Listening to the regrets of these 'donors' you can come to the conclusion that this is destructive in so many ways.
Uh, these are people who were going to lose their money some other way. If the boys over at SC were doing anything illegal, I should think it would have been shut down by now.
The good thing is, they seemed to have learned something. It could have been worse.
Listening to the regrets of these 'donors' you can come to the conclusion that this is destructive in so many ways.
Uh, these are people who were going to lose their money some other way. If the boys over at SC were doing anything illegal, I should think it would have been shut down by now.
The good thing is, they seemed to have learned something. It could have been worse.
I just was a little baffled by the stupidity. You're right about them losing money some other way. Generally it was the sentiment and remorse for spending the money more than anything else. There isn't a feeling of things improving or hope. Like light at the end of the tunnel. They all seem to think it's going to be a failure or not at all delivering a proper game.
That is the most telling part of this litany of losses. I suppose they're still being inundated with donations, so no shortage of fools.
That is the most telling part of this litany of losses. I suppose they're still being inundated with donations, so no shortage of fools.
It'd call fools the people get almost trapped to points of spending dangerous amounts of money say on getting their anime girls on genshin.
I'd call destructive, actual monetization that's hits the lines of proper gambling (especially gatcha gaming) to have people sink huge amounts of money, small amounts at a time.
I don't really call destructive a company that's developing a game and continues funding its development by giving you the option to buy these expensive assets with cash; and still gives you the option to play and buy them in-game. What we see on SC is not abnormal monetization for an MMO.
That is the most telling part of this litany of losses. I suppose they're still being inundated with donations, so no shortage of fools.
It'd call fools the people get almost trapped to points of spending dangerous amounts of money say on getting their anime girls on genshin.
I'd call destructive, actual monetization that's hits the lines of proper gambling (especially gatcha gaming) to have people sink huge amounts of money, small amounts at a time.
I don't really call destructive a company that's developing a game and continues funding its development by giving you the option to buy these expensive assets with cash; and still gives you the option to play and buy them in-game. What we see on SC is not abnormal monetization for an MMO.
I kinda think that if they'd started their crowdfunding with the
words, 'It will take twelve (or more) years and nearly a billion dollars
to release,' the reception would have been markedly different.
Fortunately,
for the intensely masochistic, there's a huge trail of
self-incriminating videos showing feature creep and other bad management
flaws.
If it weren't for the upcoming payment on their loan, SQ42 would still be SQ404.
That said, if you are not a clueless teen, anyone spending money now on SC knows the quagmire they're jumping in to.
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
I kinda think that if they'd started their crowdfunding with the
words, 'It will take twelve (or more) years and nearly a billion dollars
to release,' the reception would have been markedly different.
Nobody does that, everyone lowballs their estimates, you want the publisher to pay the bils, the investor to invest, the player to buy, that's just how things work.
I would say the very existence of Early Access and how big it gotten is a clear reflection that the only way to save projects dragging on past what they have the money for, is to start selling them as early as possible, as unfinished as a game may be.
This is a global reality, some have the money to sustain the usual drags, others do not and sell early, others do not and release barebones/broken, others die mid-way... the stuff we're already used to in a nutshell.
Watch as they will buy more shiny ships and blame Roberts for it
Honestly, it's hard not to have mad respect for someone who can talk these guys into ponying up 50K for nothing as of yet.
Seems to me developing a game may be a waste of his time.
As long as they have a playable tech demo the people seem to be willing to pay....It is probably more of an indicator of how desperate gamers are to find the next great game.
Watch as they will buy more shiny ships and blame Roberts for it
Honestly, it's hard not to have mad respect for someone who can talk these guys into ponying up 50K for nothing as of yet.
Seems to me developing a game may be a waste of his time.
As long as they have a playable tech demo the people seem to be willing to pay....It is probably more of an indicator of how desperate gamers are to find the next great game.
There is probably something in there about the amount of disposable income that is available and late-stage-capitalism and the sunsetting of Western Civilization, but I don't want to get too dark here. :P
From a safe distance i have been observing Star Citizen, it does feel like a project that either can't afford to come out of a crowd-funding stage; or just doesn't want to.
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Watch as they will buy more shiny ships and blame Roberts for it
Honestly, it's hard not to have mad respect for someone who can talk these guys into ponying up 50K for nothing as of yet.
Seems to me developing a game may be a waste of his time.
As long as they have a playable tech demo the people seem to be willing to pay....It is probably more of an indicator of how desperate gamers are to find the next great game.
Or most of them already found their next great game and therefore keep supporting it!
I may have heard that the programmers at Star Citizen aren't all working on the new game, but instead are busy writing malware to hack the next election. While this may be a rumor, we'll know something is up when Roberts is being sworn in as the next president.
I may have heard that the programmers at Star Citizen aren't all working on the new game, but instead are busy writing malware to hack the next election. While this may be a rumor, we'll know something is up when Roberts is being sworn in as the next president.
No. That's just a messed up rumor.
The facts are that Roberts is working with Elon and neither can Constitutionally become President but they CAN manipulate to make Dogecoin the official replacement for USD and Robert's massive Dogecoin investment will skyrocket.
Elon is going to play Star Citizen Alpha 5.0 from his base on Mars. He plans to livesteam on X and thinks it will be hysterical to play a spaceship sim while sitting in an actual interplanetary spaceship that took less time to build than the sim.
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Watch as they will buy more shiny ships and blame Roberts for it
Honestly, it's hard not to have mad respect for someone who can talk these guys into ponying up 50K for nothing as of yet.
Seems to me developing a game may be a waste of his time.
As long as they have a playable tech demo the people seem to be willing to pay....It is probably more of an indicator of how desperate gamers are to find the next great game.
Or most of them already found their next great game and therefore keep supporting it!
Ahh, so they are playing Throne and Liberty which recently released, check.
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Listening to the regrets of these 'donors' you can come to the conclusion that this is destructive in so many ways.
Dumb decisions are the responsibility of those that make them. If $25K isn't a trivial amount in comparison to your overall wealth you shouldn't be spending that much on a crowdfunded game that may never be.
Listening to the regrets of these 'donors' you can come to the conclusion that this is destructive in so many ways.
Dumb decisions are the responsibility of those that make them. If $25K isn't a trivial amount in comparison to your overall wealth you shouldn't be spending that much on a crowdfunded game that may never be.
All the more reason to have lots of information out about the pitfalls of these things, and the track record of the various designers.
'Cause that buzz you got while playing a game when you were 11 might not be the best advisor.
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
Listening to the regrets of these 'donors' you can come to the conclusion that this is destructive in so many ways.
Dumb decisions are the responsibility of those that make them. If $25K isn't a trivial amount in comparison to your overall wealth you shouldn't be spending that much on a crowdfunded game that may never be.
Do people own their “dumb decisions”? Sure
Do companies ALSO have a responsibility to be truthful? Yes.
Both are true.
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Listening to the regrets of these 'donors' you can come to the conclusion that this is destructive in so many ways.
Dumb decisions are the responsibility of those that make them. If $25K isn't a trivial amount in comparison to your overall wealth you shouldn't be spending that much on a crowdfunded game that may never be.
See, while I sympathise with the general sentiment of personal responsibility, this is also taking it to the extreme. As the old saying goes, no man is an island and people who do this will inevitably shape the future decisions of game companies.
It's an endless vicious circle:
- "Can we get them to spend 10k on a game?" - "Sweet, I just bought a 10k game package." - "Clearly, we can squeeze the players more!"
How do you think we got to this pitiful state of the gaming industry? Through some kind of conspiracy among the gaming publishers? I'm sure that's what many players like to think, especially those who have been doing this shit for almost two decades now.
There is a reason why game studios these days have jobs like director of monetisation and it is in large part due to this mentality - "I can do whatever I want with my money". Well, yes, you sure can - but there are consequences.
Listening to the regrets of these 'donors' you can come to the conclusion that this is destructive in so many ways.
Dumb decisions are the responsibility of those that make them. If $25K isn't a trivial amount in comparison to your overall wealth you shouldn't be spending that much on a crowdfunded game that may never be.
See, while I sympathise with the general sentiment of personal responsibility, this is also taking it to the extreme. As the old saying goes, no man is an island and people who do this will inevitably shape the future decisions of game companies.
It's an endless vicious circle:
- "Can we get them to spend 10k on a game?" - "Sweet, I just bought a 10k game package." - "Clearly, we can squeeze the players more!"
How do you think we got to this pitiful state of the gaming industry? Through some kind of conspiracy among the gaming publishers? I'm sure that's what many players like to think, especially those who have been doing this shit for almost two decades now.
There is a reason why game studios these days have jobs like director of monetisation and it is in large part due to this mentality - "I can do whatever I want with my money". Well, yes, you sure can - but there are consequences.
The consequences might not be viewed as a negative by the purchaser or the company but still might be detrimental to the overall gaming community or the game's design.
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They've been sucking up, and wasting all teh funds for games! (1)(2)(3)
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I don't understand how such a low effort, trolly post has had so much legs. And I'm anti Chris Roberts.
They've been sucking up, and wasting all teh funds for games! (1)(2)(3)
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I don't understand how such a low effort, trolly post has had so much legs. And I'm anti Chris Roberts.
We are really, really bored around here these days.
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They've been sucking up, and wasting all teh funds for games! (1)(2)(3)
NOTES: 1: Hey Babs, how ya been? 2: It is the Tuesday Troll. I'm bored, please provide your best troll. 3: Don't worry about me, once the mods read this, I can create a new account later. The first person to take this thread seriously, looses!
I don't understand how such a low effort, trolly post has had so much legs. And I'm anti Chris Roberts.
It takes a certain amount of expertise to make something appear "low effort".
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If the boys over at SC were doing anything illegal, I should think it would have been shut down by now.
The good thing is, they seemed to have learned something.
It could have been worse.
That is the most telling part of this litany of losses. I suppose they're still being inundated with donations, so no shortage of fools.
Seems to me developing a game may be a waste of his time.
It'd call fools the people get almost trapped to points of spending dangerous amounts of money say on getting their anime girls on genshin.
I'd call destructive, actual monetization that's hits the lines of proper gambling (especially gatcha gaming) to have people sink huge amounts of money, small amounts at a time.
I don't really call destructive a company that's developing a game and continues funding its development by giving you the option to buy these expensive assets with cash; and still gives you the option to play and buy them in-game. What we see on SC is not abnormal monetization for an MMO.
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
I would say the very existence of Early Access and how big it gotten is a clear reflection that the only way to save projects dragging on past what they have the money for, is to start selling them as early as possible, as unfinished as a game may be.
This is a global reality, some have the money to sustain the usual drags, others do not and sell early, others do not and release barebones/broken, others die mid-way... the stuff we're already used to in a nutshell.
As long as they have a playable tech demo the people seem to be willing to pay....It is probably more of an indicator of how desperate gamers are to find the next great game.
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Fishing on Bronzebeard since 2005
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The facts are that Roberts is working with Elon and neither can Constitutionally become President but they CAN manipulate to make Dogecoin the official replacement for USD and Robert's massive Dogecoin investment will skyrocket.
Elon is going to play Star Citizen Alpha 5.0 from his base on Mars. He plans to livesteam on X and thinks it will be hysterical to play a spaceship sim while sitting in an actual interplanetary spaceship that took less time to build than the sim.
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
Dumb decisions are the responsibility of those that make them. If $25K isn't a trivial amount in comparison to your overall wealth you shouldn't be spending that much on a crowdfunded game that may never be.
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
Do companies ALSO have a responsibility to be truthful? Yes.
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
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Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
It's an endless vicious circle:
- "Can we get them to spend 10k on a game?"
- "Sweet, I just bought a 10k game package."
- "Clearly, we can squeeze the players more!"
How do you think we got to this pitiful state of the gaming industry? Through some kind of conspiracy among the gaming publishers? I'm sure that's what many players like to think, especially those who have been doing this shit for almost two decades now.
There is a reason why game studios these days have jobs like director of monetisation and it is in large part due to this mentality - "I can do whatever I want with my money". Well, yes, you sure can - but there are consequences.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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