A sad realization. I'm kinda desperate

DigDuggy

I just got burned by the Fractured Online refund policy.  I was told no refund because 'it wasn't returned in an unopened state.  15 minutes broke their policy..1 minute would break their policy..ludicrous.  I should hav waited for steam release then done it, but I was ansy in my pansy 

Never again!

Less than 48 hours later, I've done the same thing.  Hoping it turns out better.  Still, having been burned not 48 hours ago, why wouldn't I wait for steam?

It dawned on me, that I'm desperate for a new MMO.  I like the excitement of launch day and the gnashing of teeth a ND rending of garments.  I like that first character creation and learning the mechanics.  The enjoyment of first exploring a new univers.

It's been a bit.  I've had games I've had fun in, but nothing to get that sense of adventure.  So, I think I'm grasping at straws.  I did today what I said I would never do again.  It's like when I play the lottery (which I rarely do).  It's not the fact that lost.  It's the fact that if I buy a lottery ticket, I'm convinced that this it it!  So when I do lose, it's much more.  Said 

Anyone else, in this kinda 'help me obi wan MMO.  You are my only hope?

Kyleran

I'm enjoying New World well enough, standard MMORPG gameplay at early levels (17 ATM)

user298

Just play VRChat - you will have literally unlimited "adventures" because all of them are created by interacting with live players (and there are already plenty of them playing it), not dumb soulless NPCs which just repeat same lines of dialogue for everyone, and you are not dependent on developers slowly releasing bits of "main adventure" with huge breaks in between. You will also get a sense of unlimited "exploration" because all locations are created by other people and everyone is free to create as many of them as they want to and you again do not have to depend on single lazy, greedy developer drip-feeding new zone release with huge breaks between releases. Same goes for "character creation" - you can literally have any shape you want to (within certain physical limits), with no pre-defined boring races or pre-defined boring outfits. You can also earn lots of real life money by doing something like creating cute furry VRChat avatar and streaming dancing yourself in that avatar on Twitch, or creating such avatars and selling them for $1000's to such streamers ;-)

Or just put some effort into finding some other hobby to enjoy - go do skydiving, or fishing, or build your own "dream" AR-15 rifle out of custom parts made by PSA/Anderson/Aero/Brownells/Noveske, or buy and restore old cars/houses then maybe flip them for higher price (or donate them to people who may need them), or start your own farm to grow marijuana to sell it to dispensaries (if you live in a right place). 
Anything is better than sulking in self-pity while posting on interwebs about your "desperation" of getting "that nostalgic MMO feeling of adventure" back (which you may never get back no matter how many new games you'll throw money on).

Amaranthar

user298 said:

Just play VRChat - you will have literally unlimited "adventures" because all of them are created by interacting with live players (and there are already plenty of them playing it), not dumb soulless NPCs which just repeat same lines of dialogue for everyone, and you are not dependent on developers slowly releasing bits of "main adventure" with huge breaks in between. You will also get a sense of unlimited "exploration" because all locations are created by other people and everyone is free to create as many of them as they want to and you again do not have to depend on single lazy, greedy developer drip-feeding new zone release with huge breaks between releases. Same goes for "character creation" - you can literally have any shape you want to (within certain physical limits), with no pre-defined boring races or pre-defined boring outfits. You can also earn lots of real life money by doing something like creating cute furry VRChat avatar and streaming dancing yourself in that avatar on Twitch, or creating such avatars and selling them for $1000's to such streamers ;-)

Or just put some effort into finding some other hobby to enjoy - go do skydiving, or fishing, or build your own "dream" AR-15 rifle out of custom parts made by PSA/Anderson/Aero/Brownells/Noveske, or buy and restore old cars/houses then maybe flip them for higher price (or donate them to people who may need them), or start your own farm to grow marijuana to sell it to dispensaries (if you live in a right place). 
Anything is better than sulking in self-pity while posting on interwebs about your "desperation" of getting "that nostalgic MMO feeling of adventure" back (which you may never get back no matter how many new games you'll throw money on).

Qbertq has a particular desire, and you're telling him/her to go find something else to do? 

Tokken

Qbertq said:

I just got burned by the Fractured Online refund policy.  I was told no refund because 'it wasn't returned in an unopened state.  15 minutes broke their policy..1 minute would break their policy..ludicrous.  I should hav waited for steam release then done it, but I was ansy in my pansy 

Never again!

Less than 48 hours later, I've done the same thing.  Hoping it turns out better.  Still, having been burned not 48 hours ago, why wouldn't I wait for steam?

It dawned on me, that I'm desperate for a new MMO.  I like the excitement of launch day and the gnashing of teeth a ND rending of garments.  I like that first character creation and learning the mechanics.  The enjoyment of first exploring a new univers.

It's been a bit.  I've had games I've had fun in, but nothing to get that sense of adventure.  So, I think I'm grasping at straws.  I did today what I said I would never do again.  It's like when I play the lottery (which I rarely do).  It's not the fact that lost.  It's the fact that if I buy a lottery ticket, I'm convinced that this it it!  So when I do lose, it's much more.  Said 

Anyone else, in this kinda 'help me obi wan MMO.  You are my only hope?

I feel your pain. I wish there was a new MMO to play that is worth playing. I kickstarted Fractured Online and regret it. No more kickstarts or crowdfunding for me.  I got burned on Shards Online (Legend of Ara) as well/ I think I have finally learned my lesson. I hope something decent comes out soon!!

PurplePepe

I must admit, I am desperate too. I am actually enjoying Tower of Fantasy. 

To be fair I did reinstall New World and am working on leveling a few things so I can give their new content a fair shake. I don't have confidence in Amazon Games being able to pull off a comeback a la FFARR or No Man's Sky. However, in their defense, I have only paid $40. A free look at the next content expansion is more than fair.

nate1980

@OP

I was in that same boat in the mid to late 2000's. I started playing MMORPG's in 2001 with DAoC, swapped to SWG in 2004, and MMO hopped for the next 6 years. I was searching for something in newer MMORPG's that I had in the earlier MMORPG's. That was group-based leveling, where you gathered a group to go grind camps with down-time built in for socialization. Since MMORPG's aren't like that anymore, I had to change in order to like the newer MMORPG's. I had to learn to appreciate the solo questing experience with grouping reserved primarily for instanced content. 

This has led to a different playstyle that leaves me more fluid in what I can enjoy and for how long. Now I don't stay subscribed to MMORPG's. I'll pick up a new one or expansion if it's interesting and then quit when it no longer is, or when the developer's build in obvious mechanics whose only purpose is to waste my time. I haven't played a MMORPG since New World released. Instead, I've been working on my backlog of single player steam games that I bought, but never played. I have enough steam games to last me 2 years minimum.

Enjoying SPG's has taken the pressure off finding a MMORPG to enjoy, as have my career, wife, and newborn son. I don't have time to dedicate to the parts of the MMORPG I enjoy, which is the grouped content and raids. At least not the way the communities are across the MMORPG's. Communities are too much in a rush to complete things, and always creating barriers to entry for joining their groups that aren't realistic for natural progression and are rude to people learning. 

My point is, try changing your attitude on what you enjoy and take the time to enjoy the games you're firing up. If that isn't doing it for you, play another genre. You'll be surprised at how refreshed you are for the MMORPG genre when you've had a multi-year break from it. 

Iselin

Kyleran said:

I'm enjoying New World well enough, standard MMORPG gameplay at early levels (17 ATM)

You're almost ready for your first expedition. Let me know what you think especially compared to ESO dungeons since I happen to think highly of NW expeditions.

cameltosis

Whilst I wouldn't call myself desperate, I haven't found an MMO worth my time for nearly a decade now. I keep trying out the new ones, but nothing has grabbed me. Part of that is my dislike of action combat, making most new games a no-go for me.

Part of it is simply experience. I've seen how certain designs inevitably lead to problems further down the road. So, when I see new games using the same faulty designs, I just don't bother. Given the stagnation of the genre, I basically see nothing but repeats of past mistakes. It can be really depressing at times.

What I do when I'm feeling nostalgic for the glory MMORPG days is try to examine exactly what it is im feeling nostaligic for. Then, I search out a single player game that will satisfy that feeling.

If I want a large, exciting world to explore? Well, there's a ton of action/adventure games with awesome worlds to explore.

If I want the enjoyment of long term progression? I tend to turn to survival games (like ARK) or builder games (like Planet Zoo or Cities: Skylines) as those games have long term goals that take time and dedication to reach.

If I want the intense experience of a difficult dungeon or raid? Well, I usually turn to racing games. Whilst they are completely different in terms of gameplay, they are similar in terms of intensity. Doing a 10 minute race in Project Cars requires the same sort of concentration as a 10 minute boss fight.

If I want the fun of a deep combat system? This is the hardest to achieve, as nothing in the single player world has ever come close to what I want. But, games like XCOM, or the recent Chaos Gate, are the closest I can get. They're still tactical, u still win based on decision making rather than stats or action. But, they lack the depth and speed of something like vanilla LotRO.

If I want some good PvP? Well, to be honest I play WAR RoR, the single player world obviosuly can't do PvP. But, at least playing an emulator is free!

Beyond all that, I lurk! Reading this site and MOP tends to help, both to remind how garbage current games are so that I don't waste my time on them, and to give me hope for the future.

AlBQuirky

I have felt as you do now, OP. I've come to realize that I can enjoy "other" forms of entertainment so that I don't have that "yearning" as intense as I once did.

I know that I'm not much help, I keep finding myself asking, "Do I really need to play an MMO right now?"

Sometimes, I'll load up an "emulator" like Project 99 for old EQ or a "WoW" emulator that hearkens to the old days. Even reading this thread reminded me that I haven't played Wizard101 in a long, long time. I still find enjoyment with that MMO, but not enough to keep me playing for any extended length of time.

TheDalaiBomba

When I'm not playing Restoration server, I load up System Shock 2 and continue my play through there in prep for the System Shock remake (which looks good based on the demo).

I would always recommend a gamer keep only one MMORPG in their stable....  But never recommend they play only that game.  This genre isn't in the shape it was when it first emerged, and trying to play it like it's still in that first golden era will only lead to frustration, burnout, and a desperate gullibility that leads to getting taken advantage of.  That's not a value judgement on anyone; it will happen to anyone who isn't careful in limiting their time spent following this genre specifically.

I have about a half a dozen in dev MMORPG projects in my Discord, but I make it a point to avoid browsing them more than once every month or so to avoid becoming too attached to any one idea or project.

Angrakhan

I'm playing New World on the PTR with the new patch. The game has improved quite a bit since launch. The great sword is really good and fun to use. I see a lot of players with it. Granted testing it is part of the goal of the PTR, and if you're not interested in it, you might as well just play the live version. Anyway, I'd say the game is going in a good direction, but there's plenty of room for improvement. Having fun, though.

Dibdabs

cameltosis said:

Whilst I wouldn't call myself desperate, I haven't found an MMO worth my time for nearly a decade now. I keep trying out the new ones, but nothing has grabbed me. Part of that is my dislike of action combat, making most new games a no-go for me.

I agree completely.  I don't mind Guild Wars 2, Cyberpunk 2077, ESO, Valheim, V Rising or New World (to name but a few) but I'm just not that interested in playing them.  All of them (and more) got real tedious, real fast, which is because I have played too many games in the last 20+ years, really, and I just feel I have seen it all before. 

DigDuggy

Kyleran said:

I'm enjoying New World well enough, standard MMORPG gameplay at early levels (17 ATM)

I'll have to try and go back.  For some reason, when I leave a game and go back, I have to start a new character.  With linear games like this, that means playing the same thing for a good amount of time.  It's been a while though, so enough has probably changed that it'll be fresh'ish.  I also enjoyed it.

DigDuggy

user298 said:

Just play VRChat - you will have literally unlimited "adventures" because all of them are created by interacting with live players (and there are already plenty of them playing it), not dumb soulless NPCs which just repeat same lines of dialogue for everyone, and you are not dependent on developers slowly releasing bits of "main adventure" with huge breaks in between. You will also get a sense of unlimited "exploration" because all locations are created by other people and everyone is free to create as many of them as they want to and you again do not have to depend on single lazy, greedy developer drip-feeding new zone release with huge breaks between releases. Same goes for "character creation" - you can literally have any shape you want to (within certain physical limits), with no pre-defined boring races or pre-defined boring outfits. You can also earn lots of real life money by doing something like creating cute furry VRChat avatar and streaming dancing yourself in that avatar on Twitch, or creating such avatars and selling them for $1000's to such streamers ;-)

Or just put some effort into finding some other hobby to enjoy - go do skydiving, or fishing, or build your own "dream" AR-15 rifle out of custom parts made by PSA/Anderson/Aero/Brownells/Noveske, or buy and restore old cars/houses then maybe flip them for higher price (or donate them to people who may need them), or start your own farm to grow marijuana to sell it to dispensaries (if you live in a right place). 
Anything is better than sulking in self-pity while posting on interwebs about your "desperation" of getting "that nostalgic MMO feeling of adventure" back (which you may never get back no matter how many new games you'll throw money on).

Wow, 'sulking in self pity'  A bit harsh, was only meant more of a conversation.  I do have other things I do, but I want to play an MMO at the moment.  I don't know if I'm ready for the AR 15 route though.  Glad to know there is one person I can rely on to have a nice little convo.

DigDuggy

Tokken said:

Qbertq said:

I just got burned by the Fractured Online refund policy.  I was told no refund because 'it wasn't returned in an unopened state.  15 minutes broke their policy..1 minute would break their policy..ludicrous.  I should hav waited for steam release then done it, but I was ansy in my pansy 

Never again!

Less than 48 hours later, I've done the same thing.  Hoping it turns out better.  Still, having been burned not 48 hours ago, why wouldn't I wait for steam?

It dawned on me, that I'm desperate for a new MMO.  I like the excitement of launch day and the gnashing of teeth a ND rending of garments.  I like that first character creation and learning the mechanics.  The enjoyment of first exploring a new univers.

It's been a bit.  I've had games I've had fun in, but nothing to get that sense of adventure.  So, I think I'm grasping at straws.  I did today what I said I would never do again.  It's like when I play the lottery (which I rarely do).  It's not the fact that lost.  It's the fact that if I buy a lottery ticket, I'm convinced that this it it!  So when I do lose, it's much more.  Said 

Anyone else, in this kinda 'help me obi wan MMO.  You are my only hope?

I feel your pain. I wish there was a new MMO to play that is worth playing. I kickstarted Fractured Online and regret it. No more kickstarts or crowdfunding for me.  I got burned on Shards Online (Legend of Ara) as well/ I think I have finally learned my lesson. I hope something decent comes out soon!!

I still kickstart some board games (amazing how they've matured.  They is all growed up) but software, never again. 

DigDuggy

worldsbestdad said:

Find appreciation in the good games and classics that already exist.
Be pleasantly surprised when something better releases.

Everyday of life shouldn't be spent in a directionless search for a revolutionary new MMORPG to play. It is an endless cycle of waiting for the next Half Life 3 of MMORPGs and progressively shitting on each one that comes out without giving them a fighting chance. (That's not to say in this particular instance that Fractured doesn't totally suck, but there are other good games out there.)

I'm definitely not looking for that mythical groundbreaking MMO.  Just something that's fun.  I've started tooling around with Dual Universe.  Way too early to tell, but it seems kinda neat, so I'm cautiously optimistic.   It does seem like one of those games that is gonna need a healthy population to be successful though.  There are a lot of good games out there, I've just gotta figure out which one will fill that 'itch'

Theocritus

Desperate is never a good place to be in anything in life...We tend to make bad decisions when we are desperate.....As you get a little older, you tend to learn patience a little more....The more you have experienced, the better prepared you are to handle things, even in gaming.....

Kyleran

Theocritus said:

Desperate is never a good place to be in anything in life...We tend to make bad decisions when we are desperate.....As you get a little older, you tend to learn patience a little more....The more you have experienced, the better prepared you are to handle things, even in gaming.....

Oh, I dunno, sometimes desperation makes people try or do new things they normally wouldn't, for better and worse.

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kitarad

Why don't you play some older MMORPGs instead of chasing these new ones?

Xiaoki

kitarad said:

Why don't you play some older MMORPGs instead of chasing these new ones?

Because even with emulated servers old MMOs are mostly the same but the people playing them are not.

nate1980

Robokapp said:

WoW: Wotlk is coming out in 8 days. compared to the trash cans you've been digging in for a new MMO, WoW will be good. 

I wouldn't recommend it. I was highly anticipating its release when the original Classic servers were released years ago. The rush of players, and everyone helping each other out in the early days of it released turned into mage boosting and eventually GKDP's. The culture on the classic servers isn't what I experienced when I started playing WoW and the min/max or die culture from retail has bleed over as well. They also aren't including the RDF, which is a requirement for me since I have limited time every day to play due to real life (career and wife/kid). When fresh servers were announced I almost resubbed, but after reading up on what's been going on in the classic WoW community since I quit a few years ago, I decided against it. 

kitarad

Xiaoki said:

kitarad said:

Why don't you play some older MMORPGs instead of chasing these new ones?

Because even with emulated servers old MMOs are mostly the same but the people playing them are not.

Sorry I am missing the point. The game is the same but the people aren't but newer games have the same players? How is that good?

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Dattelis

Robokapp said:

nate1980 said:

Robokapp said:

WoW: Wotlk is coming out in 8 days. compared to the trash cans you've been digging in for a new MMO, WoW will be good. 

They also aren't including the RDF, which is a requirement for me since I have limited time every day to play due to real life (career and wife/kid). 

RDF didnt exist until the very last batch of dungeons released. it was about a year and a half after launch?

Its blizzard after all though. They'll probably add it later on.

My only problem with classic has been how they try to market boosts by saying there's only 'one per account' even though you can do a boost + account transfer, which is what these bots have been doing since TBCC. Its not like it takes long to make 90-100$ in battle balance any way on retail.