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Palia Players On Steam Left Frustrated By Lack Of Open Beta Indication | MMORPG.com

While cozy MMO Palia has seen a steadily growing following, its beta is having a harder time catching on via Steam... because it doesn't say it's a beta, and it plays as such, according to players. 

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zeoxious

For anyone interested, I was banned for raising this concern in their discord Their community team tried to blame this on Steam and Nintendo... here's the full details: https://imgur.com/a/wau0tuB I also warned them a few weeks ago that you cant add the early access tag after release, so it was a time sensitive manner, but a mod removed my post because I pinged the same CM i was talking to lol

shan1036

Hi, Victoria! A big detail as well is that players are actively getting banned from the official Palia discord for questioning if the game is in Beta or not. We have a list of about 6 players now that have been permanently banned for questioning if the game is in Beta. We have been told we are spreading hate and misinformation for questioning it even when our questions were 100% innocent and things other fans (who did not get banned) wanted to know as well. Palia's discord actively censors anyone who is not 100% positive about the game!

Slapshot1188

I'm far from one to defend a company. And while I played this game when it first opened access up, I found it very lacking.

That said... it's F2P. I'm not quite sure what the big deal is. Is it fear of a wipe?

ValdemarJ

Oh good, Steam forum drama. That's what we need. What exactly is the nothingburger of a problem here?

Neoyoshi

I stopped playing after early access last year (which we all had to buy into via EA packs), i assumed that if the game was given the proper time, it would be more feature complete.

I have no idea where this game is right now in its development, and frankly, i'm not certain i care to know anymore, and not even because of the game itself, but more due to how 'icky' s6 is beginning to appear.

Kickaxe

I just see user reviews; fairly sound ones, at that compared to what I witness elsewhere.

What do you guys mean 'big deal' and 'forum drama'? Isn't it just the same thing we do here? I mean, without any outside reporter or website caring to notice this extremely niche part of the gaming internet.

Scot

Kickaxe said:

I just see user reviews; fairly sound ones, at that compared to what I witness elsewhere.

What do you guys mean 'big deal' and 'forum drama'? Isn't it just the same thing we do here? I mean, without any outside reporter or website caring to notice this extremely niche part of the gaming internet.

"You guys" on the socials have forum drama all the time. Here we only have considered debate and thoughtful commentary.

Scot

zeoxious said:

For anyone interested, I was banned for raising this concern in their discord Their community team tried to blame this on Steam and Nintendo... here's the full details: https://imgur.com/a/wau0tuB I also warned them a few weeks ago that you cant add the early access tag after release, so it was a time sensitive manner, but a mod removed my post because I pinged the same CM i was talking to lol

shan1036 said:

Hi, Victoria! A big detail as well is that players are actively getting banned from the official Palia discord for questioning if the game is in Beta or not. We have a list of about 6 players now that have been permanently banned for questioning if the game is in Beta. We have been told we are spreading hate and misinformation for questioning it even when our questions were 100% innocent and things other fans (who did not get banned) wanted to know as well. Palia's discord actively censors anyone who is not 100% positive about the game!

Welcome to the forums!

Hope it works out for you all. 

Viper482

It's a free game where only cosmetics cost money, I easily got 100 hours out of the existing content and only paid money to support the game. People are just whiny, entitled bitches these days.

ZenJelly

No one should be interested or be playing this game for multiple reasons, the least of them being the tags.

Mensur

This is fishy indeed

zeoxious

Scot said:

zeoxious said:

For anyone interested, I was banned for raising this concern in their discord Their community team tried to blame this on Steam and Nintendo... here's the full details: https://imgur.com/a/wau0tuB

I also warned them a few weeks ago that you cant add the early access tag after release, so it was a time sensitive manner, but a mod removed my post because I pinged the same CM i was talking to lol

shan1036 said:

Hi, Victoria! A big detail as well is that players are actively getting banned from the official Palia discord for questioning if the game is in Beta or not. We have a list of about 6 players now that have been permanently banned for questioning if the game is in Beta. We have been told we are spreading hate and misinformation for questioning it even when our questions were 100% innocent and things other fans (who did not get banned) wanted to know as well. Palia's discord actively censors anyone who is not 100% positive about the game!

Welcome to the forums!

Hope it works out for you all. 

Thanks Scot I hope so too, I really did enjoy the game I just felt like being 'in beta' gave the game so much more leniency then a full release game typically would so me bringing this up was really from a point of concern about the user sentiment. I never expected so many of us would get shunned from the community for it.

ValdemarJ

Scot said:

zeoxious said:

For anyone interested, I was banned for raising this concern in their discord Their community team tried to blame this on Steam and Nintendo... here's the full details: https://imgur.com/a/wau0tuB I also warned them a few weeks ago that you cant add the early access tag after release, so it was a time sensitive manner, but a mod removed my post because I pinged the same CM i was talking to lol

shan1036 said:

Hi, Victoria! A big detail as well is that players are actively getting banned from the official Palia discord for questioning if the game is in Beta or not. We have a list of about 6 players now that have been permanently banned for questioning if the game is in Beta. We have been told we are spreading hate and misinformation for questioning it even when our questions were 100% innocent and things other fans (who did not get banned) wanted to know as well. Palia's discord actively censors anyone who is not 100% positive about the game!

Welcome to the forums!

Hope it works out for you all. 

You realize this drama is all about self-entitled crowd funding backers not getting their way with how the game studio is labeling the game on Steam? Nothing can even be done at this point. Valve has very specific rules about labels that dictate how publishers and studios can monetize and market their game, and once they made a choice, they're basically stuck with it.

This is really an example of your long standing criticism of the pitfalls surrounding crowd-funded games. It's a double-edged sword that can bite both parties, at some point, in different ways. I personally have no sympathy for either party. They made their choice and bed, now live with the consequences.

riningear

shan1036 said:

Hi, Victoria! A big detail as well is that players are actively getting banned from the official Palia discord for questioning if the game is in Beta or not. We have a list of about 6 players now that have been permanently banned for questioning if the game is in Beta. We have been told we are spreading hate and misinformation for questioning it even when our questions were 100% innocent and things other fans (who did not get banned) wanted to know as well. Palia's discord actively censors anyone who is not 100% positive about the game!

zeoxious said:

For anyone interested, I was banned for raising this concern in their discord Their community team tried to blame this on Steam and Nintendo... here's the full details: https://imgur.com/a/wau0tuB

I also warned them a few weeks ago that you cant add the early access tag after release, so it was a time sensitive manner, but a mod removed my post because I pinged the same CM i was talking to lol

.........yeesh, yikes, etc.

Kyleran

riningear said:

shan1036 said:

Hi, Victoria! A big detail as well is that players are actively getting banned from the official Palia discord for questioning if the game is in Beta or not. We have a list of about 6 players now that have been permanently banned for questioning if the game is in Beta. We have been told we are spreading hate and misinformation for questioning it even when our questions were 100% innocent and things other fans (who did not get banned) wanted to know as well. Palia's discord actively censors anyone who is not 100% positive about the game!

zeoxious said:

For anyone interested, I was banned for raising this concern in their discord Their community team tried to blame this on Steam and Nintendo... here's the full details: https://imgur.com/a/wau0tuB

I also warned them a few weeks ago that you cant add the early access tag after release, so it was a time sensitive manner, but a mod removed my post because I pinged the same CM i was talking to lol

.........yeesh, yikes, etc.

Not really anything to "yikes" about. Official Discords or sub reddits are not good places to continuously raise issues that the Devs or moderators would rather stay buried, their house, their rules after all.

They are probably hiding it's beta status, but so what, as others mentioned it's a free to play game and ATM it is quite easy to discern it's not finished, just logging in will probably make that pretty obvious.

  

 

Vrika

ValdemarJ said:

You realize this drama is all about self-entitled crowd funding backers not getting their way with how the game studio is labeling the game on Steam? Nothing can even be done at this point. Valve has very specific rules about labels that dictate how publishers and studios can monetize and market their game, and once they made a choice, they're basically stuck with it.

They could write the info that it's in beta in their Steam info, Epic store info, Nintendo store info, and to their homepage so that you'd see it before signing up from there.

Instead they choose to continue making the game's beta status hard to spot. It's ongoing scammy behavior from them, and I think they deserve all the crap they get until they change their behavior.

DigDuggy

People complain about drama, but we sure do like it in our hind monkey brains.

Scot

Vrika said:

ValdemarJ said:

You realize this drama is all about self-entitled crowd funding backers not getting their way with how the game studio is labeling the game on Steam? Nothing can even be done at this point. Valve has very specific rules about labels that dictate how publishers and studios can monetize and market their game, and once they made a choice, they're basically stuck with it.

They could write the info that it's in beta in their Steam info, Epic store info, Nintendo store info, and to their homepage so that you'd see it before signing up from there.

Instead they choose to continue making the game's beta status hard to spot. It's ongoing scammy behavior from them, and I think they deserve all the crap they get until they change their behavior.

For me it is not down to who was right or wrong. As long as you are not scamming the game, cheating etc, you should be allowed to play or get your refund if you don't want to. Sure you may have had a rant about the game and gone to far, from this distance you never know. Maybe the studio is being dodgy about its status, but at the end of the day we are gamers and we should be playing games not posting about the whys, the wherefores and what nots.

Talking of which I should be playing my latest.

Telephonetag

The game has shown very little improvement??? I’ve only been playing for a few months now and many things have been improved in that short amount of time…

Slapshot1188

What is the difference between this game being called Beta, Early Access or Released?  Can someone explain the impact to me?

Are they going to wipe?

If not, I really fail to see the difference.

zeoxious

ValdemarJ said:

Scot said:

zeoxious said:

For anyone interested, I was banned for raising this concern in their discord Their community team tried to blame this on Steam and Nintendo... here's the full details: https://imgur.com/a/wau0tuB

I also warned them a few weeks ago that you cant add the early access tag after release, so it was a time sensitive manner, but a mod removed my post because I pinged the same CM i was talking to lol

shan1036 said:

Hi, Victoria! A big detail as well is that players are actively getting banned from the official Palia discord for questioning if the game is in Beta or not. We have a list of about 6 players now that have been permanently banned for questioning if the game is in Beta. We have been told we are spreading hate and misinformation for questioning it even when our questions were 100% innocent and things other fans (who did not get banned) wanted to know as well. Palia's discord actively censors anyone who is not 100% positive about the game!

Welcome to the forums!

Hope it works out for you all. 

You realize this drama is all about self-entitled crowd funding backers not getting their way with how the game studio is labeling the game on Steam? Nothing can even be done at this point. Valve has very specific rules about labels that dictate how publishers and studios can monetize and market their game, and once they made a choice, they're basically stuck with it.

This is really an example of your long standing criticism of the pitfalls surrounding crowd-funded games. It's a double-edged sword that can bite both parties, at some point, in different ways. I personally have no sympathy for either party. They made their choice and bed, now live with the consequences.

I'm sorry but you are misinformed. The game was not crowd funded.

Many of us alpha/beta testers have raised concerns about S6 scrubbing the 'Beta' label off the game when convenient. We only asked that the store fronts accurately declare the game's beta state, and were banned for it.

The reason this is important was actually for the games sake. Palia being in beta earns it a lot of good gamer sentiment that it otherwise does not deserve. Missing features, endless bugs, game-breaking/progress-breaking issues that linger for months. All of this is understandable in a beta game, but looks bad in a full release with 50$ macro-transactions

We've been good rule-abiding users in this community for months/years now and don't deserve the unfair "consequences" of simply asking for the company to be honest...

Ginaz

Slapshot1188 said:

What is the difference between this game being called Beta, Early Access or Released?  Can someone explain the impact to me?

Are they going to wipe?

If not, I really fail to see the difference.

It might seem like they're hiding something by releasing on Steam and not labelling it as early access even after stating it's still in beta on their own website a few days ago.  It's not a good first impression on Steam IMO.  Most people on Steam probably have never heard of this game until last week and now it looks like the developers are trying to trick them into playing an early access game knowing that many people are unwilling to play games that are unfinished.  It's not a huge deal as it's f2p but there are a lot micro-transactions and I don't know if there will be a wipe on full release.  A lot of people would feel like they're wasting their time playing a game only to have all their progress wiped away.

Dattelis

Ginaz said:

Slapshot1188 said:

What is the difference between this game being called Beta, Early Access or Released?  Can someone explain the impact to me?

Are they going to wipe?

If not, I really fail to see the difference.

It might seem like they're hiding something by releasing on Steam and not labelling it as early access even after stating it's still in beta on their own website a few days ago.  It's not a good first impression on Steam IMO.  Most people on Steam probably have never heard of this game until last week and now it looks like the developers are trying to trick them into playing an early access game knowing that many people are unwilling to play games that are unfinished.  It's not a huge deal as it's f2p but there are a lot micro-transactions and I don't know if there will be a wipe on full release.  A lot of people would feel like they're wasting their time playing a game only to have all their progress wiped away.

Personally, I wouldn't worry about a wipe since they would get too much legal blow back if they were to do one and not just from people but from companies like epic/steam/etc. If you look at least the generic post steam gives to all early access games before devs write their little 'why,' it'll always preface game status. Without that preface, the game is considered 'released' even if its not 'complete.' Backend wise, they might not have wanted to put it up as EA simply because many EA products have some kind of monetary increase compared to 'released' prices, so it might've increased the micro-transaction prices if they chose that route or at the very least the percentage steam may have wanted from the mtx. I'm not defending any of this, but it does help to 'dislike' something for the 'right' reasons.

Sovrath

zeoxious said:

For anyone interested, I was banned for raising this concern in their discord 

Reading that it sounds like you were banned for your behavior and the methods you used to contact them.

Ginaz

Sovrath said:

zeoxious said:

For anyone interested, I was banned for raising this concern in their discord 

Reading that it sounds like you were banned for your behavior and the methods you used to contact them.

Usually I would say you're probably right but in this instance I'm not sure. I posted a question on their Reddit page and they removed it saying "At this time, there are many posts regarding this subject. In an attempt to not rehash subjects and keep feedback centralized, please find an existing post to contribute your thoughts and feedback. Your post is currently under review by the moderation team." That's fine but when I went to look for a post on the beta issue, there were none, at least nothing recent. My post was as follows "I keep seeing conflicting stories as to the status of this game. Last time I played this, which was a few months ago, it was stated that it was still in beta/early access. I don't see any such notification on the Steam page. I'd like to play this on Steam but want to wait for the full release version. Thanks." I don't feel it was rude or toxic.

I feel like they're trying their best to shove any concerns people have as to it's beta/early access status under the rug. If that's what they want to do, fine, their game and their subreddit/discord but I don't like it and don't want to support a company that does that sort of thing. If they're not willing to be open and transparent about something so simple as whether or not the game is in development then it leads me to believe they're not a trustworthy organization and therefore not worth my time.