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Soldiers of Fortune quit DnL...

-Inferno--Inferno- Staff WriterMember UncommonPosts: 325

One of the oldest and formerly most supportive guilds of DnL has left the game. Strofer has posted the following:


It is with a heavy heart that I announce the Soldiers of Fortunes' departure from Dark and Light.


Our Guild has been involved with the game from the outset and had high hopes for it's great success.


However, things have not turned out as we had hoped and our membership have voted with their feet.


I, myself, have now cancelled my subscription and bit you all a fond farewell.


SoF will now move on to pastures new. I hope all those who remain with the game eventually get what they are looking for.


Goodbye and Good Luck!

That is another great loss for DnL...



"Fire is never a gentle master..."

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  • jimmyman99jimmyman99 Member UncommonPosts: 3,221
    Im surprised anyone was actually still playing D*L

    I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
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  • MW2KMW2K Member UncommonPosts: 1,036

    He's cancelled his subscription, but from all reports, he'll still be billed...

  • NagelFireNagelFire Member Posts: 409

    Strofer seems like a smart guy o_o, I honestly dont see why peeps play this game.

    Kinda like I dont gte why a game rated 3.6 had 1.7k topics inside its forums, While games with an 7.8 rating like ROSE online have like 3 topics in their forum.  Weird.

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  • GameloadingGameloading Member UncommonPosts: 14,182


    Originally posted by NagelFire

    Strofer seems like a smart guy o_o, I honestly dont see why peeps play this game.

    Kinda like I dont gte why a game rated 3.6 had 1.7k topics inside its forums, While games with an 7.8 rating like ROSE online have like 3 topics in their forum.  Weird.


    well for one, ROSE forum was only created recently.

    furthermore, people on this forum simply LOVE to complain about games. when a bad game like D&L is released, the forum will soon be filled with hate topics.
  • GnomadGnomad Member Posts: 377

    Originally posted by NagelFire

    furthermore, people on this forum simply LOVE to complain about games. when a bad game like D&L is released, the forum will soon be filled with hate topics.


    No actually people on here like to point out facts about less then honest companies and the POS games that they are foisting on the sheeple of the MMORPG world.

    If you feel that facts are hate then you belong in the official Deceit and Lie forums, so I only assume that you are being tongue in cheek.

  • DuraheLLDuraheLL Member Posts: 2,951
    ... what is DNL?

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    $OE lies list
    http://www.rlmmo.com/viewtopic.php?t=424&start=0
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    And I don't want to hear anything about "I don't believe in vampires" because *I* don't believe in vampires, but I believe in my own two eyes, and what *I* saw is ******* vampires! "

  • chlaoschlaos Member Posts: 1,118


    Originally posted by DuraheLL
    ... what is DNL?

    a very bad joke....

    "The man who exchanges Liberty for Iconic classes is a fool deserving of neither." - Me and Ben Franklin

  • TaspharelTaspharel Member Posts: 8

    Sad but true.

    I was council member of SoF for quite some time as well and the reason for SoF to have stayed this long lies in their strong bonds to the Project that DnL once was ... SoF was one of the first english guilds to have intensive contact with the Devs and even had meetings with them at E3 and stuff ... so giving up on a dream that lasted 3 years or more is pretty hard.

    I am kind of saddened at this, since that makes it even more clear that DnL is dead.... not that i had any more hopes, but seeing that one of the biggest supporters leaves now as well should make the devs kill themselves....

  • ScarisScaris Member UncommonPosts: 5,332


    Originally posted by -Inferno-

    One of the oldest and formerly most supportive guilds of DnL has left the game. Strofer has posted the following:
    It is with a heavy heart that I announce the Soldiers of Fortunes' departure from Dark and Light.
    Our Guild has been involved with the game from the outset and had high hopes for it's great success.
    However, things have not turned out as we had hoped and our membership have voted with their feet.
    I, myself, have now cancelled my subscription and bit you all a fond farewell.
    SoF will now move on to pastures new. I hope all those who remain with the game eventually get what they are looking for.
    Goodbye and Good Luck!That is another great loss for DnL...

    I will never understand why people form guilds before a game launches for a game. That is like setting yourself up for disaster and WAY over-hyping yourself for something.

    There is plenty of time to form friendships in the game after it launches and after you decide you LIKE it and want to stay.

    - Scaris

    "What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World

  • lysandinglysanding Member Posts: 154


    Originally posted by Taspharel

    Sad but true.

    I was council member of SoF for quite some time as well and the reason for SoF to have stayed this long lies in their strong bonds to the Project that DnL once was ... SoF was one of the first english guilds to have intensive contact with the Devs and even had meetings with them at E3 and stuff ... so giving up on a dream that lasted 3 years or more is pretty hard.

    I am kind of saddened at this, since that makes it even more clear that DnL is dead.... not that i had any more hopes, but seeing that one of the biggest supporters leaves now as well should make the devs kill themselves....


    lol  freakin nerds
  • virtuellavirtuella Member UncommonPosts: 699


    Originally posted by NagelFire

    Strofer seems like a smart guy o_o, I honestly dont see why peeps play this game.

    Kinda like I dont gte why a game rated 3.6 had 1.7k topics inside its forums, While games with an 7.8 rating like ROSE online have like 3 topics in their forum.  Weird.


    Well the game had a long time in development so people had a long time to sit here and talk.

    Horizons is another game you could compared somewhat to DnL when it comes to developmenttime and community.
    16,305 topics over at VN boards in Horizonsforum for a game that totally sucked at release and never resembled anything what horizons was meant to be from the start.
    I followed Horizons more than 3 years very close and the community was great over at VN boards at a time and the DEV's talked to us :)
    That's right.
    They posted left and right.
    Just to bad the shit hit the fan when David Allen and Douglas shuler "left" Artifact entertainment.

    In short.
    Both games had a long developmenttime and both had a great community in the start,that's why there is so many topics compared to the games quality.

    I heard Horizons improved since release but no way i'm going back to that trainwreck,just like i will never set foot in Al-Drifa again.

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  • ZippyZippy Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 1,412


    Originally posted by virtuella

    Originally posted by NagelFire

    Strofer seems like a smart guy o_o, I honestly dont see why peeps play this game.

    Kinda like I dont gte why a game rated 3.6 had 1.7k topics inside its forums, While games with an 7.8 rating like ROSE online have like 3 topics in their forum.  Weird.

    Well the game had a long time in development so people had a long time to sit here and talk.

    Horizons is another game you could compared somewhat to DnL when it comes to developmenttime and community.
    16,305 topics over at VN boards in Horizonsforum for a game that totally sucked at release and never resembled anything what horizons was meant to be from the start.
    I followed Horizons more than 3 years very close and the community was great over at VN boards at a time and the DEV's talked to us :)
    That's right.
    They posted left and right.
    Just to bad the shit hit the fan when David Allen and Douglas shuler "left" Artifact entertainment.

    In short.
    Both games had a long developmenttime and both had a great community in the start,that's why there is so many topics compared to the games quality.

    I heard Horizons improved since release but no way i'm going back to that trainwreck,just like i will never set foot in Al-Drifa again.


    You can't compare Horizons to DnL.  Horizons was a bad game but it had a 100 times mroe content 6 months before it was released than DnL has now.  Plus one part of Horizons was exceptionally well done its craftinga nd thats why people still play it  Horizons is arguably the best crafting game of all time.  Everything about DnL is plain bad.
  • MuraisMurais Member UncommonPosts: 1,118
       I'm an SoF'er myself. We kinda just didn't rub well with DnL for obvious reasons. We're in limbo right now, but most of us will be playing Vanguard. I think I'm going on to Warhammer, however.

  • tetsultetsul Member Posts: 1,020


    Originally posted by Murais
       I'm an SoF'er myself. We kinda just didn't rub well with DnL for obvious reasons. We're in limbo right now, but most of us will be playing Vanguard. I think I'm going on to Warhammer, however.

    Hmm... you don't say? I would have never guessed.

  • MuraisMurais Member UncommonPosts: 1,118
      Har har, yeah, I like how it's shaping up.

       But, I thought the same of DnL...

      Bah, oh well. SoF's a great group of people, and it's a shame that DnL flopped, or it would have been some good times. Oh well, Here's hoping for better luck for everyone in their endeavors.


  • virtuellavirtuella Member UncommonPosts: 699


    Originally posted by Zippy

    Originally posted by virtuella

    Originally posted by NagelFire

    Strofer seems like a smart guy o_o, I honestly dont see why peeps play this game.

    Kinda like I dont gte why a game rated 3.6 had 1.7k topics inside its forums, While games with an 7.8 rating like ROSE online have like 3 topics in their forum.  Weird.

    Well the game had a long time in development so people had a long time to sit here and talk.

    Horizons is another game you could compared somewhat to DnL when it comes to developmenttime and community.
    16,305 topics over at VN boards in Horizonsforum for a game that totally sucked at release and never resembled anything what horizons was meant to be from the start.
    I followed Horizons more than 3 years very close and the community was great over at VN boards at a time and the DEV's talked to us :)
    That's right.
    They posted left and right.
    Just to bad the shit hit the fan when David Allen and Douglas shuler "left" Artifact entertainment.

    In short.
    Both games had a long developmenttime and both had a great community in the start,that's why there is so many topics compared to the games quality.

    I heard Horizons improved since release but no way i'm going back to that trainwreck,just like i will never set foot in Al-Drifa again.


    You can't compare Horizons to DnL.  Horizons was a bad game but it had a 100 times mroe content 6 months before it was released than DnL has now.  Plus one part of Horizons was exceptionally well done its craftinga nd thats why people still play it  Horizons is arguably the best crafting game of all time.  Everything about DnL is plain bad.


    I compared those two games to explain why DnL here on these boards had 1700 topics and Horizons on VN boards have 16000 topics.
    Long developmenttimes and great communities in the beginning.

    As for the crafting part i have top say your wrong.
    It was fun in the start but it got booring fast to run around extracting things and so on.

    Personally i find Extraction/crafting more interesting in The Saga of Ryzom because there you can develop a lot of various skills in your extractiontree so not all extractors can do the same.
    The crafting is pretty complex too because all dropped items have different stats and there is several items in the same slots so you can make a lot of different stuff,depending how you want the enditem to become.

    Everquest II too has a good craftingpart where you have to pay attention to what your doing.
    Played Horizons and EQ II in beta  and both after release and both games sure had tons more content in beta than DnL had at release.

    To bad Horizons never turned out like David Allen originally visioned it.
    Man it could have been a kickass game.
    Same thing i guess we can say for Dark And Light.



    Ohh well,i guess we now have to look forward for Age of Conan,Heroes Journey,Warhammer,LOTRO or maybe Star trek online.
    I don't see how Vanguard or darkfall will become a succes.
    Maybe just maybe Vanguard can because there is a huge void atm.

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  • holycannoliholycannoli Member Posts: 236

    I don't know much about Warhammer the mmorpg or Warhammer the table top game, but I do know it's being developed by Mythic, the same people that brought us DAOC, so it will be a great game.

    Will it be PvP though? And not carebear PvP?

  • virtuellavirtuella Member UncommonPosts: 699


    Originally posted by holycannoli

    I don't know much about Warhammer the mmorpg or Warhammer the table top game, but I do know it's being developed by Mythic, the same people that brought us DAOC, so it will be a great game.
    Will it be PvP though? And not carebear PvP?


    Seems like there will be different kinds of PvP ingame.

    Both the normal all open PvP zones we know from DAOC,them some Sort of battlegrounds where you end up in a waiting cue and is getting zoned in,and if one side is uneven then NPC's will aid the lownumbered side,then there is zones where PvE is but also allows PvP in other areas of the zone.
    Will be interesting to follow.

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  • niccoli00niccoli00 Member Posts: 98


    Originally posted by Fadeus


    I will never understand why people form guilds before a game launches for a game. That is like setting yourself up for disaster and WAY over-hyping yourself for something.

    There is plenty of time to form friendships in the game after it launches and after you decide you LIKE it and want to stay.




    A lot of guilds have been around for many games though.  I don't know if that was the case for this guild, but just a reason why a guild might have been there before the game came out.

    Niccoli

  • DezKreeTDezKreeT Member Posts: 9
    i to was a long time sof member, council member, and led the guild alongside strofer.  when i first joined this forum was when i decided i wasted too much time in a worthless game already and there was no point continuing to do so.  Strofer tried his hardest to keep thinking positive about the situation in hopes to keep our memberbase together, but this game did to us what it was so great at doing to other guilds, destroying them.  For the last year the core members of the guild fell one by one, venturing elsewhere so they could persue what they initially wanted, something dnl could not deliver.  and the Release then came, members started dropping fast, and in the end it was pretty much those who are still around now and keep in contact, about 10 of us.  It was great working along side strofer, he was a perfect counterpart for me, polite, well spoken and a great diplomat.  Whereas i am rather crude and impolite at times, and diplomacy isn't my strong point.  So he handled most of the external affairs, and i did a lot of the internal tasks, such as administering and entertaining our members with my sick personality :D

    To those sof members here, i had some great times in our close knit community, hopefully we'll run into eachother in other games in the future.    -[Outcast] (Sagares)


  • DezKreeTDezKreeT Member Posts: 9


    Originally posted by niccoli00

    Originally posted by Fadeus


    I will never understand why people form guilds before a game launches for a game. That is like setting yourself up for disaster and WAY over-hyping yourself for something.

    There is plenty of time to form friendships in the game after it launches and after you decide you LIKE it and want to stay.




    A lot of guilds have been around for many games though.  I don't know if that was the case for this guild, but just a reason why a guild might have been there before the game came out.


    SoF inittially came from Project Entropia.  A small group of 10 or so people decided to migrate to dnl due to their dislike with the situation they were having in Project Entropia. A couple of our members were in the alpha testing, and almost every member of SoF made it into beta rather quickly.  We had reason for having a guild.  when you are organized in a test, you have more fun in a beta test working together and debugging as a group.  A lot more gets done,  This is what quite a few of us did.  Unlike most guilds to, we also booted people out during the beta testing stages for lack of activity.  the number of people we got in beta that we booted from the guild actually outnumbers the avg member count within the last two years.  Our Original leaders and the first group were close with the devs, there were private conversations between the devs and the guild, developper chats in our own chat room, information releases just to our guild, the first guild to ever get permission to release a promo video of the game, etc.   Once the two original leaders retired from the game for their personal life goals, Strofer and I maintained contact with the devs, not nearly as much as the previous leaders, but we still kept up with them.  it didn't help that my favorite developer to talk to left the company though :/
  • elitwebbelitwebb Member Posts: 342


    Originally posted by holycannoli

    I don't know much about Warhammer the mmorpg or Warhammer the table top game, but I do know it's being developed by Mythic, the same people that brought us DAOC, so it will be a great game.
    Will it be PvP though? And not carebear PvP?


    From the video I have seen of warhammer, it looks like a warhammer mod for WoW.  The graphics are REALLY similar.
  • BurbyBurby Member Posts: 21


    Originally posted by -Inferno-
    One of the oldest and formerly most supportive guilds of DnL has left the game. Strofer has posted the following:


    It is with a heavy heart that I announce the Soldiers of Fortunes' departure from Dark and Light.

    Our Guild has been involved with the game from the outset and had high hopes for it's great success.

    However, things have not turned out as we had hoped and our membership have voted with their feet.

    I, myself, have now cancelled my subscription and bit you all a fond farewell.

    SoF will now move on to pastures new. I hope all those who remain with the game eventually get what they are looking for.

    Goodbye and Good Luck!

    That is another great loss for DnL...


    I really don't think anyone cares.
  • SteveophSteveoph Member Posts: 2
    I didn't know you played daoc pred.  I wasted too much time on that game.  I Still love their RvR system bt I think theres too much timesinks in the game now to go back.  Maybe Warhammer will be right, Vanguard is looking to be too much PvE for me.
    Cheers, Annihalation


  • Are there any good guilds left? And no I dont mean IKs nor Styx's guilds. I mean familiar good large guilds that participated in DNL as well. <shrug> Doesnt seem to matter, the community was so messed up, they had guild wars in the forums! About dang time tho that one of the larger familiar gave up on this. Farlan hasnt a clue.
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