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The Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen team was set to hold a Q&A on the game's recently-announced Early Access. However, the Q&A has postponed to give the team more time.

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Blueliner

So they can't even get FAQ done on time but we are to expect them to be ready for early access? this makes me laugh.

achesoma

Things going smooth already I see. /sigh

Ginaz

achesoma said:

Things going smooth already I see. /sigh

I mean, I did get the license key today so I can try the alpha, so there's that I guess.

Scot

achesoma said:

Things going smooth already I see. /sigh

Hey what happened to your Pantheon picture? It always made me laugh and be sad that the fans were so taken in.

achesoma

Scot said:

achesoma said:

Things going smooth already I see. /sigh

Hey what happened to your Pantheon picture? It always made me laugh and be sad that the fans were so taken in.

My signature picture? It's still there. Well, it's still visible to me anyway.

Sarla

I just finished playing the alpha for a few hours. It runs pretty stable and smooth. Quite a few helpful people in chat also.

achesoma

Sarla said:

I just finished playing the alpha for a few hours. It runs pretty stable and smooth. Quite a few helpful people in chat also.

Indeed, the foundation of the type of game they want to build is there. They just need a lot more of it. And the community is great I agree. But calling this an Early Access in December is a mistake. Visionary Realms love to redefined terms that’s not in line with the general public. 

Tokken

achesoma said:

Sarla said:

I just finished playing the alpha for a few hours. It runs pretty stable and smooth. Quite a few helpful people in chat also.

Indeed, the foundation of the type of game they want to build is there. They just need a lot more of it. And the community is great I agree. But calling this an Early Access in December is a mistake. Visionary Realms love to redefined terms that’s not in line with the general public. 

Instead of early access, they should call it early alpha.

GrimDogGaming

Translation: We've postponed until such time as we can make our spin sound almost believeable to ourselves first.

moonpanther

This game looks like Project: Gorgon

Ginaz

Tokken said:

achesoma said:

Sarla said:

I just finished playing the alpha for a few hours. It runs pretty stable and smooth. Quite a few helpful people in chat also.

Indeed, the foundation of the type of game they want to build is there. They just need a lot more of it. And the community is great I agree. But calling this an Early Access in December is a mistake. Visionary Realms love to redefined terms that’s not in line with the general public. 

Instead of early access, they should call it early alpha.

Played it a bit tonight.  Having this ready for early access in December feels more like an educated wish on Visionary Realms part.

Scot

achesoma said:

Scot said:

achesoma said:

Things going smooth already I see. /sigh

Hey what happened to your Pantheon picture? It always made me laugh and be sad that the fans were so taken in.

My signature picture? It's still there. Well, it's still visible to me anyway.

That's weird, I see it again now.

Brainy

moonpanther said:

This game looks like Project: Gorgon

Yeah except Pantheon has much much less depth.

dirtyside

Tokken said:

achesoma said:

Sarla said:

I just finished playing the alpha for a few hours. It runs pretty stable and smooth. Quite a few helpful people in chat also.

Indeed, the foundation of the type of game they want to build is there. They just need a lot more of it. And the community is great I agree. But calling this an Early Access in December is a mistake. Visionary Realms love to redefined terms that’s not in line with the general public. 

Instead of early access, they should call it early alpha.

i feel like we have been talking about this game for over 10 yrs on here ....... maybe i am wrong but anyway where they are now SHOCKED ME tbh and i am not saying this in a positive way

Kyleran

dirtyside said:

Tokken said:

achesoma said:

Sarla said:

I just finished playing the alpha for a few hours. It runs pretty stable and smooth. Quite a few helpful people in chat also.

Indeed, the foundation of the type of game they want to build is there. They just need a lot more of it. And the community is great I agree. But calling this an Early Access in December is a mistake. Visionary Realms love to redefined terms that’s not in line with the general public. 

Instead of early access, they should call it early alpha.

i feel like we have been talking about this game for over 10 yrs on here ....... maybe i am wrong but anyway where they are now SHOCKED ME tbh and i am not saying this in a positive way

You aren't wrong, just over 10 years now since the failed Kickstarter, which had been promising a Jan 2017 release date.

It would be only the first of many failed promises and release dates to come.

https://www.polygon.com/2014/2/22/5437134/pantheon-rise-of-the-fallen-fails-to-meet-kickstarter-goal

ValdemarJ

lol they could give the team 10 more years and it wouldn't help.

I always look forward to seeing these shit tier indie "MMOs" crash and burn. Monsters and Memories next? What a dump.

The lesson I've learned from crowd-funded and indie MMOs is that only AAA studios can really pull this off. These over ambitious studios should learn to stay in their lane, develop something they can handle, and take baby steps to bigger projects.

Mallyx

AAA studios have ruined the MMORPG genre.

Valdheim

ValdemarJ said:

lol they could give the team 10 more years and it wouldn't help.

I always look forward to seeing these shit tier indie "MMOs" crash and burn. Monsters and Memories next? What a dump.

The lesson I've learned from crowd-funded and indie MMOs is that only AAA studios can really pull this off. These over ambitious studios should learn to stay in their lane, develop something they can handle, and take baby steps to bigger projects.

Albion Online likes to have a word with you and yeah who doesn't like to shit on people attempting to do something against the MMORPG drought we're currently in?

Don't get me wrong, I'm also disappointed by projects like Pantheon etc. but to me this "I want to see all small MMO devs crash and burn" attitude sounds a bit like an offended child.

Personally I wish devs like the Monsters & Memories guys all the luck and hope they'll succeed.

Will I spend any cash on any MMO thats still in development? Hell no, I've learned my lesson a long time ago with Mortal Online but do I still have hope for another Albion Online success story? Definitely!

Btw. played Pantheon for a few hours and yeah I agree with everything that's been said before, it's more like an early alpha. The only posivite thing I have to say is that it ran quite good and that the new graphics style was a bit better looking than I expected. Here's to another 10 years ;-P

KnightFalz

moonpanther said:

This game looks like Project: Gorgon

Unless the graphics of P:G have recently vastly improved Pantheon does not look like it. The character models in P:G have visible polygon seams in places and are otherwise so bad an advisory on the character creation page is provided that states these will definitely not be the final character models used.

KnightFalz

Brainy said:

moonpanther said:

This game looks like Project: Gorgon

Yeah except Pantheon has much much less depth.

P:G has a much better initial experience as. Your character isn't absolute rubbish despite starting with a rusty sword and a few rations and you quickly drop at least basic gear to suit up with. The tutorial island even has some puzzles to solve that although not mind blowing are something that doesn't often happen early on. It introduces the NPC favour system. There is also more than one way to get off it, with one of them beings specified in game and the other needing player discovery.

I think it a pretty decent start anyway.

KnightFalz

ValdemarJ said:

lol they could give the team 10 more years and it wouldn't help.

I always look forward to seeing these shit tier indie "MMOs" crash and burn. Monsters and Memories next? What a dump.

The lesson I've learned from crowd-funded and indie MMOs is that only AAA studios can really pull this off. These over ambitious studios should learn to stay in their lane, develop something they can handle, and take baby steps to bigger projects.

It has been pulled off by non-AAA studios but to only modest success.

Embers Adrift has been doing it since they've been in a release state. They aren't raking in money but the game is sustainable.

By keeping their ambitions small they have been able to reach them.

So it isn't that it can't be done entirely but more so that creating a MMORPG on the scale of those made by the leading companies of the genre is beyond their reach. Those wanting to give it a go must keep their ambitions in check.

ValdemarJ

Valdheim said:

ValdemarJ said:

lol they could give the team 10 more years and it wouldn't help.

I always look forward to seeing these shit tier indie "MMOs" crash and burn. Monsters and Memories next? What a dump.

The lesson I've learned from crowd-funded and indie MMOs is that only AAA studios can really pull this off. These over ambitious studios should learn to stay in their lane, develop something they can handle, and take baby steps to bigger projects.

Albion Online likes to have a word with you and yeah who doesn't like to shit on people attempting to do something against the MMORPG drought we're currently in?

Don't get me wrong, I'm also disappointed by projects like Pantheon etc. but to me this "I want to see all small MMO devs crash and burn" attitude sounds a bit like an offended child.

Personally I wish devs like the Monsters & Memories guys all the luck and hope they'll succeed.

Will I spend any cash on any MMO thats still in development? Hell no, I've learned my lesson a long time ago with Mortal Online but do I still have hope for another Albion Online success story? Definitely!

Btw. played Pantheon for a few hours and yeah I agree with everything that's been said before, it's more like an early alpha. The only posivite thing I have to say is that it ran quite good and that the new graphics style was a bit better looking than I expected. Here's to another 10 years ;-P

Did you think of Albion as an ace in the hole to prove that indie MMOs are good? It's the one outlier to them all. It isn't even a real MMO, but it is the one decent AA attempt out there and it took them years over their deadline to even get this close.

None of the others are any good. None of them are even worth the box fee.

Your delusion that these indies are an attempt to do something about an "MMO drought" is misplaced. You couldn't even name another real success or even a good one. Project Gorgon, Mortal, the lame CoH knockoffs, the Sagas of, the Chronicles of, the factured of, blah blah blah. All crap. Even Albion has only hit a niche success with an average of 10K players in the last 30 days according to Steam.

I'm not offended by anything other than a bunch of amateurs, in way over their heads, trying to sell their snake oil as the real deal. They don't mind taking money like a triple A studio with their hobbyist schlock. As such, they get the blowback  that studios who push low effort go nowhere junk deserve.

Once these all finally fail, maybe we can get back on track to talking about real studios making real games.

Germzypie

ValdemarJ said:

Valdheim said:

ValdemarJ said:

lol they could give the team 10 more years and it wouldn't help.

I always look forward to seeing these shit tier indie "MMOs" crash and burn. Monsters and Memories next? What a dump.

The lesson I've learned from crowd-funded and indie MMOs is that only AAA studios can really pull this off. These over ambitious studios should learn to stay in their lane, develop something they can handle, and take baby steps to bigger projects.

Albion Online likes to have a word with you and yeah who doesn't like to shit on people attempting to do something against the MMORPG drought we're currently in?

Don't get me wrong, I'm also disappointed by projects like Pantheon etc. but to me this "I want to see all small MMO devs crash and burn" attitude sounds a bit like an offended child.

Personally I wish devs like the Monsters & Memories guys all the luck and hope they'll succeed.

Will I spend any cash on any MMO thats still in development? Hell no, I've learned my lesson a long time ago with Mortal Online but do I still have hope for another Albion Online success story? Definitely!

Btw. played Pantheon for a few hours and yeah I agree with everything that's been said before, it's more like an early alpha. The only posivite thing I have to say is that it ran quite good and that the new graphics style was a bit better looking than I expected. Here's to another 10 years ;-P

Did you think of Albion as an ace in the hole to prove that indie MMOs are good? It's the one outlier to them all. It isn't even a real MMO, but it is the one decent AA attempt out there and it took them years over their deadline to even get this close.

None of the others are any good. None of them are even worth the box fee.

Your delusion that these indies are an attempt to do something about an "MMO drought" is misplaced. You couldn't even name another real success or even a good one. Project Gorgon, Mortal, the lame CoH knockoffs, the Sagas of, the Chronicles of, the factured of, blah blah blah. All crap. Even Albion has only hit a niche success with an average of 10K players in the last 30 days according to Steam.

I'm not offended by anything other than a bunch of amateurs, in way over their heads, trying to sell their snake oil as the real deal. They don't mind taking money like a triple A studio with their hobbyist schlock. As such, they get the blowback  that studios who push low effort go nowhere junk deserve.

Once these all finally fail, maybe we can get back on track to talking about real studios making real games.

Not disagreeing with you, just wanted to point out that most players do not use steam to log into Albion online.  That metric is only going to be valid with steam only games.

DafAtRandom

ValdemarJ said:

Valdheim said:

ValdemarJ said:

lol they could give the team 10 more years and it wouldn't help.

I always look forward to seeing these shit tier indie "MMOs" crash and burn. Monsters and Memories next? What a dump.

The lesson I've learned from crowd-funded and indie MMOs is that only AAA studios can really pull this off. These over ambitious studios should learn to stay in their lane, develop something they can handle, and take baby steps to bigger projects.

Albion Online likes to have a word with you and yeah who doesn't like to shit on people attempting to do something against the MMORPG drought we're currently in?

Don't get me wrong, I'm also disappointed by projects like Pantheon etc. but to me this "I want to see all small MMO devs crash and burn" attitude sounds a bit like an offended child.

Personally I wish devs like the Monsters & Memories guys all the luck and hope they'll succeed.

Will I spend any cash on any MMO thats still in development? Hell no, I've learned my lesson a long time ago with Mortal Online but do I still have hope for another Albion Online success story? Definitely!

Btw. played Pantheon for a few hours and yeah I agree with everything that's been said before, it's more like an early alpha. The only posivite thing I have to say is that it ran quite good and that the new graphics style was a bit better looking than I expected. Here's to another 10 years ;-P

Did you think of Albion as an ace in the hole to prove that indie MMOs are good? It's the one outlier to them all. It isn't even a real MMO, but it is the one decent AA attempt out there and it took them years over their deadline to even get this close.

None of the others are any good. None of them are even worth the box fee.

Your delusion that these indies are an attempt to do something about an "MMO drought" is misplaced. You couldn't even name another real success or even a good one. Project Gorgon, Mortal, the lame CoH knockoffs, the Sagas of, the Chronicles of, the factured of, blah blah blah. All crap. Even Albion has only hit a niche success with an average of 10K players in the last 30 days according to Steam.

I'm not offended by anything other than a bunch of amateurs, in way over their heads, trying to sell their snake oil as the real deal. They don't mind taking money like a triple A studio with their hobbyist schlock. As such, they get the blowback  that studios who push low effort go nowhere junk deserve.

Once these all finally fail, maybe we can get back on track to talking about real studios making real games.

And how many of these "real" studios are still going to be around by then ?

Slapshot1188

ValdemarJ said:

Valdheim said:

ValdemarJ said:

lol they could give the team 10 more years and it wouldn't help.

I always look forward to seeing these shit tier indie "MMOs" crash and burn. Monsters and Memories next? What a dump.

The lesson I've learned from crowd-funded and indie MMOs is that only AAA studios can really pull this off. These over ambitious studios should learn to stay in their lane, develop something they can handle, and take baby steps to bigger projects.

Albion Online likes to have a word with you and yeah who doesn't like to shit on people attempting to do something against the MMORPG drought we're currently in?

Don't get me wrong, I'm also disappointed by projects like Pantheon etc. but to me this "I want to see all small MMO devs crash and burn" attitude sounds a bit like an offended child.

Personally I wish devs like the Monsters & Memories guys all the luck and hope they'll succeed.

Will I spend any cash on any MMO thats still in development? Hell no, I've learned my lesson a long time ago with Mortal Online but do I still have hope for another Albion Online success story? Definitely!

Btw. played Pantheon for a few hours and yeah I agree with everything that's been said before, it's more like an early alpha. The only posivite thing I have to say is that it ran quite good and that the new graphics style was a bit better looking than I expected. Here's to another 10 years ;-P

Did you think of Albion as an ace in the hole to prove that indie MMOs are good? It's the one outlier to them all. It isn't even a real MMO, but it is the one decent AA attempt out there and it took them years over their deadline to even get this close.

None of the others are any good. None of them are even worth the box fee.

Your delusion that these indies are an attempt to do something about an "MMO drought" is misplaced. You couldn't even name another real success or even a good one. Project Gorgon, Mortal, the lame CoH knockoffs, the Sagas of, the Chronicles of, the factured of, blah blah blah. All crap. Even Albion has only hit a niche success with an average of 10K players in the last 30 days according to Steam.

I'm not offended by anything other than a bunch of amateurs, in way over their heads, trying to sell their snake oil as the real deal. They don't mind taking money like a triple A studio with their hobbyist schlock. As such, they get the blowback  that studios who push low effort go nowhere junk deserve.

Once these all finally fail, maybe we can get back on track to talking about real studios making real games.

It's not like "non crowdfunded" MMORPGs are actually having any better of a track record are they?

I mean... maybe New World?  Any other AAA MMORGs release in the last 5 years that was a success?