, I was thinking about what IBFL means but I guess that is In Before Locking?
/Cheers, Lahnmir
I already miss my brilliant posts that were edited out. Oh well, they can still live in my memory.
I see the thread has been stealth edited, removing some of Child and my posts, not a fan of that but understandable. But lets not get people banned, sometimes stuff we care about can result in heated conversations, shut down the conversation then, not the person. Hope he gets back.
Also, I was thinking about what IBFL means but I guess that is In Before Locking?
/Cheers, Lahnmir
I already miss my brilliant posts that were edited out. Oh well, they can still live in my memory.
Guys I seriously was thinking of reporting the thread to try to close it yesterday as it looked liked posters might be banned. Better a closed thread than bans. But in the end I decided not to. What do people would that be a fair thing to try to do?
I see the thread has been stealth edited, removing some of Child and my posts, not a fan of that but understandable. But lets not get people banned, sometimes stuff we care about can result in heated conversations, shut down the conversation then, not the person. Hope he gets back.
Also, I was thinking about what IBFL means but I guess that is In Before Locking?
/Cheers, Lahnmir
I already miss my brilliant posts that were edited out. Oh well, they can still live in my memory.
Guys I seriously was thinking of reporting the thread to try to close it yesterday as it looked liked posters might be banned. Better a closed thread than bans. But in the end I decided not to. What do people would that be a fair thing to try to do?
Like I said, I prefer discussions getting shut down and not people. I also don’t mind getting a private message from people if they think I am stepping out of line or am at risk of getting banned. Its a shame Child got banned, even as he was coming at me (and I was getting pretty snarky as well but didn’t receive a ban), I do not think it is the right way.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
I see the thread has been stealth edited, removing some of Child and my posts, not a fan of that but understandable. But lets not get people banned, sometimes stuff we care about can result in heated conversations, shut down the conversation then, not the person. Hope he gets back.
Also, I was thinking about what IBFL means but I guess that is In Before Locking?
/Cheers, Lahnmir
I already miss my brilliant posts that were edited out. Oh well, they can still live in my memory.
Guys I seriously was thinking of reporting the thread to try to close it yesterday as it looked liked posters might be banned. Better a closed thread than bans. But in the end I decided not to. What do people would that be a fair thing to try to do?
Like I said, I prefer discussions getting shut down and not people. I also don’t mind getting a private message from people if they think I am stepping out of line or am at risk of getting banned. Its a shame Child got banned, even as he was coming at me (and I was getting pretty snarky as well but didn’t receive a ban), I do not think it is the right way.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
I think PM's may be a good idea before we ask for a thread to be closed. It is quite natural though that when you directly tell someone they have gone too far that they can get quite defensive about it. That's why I started doing Keep Calm posts, you don't have to name the posters, they know who they are. I have used PM's but very rarely.
I dont know what people expected really. This was originally going to be a mobile only game. f2p mobile games are expected to be p2w.
It wasnt until later in development Blizzard caved to PC players asking for PC port. So they did.
Guess what folks, you got a mobile game on PC. You got what you asked for.
Yeah but how is this shit tolerated in mobile gaming if, as you say, this is the norm there? Is it a different subspecies of humans playing mobile games competitively?
It's not just tolerated, its embraced, accepted and then thrown away - all in the matter of a few clicks. The way people play is reflective of the downfall of our entire species. The rich people with disposable income come to play and sh*t on everyone else to make themselves feel good. They get bored after a while, start to leave. Devs slow down development b/c its easiest to milk whales early.
The rest of us play the game for a few weeks at most as a quick distraction. But, like everything else that we've recently adapted to our ever diminishing attention spans (youtube shorts, vines, cat videos, twitter, tiktok) we also leave for the next shiny copy-cat release by typically the same publisher, or at best another one of the 3-4 big chinese publishers. The games are designed from the ground up for a shelf-life of 6 months. They want you to move to the next thing. it costs them nothing to re-skin the same trash and 90% of the revenue they generate from whales comes in those first few months.
Collectively as a species, we are on the decline. All these mobile games do is provide a nice little gambling addiction on the side with a dopamine hit to distract us from our pathetic new lifestyle of 240 character conversations and 15 second video challenges of how to get your 9 year old sibling to drink Dran-o.
Oh, and I forgot to mention - if you want to dole out blame, look no further than this very website. You cant really blame them for wanting quick chinese advertising money, but I have been complaining for more than 10 years that this site's advertising choices are part of the problem. Tasteless sponsored articles on disgusting p2w games have been on the rise since the ownership was shuffled. We, as a group, have no one to blame but ourselves for not shutting the door to these exploitive games and for not shutting the door to companies who greedily promote these games.
Oh, and I forgot to mention - if you want to dole out blame, look no further than this very website. You cant really blame them for wanting quick chinese advertising money, but I have been complaining for more than 10 years that this site's advertising choices are part of the problem. Tasteless sponsored articles on disgusting p2w games have been on the rise since the ownership was shuffled. We, as a group, have no one to blame but ourselves for not shutting the door to these exploitive games and for not shutting the door to companies who greedily promote these games.
I must admit the sponsored articles are a concern, but not the advertising, that's just something the baulk of players ignore.
I see the thread has been stealth edited, removing some of Child and my posts, not a fan of that but understandable. But lets not get people banned, sometimes stuff we care about can result in heated conversations, shut down the conversation then, not the person. Hope he gets back.
Also, I was thinking about what IBFL means but I guess that is In Before Locking?
/Cheers, Lahnmir
I already miss my brilliant posts that were edited out. Oh well, they can still live in my memory.
Are you saying you're a legend in your own mind?
No. This site has certified me as legendary just like they did to you.
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If companies didn’t have the freedom to pay absolute minimum wage for a normal job (hello Amazon amongst many so you can’t just go ‘work somewhere else’) and pharmacies, insurance companies and landlords didn’t have the freedom to overcharge on basic necessities to just survive as a human being, then perhaps people didn’t have the “freedom” to choose between cheap unhealthy food or starvation. Or of course two fulltime jobs just to make ends meet because one man’s freedom is just another mans modern slavery.
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
Many companies influencing political decisions? One common denominator, the government. You're laying out some really good arguments why a centralized government is a bad idea.
"But I'm no looking at the 'me' but the 'we' as a society" - so you're wanting to control how other people choose to live their lives. Got it.
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
But lets do a TLDR: Companies that fought their way to the top and only want your money are okay because the rich controlling the poor is fine but democratically chosen governments are not good because the powerful governing the powerless leads to tyranny and control. That is one narrow worldview if ever I saw one, wow.
Also, claiming that basic Human Rights are about you
and not mankind in general is of course ridiculous. Your freedom limiting that of others seems a non issue to you, perhaps ethics are a ‘non capitalist’ thing.
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
You work for a company. Congrats. It means nothing.
Companies working their way to the top cannot control you without a means of force. You said it yourself, they lobby the government. You're just so blind you're missing your own answers.
Democracy: Millions of idiots voting on what I'm allowed to do is absurd.
Democratic Republic: millions of idiots voting for the most popular candidate to determine what I'm allowed to do is absurd.
"Your freedom limiting that of others seems a non issue to you" You can't even be consistent. I'm the one advocating for individual freedom while you're trying to tell companies and people what they're allowed to sell/buy.
You also seem to have difficulty grasping the concepts I am laying out since they aren’t as black and white as yours, they are however consistent. I believe in equal freedom and rights, everybody having the same amount of it. That does indeed mean that no one can have all the freedom in the world which isn’t ideal but an awful lot better then the ‘everything for me and you can rot in a corner’ hard line you seem to be following.
Looking at our back and forth however, I am stepping out of the discussion because I really don’t want to be soliciting for a ban because of straying into political territory. I also don’t want us to end up like Slapshot versus Ungood, endlessly duking it out. Like I said, I am not here to convince you of anything, just to challenge your, in my view extremely faulty, views. I don’t however mind disagreeing.
I’ll be playing some DI tonight which I have spent a few bucks on, through VPN because I am Dutch. Which I don’t mind using and I am still challenging Blizzard because of their predatory practices. Confusing stuff really
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
Are you saying you're a legend in your own mind?
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Beyond the shadows there's always light
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
Anyway hopefully we see CoS back soon.
It's not just tolerated, its embraced, accepted and then thrown away - all in the matter of a few clicks. The way people play is reflective of the downfall of our entire species. The rich people with disposable income come to play and sh*t on everyone else to make themselves feel good. They get bored after a while, start to leave. Devs slow down development b/c its easiest to milk whales early.
The rest of us play the game for a few weeks at most as a quick distraction. But, like everything else that we've recently adapted to our ever diminishing attention spans (youtube shorts, vines, cat videos, twitter, tiktok) we also leave for the next shiny copy-cat release by typically the same publisher, or at best another one of the 3-4 big chinese publishers. The games are designed from the ground up for a shelf-life of 6 months. They want you to move to the next thing. it costs them nothing to re-skin the same trash and 90% of the revenue they generate from whales comes in those first few months.
Collectively as a species, we are on the decline. All these mobile games do is provide a nice little gambling addiction on the side with a dopamine hit to distract us from our pathetic new lifestyle of 240 character conversations and 15 second video challenges of how to get your 9 year old sibling to drink Dran-o.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED