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D4 beta bricking 3080 GPUs
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Judging by the comments in that thread, it seems to be the card series and not the game itself, with even some admitting that the game ran fine on different cards. This ended up being a problem with New World as well, that it was the card at fault and not the game. That said, I have an older rig and I haven't experienced anything like that, but I do get a lot of lag and stutterings in the overworld. In dungeons, everything runs perfectly fine for me. It doesn't really feel more graphically intensive than Lost Ark in some areas, not 100% sure why I can run that better in many areas than this.
Probably the same problem as New World's beta had with some RTX 3090's: GPU manufacturers try to clock their top end GPUs as high as possible without breaking them down, and sometimes they get it a bit wrong resulting in those cards breaking in certain situation.
I feel that maybe in certain areas the gpu fps is running away like a cat on fire and that is the issue and possibly causing these spikes, I do believe that was the main issues with new world and the start/character screen or so.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
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Games do not manage your GPU's clock speed or temperatures. A game can basically only ask your GPU to draw stuff as soon as it can.
Then the GPU has its own software and hardware which manage things like clock speeds, power use, voltages, fan speeds, etc. Basically the GPU and its own software always set a speed limit for the game's requests to draw as soon as possible.
If the GPU breaks down, the game may have been bombarding it with stupid draw requests, but it's still always a failure on the GPU's part for setting the speed limit too high. The game can't set your GPU's speeds and it can't break down your GPU, your GPU and its drivers are the only ones capable of doing that.
EDIT: This is a simplification, since actually games do manage your GPU somewhat by having the option to draw nothing for the time being. But that kind of management is considered to be there more for eco-reasons. The GPU sets the upper speed limit, and a smartly done game then saves power by taking breaks between frames so that it doesn't exceed its target framerate.
Then in 2011, AMD introduced PowerTune. The idea is that AMD GPUs would have some power circuitry to monitor power consumption in real time. If it went over some fixed limit, then the GPU would automatically throttle back just far enough to stay within the safe limit. That would make AMD GPUs basically immune to a power virus, as the card would automatically throttle back. The power cap could be adjusted by the end user, but if you increase it yourself and then fry the card, that's your own fault.
In 2012, Nvidia introduced GPU turbo. Nvidia GPUs would clock higher when Nvidia thought it was safe, and throttle back when necessary. What exactly would cause cards to clock higher or lower wasn't entirely clear. It doesn't seem to match AMD's approach of having a hard cap on power consumption, however.
So AMD and Nvidia both had ways to adjust GPU clock speeds to get more performance when safe and throttle back when necessary. Only AMD did so by monitoring power consumption in real time, however. A distinction without a difference? Well, there's one difference that should be clear. Ever notice that when some game is frying a bunch of video cards, it's only Nvidia cards that have that problem and not AMD? PowerTune works and Nvidia still doesn't have it more than a decade later.
It's unlikely that all the games breaking GPUs are coincidentally huge releases that gain suddenly giant number of players. It's much more likely that we see only the tip of the iceberg because most releases that tend to break GPUs won't cause enough simultaneous breakdowns that we'd notice.
Also NVidia has been selling 3 times as many discrete GPUs as AMD since the release of GTX 970. If we only notice the most numerous cases then those are liable to be all NVidia.
We're got very little data of how often GPUs actually break. I think the best one we have is Mindfactory's RMA data from 2020, which back then told us that Powercolor had problems but other than that the breakdowns were distributed quite evenly between all of the manufacturers:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQbqvpHU0z6oK9HaCRbDPhkEoq5OA32mRGysyDZYhFsAk2kwKie-DaKplFyco7vwlw3ansFpjNstrpG/pubhtml
Some brands just make crap cards with the cheapest possible components. Powercolor are known for that, so are EVGA for instance. For both nVidia and AMD cards.
In my company, we mostly use ASUS cards and have a very low RMA on them, if any. Yeah, they cost a few bucks more, but you get what you're paying for. No cheap ass components (notably capacitors) which break under the first stress.
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Throughout history we have moved to becoming a more indoor, less outgoing people. If we don't travel to work we are becoming more like the society conceived in Asimov's Naked Sun.
People are already talking about the way after work meet ups have been impacted. Going to a bar and so on, but also I know of role playing groups that have now switched to the likes of Skype because if players are not coming in to work they will not meet up.
We are becoming nations of homebody's who are not let out to play when children and don't leave the home to work or play. Anyway back to living of the grid.
I would have been so happy with the option to work from home as it took me almost 2 hours to commute when I was working. Most parents are extremely grateful to have that extra time to spend with their children.
Missing after work meetups is nothing compared to the extra time you get to spend with your family. But then @Scot I must say your thoughts are that of a typical male who does not have to go home and do the bulk of the housework after work. So the after work meetups is a loss that is keenly felt by you but not a working mother.
I get where you are coming from, but what about all the single guys and gals? It would be interesting to know what age groups are going in? Maybe it is the young ones who are turning up so than can go out after work?
Also unless they have kids, are married couples going to stay in, not knocking marriage but it is starting to sound like a home arrest prison sentence. Surely marriages work better with some time apart now and then?
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I doubt we will even go back this year. Our company is kicking ass and our CEO doesn't want to rock the boat. Our main office lease expires next year and we will likely make a joint campus with some of our sister BUs. Mostly around shared office space as opposed to having dedicated offices or desks, and lots of meeting rooms. The theory being that you come into the office for work a day or two and then have team meetings once or twice a month.
I totally prefer working from home
But in all seriousness the biggest benefit has been skipping a 45 minute drive each way. Overall I now "work" more hours than I did pre-pandemic because since I am hope I'm always connected. Desktop, laptop... phone. And now all the office tools are right on my phone so I can host a teams meeting from my Car and even see slides and presentations on it.
I was literally playing D4 on my Desktop Friday and Monday while sitting on calls on my laptop. Multitasking for the win!
It's also why I post on here so much. MMORPG is always open on my desktop, which I sit at much of the day while working.
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I had 2 issues the whole time, one was that while on battery the game wouldn't run at all, even if I forced it to use the 3080 in high performance, and drop down to the lowest graphics setting.
The second was one time booting up the game it went to a black screen and crashed the PC. That's not uncommon though. Seen that even on my desktop 3080ti. Something with the driver crashing, or so the event logs say.