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What Class Should You Play in Diablo 4: Season of the Malignant? | MMORPG.com

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Diablo 4's first season, Season of the Malignant, has been out for a bit now. Kanishka goes over the various classes to help those still on the fence which class they should look at when building their next character.

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  • toljartoljar Member UncommonPosts: 240
    I had such high hopes for this game. My general opinion for anyone, if you are after a really good story, this is a solid game. But, if you are looking for gameplay, somewhat balanced classes and not having to worry about your spec being nerfed into the ground once it starts doing well enough for your pacing... Well, then I would suggest avoiding this one for a long while.
    To top things off besides this feeling, not like any other Diablo game with a proven gearing/progression system that people enjoy. You are constantly fighting a terrible feeling energy system where you will spend most of the game hitting like a wet noodle to get enough energy to do 2-3 attacks, then back to spending time hitting for almost no damage. It feels slow and clunky and the real end game is getting enough resource management items to be able to use your big spells without spending most of your time using builders.
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  • AeanderAeander Member LegendaryPosts: 8,028
    People complain about being nerfed into the ground, while forgetting that they asked for a game like Diablo 2 - a game in which combat is glacially slow, a majority of your attacks WILL miss unless you throw many points into Dex, loot is stingy, xp gains are pathetic, enemies hit like a truck, mana costs are huge, and some bosses are fully capable of one-shotting you.

    They gave you what you asked for, and you just forgot how shit it was.
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  • AngrakhanAngrakhan Member EpicPosts: 1,750
    Yeah honestly I got my druid to the low 50's and then the ESO expansion went on sale. D4 leveling is such a slog right now. They really need to smooth out the transition from World Tier 2 to 3. At least on my druid he cleared the Capstone dungeon in T2 with zero issues at 50. Probably could have done it at 48. But then you switch to T3 and everything is level 55+ and you're getting one shot pretty often. Finishing dungeons is out of the question because even the elites wipe the floor with you. Bosses in hell tides are 58 which is just laughably out of the question. So you (or at least I) had to slink back to T2 and just pure xp grind up to 52 in order to go back to T3. It's totally doable but also totally boring. He's 54 now and does T3 content just fine, but my motivation is lacking knowing how long it takes to get to 100 for me on my casual schedule.

    D3 had a much smoother transition between difficulty levels. Anyway, I'm not seeing anything super compelling to continue investing time into this season. I'll keep an eye out for future updates and maybe drop back in down the road.
  • ACommonMuggerACommonMugger Member RarePosts: 558
    It's honestly one of the funniest things to watch the community ask for features D3 had after bitching about it for years.
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  • AeanderAeander Member LegendaryPosts: 8,028
    It's honestly one of the funniest things to watch the community ask for features D3 had after bitching about it for years.
    Because as it turns out, D3 was actually one of the best games in the genre, and is easily the game with the best quality-of-life features.
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  • Pher0ciousPher0cious Member RarePosts: 526
    edited August 2023
    It's sad to see no one knows how to play a game anymore. Everyone just want instant gratification by running to maxroll to copy paste. Listening to their favorite streamers and youtubers telling them what to do, how to play, and what to think. This herd mentality needs to end. Laziness needs to end.

    The truth is D4 is as casual and easy as D3 was. It is no where near as grindy as D2 was. Understanding the mechanics to figure out how to create a build is very straight forward. This attitude of "I turn my brain off" to play games is so toxic. All the trend chasers are even worse. All will be better when there is something new for them to hate and whine about.
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  • ACommonMuggerACommonMugger Member RarePosts: 558
    edited August 2023
    Aeander said:
    It's honestly one of the funniest things to watch the community ask for features D3 had after bitching about it for years.
    Because as it turns out, D3 was actually one of the best games in the genre, and is easily the game with the best quality-of-life features.
    It's almost like they learned from their mistakes and made it way, wwaayyy better, but people refused to look past the real money auction house launch and wrote it off out of spite. 
  • ACommonMuggerACommonMugger Member RarePosts: 558
    edited August 2023
    It's sad to see no one knows how to play a game anymore. Everyone just want instant gratification by running to maxroll to copy paste. Listening to their favorite streamers and youtubers telling them what to do, how to play, and what to think. This herd mentality needs to end. Laziness needs to end.

    The truth is D4 is as casual and easy as D3 was. It is no where near as grindy as D2 was. Understanding the mechanics to figure out how to create a build is very straight forward. This attitude of "I turn my brain off" to play games is so toxic. All the trend chasers are even worse. All will be better when there is something new for them to hate and whine about.



    A couple of things. 

    1) While I agree with herd mentality = bad, complaining about people doing meta builds and following trends is not an argument anymore. It's an unfortunate fact of gaming we gotta accept - and games need to build around it. I don't like it either but they need to make builds somewhat even in power level and fun in order to make them viable for play. 

    I'm personally of the mindset that you should just enjoy the game at least on the first playthrough without looking anything up, but that's just not the norm anymore. 

    2) D4 has grind. Not as grindy as D2, but it's grinder by far than D3. Items like Harlequin Crest, The Grandfather, The Andariels Visage, The Doombringer, The Melted Heart Of Selig & The RIng Of Starless Skies all have very, very low drop rates and are very, very good. That's good enough for a grind, and they are undoubtably going to add more. I'm not sure why you think this is different from D2 grind.

    3) What are you talking about? MOST popular games don't do the 'Turn off your brain' game play. All FPS games don't. Most RPGs require you to pay attention to the story if you want to know what's going on, and most adventure games have you paying attention to the screen at all times.

    I don't know if you should blame your ADHD on game development and toxicity, or maybe you should look into different games than what you are playing.

    Or hell, play D4 if you want to play D4, just put it on the highest difficulty at all times, hardcore and play a squishy like Sorc or Rogue. 




    Also, above all else I've said - it's very weird to try and gate keep people's definition of fun in a video game due to someone you deem as being 'lazy'. That's a very weird mentality, and maybe you should step back from gaming in general if you legitimately feel this way, cause it's obviously jaded you. 
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  • GermzypieGermzypie Member UncommonPosts: 169
    The game is good, as long as you take the time to figure out how all your gear interacts and come up with a good build. However, most "casual" players, just want to log in and play. I can see how some would struggle as they advance to higher tiers.

    Real question should be, is this all there is to the seasons? Why should i join a guild? Is there a cow level? What factors determine where i respawn in a dungeon after death (furthest point possible?)?
  • slowz2secretslowz2secret Member RarePosts: 445
    None, play Baldur's Gate 3
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  • Pher0ciousPher0cious Member RarePosts: 526
    edited August 2023




    It's sad to see no one knows how to play a game anymore. Everyone just want instant gratification by running to maxroll to copy paste. Listening to their favorite streamers and youtubers telling them what to do, how to play, and what to think. This herd mentality needs to end. Laziness needs to end.



    The truth is D4 is as casual and easy as D3 was. It is no where near as grindy as D2 was. Understanding the mechanics to figure out how to create a build is very straight forward. This attitude of "I turn my brain off" to play games is so toxic. All the trend chasers are even worse. All will be better when there is something new for them to hate and whine about.





    A couple of things. 

    1) While I agree with herd mentality = bad, complaining about people doing meta builds and following trends is not an argument anymore. It's an unfortunate fact of gaming we gotta accept - and games need to build around it. I don't like it either but they need to make builds somewhat even in power level and fun in order to make them viable for play. 

    I'm personally of the mindset that you should just enjoy the game at least on the first playthrough without looking anything up, but that's just not the norm anymore. 

    2) D4 has grind. Not as grindy as D2, but it's grinder by far than D3. Items like Harlequin Crest, The Grandfather, The Andariels Visage, The Doombringer, The Melted Heart Of Selig & The RIng Of Starless Skies all have very, very low drop rates and are very, very good. That's good enough for a grind, and they are undoubtably going to add more. I'm not sure why you think this is different from D2 grind.

    3) What are you talking about? MOST popular games don't do the 'Turn off your brain' game play. All FPS games don't. Most RPGs require you to pay attention to the story if you want to know what's going on, and most adventure games have you paying attention to the screen at all times.

    I don't know if you should blame your ADHD on game development and toxicity, or maybe you should look into different games than what you are playing.

    Or hell, play D4 if you want to play D4, just put it on the highest difficulty at all times, hardcore and play a squishy like Sorc or Rogue. 




    Also, above all else I've said - it's very weird to try and gate keep people's definition of fun in a video game due to someone you deem as being 'lazy'. That's a very weird mentality, and maybe you should step back from gaming in general if you legitimately feel this way, cause it's obviously jaded you. 



    It's really sad that the recent generation of gamers treat gaming as some kind of efficiency competition. Or how to be efficient simulators.

    I first noticed this back in 2010 with starcraft 2. I was playing the beta and I noticed 7/10 matches were just zergling rushes by my opponents. And I thought why? Zergling rushes all the time is so boring. I quickly realized that it was about efficiency. They wanted to start and finish as many games as possible within an hour, win or lose. When their rushes fail, they just quit, they don't even try to make a comeback because that means the game would take 20-40 mins. Not very efficient at getting as many games in as possible within an hour.

    The problem with that is they don't really learn the game. They just understand this one tiny aspect of the game to rinse and repeat for the sake of efficiency. This is "fun" to them. I don't. I think that's boring as fuck. And D4 is filled with these kind of players, or I should say whiners.

    The most common thing you hear is "this slows me down"
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  • RaagnarzRaagnarz Member RarePosts: 647
    edited August 2023
    A Gold Dwarf Tempest Priest man does it look sweet...oh wait thats the game I'm actually playing right now. In all seriousness I don't hate D4 it's just a game that was rushed out the door a year too early and so we're paying Blizzard for early access effectively. I have no doubt it was Bobby Koticks decision and he forced them to release it this year in this state. The game is slow, but I like the slower pace akin to D2. The game has a great foundation, and is well made overall, but SORELY lacking in features and it's design wasn't exactly tailor made for seasons. They need to make it so you don't have do to every single side quest and such every season just to get the renown. If you did it on the Eternal Realm characters once, you should never have to do them again in Seasons. Also until this game has sets, runes and runewords, until gemstones mean something, until there is more to do endgame than nightmare dungeons and helltide this game is going to keep under performing. Wait until season 2. Season 1 had most of the people playing because they bought it via the early access beta weekends because of the preorder bonuses. Blizzard is gonna feel the financial hit hard when S2 drops and it sells next to no battle passes. If that happens I expect Bobby Boy to make them start selling pay to win items or cancelling all future development other than the first expansion currently being worked on.
  • GravebladeGraveblade Member UncommonPosts: 547
    edited August 2023
    It's really sad that the recent generation of gamers treat gaming as some kind of efficiency competition. Or how to be efficient simulators...
    Yep, it does suck. Just need to ignore it and play how you want to. I do think it is a shame though as it seems to have tainted the industry somewhat.

    What I thought was really quite pathetic, was how so much of D4 was already figured out PRIOR to launch. There were already builds being created, min-maxing, guides... The game wasn't even out yet! It just makes me facepalm.

    Surely playing an rpg should be about playing your fantasy class/role and actually enjoying the experience of playing the game?

    Many rpg gamers these days don't seem to play games for that though... They seem to just try to find the sweatlordiest of builds and combinations straight off the bat. It is barely like they are actually really playing the game... In essence, they are just running the numbers in a spreadsheet, rather than playing combinations that they feel would actually be fun to play based on either a preferred personal class fantasy, and/or what style they might like based on the attack types and animations. It is kind of derranged and sad.
    Started playing mmorpg's in 1996 and have been hooked ever since. It began with Kingdom of Drakkar, Ultima Online, Everquest, DAoC, WoW...
  • ValdemarJValdemarJ Member RarePosts: 1,378
    I've only played Sorc and Necro, but I'd recommend either.

    A spark chain lightning build is fun and very resilient with teleport and ice shield up to level 50ish. Then it's time to make some choices, like every other class.

    Necro is already strong and a bone spear + minions build is fun to level with up to 50. I recommend going minions at least until you get decent enough gear, gems, and aspects to support a solo bone spear loadout. The thing is the minions actually help survivability and ttk up until the 50s, compared to solo unless you have the supporting gear and procs.
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    Crusader .. oh wait...nm
  • Viper482Viper482 Member LegendaryPosts: 4,099

    Angrakhan said:

    Yeah honestly I got my druid to the low 50's and then the ESO expansion went on sale. D4 leveling is such a slog right now. They really need to smooth out the transition from World Tier 2 to 3. At least on my druid he cleared the Capstone dungeon in T2 with zero issues at 50. Probably could have done it at 48. But then you switch to T3 and everything is level 55+ and you're getting one shot pretty often. Finishing dungeons is out of the question because even the elites wipe the floor with you. Bosses in hell tides are 58 which is just laughably out of the question. So you (or at least I) had to slink back to T2 and just pure xp grind up to 52 in order to go back to T3. It's totally doable but also totally boring. He's 54 now and does T3 content just fine, but my motivation is lacking knowing how long it takes to get to 100 for me on my casual schedule.



    D3 had a much smoother transition between difficulty levels. Anyway, I'm not seeing anything super compelling to continue investing time into this season. I'll keep an eye out for future updates and maybe drop back in down the road.



    The problem isn't the game, it's people whose only focus is getting to level 100. I am surprised every time I level because I'm just playing the game because it's fun to play and I like fleshing my build out.

    These devs messed up with one thing, they forgot gamers these days only care about getting to the end of the game so they can complain about it.
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  • ArchandesArchandes Member UncommonPosts: 41


    None, play Baldur's Gate 3



    I think many people does right now, but not for long because the game is not designed for a long term. Unless you got active RP group or inner circle which further spice the whole storyline that is the main strongpoint for Baldur's Gate 3
  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,273
    I am waiting for the Season of Cute and Cuddly...it's gonna happen honest guys! :)
  • nate1980nate1980 Member UncommonPosts: 2,072
    I bought D4 pre-order. A total waste of money for me, because I didn't get my money's worth. First Diablo game I didn't even finish the campaign. The reason's why are:

    1. The game didn't offer a class I enjoy playing. I enjoy Paladin type classes, or a melee battlemage type class. Grim Dawn and Titan Quest series are my favorites ARPG's to date.

    2. I don't like their open world concept or their level syncing. I prefer traditional ARPG's way of world building and the power fantasy included with leveling up, getting more items, and mobs getting easier.

    3. I didn't feel like the game allowed me freedom of choice in building my character. You should be able to take any core skill, building around it with gear and supporting skills, and feel viable. Instead, as others mentioned, you struggled with resource generation and the basic attack was very weak. Blizzard can iron this out, but they charged more than full price for the game + added a cash shop + a battlepass in the game. This is their 5th Diablo game, so they should have the experience to release a Diablo game in a finished state. The game felt like it was released in a Beta state. That is disrespectful to the players and this, more than anything else, is a big reason to never buy another Blizzard product again. They keep making the same mistakes as they've been making with WoW and Overwatch.

    4. They're pushing for the community to play past the campaign, but didn't release content to keep most players engaged. Sure, there's time wasting activities you can take part of, but the M+ system they have for nightmare dungeons is crap. I don't like M+ in WoW and I sure as hell didn't want it in a Diablo game. For the record, I liked repeating the campain in D3 and the greater rift system. I'm not one of those players that complained about D3. D4 is the first Diablo game I ever felt cheated out of my money enough to actually post anything negative.

    5. Reknown system and other collectibles. I don't enjoy these kind of game mechanics. They're time wasters and if given the option, no gamer would willingly grind reknown or collect Lilith statues. It doesn't add any "fun" value to the game and is a blatant effort to extend "played time/engagement" metrics.

    In summary, the game was released in an unfinished state, yet charged above market value for a new game when also considering they are also charging you for shop items and battlepasses. Look to Larian and FromSoft on how to be profitable while also releasing a good game with gamers in mind and not taxing gamers with extra purchases. In the end, Blizzard who created the original Warcraft and Starcraft games is gone. All that's left is Activision who markets Blizzard's once good name and IP's to squeeze as much cash from the players as possible.

    If people actually enjoy D4, then I'm happy for you and I wish you the best. Otherwise, I encourage everyone to not pick up or play the game. The only way companies will learn is to hit them where it hurts. Don't hate play this game, sending the message that gamers want more games designed like this and buy in to their monetization practices. Instead, pick up games like BG3 and Elden Ring and other indie titles that release better quality games, for a fraction of the price, and without microtransactions.
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  • nate1980nate1980 Member UncommonPosts: 2,072


    It's really sad that the recent generation of gamers treat gaming as some kind of efficiency competition. Or how to be efficient simulators...


    Yep, it does suck. Just need to ignore it and play how you want to. I do think it is a shame though as it seems to have tainted the industry somewhat.



    What I thought was really quite pathetic, was how so much of D4 was already figured out PRIOR to launch. There were already builds being created, min-maxing, guides... The game wasn't even out yet! It just makes me facepalm.



    Surely playing an rpg should be about playing your fantasy class/role and actually enjoying the experience of playing the game?



    Many rpg gamers these days don't seem to play games for that though... They seem to just try to find the sweatlordiest of builds and combinations straight off the bat. It is barely like they are actually really playing the game... In essence, they are just running the numbers in a spreadsheet, rather than playing combinations that they feel would actually be fun to play based on either a preferred personal class fantasy, and/or what style they might like based on the attack types and animations. It is kind of derranged and sad.



    Don't forget that all of you complaining about gamers these days are also gamers playing games. This proves that there are people who aren't like those you're complaining about buying and playing games. In fact, I think we're the silent majority just doing our thing. Outside of MMORPG's, I ignore what the vocal elitist type players are doing or saying in game or on Twitch or Youtube. The only problem with gamers like that in MMORPG's is that they control the lion share of groups and gatekeep. So I don't even bother with those games anymore.
  • Psychos1sPsychos1s Member UncommonPosts: 195
    Aeander said:
    People complain about being nerfed into the ground, while forgetting that they asked for a game like Diablo 2 - a game in which combat is glacially slow, a majority of your attacks WILL miss unless you throw many points into Dex, loot is stingy, xp gains are pathetic, enemies hit like a truck, mana costs are huge, and some bosses are fully capable of one-shotting you.

    They gave you what you asked for, and you just forgot how shit it was.
    Dunno what version of D2 you played but D4 is nothing like it apart from a darker tone than D3. Been playing D2R again after the disaster that is D4 and can confirm my FoHdin is indeed glacially slow, takes me about 2 mins to clear Chaos Sanc.  The constant out of mana is a pain as well, at least I suppose it sort of was when I was level 2 without mana pots, then again I just pop a mana pot and back to full. Xp gains are so bad I can boost someone to 70+ in prob an hour. Oh and all those 1 shot bosses that I've never come across except maybe uber trist. 

    They gave no one what they asked for. The game is another Mickey Mouse attempt from a dev team that is lost outside of working on an 18 year old MMO.
  • AeanderAeander Member LegendaryPosts: 8,028
    Scot said:
    I am waiting for the Season of Cute and Cuddly...it's gonna happen honest guys! :)
    Why not? Diablo 2 had the cow level, and Diablo 3 had Whimsyshire.
  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,273
    Aeander said:
    Scot said:
    I am waiting for the Season of Cute and Cuddly...it's gonna happen honest guys! :)
    Why not? Diablo 2 had the cow level, and Diablo 3 had Whimsyshire.
    I thought they had gone full on grim dark for D4, but we shall see. :)
  • GorweGorwe Member Posts: 1,593
    You should play something else. D4 is such a mess right now.
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