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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 43,975
    DeadDOG said:
    One of the things i really like was the PVP was over Land,
     protecting land and the Kingdom you are in.
            If the Light side moved in to the Dark kingdom.
     they would take out a few small forts and take them over. for them to have a starting area to take out the Next level up Fort called the Barony.

     all Forts had a timer that was set went built they picked a Time that it could be attackable every day. for 4 hours i think.
     ("The Front" game is like this)

    so they would have to scout out the small Forts find the time it was attackable and attack them take them over.
     and then be ready to take out the Barony fort.

    you needed 3 Forts of your side in the Barony to attack the Barony.
     (i think it had a max of 5 Forts in a barony 6 if you count the Barony Fort)
    you will need 3 Barony Forts to attack the County.
    and you will need 3 County Forts to attack the Duchy
    (same conditions when making the Forts, Barony, County, Duchy for the 1st time. they had to be build none to attack.)
    (i am trying to remember how it went. so my not be 100% on it)

    after you have the control of all the areas you could go for the kingdom. 
    yes you could over throw the king and end his rule. he was a player and the King could set the Tax rate of the lands. so wars always had been going on. it was one of the coolest things going on in that game. ( kind of like the Board game "RISK") 


    There were other games with similar back in the early days, games which were centered on conquest of territory including Lineage 1/2, DAOC, Shadowbane, Darkness Falls, Mortal Online 1/2, EVE, Planetside 1/2, ArcheAge and a few more I've forgotten I'm sure.

    Here in the modern age few remain except as shadows of their former glory days if still operational at all.

    I think the only real hope for similar to D&L is Ashes of Creation, if they can overcome the indie curse and actually deliver their promised vision.  (Maybe a rumored ArcheAge 2 also.)


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  • DeadDOGDeadDOG Member UncommonPosts: 191
    edited August 6
    i remember it, i had seen the start of the Beta. Prerelease called SOG "Settlers of Ganareth". with my little pioneer Dragon.
     and the day on the beach as we where told how to summon our Pet Dragons. they did not just pop up next to you like most games of the time did. we watched as over 5000 Dragons came flying down out of the clouds and landed next to you on the beach. like a large flock of seagulls flying down to land. it was like the most amazing thing to see.   yes they had settlers accounts also that got Griffins. i think they had 10,000 total accounts or was it 15,000 for the SOG. but that many people on one server for the Beta SOG was so much fun large battles i had to upgrade my PC. The tech was doing all it could to keep things running at a good FPS auto cutting down the polygon count on the fly to keep it running smooth for you even if it started to look like poop. it still played good. 

    still have the E-mail from them. 

    "Thu, Nov 24, 2005 at 5:19 PM
    Congratulations dekamore, you're now part of the 8 881 private Dark and Light Pioneers society!

    Save your login to identify yourself, activate your key and benefit from 48 hours of exclusivity in Dark and Light, before the official release.

    The rank of your Numbered Edition will be sent to you by email.

    If ever you wish to take part to the Settlers of Ganareth experience, stay on the watch, you will receive the link for the download in your email box.

    See you soon!

    The Dark and Light Team."

    "Welcome dekamore, you are the Ganareth Pioneer #1900"
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  • DeadDOGDeadDOG Member UncommonPosts: 191
    edited August 6
    the world was so Big 39,000 sq km of landmass.
    Switzerland40,000 sq km

    yep as big as that. 

    so much fun even after the problems and the one Dev Varr I think he was called.  ran off with all the tech to China and then lost in court and then had Snail Games remake it with the ARK setup.
    Mind you all he had to do was Give Credit to the guy that made the graphic side of the game VWorldTerrain technology by keeping the LOGO on the game starting screen. yet he tried to steal the tech and say he was not using it. Lost that one in court.  https://web.archive.org/web/20100914120602/http://www.vworld.fr/Gb/GBtechnology.htm

    server side was Big world server tech.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riot_Sydney

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  • DibdabsDibdabs Member RarePosts: 3,238
    Scot said:
    Dibdabs said:
    Kyleran said:
    Play EVE where you can wear any color hat when and where you wish.

    Plenty of shades of grey in between where you can serve on the side of either the Random or the Purpose.

    ;)

    It's been years since I last played Eve, but it was great to play a game where you could do exactly what you wanted, where you wanted and how you wanted.  I've never played a game since that allowed me to do that.  Back when I played WoW with my kids and the Death Knight came out, I absolutely loved the intro quest.  "Finally", I thought, "a character than can do evil stuff!!"  imagine my disappointment when, after the redemption arc, the character was on a railroad to becoming the same goody-goody generic character as every other character.  ?

    Just for a change, I don't want to help villagers get rid a problem - I want to BE the problem.
    I have known of so many players and indeed guilds who I think of as "the problem" in PvP, so I don't see the issue. You also said you "(never) bother with the lore" so why be concerned about what you are doing in quests?

    But I do have two suggestions for you, the evil side in EQ2 and Warhammer Online really do give you a sense of being the problem. Check them out.
    I meant It is ME that wants to be the villager's problem.  I want to burn it to the ground and loot it, as an "evil character" would do so.  Why would someone from an evil race rescue the damn village?  PvP isn't what I meant, not do I mean in quests, either.  If I play (purely as an example) an Orc, Sith or a Death Knight I want to play the game as an actual evil character, where choices matter.  I can do this in certain single-player games, so that will have to do for now.
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  • DibdabsDibdabs Member RarePosts: 3,238
    I knew the name Dark and Light rang a bell - it's still lurking n my Steam library.  I'll dust it off and play for a while, as I can't remember anything at all about the game!
  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,779
    Dibdabs said:
    I knew the name Dark and Light rang a bell - it's still lurking n my Steam library.  I'll dust it off and play for a while, as I can't remember anything at all about the game!
    Do you have the original or the attempted remake. I think he’s talking about the original.
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    Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo 
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,483
    Try games that have too small of a playerbase to justify running multiple servers.
  • TillerTiller Member LegendaryPosts: 11,449
    Rift
    SWG Bloodfin vet
    Elder Jedi/Elder Bounty Hunter
     
  • DeadDOGDeadDOG Member UncommonPosts: 191
    Dibdabs said:
    I knew the name Dark and Light rang a bell - it's still lurking n my Steam library.  I'll dust it off and play for a while, as I can't remember anything at all about the game!
    yes  the original G. wish someone had a OG dark and light server setup. but the server tech was massive. to run. with the power of computers today someone might be able to make a server for a 1000 players or so on One computer. the OG DnL had a hive of servers. 
     not sure if there is Videos on how Big world tech worked. 
    still does just has a new name. 

    people have the tech maybe someone in China at Snail games has a copy of it. 

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  • DeadDOGDeadDOG Member UncommonPosts: 191
    Dibdabs said:

    I meant It is ME that wants to be the villager's problem.  I want to burn it to the ground and loot it, as an "evil character" would do so.  Why would someone from an evil race rescue the damn village?  PvP isn't what I meant, not do I mean in quests, either.  If I play (purely as an example) an Orc, Sith or a Death Knight I want to play the game as an actual evil character, where choices matter.  I can do this in certain single-player games, so that will have to do for now.

    some people would run in and just destroy others things.
          then their was the Mob tactics if you want our protection join us pay us and we will smash anyone that come near you. unless they paid us more to smash you.

    the Mob style more on the Light side. because they declared they are the Good Guys. and you will be with us or against and we are Good. so you have to be Evil if you are not with us. 

    Need to make a Post about the DNL OG. we have derailed this one. it was to be about other games that had the One server for everyone in the world games or at least everyone in one area.

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  • DibdabsDibdabs Member RarePosts: 3,238
    DeadDOG said:
    Dibdabs said:

    I meant It is ME that wants to be the villager's problem.  I want to burn it to the ground and loot it, as an "evil character" would do so.  Why would someone from an evil race rescue the damn village?  PvP isn't what I meant, not do I mean in quests, either.  If I play (purely as an example) an Orc, Sith or a Death Knight I want to play the game as an actual evil character, where choices matter.  I can do this in certain single-player games, so that will have to do for now.

    some people would run in and just destroy others things.
          then their was the Mob tactics if you want our protection join us pay us and we will smash anyone that come near you. unless they paid us more to smash you.

    the Mob style more on the Light side. because they declared they are the Good Guys. and you will be with us or against and we are Good. so you have to be Evil if you are not with us. 

    Need to make a Post about the DNL OG. we have derailed this one. it was to be about other games that had the One server for everyone in the world games or at least everyone in one area.

    I simply want mmorpgs to have evil quest chain alternatives to the never-ending, ubiquitous good quest chains.  If I play an evil character from an evil race I'm hardly going to be wanting to save a hobbit village from monsters.  I want to help the monsters defeat the good guys coming to wipe them out.  Something like the Overlord games, I guess, where you play the bad guy.  It's so much more fun.
  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,271
    edited August 7
    Dibdabs said:
    I meant It is ME that wants to be the villager's problem.  I want to burn it to the ground and loot it, as an "evil character" would do so.  Why would someone from an evil race rescue the damn village?  PvP isn't what I meant, not do I mean in quests, either.  If I play (purely as an example) an Orc, Sith or a Death Knight I want to play the game as an actual evil character, where choices matter.  I can do this in certain single-player games, so that will have to do for now.
    Well that's what you do in EQ2 and even more so in Warhammer online. You may not be burring down the environment (rather hard for me to remember in EQ2, maybe you were), but in Warhammer you are doing quests among burned down human settlements as your Chaos guy wades through. That should suit you. 
  • mikeb0817mikeb0817 Member UncommonPosts: 171
    edited August 7
    DeadDOG said:
    the world was so Big 39,000 sq km of landmass.
    Switzerland40,000 sq km

    yep as big as that. 

    so much fun even after the problems and the one Dev Varr I think he was called.  ran off with all the tech to China and then lost in court and then had Snail Games remake it with the ARK setup.
    Mind you all he had to do was Give Credit to the guy that made the graphic side of the game VWorldTerrain technology by keeping the LOGO on the game starting screen. yet he tried to steal the tech and say he was not using it. Lost that one in court.  https://web.archive.org/web/20100914120602/http://www.vworld.fr/Gb/GBtechnology.htm

    server side was Big world server tech.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riot_Sydney

    This is crazy. I had NO idea some guy tried to steal the tech and it resurfaced under Snail. Holy shit that's interesting. 

    I actually liked the Snail D&L game. It had lots more flavor than ARK and I prefer a fantasy setting in most games. The official servers were/are always empty though so the Racial Cities and stuff baked into them were never used in the servers I mess around on. I would have played that game for a long time if I had a group, it was fun.
  • AngrakhanAngrakhan Member EpicPosts: 1,749
    I don't know if it will fit the bill of one server to rule them all but as far as map size goes Light no Fire claims they are building a procedurally generated map the size of earth. 1:1 scale is my understanding. Now it's not replicating Earth's topography, but still if you want BIG that's BIG. Depending on where you spawn in, you could play for thousands of hours and never run into another player. Granted it's a multiplayer game so they actually want you to group up, so they will have tools to connect with your friends and find new ones. However I imagine if you wanted to just get lost exploring you could do that to a level that no other games has done. I'd be skeptical of it all except it's the same team that built No Man's Sky, so their tech is already battle tested.
    ScotDeadDOG
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 43,975
    edited August 7
    Foxhole is a war centric game which puts large numbers of players against each other in a two sided war which is run across periodic campaigns to one side wins.

    The devs, Siege Camp are currently working on Anvil Empires, a medeval version which will support up to 1000 player per world.

    Anvil is a massively multiplayer game where thousands of players work together to build empires, wage war, and conquer in a persistent online world. March alongside armies of players in massive melee battles and large scale sieges.

    https://store.steampowered.com/app/1373910/Anvil_Empires/

    Also found this recent story on MoP 

    https://massivelyop.com/2024/06/24/anvil-empires-shares-improvements-to-the-game-worlds-natural-features-and-fort-building/

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  • DibdabsDibdabs Member RarePosts: 3,238
    Angrakhan said:
    I don't know if it will fit the bill of one server to rule them all but as far as map size goes Light no Fire claims they are building a procedurally generated map the size of earth. 1:1 scale is my understanding. Now it's not replicating Earth's topography, but still if you want BIG that's BIG. Depending on where you spawn in, you could play for thousands of hours and never run into another player. Granted it's a multiplayer game so they actually want you to group up, so they will have tools to connect with your friends and find new ones. However I imagine if you wanted to just get lost exploring you could do that to a level that no other games has done. I'd be skeptical of it all except it's the same team that built No Man's Sky, so their tech is already battle tested.

    I have my hopes pinned on this one, as just about every new release in the last 18 months has failed to live up to their promises and my expectations.  I put it on my wishlist the moment news of the game released.
  • DibdabsDibdabs Member RarePosts: 3,238
    Scot said:
    Dibdabs said:
    I meant It is ME that wants to be the villager's problem.  I want to burn it to the ground and loot it, as an "evil character" would do so.  Why would someone from an evil race rescue the damn village?  PvP isn't what I meant, not do I mean in quests, either.  If I play (purely as an example) an Orc, Sith or a Death Knight I want to play the game as an actual evil character, where choices matter.  I can do this in certain single-player games, so that will have to do for now.
    Well that's what you do in EQ2 and even more so in Warhammer online. You may not be burring down the environment (rather hard for me to remember in EQ2, maybe you were), but in Warhammer you are doing quests among burned down human settlements as your Chaos guy wades through. That should suit you. 

    I did try EQ2 a hell of a long time ago but, once again, I can't really remember much about the game.  I'll give it another try.  

    Oddly, one of my sons and I were reminiscing about Warhammer Online, in a phone call, only a couple of days ago!  We were sad when it shut down.
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 43,975
    Dibdabs said:
    Scot said:
    Dibdabs said:
    I meant It is ME that wants to be the villager's problem.  I want to burn it to the ground and loot it, as an "evil character" would do so.  Why would someone from an evil race rescue the damn village?  PvP isn't what I meant, not do I mean in quests, either.  If I play (purely as an example) an Orc, Sith or a Death Knight I want to play the game as an actual evil character, where choices matter.  I can do this in certain single-player games, so that will have to do for now.
    Well that's what you do in EQ2 and even more so in Warhammer online. You may not be burring down the environment (rather hard for me to remember in EQ2, maybe you were), but in Warhammer you are doing quests among burned down human settlements as your Chaos guy wades through. That should suit you. 

    I did try EQ2 a hell of a long time ago but, once again, I can't really remember much about the game.  I'll give it another try.  

    Oddly, one of my sons and I were reminiscing about Warhammer Online, in a phone call, only a couple of days ago!  We were sad when it shut down.
    What about playing on the Empire side of SWTOR?  After completing a full playthrough as a Rebel Heavy Gunner I started a new character as a Sith Inquisitor or something.

    Wasn't too long before I found myself cajoling a child to turn his parents in as traitors to the Empire.  I think I took the "good" path of choices in that I sent his parents to prison.

    The evil choice would have had me shoot them in front of the child, or send them to a death camp.  :#

    The story quickly became too dark for me, even when selecting the good choices, so I lost interest, realizing deep down I just can't play the role of a bad guy, even if it's just a game.


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  • DigDuggyDigDuggy Member RarePosts: 694
    I enjoy MO2.  It gets a lot of hate, but currently, it's in a pretty good state.  Much better than early days.  Before I get jumped on, I didn't say perfect.
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  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,271
    Dibdabs said:
    Scot said:
    Dibdabs said:
    I meant It is ME that wants to be the villager's problem.  I want to burn it to the ground and loot it, as an "evil character" would do so.  Why would someone from an evil race rescue the damn village?  PvP isn't what I meant, not do I mean in quests, either.  If I play (purely as an example) an Orc, Sith or a Death Knight I want to play the game as an actual evil character, where choices matter.  I can do this in certain single-player games, so that will have to do for now.
    Well that's what you do in EQ2 and even more so in Warhammer online. You may not be burring down the environment (rather hard for me to remember in EQ2, maybe you were), but in Warhammer you are doing quests among burned down human settlements as your Chaos guy wades through. That should suit you. 

    I did try EQ2 a hell of a long time ago but, once again, I can't really remember much about the game.  I'll give it another try.  

    Oddly, one of my sons and I were reminiscing about Warhammer Online, in a phone call, only a couple of days ago!  We were sad when it shut down.
    Return of Reckoning - Index

    Warhammer Online is being run by fans check it out.
    Kyleran
  • DibdabsDibdabs Member RarePosts: 3,238
    edited August 7
    Scot said:
    Dibdabs said:
    Scot said:
    Dibdabs said:
    I meant It is ME that wants to be the villager's problem.  I want to burn it to the ground and loot it, as an "evil character" would do so.  Why would someone from an evil race rescue the damn village?  PvP isn't what I meant, not do I mean in quests, either.  If I play (purely as an example) an Orc, Sith or a Death Knight I want to play the game as an actual evil character, where choices matter.  I can do this in certain single-player games, so that will have to do for now.
    Well that's what you do in EQ2 and even more so in Warhammer online. You may not be burring down the environment (rather hard for me to remember in EQ2, maybe you were), but in Warhammer you are doing quests among burned down human settlements as your Chaos guy wades through. That should suit you. 

    I did try EQ2 a hell of a long time ago but, once again, I can't really remember much about the game.  I'll give it another try.  

    Oddly, one of my sons and I were reminiscing about Warhammer Online, in a phone call, only a couple of days ago!  We were sad when it shut down.
    Return of Reckoning - Index

    Warhammer Online is being run by fans check it out.

    I actually did, a few hours ago, but the downloading from the site crashed twice, so I've given up for now.  I'll try again tmorrow. Thanks for the tip.
    Post edited by Dibdabs on
  • cameltosiscameltosis Member LegendaryPosts: 3,831
    Scot said:
    Dibdabs said:
    Scot said:
    Dibdabs said:
    I meant It is ME that wants to be the villager's problem.  I want to burn it to the ground and loot it, as an "evil character" would do so.  Why would someone from an evil race rescue the damn village?  PvP isn't what I meant, not do I mean in quests, either.  If I play (purely as an example) an Orc, Sith or a Death Knight I want to play the game as an actual evil character, where choices matter.  I can do this in certain single-player games, so that will have to do for now.
    Well that's what you do in EQ2 and even more so in Warhammer online. You may not be burring down the environment (rather hard for me to remember in EQ2, maybe you were), but in Warhammer you are doing quests among burned down human settlements as your Chaos guy wades through. That should suit you. 

    I did try EQ2 a hell of a long time ago but, once again, I can't really remember much about the game.  I'll give it another try.  

    Oddly, one of my sons and I were reminiscing about Warhammer Online, in a phone call, only a couple of days ago!  We were sad when it shut down.
    Return of Reckoning - Index

    Warhammer Online is being run by fans check it out.

    I can vouch for Return of Reckoning. I've been playing it on and off for the last 18 months, and been back on it again since the 10 year anniversary a few months ago.


    It still has the same problems as live - namely, its a PvP game based on vertical progression, so if ur low rank, you'll get stomped - but its also actively supported and has a reasonably good population.


    Tend to get 800-1000 people online during EU primetime, 300-500 during US primetime. Those numbers pick up during events and will also pickup after the summer break is over.

    Still, pretty much every night of the week, you can find 100+ vs 100+ PvP fights in the lakes. Scenarios (the instanced pvp) tend to pop very quickly during primetime too. If you fancy PvE, there are often groups for the various dungeons in the game.



    Virtually everything from live has been implemented. Some public quests haven't been done properly, and there are bugs aplenty! Main difference is with Land of the Dead (their only expansion). RoR has implemented LotD as a zone, but the rank 80-100 stuff that originally came with LotD isn't in.



    Anyways, it's free, so nothing to lose if u wanna play it.
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  • ringdanyringdany Member UncommonPosts: 195
    edited August 10
    Try Champions of Regnum -- one server named Ra for everyone. i really enjoy knowing everyone i wanna kill is either online, or not. And all my friends are somewhere in the server. I disliked LOTRO where they have server instances. In LOTRO, I could be standing at the tavern, and my friends also logged in are also at the tavern, but i cant see them without changing to their instance. Regnum is my most favourite mmo.

    It is also a big faction war mmo.
    Kyleran
  • ringdanyringdany Member UncommonPosts: 195
    Dibdabs said:

    It's been years since I last played Eve, but it was great to play a game where you could do exactly what you wanted, where you wanted and how you wanted.  I've never played a game since that allowed me to do that.  Back when I played WoW with my kids and the Death Knight came out, I absolutely loved the intro quest.  "Finally", I thought, "a character than can do evil stuff!!"  imagine my disappointment when, after the redemption arc, the character was on a railroad to becoming the same goody-goody generic character as every other character.  ?

    Just for a change, I don't want to help villagers get rid a problem - I want to BE the problem.
    the only mmo that i can think of that really lets you do this is Neverwinter Nights from 2002. Now suffixed with Enhanced Edition on Steam. The top roleplay servers in this game actually allow players to go in and play the murderer, megalomaniac, thief, warmonger etc etc. I think the only rule is that you must roleplay your character This means, if you wanna go murder everyone, the mods will talk to you and ask for your reason and plot background.

    Also keep in mind, if you are rping a murderer etc, there are other players roleplaying murders etc etc, and players roleplaying assassins guild members, or paladins, and they are likely to try to hunt you down.

    Or.. you can play a full on free for all pvp game like Regnum. No need for a reason to kill the enemy in the most heartless way you like. Just happened to me yesterday =.=.

  • PhaserlightPhaserlight Member EpicPosts: 3,075
    Vendetta Online is a lot of fun.  It's grown in many ways over the years, but where it still truly shines (its golden heart) is the PvP; it's realtime, physics-based.  A 1v1 versus a skilled player can feel like... an intense saber duel, where it's really you wielding the sword.

    There is a lot of PvE content that has been added recently, as well.
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