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Worst. Community. Ever.
Ashkael
Member Posts: 166
So I reactivated my account a few days ago. Been away since before NF even came out. I thought all the nifty newness of catacombs and DR would revitalize the game and pull people away from mass AFK powerlevelling in Modernagrav and actually USE the content they've payed for. Boy was I ever wrong.
First I tried my oldest character amongst my horde of alts. A Mid warrior. Oddly enough, my old guild on Palomides was still active. I thought it would be a nice welcome back and a nice way to get a group going for RvR or general exp. Being 44 at the time (I told you, HORDE of alts) I also thought I could get a hand with a couple of simple quests. Again, I was wrong. I ask around and find that no one, anywhere on this server, runs exp groups anymore. Not one. Getting people together for anything other than a massive raid with phat lewtz is now impossible. Even Darkness Falls is a ghost town. Indeed, the only way you'll ever see another soul in a PvE zone is to join the throngs of powerlevellers in Modernagrav.
Oh well, at least I have my guild! Nope. As soon as I make a quip about the community being as barren as Midgards terrain I get called a whiney !$#%tard and get told to /delete Y-E-S. At that point I wasn't being very serious but to be outright insulted by my own guild members just aggrivated me. Looking at their names alone could have told me that these people (if you can call them that) were not the type I would even want to speak to. You know the type. They're the ones with names like Omgimarunie or Lolshamanlol instead of pouring an ounce of originality or thought into their characters. They're also the type to overuse slang and acronyms and have a particular fondness of the "n" word. My issues with that word alone are enough to spur another debate, but that is for another post...
So after all this, I spent $10 bucks on the Cats expansion and another $15 to reactivate for what? The company of buffbots? The ability to watch the pinnacle of the human gene pool swing hammers at each other? Having half of Aegir all to myself? The community can make or break any MMORPG. If anything, Palomides is an example of what can happen when the game developers completely ignore the community. Players can walk around in blatant violation of any rule or policy Mythic has put up with no fear of so much as getting a slap on the wrist. Left unmoderated, a community WILL devolve into the lowest common denominator, becoming more caustic and intolerant than any high school clique.
In the end this has been an interesting, if aggrivating, look at the human social structure at its lowest. At best, this will serve as a warnign to anyone brave or stupid enough to roll up on Palomides or even the greater Killibury cluster. At worst, this is the reason why adolescents go insane and kill each other.
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I'm sorry, but I have to say I find your post extremely hard to believe, not only based on my own experiences (and yes, even on the very cluster you mentioned) but also based on the posts of many other people. At the very least I'd have to say you're extremely exaggerating, at worst, flat out lieing for the sole purpose of trolling and stirring up trouble on the forums here. But hey, everyone is entitled to their own opinion...
Richard J. Cox
"There were much of the beautiful, much of the wanton, much of the bizarre, something of the terrible, and not a little of that which might have excited disgust."
Rofl are you kidding me?
I bet you would commit suicide if you played WoW if you think DAoC community is bad...
First off Ashkael, I hope you can take some constructive criticism. If you're any better than the way you just categorized the whole community of DAoC then you should be able to.
That being said, I have noooo idea what you're talking about. I started playing DAoC a few months ago. I switched over from WoW which was my first MMO, and I have had nothing but fun. I have made some good friends and had some good laughs along the way. I can honestly tell you that I don't know how many people I reported playing WoW for various just nasty reasons. I haven't even come close to reporting anyone in DAoC. They have all been nice and helpful.
I started on the Lancelot server and built a 50 Hib on there. I then wanted to see the environment for Midgard so I got onto the Merlin server. That server is in the same cluster as Palomides. I personally have not heard anyone say the "n" word on there ever. Not even on the Lancelot server. What kind of guild were you in? Maybe it's dynamics changed. Why don't you try another guild perhaps. Or better yet why don't you report that jerk and get him out of the game so we don't have to put up with him.
I noticed you only cited one example of someone saying something that swayed your opinion. Look, there are asses everywhere you go. There are asses in church for Christ's sake, the alleged sanctuary of the holy and rightous. You've got to understand that. You can't make a statement such as your title and say DAoC has the worst community ever because someone got under your skin somewhere. Even if it were two people that's still a big time minority compared to the others playing the game, trying to be helpful, and keeping a good game getting better. Tell the ass to piss off and move on.
I would also be curious as to where you heard the statements you heard. Were they in the newbie guild. And even if they weren't be a little more thick skinned. As a matter of fact stand up to the punk and then look for some good people.
Look, I admit my experiences with MMO's has been minimal. But I KNOW that the community in in DAoC takes the WoW community by a landslide when it comes to politeness, decency, and helpfulness. I really would just consider getting into another guild if your old one has changed.
Which guild was it that was being such jerks anyways? I would have no problem letting their guild master know what kind of reputation they're getting on message boards. That might motivate them into taking a little more proactive approach. Seriously, what guild was it, I'll be the first to contact them.
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It all seems so stupid
It makes me want to give up
But why should I give up
When it all seems so stupid
Actually the community on Earthen Ring far outshines that of Palomides. Indeed, the guild and alliance I am part of is downright civil by any standards. I am not trying to classify the entire DAoC community as horrid, just the Palomides community. Although from what I have seen on Lamorak, Gareth, Lancelot, and Guinevere it seems that the general comminuty seems to gravitate towards these standards, although not nearly to the extreme of Palomides.
I'd be happy to try yet another realm out for as long as my $15 "investment" holds out.
Dude, like I said. I play on Lancelot. I can honestly with my right hand raised tell you that I solemnly swear I have no idea what you're talking about. NOBODY has ever been mean to me on Lancelot. EVER, EVER, EVER! What happened to you on Lancelot? Specifically.
I thought you said in your original post your guild was being mean to you on Palomides? And what is Earthen Ring?
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It all seems so stupid
It makes me want to give up
But why should I give up
When it all seems so stupid
Earthen Ring is a WoW server and was in reference to zerocools remark. Perhaps I will try Lancelot again. My characters on there are in Albion, which felt to me like the origin of the Alb zerg stereotype. Leaders who couldn't lead their way out of a paper bag and followers who followed each other so well it seemed like they were all covered in superglue. I got to 26 with a wizard there before I got wind that the higher levels were all the same. Indeed, I might just reroll some Hibbies there. If nothing else, it'll be different.
And to whom it may concern, the guild on Palo I've been referencing was Danevirke. Quite sad, really. They've been around since release, and even has one member from way back then. Sadly, he doesn't seem to give a damn about the community or the guild.
? I am on garreth server midgard realm and the people just seem nice overall ?
{(RIP)} SWG
All I can say is to me it seems like you've got kind of a negative expectation going into the whole thing. I don't see any of the stuff you've described, and others have commented the same. I'm no shrink, but that's the way it seems to me.
And as far as WoW goes, been there, done that, burned the t-shirt and parting prizes. I find it hard for anyone to find that community better than DAoC. And if you do then it would seem maybe that's the community you're looking for. Maybe the DAoC crowds niceness is lost somewhere in it's interpretation to you. I hope you start enjoying it more though. I hate to see people not having fun in life.
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It all seems so stupid
It makes me want to give up
But why should I give up
When it all seems so stupid
im gonna go with everyone in general opposed to the OP....most of the stuff youve run into just seems unfortunate and ive never run into anything remotely like that. I bump into random people all the time and EXP groups arnt hard to find if you use ur guild or alliance chats....everything up there seems server specific. I play on Merlin and have had nothing but a pleasent experiance with the game. its just unfortunate that your situation is as horrible as it is, oh and i play on Midgard, havnt tried other realms, so maybe its Realm specific as well? from what ive gathered Mid is more popular realm, but not sure
I've been playing DAoC since release four years ago, and then Euro DAoC. Only two players have made my /ignore list in all that time. There are always a few idiots in any game but DAoC has one of the most mature, friendly and helpful community I've ever found in a MMOPRG. And I've played most of them.
“Hustlers of the world, there is one mark you cannot beat: the mark inside.”
― William S. Burroughs
One pet peeve I have about some people is that they have a HORDE of almost level 48 alts.
20 Jessica Alba clones and a can of whipped cream couldn't satisfy this player.
This is the type of player that begs and begs and begs for help, and then they want you to drop everything you are doing at that moment for them.
If you dont reply in less than 30 seconds this person will blow up on you.
This is the type of player that says sure I'll bring my 44 warrior to help out your group of mid 40's, get bored, and say BRB I'm gonna get my 25 hunter.
This is the reason no one wants to help this sort of player. People have their minds made up and they dont want to start over.
Make up your mind and get a character to 50 with others before you get bored and roll a HORDE of FoTM's instead of slowing eveyone else down.
Everyone has had a run in with this type of player. No matter how much you help them, its never enough.
Well I'm glad you know me personally and have grouped with me on numerous occasions. Oh wait...
Fact of the matter is that I'm a relatively casual player with some four hour stints twice a week. At least that's how it was before I cancelled. Under normal circumstances that would be more than enough to get to 50. However, in the days before Catacombs where all a warrior could do was solo a yellow mob once every 10 minutes in Spindelhalla, it was far more difficult and mind numbing. As I said, it's all but impossible to get a "real" group going on Palomides, and I've always been against powerlevelling in every game I've played.
I'm also not a whiney little annoyance constantly asking for hand me downs. I've recieved free high end gear from my (former) guildies, but only after offering to pay. That's how nice the Danes used to be. In fact the only time you'll see me asking for help is if I'm stuck on where to find a quest mob, or I can't solo it.
Thank you for your troll attempt though, it is really quite flattering.
Well I'm glad you know me personally and have grouped with me on numerous occasions. Oh wait...
Fact of the matter is that I'm a relatively casual player with some four hour stints twice a week. At least that's how it was before I cancelled. Under normal circumstances that would be more than enough to get to 50. However, in the days before Catacombs where all a warrior could do was solo a yellow mob once every 10 minutes in Spindelhalla, it was far more difficult and mind numbing. As I said, it's all but impossible to get a "real" group going on Palomides, and I've always been against powerlevelling in every game I've played.
I'm also not a whiney little annoyance constantly asking for hand me downs. I've recieved free high end gear from my (former) guildies, but only after offering to pay. That's how nice the Danes used to be. In fact the only time you'll see me asking for help is if I'm stuck on where to find a quest mob, or I can't solo it.
Thank you for your troll attempt though, it is really quite flattering.
No problem, whatever it takes to help the little whiney annoyances. Sorry to hear about your failure to make friends in a video game.
Whatever you do, keep that toaster away from the bathtub.
Just a personal experience tonight. I logged on my 47 animist (Lancelot/Hib) and got asked two times to do a Darkness Falls raid. I dunno. I can't see what your talking about dude.
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One pet peeve I have about some people is that they have a HORDE of almost level 48 alts.
20 Jessica Alba clones and a can of whipped cream couldn't satisfy this player.
This is the type of player that begs and begs and begs for help, and then they want you to drop everything you are doing at that moment for them.
If you dont reply in less than 30 seconds this person will blow up on you.
This is the type of player that says sure I'll bring my 44 warrior to help out your group of mid 40's, get bored, and say BRB I'm gonna get my 25 hunter.
This is the reason no one wants to help this sort of player. People have their minds made up and they dont want to start over.
Make up your mind and get a character to 50 with others before you get bored and roll a HORDE of FoTM's instead of slowing eveyone else down.
Everyone has had a run in with this type of player. No matter how much you help them, its never enough.
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I had a horde of almost 50's too. Guess that makes me a whiny begger also. But I also had a 50. Who ran artie raids with the following rules:
random 1000 high rolls win. Open rolls on everything. One roll per item. If you win, you cannot roll on other items until everyone has won. I claim nothing, I roll like everyone else.
The point of alt is so you can try a different class and have the fun you had the first time. Personally I was a BG whore, mainly with thid and molvik, and as many times as I've tried I just couldn't get my 50 back into those bg's (although seeing a 50 in thid would be a blast for a few hours).
In all I had 4 crafters willing to make an entire suit + weapon(s) for anyone, epecially newbies, in thid. I never asked for payment but donations were accepted. Every night I helped any guild/alliance member with any task they had going and never once switched to a lowbie toon that couldn't fulfill the role they needed. We had a group of alliance members that set up a mod PL group for anyone that wanted help there and thats when I would bring in a lowbie for freeloading but he was also accompinied by my 50 pac healer.
I had my share of problems with the community too but it wasn't with the people I saw on a daily basis. The OP probably just remembered the guild from before and wasn't expecting the responses from this time. Biggest thing IS to find a guild that works together. Then get that in a /as that functions like a family and not like a group of guilds.
And as I side note from all that I've seen of wow when I watch friends play it this community is a bunch of saints compared to the brats on that overrated childrens game. I think if I ever played wow I'd probably go postal and make a supervirus called the anti-rude and hunt each little snot down
Get back in a try DAOC again but change things up. Think of it as starting over
I also thought I could get a hand with a couple of simple quests.
Again, I was wrong. I ask around and find that no one, anywhere on this server, runs exp groups anymore. Not one. Getting people together for anything other than a massive raid with phat lewtz is now impossible. Even Darkness Falls is a ghost town. Indeed, the only way you'll ever see another soul in a PvE zone is to join the throngs of powerlevellers in Modernagrav.
Most quest are soloable now. Maybe they just knew that. I mean you cant just hopon one day and expect some level 50's to drop their game play to help you with a quest. Maybe after you've mae an attempt to help them out a little too.
You should hang out byt he TD. and look for a group. you can type /who 40-44 and ask em if they want to do a TD with you.
You have to troll the mesage boards. There are lot of raids going on you just have to find out when. Youy can also type /who BG or /who CG. If you dont liek the people in your guild you can quit.
But I would say that everyone on DAoC is pretty nice and probably nicer then most other games. but they are other people playing the game and not robots. There are also so many thing to do in the game each person wll proably have his own thing he wants to do at a given time. They might be playing big boy RvR in which case a level 44 toon would be pretty frustrateing for you and them to join. They might be doing champ stuff which you cant really do until lvl 50 either. Its not like WOW were everyone has to be doing the same boring crap anyways and any toon can join. Finally I would say that if you give it some time and make an effort not to get help but to help other people on what ever they need you will find the game allot more rewarding and people genuily trying to help you more as well.
Most quest are soloable now. Maybe they just knew that. I mean you cant just hopon one day and expect some level 50's to drop their game play to help you with a quest. Maybe after you've mae an attempt to help them out a little too.
You should hang out byt he TD. and look for a group. you can type /who 40-44 and ask em if they want to do a TD with you.
You have to troll the mesage boards. There are lot of raids going on you just have to find out when. Youy can also type /who BG or /who CG. If you dont liek the people in your guild you can quit.
But I would say that everyone on DAoC is pretty nice and probably nicer then most other games. but they are other people playing the game and not robots. There are also so many thing to do in the game each person wll proably have his own thing he wants to do at a given time. They might be playing big boy RvR in which case a level 44 toon would be pretty frustrateing for you and them to join. They might be doing champ stuff which you cant really do until lvl 50 either. Its not like WOW were everyone has to be doing the same boring crap anyways and any toon can join. Finally I would say that if you give it some time and make an effort not to get help but to help other people on what ever they need you will find the game allot more rewarding and people genuily trying to help you more as well.
I still say the answer is meeting stones. But everyone jumps on me when I say that.
That's cool though, I like having people on me. hehe.
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I came back to DAOC for a while, and my experiences were similar to the OPs. Not to compare DAOC's current community with other MMOs, as most have nothing worth comparing to, but DAOC doesn't have anything like the community that it used to.
I partly blame things like instances of Catacombs, the splintering caused by TOA, and an overall lack of new content to replenish the aging community, rather than kill it, but it may just be a simple matter of being an old game, I don't know. I keep hoping for something new that compares to what DAOC used to be.
edit: oh, and DAOC was NOT my first MMO. It was my fifth so don't suggest that my newness to the genre had anything to do with my perceptions.
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
What I can see in that long post.. stripping it down to its essentials... Is that:
He has a hard time finding a group...
And one person in his old guild insulted him
I dunno, in my personal opinion, that is not exactly a plethora of evidence, enough to start accusing the whole game community. I have more doubts about him and his attitude than the rest of DaoC.
"This is not a game to be tossed aside lightly.
It should be thrown with great force"
Its called social anxiety disorder.