Not sure the overall consensus is that Starfield is a bad game. Oh look, it's not. Considering how many idiots unfairly give it a 0 or 1 rating, toss all those out and it's probably a solid 8 out of 10.
Ratings
87% OpenCritic
7/10 IGN
7/10 Steam
For those who believe it's pretty good do we still give credit to the 27 out sourcing teams?
Anyone ever watch the ending credits of a modern animated film, there's dozens of studios, hundreds if not thousands of artists and what have you.
Large scale game development probably shares a lot in common with the film industry and as noted some of the listed studios work with the biggest names in the gaming industry.
Long story short, nothing to see here, just another over-rated streamer running off at the mouth.
Stop listening to idiots folks just because they are popular on the Internet...
Most of the videos I have seen on it, the players seem to really like it.....I guess there is a strong contingency of Bethesda haters out there, and there is no making them happy.
Oh look. It's Asmon stirring up drama. Again. /yawn.
Yeah but why not? He makes good money bullshitting with folks online. He's kind of a basic guy so that's probably why he has a huge following. Honestly sometimes I agree with him, other times I really don't, kinda like the forums here. I can't really bash on him, everyone needs to make a living anyway you can I guess lol.
I just kinda don't like him ; being all reactive and faux outraged. You can do that in other ways ; ways that I prefer.
He could do it another way, but from his perspective he probably has little interest in fixing what isn't broke.
Until the day eventually comes when he ceases to be relevant which is pretty much inevitable.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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Oh look. It's Asmon stirring up drama. Again. /yawn.
Yeah but why not? He makes good money bullshitting with folks online. He's kind of a basic guy so that's probably why he has a huge following. Honestly sometimes I agree with him, other times I really don't, kinda like the forums here. I can't really bash on him, everyone needs to make a living anyway you can I guess lol.
I just kinda don't like him ; being all reactive and faux outraged. You can do that in other ways ; ways that I prefer.
He could do it another way, but from his perspective he probably has little interest in fixing what isn't broke.
Until the day eventually comes when he ceases to be relevant which is pretty much inevitable.
The day ‘outrage mode’ becomes irrelevant he, and most of his ilk, will do a 180 faster then you can blink and start fanboying whatever gets him the most traffic. These people and their hordes of minions, who will ruin pretty much every player score average of anything remotely AAA or inclusive, are a disgrace to gaming and I can’t wait till they become obsolete. People might doubt official reviewers (and they aren’t perfect) but they are a bastion of integrity compared to whatever bottom of the barrel spawn these people are.
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It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
Not sure the overall consensus is that Starfield is a bad game. Oh look, it's not. Considering how many idiots unfairly give it a 0 or 1 rating, toss all those out and it's probably a solid 8 out of 10.
Ratings
87% OpenCritic
7/10 IGN
7/10 Steam
For those who believe it's pretty good do we still give credit to the 27 out sourcing teams?
Anyone ever watch the ending credits of a modern animated film, there's dozens of studios, hundreds if not thousands of artists and what have you.
Large scale game development probably shares a lot in common with the film industry and as noted some of the listed studios work with the biggest names in the gaming industry.
Long story short, nothing to see here, just another over-rated streamer running off at the mouth.
Stop listening to idiots folks just because they are popular on the Internet...
Most of the videos I have seen on it, the players seem to really like it.....I guess there is a strong contingency of Bethesda haters out there, and there is no making them happy.
I find that at the beginning of a game launch, there are more fanboys than haters by a large margin.
I have seen games lose 99% of their playerbase within months of launch and still the fanboys will come out in droves claiming everything is fine and game is amazing ...
If a game has mixed reviews early, then to me its probably subpar.
I will remain nuetral until I get more data and can see what real people think and not just the fanboy spam.
Not sure the overall consensus is that Starfield is a bad game. Oh look, it's not. Considering how many idiots unfairly give it a 0 or 1 rating, toss all those out and it's probably a solid 8 out of 10.
Ratings
87% OpenCritic
7/10 IGN
7/10 Steam
For those who believe it's pretty good do we still give credit to the 27 out sourcing teams?
Anyone ever watch the ending credits of a modern animated film, there's dozens of studios, hundreds if not thousands of artists and what have you.
Large scale game development probably shares a lot in common with the film industry and as noted some of the listed studios work with the biggest names in the gaming industry.
Long story short, nothing to see here, just another over-rated streamer running off at the mouth.
Stop listening to idiots folks just because they are popular on the Internet...
I am quite enjoying it and do not think it deserves a 0/10 or 1/10 but 8/10 is jacked in the other way too.
It's at best a 6 maybe 7/10, it has far too many optimization and code issues, too much glitches, and and lots of areas need more work notably outpost building as it's really very, very basic.
Once modders or bugthesda fixes things it might then deserve a 8/10. Lots of the bigger issues modders wont be able to fix really though till the mods tools come out which will likely be on 2024 sometimes, hopefully earlier rather than later.
Also I keep seeing peeps saying OMG my choices affect bla bla but really though you are shoe horned in being virtuous or solo without a companion...there are not really any "evil" companions you can gather like say for example in BG3.
I find that at the beginning of a game launch, there are more fanboys than haters by a large margin.
I
have seen games lose 99% of their playerbase within months of launch
and still the fanboys will come out in droves claiming everything is
fine and game is amazing ...
If a game has mixed reviews early, then to me its probably subpar.
I will remain nuetral until I get more data and can see what real people think and not just the fanboy spam.
Vocally its mostly I hate it, its shite or I love it, its the bestest eva fanboys or anti fanboys spouting nonsense due to just being hateful or after a cursory OMG this is fun and having just skimmed the beginning with rose colored glasses...
.......peeps being objective and fair know it falls somewhere in the middle, It's just that the most vocal peeps are at the ends of the spectrum.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
I find that at the beginning of a game launch, there are more fanboys than haters by a large margin.
I have seen games lose 99% of their playerbase within months of launch and still the fanboys will come out in droves claiming everything is fine and game is amazing ...
If a game has mixed reviews early, then to me its probably subpar.
I will remain nuetral until I get more data and can see what real people think and not just the fanboy spam.
This is pretty much where I landed.
The existing reviews are just utterly meaningless to me. I'm not talking about the scores (they are always meaningless) but the actual content of the reviews. They all contradict each other so much that I've no idea what to expect out of the game!
One review says its an amazing sandbox, the next says it's a great story-focused RPG.
One review says the combat is amazing, really solid. The next says it's no different from shooters built 20 years ago.
One review says the world building is amazing and immersive. The next says the textures and models are recycled too much.
So, I've decided to just wait it out. I'll wait until I get some better info from forum users here because at least their reviews have some meaning. The most consistent thing I've seen written about Starfield is that "its skyrim in space", but that isn't good news for me. Skyrim is my least favourite of the Elder Scrolls games so there's no way im spending £60 on a space version.
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Bethesda means I'll wait for good mods before I play because it will be a buggy experience or else. Some of their games fallout series for instance were unplayable without player mod to fix the innumerable bugs that they never bothered to fix as it was cheaper to rely on the modding community to do it.
I still love their games but am under no illusion as to their quality or capability to fix the bugs. However thankfully we are fortunate to have the support of a robust modding community that tirelessly works to remedy that without compensation or renumeration from Bethesda who undoubtedly benefit greatly from this dedicated community.
Another term that well applies to Star Wars is space opera. In fact the description of the subgenre sounds like a point by point match. It originated in the '30s and I expect examples of it served as inspiration for Lucas in his works.
I owned some of these novels but never read them. (I found out about them from the creator of Babylon 5.
As far as Starfield goes. I won't get it unless I eventually get a new PC. But outside of space combat travel it seems like it's what should have been expected.
Oh look. It's Asmon stirring up drama. Again. /yawn.
Yeah but why not? He makes good money bullshitting with folks online. He's kind of a basic guy so that's probably why he has a huge following. Honestly sometimes I agree with him, other times I really don't, kinda like the forums here. I can't really bash on him, everyone needs to make a living anyway you can I guess lol.
I just kinda don't like him ; being all reactive and faux outraged. You can do that in other ways ; ways that I prefer.
He could do it another way, but from his perspective he probably has little interest in fixing what isn't broke.
Until the day eventually comes when he ceases to be relevant which is pretty much inevitable.
Everyone inevitably ceases to be relevant eventually. Not everyone will reach his level of success before it happens.
Another term that well applies to Star Wars is space opera. In fact the description of the subgenre sounds like a point by point match. It originated in the '30s and I expect examples of it served as inspiration for Lucas in his works.
I owned some of these novels but never read them. (I found out about them from the creator of Babylon 5.
As far as Starfield goes. I won't get it unless I eventually get a new PC. But outside of space combat travel it seems like it's what should have been expected.
I read some translated Perry Rhodan ones when I was young, but I don't think I have those books anymore.
The first time I ran into the phrase 'Space Opera' that I remember was the tabletop RPG so named put out by Fantasy Games Unlimited. It came out in 1980, likely to cash in on Stars Wars interest at the time.
Not sure the overall consensus is that Starfield is a bad game. Oh look, it's not. Considering how many idiots unfairly give it a 0 or 1 rating, toss all those out and it's probably a solid 8 out of 10.
So.. its Diablo 4 a good game then?
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Oh look. It's Asmon stirring up drama. Again. /yawn.
Yeah but why not? He makes good money bullshitting with folks online. He's kind of a basic guy so that's probably why he has a huge following. Honestly sometimes I agree with him, other times I really don't, kinda like the forums here. I can't really bash on him, everyone needs to make a living anyway you can I guess lol.
I just kinda don't like him ; being all reactive and faux outraged. You can do that in other ways ; ways that I prefer.
He could do it another way, but from his perspective he probably has little interest in fixing what isn't broke.
Until the day eventually comes when he ceases to be relevant which is pretty much inevitable.
The day ‘outrage mode’ becomes irrelevant he, and most of his ilk, will do a 180 faster then you can blink and start fanboying whatever gets him the most traffic. These people and their hordes of minions, who will ruin pretty much every player score average of anything remotely AAA or inclusive, are a disgrace to gaming and I can’t wait till they become obsolete. People might doubt official reviewers (and they aren’t perfect) but they are a bastion of integrity compared to whatever bottom of the barrel spawn these people are.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
The problem is there is no way they are going to become obsolete unless they are replaced with something else. We have people who do sane reviews on You Tube already, so they are not going to replace these idiots. To me this is just a symptom of social media and while our societies have that disease none of the symptoms are going to go away.
The game is... as (good as their previous games)... ... /?. The issue is games in.... (I'm drunk) undiluted space tend to feel empty. Actual gameplay is.... far between. This... is that. At the same time it exhibits all of this companies trademark (lack of content, let modders do it). As well as (shitty dialogue, why did we even bother with romances when modders could do it better) kind of content. Frankly dialogue itself, and the quests attached feel, so, diluted, forced, and often artificial I find myself saying why did you bother commenting at all.
So, I finally decided to watch the initial video posted in the OP and I feel like a lot of commenters here seemed to of skipped the actual video in favor of airing their gripes about Asmongold, social media influencers and the hater vs fanboys dynamic.
In the video itself, dude reads an internet post (that someone else wrote) that claims Starfield is bad because it was outsourced. He exclaims doubt at certain points. The video ends when he reads a separate comment that points out even critically acclaimed games are outsourced, example of Elden Ring outsourced to more studios than Starfield was, and explains that this sort of thing is overlooked if a game is good but when a game is 'bad' people will look for a reason why. (implying the possibility that the OP post he read was scapegoating outsourcing)
Maybe, I'm missing something here but the video didn't really strike me as clickbait outrage or 'cancer on society' commentary like a lot of ya'll seem to feel, especially considering that I'm not sure it even articulated oninion on Starfield and/or outsourcing being good or bad.
Another thing I've noticed is the quantity of comments that say something along the lines of "I'm not getting the game until its fixed by modders," and I'm sort of appalled by this common opinion that the game is unplayable and not worth paying for until a third party (and unpaid) hobbyist 'fixes' it.
So, I finally decided to watch the initial video posted in the OP and I feel like a lot of commenters here seemed to of skipped the actual video in favor of airing their gripes about Asmongold, social media influencers and the hater vs fanboys dynamic.
In the video itself, dude reads an internet post (that someone else wrote) that claims Starfield is bad because it was outsourced. He exclaims doubt at certain points. The video ends when he reads a separate comment that points out even critically acclaimed games are outsourced, example of Elden Ring outsourced to more studios than Starfield was, and explains that this sort of thing is overlooked if a game is good but when a game is 'bad' people will look for a reason why. (implying the possibility that the OP post he read was scapegoating outsourcing)
Maybe, I'm missing something here but the video didn't really strike me as clickbait outrage or 'cancer on society' commentary like a lot of ya'll seem to feel, especially considering that I'm not sure it even articulated oninion on Starfield and/or outsourcing being good or bad.
Another thing I've noticed is the quantity of comments that say something along the lines of "I'm not getting the game until its fixed by modders," and I'm sort of appalled by this common opinion that the game is unplayable and not worth paying for until a third party (and unpaid) hobbyist 'fixes' it.
That's exactly the video. I still don't like his show.
I also agree with you, I don't think, for the most part, modders "fix" games. The example that comes to mind for "fixing" is the Skyrim Unofficial patch that fixes missing items or bugs, etc.
Modders in general change the game to "their" liking and to the liking of those who share their taste. Modders also expand games with new items, new places, new adventures. None of that is "fixing."
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Not sure the overall consensus is that Starfield is a bad game. Oh look, it's not. Considering how many idiots unfairly give it a 0 or 1 rating, toss all those out and it's probably a solid 8 out of 10.
So.. its Diablo 4 a good game then?
Starfield is a not bad but not great, I would put it at decent with a 6 or 7 /10, however it is still much better than D4 by far.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
Not sure the overall consensus is that Starfield is a bad game. Oh look, it's not. Considering how many idiots unfairly give it a 0 or 1 rating, toss all those out and it's probably a solid 8 out of 10.
So.. its Diablo 4 a good game then?
Opinions vary, and I suspect are based on only part of what the eventual picture will be. Diablo games typically get an expansion that adds one or more classes. They sometimes extend the main story as well.
Once that is out then the game will likely remain unchanged save for seasonal variance and the periodic balancing of classes, making final evaluation possible.
The fact that many people that are actually buying the game are coming back not happy makes me very skeptical. Generally people buy games they think they will like. If we were getting hate from someone that didnt buy the game that would be something entirely different.
There are so many fans that just will hype a game regardless of if its good or not, that will tell people ANYTHING to hype the game. Its really hard to trust positive reviews early on.
When you look at: Eldenring Valheim New World
All those games had almost all positives early on (deservingly so), with very very few negative reviews. New World only started getting negatives around 1 month in after people legatimately started getting to end game and seeing the mess. They were shouted down as haters ... Yet overtime we seen the true reviews start rolling in.
Not sure the overall consensus is that Starfield is a bad game. Oh look, it's not. Considering how many idiots unfairly give it a 0 or 1 rating, toss all those out and it's probably a solid 8 out of 10.
So.. its Diablo 4 a good game then?
Starfield is a not bad but not great, I would put it at decent with a 6 or 7 /10, however it is still much better than D4 by far.
Fair enough, sounds about right, but calling it a failure as some do or attributing it to being outsourced doesn't seem sensible.
No opinion on Diablo 4 as I haven't liked any of them except Diablo 1, which I played a very, very long time ago.
ARPGs just aren't my thing, so I'm not going to be a good judge of one.
I will play Starfield one day, but just like I did with Fallout 3, 4 and New Vegas, only after they release the GOTY edition, preferably with a couple of expansions.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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I will play Starfield one day, but just like I did with Fallout 3, 4 and New Vegas, only after they release the GOTY edition, preferably with a couple of expansions.
So in about 3 or 4 years I'm thinking.
Yeah thats kinda where I am, I liked Skyrim after there were many decent mods. So hopefully same thing will happen here. I will revist after some time and see what the general concensus is, if I think it sounds good I will give it a shot.
Fallout 3 actually has a modder patch to fix the game. So modders do fix Bethesda games. Before playing Fallout 3 many reviewers and fan videos advice you to get the patch. It's a patch not a mod that introduces flavours to the game or content but an actual patch to fix the game. Brthesda is that bad with bugs that modders have to fix their game.
So when I talk about waiting for modders' fixes I mean fixes that patch and fix the game from my own personal experience playing their games.
I also used many other mods but this patch was the bare minimum they tell you to put in. Of course I had 20 odd mods but there were graphical, lighting and NPC looks plus quest fixes. Some also introduced some quality of life stuff. Never played a Bethesda game without mods.
I have seen games lose 99% of their playerbase within months of launch and still the fanboys will come out in droves claiming everything is fine and game is amazing ...
If a game has mixed reviews early, then to me its probably subpar.
Just look at the shambolic game Gollum, which proves your point.. Initially the game was hammered in the Steam forum, but the fanboys defended the game bitterly. Gradually, even the fanboys - always slow on the uptake - realised how appallingly bad the game was and slunk off into the darkness, never to return. Probably ashamed at their gullibility as much as anything.
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Most of the videos I have seen on it, the players seem to really like it.....I guess there is a strong contingency of Bethesda haters out there, and there is no making them happy.
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Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
I have seen games lose 99% of their playerbase within months of launch and still the fanboys will come out in droves claiming everything is fine and game is amazing ...
If a game has mixed reviews early, then to me its probably subpar.
I will remain nuetral until I get more data and can see what real people think and not just the fanboy spam.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
http://www.moongadget.com/origins/doc.html
As far as Starfield goes. I won't get it unless I eventually get a new PC. But outside of space combat travel it seems like it's what should have been expected.
I read some translated Perry Rhodan ones when I was young, but I don't think I have those books anymore.
The first time I ran into the phrase 'Space Opera' that I remember was the tabletop RPG so named put out by Fantasy Games Unlimited. It came out in 1980, likely to cash in on Stars Wars interest at the time.
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Starfield is a not bad but not great, I would put it at decent with a 6 or 7 /10, however it is still much better than D4 by far.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
Opinions vary, and I suspect are based on only part of what the eventual picture will be. Diablo games typically get an expansion that adds one or more classes. They sometimes extend the main story as well.
Once that is out then the game will likely remain unchanged save for seasonal variance and the periodic balancing of classes, making final evaluation possible.
There are so many fans that just will hype a game regardless of if its good or not, that will tell people ANYTHING to hype the game. Its really hard to trust positive reviews early on.
When you look at:
Eldenring
Valheim
New World
All those games had almost all positives early on (deservingly so), with very very few negative reviews. New World only started getting negatives around 1 month in after people legatimately started getting to end game and seeing the mess. They were shouted down as haters ... Yet overtime we seen the true reviews start rolling in.
started off like wow masterpiece and by end I was like
well it was pretty good. Probably an 8ish score.
No opinion on Diablo 4 as I haven't liked any of them except Diablo 1, which I played a very, very long time ago.
ARPGs just aren't my thing, so I'm not going to be a good judge of one.
I will play Starfield one day, but just like I did with Fallout 3, 4 and New Vegas, only after they release the GOTY edition, preferably with a couple of expansions.
So in about 3 or 4 years I'm thinking.
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