I'm going to offer up the obligatory response before anyone else chimes in: Okay boomer.
Okay, Boomer.
In all seriousness, I completely agree with @Sovrath's post above. I play Genshin with my daughter mostly because it's time spent with them, not because I like Genshin (I just cannot get into it).
I will say it took me multiple tries to really get into FFXIV despite being a fan of the series my whole gaming life. It can be a struggle, but it's made all the better with someone to experience it with. It tells such a beautiful story that spans so many beats, from loss, existentialism, commentary on society, fellowship, and more. The payoff is great, but the real payoff is creating memories with the kiddo if you two play together.
You know, she has said this same thing about the story. For her that has been the biggest selling point.
I'm going to be really upset if ya'll talk me into this....
It is the only MMO story I've ever played that made me cry like a baby at 3am.
Only other game recently to do this to me was FFXVI and Kingdom Hearts III.
God, KH3....
I'm totally into anything that makes MMORPG editors cry. Dang, how much is this game?
I'm confused on why this post exists. If its just to vent about what the younger generation defines as 'good' then I can understand. But if its to try and find a way to convince someone what you like is better than what they like......think about that for a moment.....Some people like soap operas, while others find them 'hot garbage' but why should either care? Sure, many games in general these days try to cast a wide net to get as many people as they can, but I dont personally think 14 ever tried to do that. I haven't even really ever heard a developer tell their player base that if they dont like what their game has to offer then they dont have to play it often if they dont want to before Yoshida (EA tried this but that was on a whole social justice issue and failed miserably for them, I think it was about Battlefield 1 or something). If you dont like what people in your orbit like then just tell them you dont and move on. Pretty simple. You dont try to convince someone to stop eating bananas and that they should try oranges instead just because you dont like bananas, even if they are both fruits.
I tried to get into FF14, because my static got into it and they loved it, I figured this should be a no brainer, I mean if they like it, this has to be some good shite, and I am just going to like it as well... right?
well... I tried, for some I put in a solid 20ish hours, others more, just to feel.. something... and for the life of me, I got nothing.
But .. l'm gonna share a gamer cheat code with you.
Let her talk with you about the game she loves, listen to what she did in game, and be a part of it that way
Ask her what new weapons, horses, unicorn farts, and glitter ass she got in the game, and just be a part of that with her. Listen to her frustrations about getting that last ass hair off a angry harpy to make a vest of huge tracks of land, or whatever
Or maybe just be happy she finally killed that ogre or something, and share in that victory!
Ask her to share some screenshots on social media of what she's doing, her characters, and the like, or in my case, we did that over Discord.
They would link shit, and I would say things like "Oh fuck yah mate! that looks like it could chop the balls off a dragon" or some such, I suppose you will say different things with your daughter, but, as gamers, no doubt, it will all amount to "Oh shite mate that looks like it fling the neither's off a dragon"
This Happened to me ArcheAge and ESO, everyone loved these games, and I am wondering what gives and why I don't like these other supposedly epic shizzle games?
So, while I played whatever lame ass game I was hopelessly addicted to, I would listen to them, share in their joy, encourage them on, cheer their victories, cuss out the people that caused them defeat, make up insulting names for the things or players, or teams that were stonewalling them, and all in all, while I was not playing with them, I was still their teammate telling them to kick massive ass
I felt like a benchwarmer on a football team, but, I was still part of the team, even if I was not playing, you know?
Anyway, wishing you the best with this situation of yours.
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
I just didn't get the sense that you grab a torch, and pathetic sword, wander out of town and kick open the door to a crypt and peek inside. I think I miss that more than anything.
Gives that old school "Oh shit" feeling, when you kick open the wrong door
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
So my adult daughter is all excited about Final Fantasy XIV. She'd like me to join her, so I let her give me a tour.
IMHO, everything about that game is so overwrought that it broke my brain. I really do detest high fantasy - the way over done armors, everything glitters, the UI looks like Unicorns are farting glitter all over waterfall of Skittles.
I wasn't even sure there was a game world, to be honest. And this is what really didn't work for me.
My kid was able to teleport all over the place - from dungeon to dungeon - and even change characters at the new location (if I understood what was going on, I cannot be sure, the casino interface kept throwing me). The dungeons seemed like set pieces to me and not locations that would be fun to explore. Sure, the graphics were pretty in places, but they never gave me the feeling that it might be fun to peek around the corner. I didn't get the sense that she was part of a world but rather that the entire game is a lobby. Volcanos in the background, crashing spaceships, moons and unicorns, fighting a armored horse while riding a motorcycle - what hot garbage.
As for locations, when everything is the Taj Mahal what do you think you'll find around the corner but another Taj Mahal?
Is it well done? Obviously, it is for the target audience.
I just didn't get the sense that you grab a torch, and pathetic sword, wander out of town and kick open the door to a crypt and peek inside. I think I miss that more than anything.
Sounds like a skill issue. You wont be able to handle the savage raids in ff14 anyway. lmao!
So my adult daughter is all excited about Final Fantasy XIV. She'd like me to join her, so I let her give me a tour.
IMHO, everything about that game is so overwrought that it broke my brain. I really do detest high fantasy - the way over done armors, everything glitters, the UI looks like Unicorns are farting glitter all over waterfall of Skittles.
I wasn't even sure there was a game world, to be honest. And this is what really didn't work for me.
My kid was able to teleport all over the place - from dungeon to dungeon - and even change characters at the new location (if I understood what was going on, I cannot be sure, the casino interface kept throwing me). The dungeons seemed like set pieces to me and not locations that would be fun to explore. Sure, the graphics were pretty in places, but they never gave me the feeling that it might be fun to peek around the corner. I didn't get the sense that she was part of a world but rather that the entire game is a lobby. Volcanos in the background, crashing spaceships, moons and unicorns, fighting a armored horse while riding a motorcycle - what hot garbage.
As for locations, when everything is the Taj Mahal what do you think you'll find around the corner but another Taj Mahal?
Is it well done? Obviously, it is for the target audience.
I just didn't get the sense that you grab a torch, and pathetic sword, wander out of town and kick open the door to a crypt and peek inside. I think I miss that more than anything.
Sounds like a skill issue. You wont be able to handle the savage raids in ff14 anyway. lmao!
Raids?
You mean choregraphed dance parties that you farm for l33t gears?
"I just didn't get the sense that you grab a torch, and pathetic sword,
wander out of town and kick open the door to a crypt and peek inside.
I think I miss that more than anything."
Ahhh those were the days......Early EQ...What a great time.....No maps, no quest markers, no story we had to follow, just making do with what we had and exploring the world around us....People actually talking to each other and working together to survive.....I dont know if we will ever see that again.
Wargfoot said: I really do detest high fantasy - the way over done armors, everything glitters, the UI looks like Unicorns are farting glitter all over waterfall of Skittles.
How so ?
Since you clearly dont even know how that term is actually defined ?
While Final Fantasy is indeed one example for high fantasy, other examples would be the Forgotten Realms, or Harry Potter, or Star Wars. None of which fit your description.
High Fantasy just means that magic is powerful and obvious, very often out in the open or even rather common. While low fantasy means magic is subdued and subtle, usually very rare as well. A wizard can cast a fireball, why thats high fantasy. A witch can curse you to have a fatal accident, thats low fantasy.
Way overdone armors, everything glitters etc, thats an artstyle. Not a subtype of the fantasy genre.
A friend of mine wanted to introduce his daughter to tabletop roleplaying, I think she was about seven years old. He could have chosen a White Wolf game like Vampire or Chaosium's Call of Cthulhu but wisely he chose instead My Little Pony. But by all means tell her there is more to MMOs than FF and as she gets older she will have many more to enjoy!
Okay, I've pretty much made up my mind to go ahead and play with my kid in a couple of weeks.
If it is bad ya'll owe me a refund.
For the record, I hate all of you... and if I cry I'll turn in my man card.
I am going on record to say that I have not told you to do this.
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
So my adult daughter is all excited about Final Fantasy XIV. She'd like me to join her, so I let her give me a tour.
IMHO, everything about that game is so overwrought that it broke my brain. I really do detest high fantasy - the way over done armors, everything glitters, the UI looks like Unicorns are farting glitter all over waterfall of Skittles.
I wasn't even sure there was a game world, to be honest. And this is what really didn't work for me.
My kid was able to teleport all over the place - from dungeon to dungeon - and even change characters at the new location (if I understood what was going on, I cannot be sure, the casino interface kept throwing me). The dungeons seemed like set pieces to me and not locations that would be fun to explore. Sure, the graphics were pretty in places, but they never gave me the feeling that it might be fun to peek around the corner. I didn't get the sense that she was part of a world but rather that the entire game is a lobby. Volcanos in the background, crashing spaceships, moons and unicorns, fighting a armored horse while riding a motorcycle - what hot garbage.
As for locations, when everything is the Taj Mahal what do you think you'll find around the corner but another Taj Mahal?
Is it well done? Obviously, it is for the target audience.
I just didn't get the sense that you grab a torch, and pathetic sword, wander out of town and kick open the door to a crypt and peek inside. I think I miss that more than anything.
There is a game world. Early on you can't teleport all over the place. You don't even have a mount. World access and travel options increasingly open up over time.
She may have appeared to change characters but was instead was likely just changing her current class. There is no need to create alts to play a different class.
Final Fantasy has mixed elements of fantasy and technology for quite some time so it's nothing new here.
Dungeons aren't exploration based. They are about increasing levels of mechanical difficulty.
You don't just wander out and investigate random crypts. That's not what FFXIV is about. It's more about experiencing a long, epic story that starts slow and somewhat boring but becomes amazing over time. The focus is that story even through dungeons and the like, with all other aspects of the game being subordinate to it.
So my adult daughter is all excited about Final Fantasy XIV. She'd like me to join her, so I let her give me a tour.
IMHO, everything about that game is so overwrought that it broke my brain. I really do detest high fantasy - the way over done armors, everything glitters, the UI looks like Unicorns are farting glitter all over waterfall of Skittles.
I wasn't even sure there was a game world, to be honest. And this is what really didn't work for me.
My kid was able to teleport all over the place - from dungeon to dungeon - and even change characters at the new location (if I understood what was going on, I cannot be sure, the casino interface kept throwing me). The dungeons seemed like set pieces to me and not locations that would be fun to explore. Sure, the graphics were pretty in places, but they never gave me the feeling that it might be fun to peek around the corner. I didn't get the sense that she was part of a world but rather that the entire game is a lobby. Volcanos in the background, crashing spaceships, moons and unicorns, fighting a armored horse while riding a motorcycle - what hot garbage.
As for locations, when everything is the Taj Mahal what do you think you'll find around the corner but another Taj Mahal?
Is it well done? Obviously, it is for the target audience.
I just didn't get the sense that you grab a torch, and pathetic sword, wander out of town and kick open the door to a crypt and peek inside. I think I miss that more than anything.
Sounds like a skill issue. You wont be able to handle the savage raids in ff14 anyway. lmao!
Raids?
You mean choregraphed dance parties that you farm for l33t gears?
In FFXIV, pretty much exactly like that, but with large parts of the dance floor occasionally exceptionally hazardous and you pausing between many dance steps while coordinating with numerous others trying to square dance their way to victory.
Arrange question. Why would you need to tell him? Just because you don't like it, he shouldn't like i. If he enjoys it, it's not a hot mess for him. You are projecting your likes/dislikes on him
Okay, I've pretty much made up my mind to go ahead and play with my kid in a couple of weeks.
If it is bad ya'll owe me a refund.
For the record, I hate all of you... and if I cry I'll turn in my man card.
Yeah I dont know if FFXIV is a great game to coop in. There are so many good coop games but this one doesnt really feel that way when I played.
Mainly you are questing, with tons of cutscenes all the time. Its an individual game most of the time with an occasional group dungeon. Many of the quests are actual solo story quests. Did I mention cutscenes? Yeah many hours of cutscenes. Then throw in some more forced cutscenes even during the middle of dungeons. Like 20 minutes of those sometimes. Even when you can skip the cutscenes, you always have to wait on someone who is watching the cutscene.
I cant remember how high I got in the game, I want to say level 60-70 something like that, its been awhile. This is before I got completely fed up with all the never ending cutscenes/questing. If somehow you get to endgame, which will be awhile, then maybe there is more groupplay, least that was what I was told. But then you will just be raidlogging. Even all the tradeskills are solo.
Additionally you are going in, knowing you wont like it (I can almost gaurantee you wont like it). So no matter how hard you try, it will be a negative experience for you both, which will just make her upset.
With that being said, I did play a bunch of games with my kids when they were ages 12 to adulthood. Can be fun if you have the right game. However in some games sometimes they need to just do stuff on there own, meet there own friends, have there own experience etc...
Personally I would look at a better coop game IMO. Something that appeals to both of you. Even if you just play a little bit here and there, its better to have a short good experience than a long negative one IMO.
Some fun family friendly coop's I played. There are others but these are universally liked by most people. Unlike FFXIV they are coop almost all of the time.
Um, not to make you feel like an out of touch old man but you do realize the FFXIV is one of the most (if not the most) popular MMOs on the market today, so classifying it as "hot garbage" sort of makes you the odd man out, in terms the general sentiment on the title. With that being said if your adult daughter is getting into MMOs in 2023 I'm not sure are very many other titles with quite as friendly an onboarding process than Final Fantasy, getting a new player hooked on something like WoW or god forbid EQ in the current year is like pulling teeth.
Blizzard uses WOW to harvest hours played into bottles so that the dev team can remain immortal
Um, not to make you feel like an out of touch old man but you do realize the FFXIV is one of the most (if not the most) popular MMOs on the market today, so classifying it as "hot garbage" sort of makes you the odd man out, in terms the general sentiment on the title. With that being said if your adult daughter is getting into MMOs in 2023 I'm not sure are very many other titles with quite as friendly an onboarding process than Final Fantasy, getting a new player hooked on something like WoW or god forbid EQ in the current year is like pulling teeth.
You know what else is popular? McDonald's, Potato Chips, Coca-Cola and Pop-Tarts. They dont call it junk food for nothing.
You know what else is food ? MMORPGs. Oh wait, no they arent.
Really dont see how you would draw parallels between games and food.
Games are truely a matter of taste. Some like this final fantasy stuff. Some dont. Personal taste.
Food, our body has certain chemical requirements, such as chemical energy in forms the body can process, certain essentials, a certain background of undigestibles (fiber), and an absence of poisons. Thus there is good food and less good food.
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Dang, how much is this game?
No... I really feel this.
I tried to get into FF14, because my static got into it and they loved it, I figured this should be a no brainer, I mean if they like it, this has to be some good shite, and I am just going to like it as well... right?
well... I tried, for some I put in a solid 20ish hours, others more, just to feel.. something... and for the life of me, I got nothing.
But .. l'm gonna share a gamer cheat code with you.
Let her talk with you about the game she loves, listen to what she did in game, and be a part of it that way
Ask her what new weapons, horses, unicorn farts, and glitter ass she got in the game, and just be a part of that with her. Listen to her frustrations about getting that last ass hair off a angry harpy to make a vest of huge tracks of land, or whatever
Or maybe just be happy she finally killed that ogre or something, and share in that victory!
Ask her to share some screenshots on social media of what she's doing, her characters, and the like, or in my case, we did that over Discord.
They would link shit, and I would say things like "Oh fuck yah mate! that looks like it could chop the balls off a dragon" or some such, I suppose you will say different things with your daughter, but, as gamers, no doubt, it will all amount to "Oh shite mate that looks like it fling the neither's off a dragon"
This Happened to me ArcheAge and ESO, everyone loved these games, and I am wondering what gives and why I don't like these other supposedly epic shizzle games?
So, while I played whatever lame ass game I was hopelessly addicted to, I would listen to them, share in their joy, encourage them on, cheer their victories, cuss out the people that caused them defeat, make up insulting names for the things or players, or teams that were stonewalling them, and all in all, while I was not playing with them, I was still their teammate telling them to kick massive ass
I felt like a benchwarmer on a football team, but, I was still part of the team, even if I was not playing, you know?
Anyway, wishing you the best with this situation of yours.
Gives that old school "Oh shit" feeling, when you kick open the wrong door
Sounds like a skill issue. You wont be able to handle the savage raids in ff14 anyway. lmao!
You mean choregraphed dance parties that you farm for l33t gears?
If it is bad ya'll owe me a refund.
For the record, I hate all of you... and if I cry I'll turn in my man card.
Since you clearly dont even know how that term is actually defined ?
Plus the community is nice.
Approach the game as a co-op Final Fantasy game you can play with your daughter and you will have a good time.
And actually read the dialog.
There is a game world. Early on you can't teleport all over the place. You don't even have a mount. World access and travel options increasingly open up over time.
She may have appeared to change characters but was instead was likely just changing her current class. There is no need to create alts to play a different class.
Final Fantasy has mixed elements of fantasy and technology for quite some time so it's nothing new here.
Dungeons aren't exploration based. They are about increasing levels of mechanical difficulty.
You don't just wander out and investigate random crypts. That's not what FFXIV is about. It's more about experiencing a long, epic story that starts slow and somewhat boring but becomes amazing over time. The focus is that story even through dungeons and the like, with all other aspects of the game being subordinate to it.
In FFXIV, pretty much exactly like that, but with large parts of the dance floor occasionally exceptionally hazardous and you pausing between many dance steps while coordinating with numerous others trying to square dance their way to victory.
Yeah I dont know if FFXIV is a great game to coop in. There are so many good coop games but this one doesnt really feel that way when I played.
Mainly you are questing, with tons of cutscenes all the time. Its an individual game most of the time with an occasional group dungeon. Many of the quests are actual solo story quests. Did I mention cutscenes? Yeah many hours of cutscenes. Then throw in some more forced cutscenes even during the middle of dungeons. Like 20 minutes of those sometimes. Even when you can skip the cutscenes, you always have to wait on someone who is watching the cutscene.
I cant remember how high I got in the game, I want to say level 60-70 something like that, its been awhile. This is before I got completely fed up with all the never ending cutscenes/questing. If somehow you get to endgame, which will be awhile, then maybe there is more groupplay, least that was what I was told. But then you will just be raidlogging. Even all the tradeskills are solo.
Additionally you are going in, knowing you wont like it (I can almost gaurantee you wont like it). So no matter how hard you try, it will be a negative experience for you both, which will just make her upset.
With that being said, I did play a bunch of games with my kids when they were ages 12 to adulthood. Can be fun if you have the right game. However in some games sometimes they need to just do stuff on there own, meet there own friends, have there own experience etc...
Personally I would look at a better coop game IMO. Something that appeals to both of you. Even if you just play a little bit here and there, its better to have a short good experience than a long negative one IMO.
Some fun family friendly coop's I played. There are others but these are universally liked by most people. Unlike FFXIV they are coop almost all of the time.
Raft
Valheim
Terraria
Blizzard uses WOW to harvest hours played into bottles so that the dev team can remain immortal
Some people can easily understand abstract analogies. Others apparently, not so much.
Let me dive a little deeper for you to so you can see the direct correlation. Interestingly I can use your own statement here.
See that wasnt so hard now was it?