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PvP is Oh SO UBER!!! LOL
I honestly dont know how anyone can sit there and say its good PvP.. I guess it is, if u like to stay targeted to one person for hours on end while the rest of your group and buddies target him as well, just to have him spam heal pots then recall. But wait thats teamwork, Thats a PvP style that makes you work together to destroy anything. You Should have to have 50+ people on one guy to kill him because if you dont WE ALL KNOW that its not skill or using your head that killled him. Yea thats what i look for in a PvP game, Screw Skill!, Screw out thinking your Oppenent, Screw the gratification of saying " I GOT YOU!!" Nope i would rather beat a stick at a wall for hours intil it fell, Then grin b/c I KNOW THAT I WAS ONE OF THE 50 PEOPLE ON YOU AND U DIED>> OHHHH PWNED..
Come on guys, This game good PvP? If you like doing as i described ( Beating on a wall with a stick) plz play this game and i honestly hope you enjoy it.. Whereas I feel so cheated from this game that 2 months after I destroyed anything RF off my comp, I still feel joy in informing others of the games "UBER PVP"..
God i wish i was mindless so i could enjoy this game, b/c right now i cant find a single game, that i havent played that can hold my interest.
Seige
Ugh Forgive my Newbie posting ways, Messed up the Poll.. *cries*
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you don't like it? there is the door to counterstrike, knock yourself out.
Teamwork must be all the game is about, because your skills nor your " Strategy" have any effect on the count of your oppents potions. You character has skills yes, but none that are worth a rats a-- when it comes to pvp. Why ? Because each of your "skills" are a potion that your target easilly counters with a spam potion macro. So leet, so much strategy, so much skill. Strategy.... lets all attack (Justlikeyoucharacter0021) so we can kill her pot supply and make her recall. Then we can do that to the next guy... yehaa strategy pwns.
The mindless rhetoric you fanboi's spout is mind boggling, my only hope is this game dies leaving codemasters in debt... and you Rf online junkies find a real pvp game and learn what pvp is.
Secondlly big group vs big group, goto Daoc and learn what zerg vs zerg is and how it's meant to be played.
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Edit--- Ah and btw why must we goto Counterstrike to find a skill based game? Plenty of true pvp games out there to pick from. Wait I guess your idea of skill based is hitting your potion macro while using an attack? Skillfull!
Based on War huh? Yeah your right in War everyone focuses on one person in order to take him out. (Maybe a high priorty target) Teamwork? well i guess you could say that. More like a mindless mob of people hitting one person with there pointless skills. Strategy? Strategy?? WHAT!? There is no more Strategy involved in picking out the most important targets than there is in deciding you need to put the key in your cars iginition to start it. ( Strategy In RF online..... "wow guys theres a lvl 45 eveyone focus on him so we can kill the lvl 40s next." Thats all the Strategy there is, But hey if it taxes you that much to make "Strategic Desicions" like that then maybe RF online if the best game for feeble minded gamers. Lol you said it best though you dont play with your own skills. Oh BTW , in order to make or execute "Strategic Decisions" you need to have fast reflexes in order to change that strategy, but your right not in this game b/c if you actually had to use strategy in order to win the Chip Wars then it would involve alot more than just the Levels of people. You just mindlessly whack on someone til they die or recall. Ugh once again the mindless mob spouts out about how this game takes Strategy, when will you people learn the errors of your ways.. Repent and Salvation will be yours.
Seige
Teamwork must be all the game is about, because your skills nor your " Strategy" have any effect on the count of your oppents potions. You character has skills yes, but none that are worth a rats a-- when it comes to pvp. Why ? Because each of your "skills" are a potion that your target easilly counters with a spam potion macro.
bzzt, wrong answer. the goal is to outdamage the target. you have to use debuffs and work together with your fellow race member. but ofcourse, you obviously tried to 1 vs 1 pvp, which is not what the game is build for, so back to WoW and Daoc with you
So leet, so much strategy, so much skill. Strategy.... lets all attack (Justlikeyoucharacter0021) so we can kill her pot supply and make her recall. Then we can do that to the next guy... yehaa strategy pwns.
your supposed to outdamage her healing. the port is indeed a mistake of CCR, but geuss what will be fixed in the upcomming patch?
a small question for you, altough I am a 100% sure you will provide me with the wrong answer.
A Bellato Wizard, Black Mau and Hidden soldier are before you, you are on the Accretian side with 3 friends. Your a Mercenary, your friend is an assaulter and the other one is a Striker. now tell me, which of the 3 should you kill first, the Wizard, the Black Mau or the Hidden soldier? do you see where I'm going to? In fact, what is your role as the Mercenary?
The mindless rhetoric you fanboi's spout is mind boggling, my only hope is this game dies leaving codemasters in debt... and you Rf online junkies find a real pvp game and learn what pvp is.
let me geuss, we should all go play DaoC so we can learn what "real" pvp is, just like you did? please, don't make me laugh.
Secondlly big group vs big group, goto Daoc and learn what zerg vs zerg is and how it's meant to be played.
I don't know about you, but in my oppinion, DAOC F A I L E D.
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Edit--- Ah and btw why must we goto Counterstrike to find a skill based game? Plenty of true pvp games out there to pick from. Wait I guess your idea of skill based is hitting your potion macro while using an attack? Skillfull!
Teamwork must be all the game is about, because your skills nor your " Strategy" have any effect on the count of your oppents potions. You character has skills yes, but none that are worth a rats a-- when it comes to pvp. Why ? Because each of your "skills" are a potion that your target easilly counters with a spam potion macro.
bzzt, wrong answer. the goal is to outdamage the target. you have to use debuffs and work together with your fellow race member. but ofcourse, you obviously tried to 1 vs 1 pvp, which is not what the game is build for, so back to WoW and Daoc with you
Outdamage the target, you mean out damage his pots.. thank you for your consent in this and there by proving the ridiculous notion that is Rf online potion wars. Once again I point you to potions... they negate any ability or debuff you can try... PERIOD
So leet, so much strategy, so much skill. Strategy.... lets all attack (Justlikeyoucharacter0021) so we can kill her pot supply and make her recall. Then we can do that to the next guy... yehaa strategy pwns.
your supposed to outdamage her healing. the port is indeed a mistake of CCR, but geuss what will be fixed in the upcomming patch?
a small question for you, altough I am a 100% sure you will provide me with the wrong answer.
A Bellato Wizard, Black Mau and Hidden soldier are before you, you are on the Accretian side with 3 friends. Your a Mercenary, your friend is an assaulter and the other one is a Striker. now tell me, which of the 3 should you kill first, the Wizard, the Black Mau or the Hidden soldier? do you see where I'm going to? In fact, what is your role as the Mercenary?
Selecting the correct target is your idea of Strategy? I'm not sure what to be more disappointed with, Your reasoning that the priority targets dieing first is "Strategy" and not just common sense or the fact that its also the exstent of RF onlines "Strategy" .. pathetic yet another consent.
The mindless rhetoric you fanboi's spout is mind boggling, my only hope is this game dies leaving codemasters in debt... and you Rf online junkies find a real pvp game and learn what pvp is.
let me geuss, we should all go play DaoC so we can learn what "real" pvp is, just like you did? please, don't make me laugh.
Not just daoc, Any pvp game for that matter is leaps and bounds ahead of this pile of potion spamming garbage.
Secondlly big group vs big group, goto Daoc and learn what zerg vs zerg is and how it's meant to be played.
I don't know about you, but in my oppinion, DAOC F A I L E D.
The most ignorant statement I've yet to see on these boards... Daoc failed? They set the mold... other games all pull from what DAOC has done and continues to do. Or did you mean zerg vs zerg failed? Well i guess to someone who thinks hitting his potion macro and then mindless assisting on one person... the idea of Peeling, Crowd control, healing, tanking, interupting, and a plethora of other choices during a fight... doesn't sound appealing.
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Nothing you fanboi's do or say will ever make this game something it is not, it's not a pvp game.. heck it's not even a RvRvR game. It's a potion war plain and simple no skill to it in the least. Unless writing a macro to use the potions is considered skill. The basic concepts such as assisting you fanboi's claim to be so difficult and the key to pvp is absurd. The worst pvper on these boards knows assisting is the most basic concept applied to group vs group fights... it's not a Strategy. The correct selection of key targets is likewise not a strategy... its what pvpers do. Want a taste of strategy ?
--- One ( randomclass02) runs down a hill towards a group of enemies. The targets then see the solo man and give chase... That one solo toon turns and leads them right into an ambush from his group... The CC class easilly subdues the tankers ( being the first to rush in always) , while the ambush team lays into the Healers and other CCers. The group gets wiped from being lured into one of the easiest deployed strategys in pvp---
Basic Basic Basic strategy ... THAT is strategy... selecting a target is NOT strategy you damnable morons. Enjoy your game devoid of skil , just don't spout off about the " strategy" required to play it... there is none.
Not only does potions ruin any chance at skill based pvp, levels mean more than anything. Someone a meer 3-5 levels over you can hand you your --- regardless of how well you play or how many you bring to the fight. If the fight even looks to be a challenge.. /startpotionmacro
Nothing you fanboi's do or say will ever make this game something it is not, it's not a pvp game.. heck it's not even a RvRvR game. It's a potion war plain and simple no skill to it in the least. Unless writing a macro to use the potions is considered skill. The basic concepts such as assisting you fanboi's claim to be so difficult and the key to pvp is absurd. The worst pvper on these boards knows assisting is the most basic concept applied to group vs group fights... it's not a Strategy. The correct selection of key targets is likewise not a strategy... its what pvpers do. Want a taste of strategy ?
--- One ( randomclass02) runs down a hill towards a group of enemies. The targets then see the solo man and give chase... That one solo toon turns and leads them right into an ambush from his group... The CC class easilly subdues the tankers ( being the first to rush in always) , while the ambush team lays into the Healers and other CCers. The group gets wiped from being lured into one of the easiest deployed strategys in pvp---
Basic Basic Basic strategy ... THAT is strategy... selecting a target is NOT strategy you damnable morons. Enjoy your game devoid of skil , just don't spout off about the " strategy" required to play it... there is none.
Not only does potions ruin any chance at skill based pvp, levels mean more than anything. Someone a meer 3-5 levels over you can hand you your --- regardless of how well you play or how many you bring to the fight. If the fight even looks to be a challenge.. /startpotionmacro
Nothing you fanboi's do or say will ever make this game something it is not, it's not a pvp game.. heck it's not even a RvRvR game. It's a potion war plain and simple no skill to it in the least. Unless writing a macro to use the potions is considered skill. The basic concepts such as assisting you fanboi's claim to be so difficult and the key to pvp is absurd. The worst pvper on these boards knows assisting is the most basic concept applied to group vs group fights... it's not a Strategy. The correct selection of key targets is likewise not a strategy... its what pvpers do. Want a taste of strategy ?
--- One ( randomclass02) runs down a hill towards a group of enemies. The targets then see the solo man and give chase... That one solo toon turns and leads them right into an ambush from his group... The CC class easilly subdues the tankers ( being the first to rush in always) , while the ambush team lays into the Healers and other CCers. The group gets wiped from being lured into one of the easiest deployed strategys in pvp---
Basic Basic Basic strategy ... THAT is strategy... selecting a target is NOT strategy you damnable morons. Enjoy your game devoid of skil , just don't spout off about the " strategy" required to play it... there is none.
Not only does potions ruin any chance at skill based pvp, levels mean more than anything. Someone a meer 3-5 levels over you can hand you your --- regardless of how well you play or how many you bring to the fight. If the fight even looks to be a challenge.. /startpotionmacro
Nothing you fanboi's do or say will ever make this game something it is not, it's not a pvp game.. heck it's not even a RvRvR game. It's a potion war plain and simple no skill to it in the least. Unless writing a macro to use the potions is considered skill. The basic concepts such as assisting you fanboi's claim to be so difficult and the key to pvp is absurd. The worst pvper on these boards knows assisting is the most basic concept applied to group vs group fights... it's not a Strategy. The correct selection of key targets is likewise not a strategy... its what pvpers do. Want a taste of strategy ?
--- One ( randomclass02) runs down a hill towards a group of enemies. The targets then see the solo man and give chase... That one solo toon turns and leads them right into an ambush from his group... The CC class easilly subdues the tankers ( being the first to rush in always) , while the ambush team lays into the Healers and other CCers. The group gets wiped from being lured into one of the easiest deployed strategys in pvp---
Basic Basic Basic strategy ... THAT is strategy... selecting a target is NOT strategy you damnable morons. Enjoy your game devoid of skil , just don't spout off about the " strategy" required to play it... there is none.
Not only does potions ruin any chance at skill based pvp, levels mean more than anything. Someone a meer 3-5 levels over you can hand you your --- regardless of how well you play or how many you bring to the fight. If the fight even looks to be a challenge.. /startpotionmacro
Lets just keep it at the fact that your just another hater, who won't be reasonable,and after reading your last post, is also someone who doesn't really know a lot about the game, heck, you can´t even answer the simple question I asked you.
heh..calling people morons over a game..I geuss that came from some brat of highschool. grow up first, behave mature, open yourself for other people oppinions and THEN come back here for a discussion.right now, your just another forum troll.
Wow, usually i would tell myself, " ignore it , there is always going to be something else someone else has to spout off about and the argument will never end." But in this case i will say one more thing..
He is a hater eh? I honestly dont know how you cant hate this game and him being one, towards this game, is nothing short of compliment to a actual PVP MMoRPG gamers. You havent argued any of the things he's said. In fact u agreed with him on several things, BUT YET you still sit there in front on your computer littered with little " I LOVE RF ONLINE" stickers, bottle of Xtra Slick Lube nearby and wads of kleenex; and spout off about him not knowing anything about the game. The point he made is RF ONLINE takes no STRATEGY TO PLAY( This can no longer be argued. But try again to vaildate the "You have to decide which guy to kill first is a profound Strategy" if it will get you off one more time. Secondly and most important RF ONLINE should be titled Pot Wars ONLINE( This also cant be argued)
Now now must we resort to the your a high school brat, grow up first argument? Being such a high poster i would have thought you could debate things a tad better. Lol behave mature? I honestly dont see how he has behaved anyway, but mature. Open yourself to others opinions? Jeez buddy I recommend the same thing to you, Now the part that got me chuckling .
"our just another forum troll."
Lol yeah just look at his post count? /sarcasm off Also look at the way he explains things to you, yet you never stick to the topic, just go off on a tangent about some ridiculious question about which class to take out first. Then spout off about him not answering it . If anyone is the "Forum Troll" it is surely you my friend. Consider what he said, also what i have said.. Think long and hard about it ---NOT to hard though, given the amount of Strategy you have to deal with in playing Pot Wars Online and how diffcult you claim it to be,none of us here would like you to hurt yourself.
Hope you can pop off another load on this one Fanboi..
hugs and kisses-Seige
Please dont vote for whether RF online is crap we already know that..just the pvp please
About as tatical as taking a shit. WELL said.
Seige
I'll tell you about the strategy invovled in RF Online. In chip wars, its important to know WHEN to attack, its important to decide which armor to wear, its important to pick the right targets, its important to know when to pull back. but those are all things you two obviously fail to see. you hide behind the potions, acting like its everything, which is simply not the case. it destroys 1 vs 1 pvp, yes. but not group vs group. you guys obviously don't understand the game, and thats all that needs to be said.
p.s. me defending the game I enjoy does not make me some kind of fanboi, or whatever you have in your mind. your posting this in the RF Online section, what do you expect?
But I think it's also fair to say that RFO is still a very new game.
With many many many updates to come.
So while you can shoot down and destroy the gameplay as it is now, I think the fact that the game is still very popular in Asia says something about its quality when it's matured. But then again, you can tell me that Asian gamers are completely different from us, which in a sense is true.
But we're not all THAT different. It's not like all the Asian gamers are a bunch of mindless retards who can only thrive in a game with no strategy.
I say give RFO a chance to grow and mature. This goes for any new game coming out. As more and more people play, new strategies develop regardless of the game designers' original intentions. Strategy is more often than not created by players, not the game.
So give it time. You don't have to play now... but I think it's interesting to watch a game grow from it's infant stages.
And even if the game itself doesn't cater well to the complex PVP action you people are referring to, that just means you have the opportunity to MAKE YOUR OWN PVP SYSTEM.
New games have that flexibility that allows players to develop their own system. Games can't spoon feed you all the time! Gather your friends! Make a new style! Create traditions! That's the excitement involved in starting a game when it's still new.
I mean, c'mon... To some avid gamers, a spoon fed game is an insult. They want a company that trusts their players enough to give them the freedom to create. Isn't Star Wars Galaxy kind of like that? I've heard the worlds are mostly player-run, and look how successful it is.
Using pots to grind in pve is fine as grinding as a whole is repetitive and a yawn fest but when your fighting other players it should be down to skill, strategy etc not who has the most potions in their bag etc.
But each to their own i guess...
Thats true GL, when people talk about PvP in MMO's they are generally referring to 1 on 1 which usually isn't the case. I don't know if any MMO is really designed for one on one as class roles usually come into play.
There are different levels of of conflict. Individual, tactical (small scale units, best example is WoW or Guild Wars) and Strategic (probably L2 is the closest to this because of the scale of the PvP, although not really a "true strategic game its not a tactical PvP either DAoC is a another good example of strategic as the game depends heavily on the possession of realm relics and castle / keep ownership)
In a military scenerio it would make no sense to break up your forces and weaken your firepower. Military units win battles by destroying the enemy with overwhelming firepower not by sending in individual soldiers hoping someone will eventually "win".
One on One is for duels and arenas. Although I really don't like RFO, it dont know why MMOers think 1 on 1 is PvP when no game mechanically accomodates this style really.
In large scale battles it is really irrelevant what the individuals are doing (as far as drinking potions or whatnot) as long as the "force" wins.
Planetside is an awesome example of a really good sci-fi tactical/strategic PvP game. I highly recommend this game over RFO. Its free to play for the first 6 or so levels also. It has Mechs, air vehicles, ground vehicles and a pretty good assortment of weapons. In addition there is no pointless PvE grind, you get right into the action. There are several worlds, bases and asteriods to fight over so its more then just a single mine location like RFO. Nothing is more fun then being part of an initial invasion of a world and fighting it out until someone wins. Battles for a world could take hours.