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Why do Senators get told about the cool new stuff first?

MakaneMakane Member Posts: 232
Frankly, that's bullshit. The senators don't pay more than everybody else...they don't do more work...wtf do they do anyway...

STOP KEEPING SHIT SECRET SOE. We deserve more than that for following your shit game for this long. Stop giving your asskissers special treatment.

Just pisses me right off.

I'm out...


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  • Linkman214Linkman214 Member CommonPosts: 91


    Originally posted by Makane
    Frankly, that's bullshit. The senators don't pay more than everybody else...they don't do more work...wtf do they do anyway...

    STOP KEEPING SHIT SECRET SOE. We deserve more than that for following your shit game for this long. Stop giving your asskissers special treatment.

    Just pisses me right off.

    I'm out...


    what can actually be considered "cool" with the NGE?
  • PrecursorPrecursor Member UncommonPosts: 150

    What exactly is cool that they are being told?

    There hasn't been anything "cool" going on in SW:G since release.

    The only cool thing is the talented people that hepled create classic galaxies left SOE and will hopefully learn from mistakes made in the past.

  • maxantomaxanto Member Posts: 778


    Originally posted by Makane
    Frankly, that's bullshit. The senators don't pay more than everybody else...they don't do more work...wtf do they do anyway...

    STOP KEEPING SHIT SECRET SOE. We deserve more than that for following your shit game for this long. Stop giving your asskissers special treatment.

    Just pisses me right off.

    I'm out...




    You have every right to what ever, absurd and poorly educated opinion, you have. However for your own information most of the senators (or wot ever they are called these days) are old SWG Corrs.

    These guys worked their asses off for the player base back when I played. Most wrote lengthy posts on "How To's" or actual manuals for their professions, beyond that mind numbing work they were also the people who did their best to communicate ideas and issues with the devs.

    I would not wish that responcibility on my worst enemy, though I think maybe you (The OP) should try for a second to be in their shoes before making an entire thread dedicated to flaming your fellow players who do nothing but want to help you. If they do get "Secret Information" lol they certianly deserve it more than cry baby whiners, who can only see the grass on the other side of the fence.

    Do you even play the game?
  • ObraikObraik Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 7,261
    I think the chances that the Senators will see a preview of stuff to come was reduced today when the info was leaked within hours of the Senate report being posted :/

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  • maxantomaxanto Member Posts: 778
    Not to mention that people can see the "secret stuff" early if they were to join test center.

  • AthelaAthela Member Posts: 492
    Litmus testing.
  • ReachwindReachwind Member Posts: 275

    I don't know why you are surprised...

    Everyone tells their gf/bf wife/husband when they have some exciting news. Why would SOE be any different?

    Former SWG beta tester and player

  • MrArchyMrArchy Member Posts: 643

    Why do Senators get told about the cool new stuff first?

    Because, in general, the Senators are useless colon-sucking monkeys.  It also gives the Senators who need such the opportunity to powertrip, letting everyone know they're in the know and we aren't (I am excepting a certain poster on these forums from this statement).  It is a useful tool for making sure the Senators continue to toe the company line and endlessly extoll the faux-virtues of the NGE.

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  • Wildcat84Wildcat84 Member Posts: 2,304

    The Senate is their suckup circle jerk focus group.  They are not representative of the player base in any way, because no attempt has been made to make it so, even in the most cursory way.

    Basing anything at all off such a narrow, distorted sample is certain to get wrong answers more than right.

    Which is why I objected to them (not in the terms I did above, but how I just said it is more honest and accurate) and had to be removed from the SOE forums (despite not violating any of their guidelines).

    Think of the Senators (and yellow is the streak they all have down their backs) as those people who say "yes", "greatest idea ever, sir" in those stupid meetings with managers we all have to endure.

    You know what focus group SOE should be using?  The cancel button.  They should adjudge as WRONG everything they've done and how they've done it since the subs started falling for good from 250-300K, and especially from the point it quit growing.  Instead their conclusion keeps somehow being "it's not that we were wrong, it that we didn't do enough of it".






  • FreeJack2000FreeJack2000 Member Posts: 28


    Originally posted by Wildcat84
    The Senate is their suckup circle jerk focus group.  They are not representative of the player base in any way, because no attempt has been made to make it so, even in the most cursory way.

    Basing anything at all off such a narrow, distorted sample is certain to get wrong answers more than right.

    Which is why I objected to them (not in the terms I did above, but how I just said it is more honest and accurate) and had to be removed from the SOE forums (despite not violating any of their guidelines).

    Think of the Senators (and yellow is the streak they all have down their backs) as those people who say "yes", "greatest idea ever, sir" in those stupid meetings with managers we all have to endure.

    You know what focus group SOE should be using?  The cancel button.  They should adjudge as WRONG everything they've done and how they've done it since the subs started falling for good from 250-300K, and especially from the point it quit growing.  Instead their conclusion keeps somehow being "it's not that we were wrong, it that we didn't do enough of it".





       After reading this, I wonder if what I had read somewhere that some of the Senators, Darth_Sushi. Meatpuppet and a few others were in the focus group that brought the NGE upon us. If this is true, are they still using their position, to bring these enhacements on us without real community input.  One example would be this crazy new inventory change, which one of them thought that was so important?   And after Kristen has kept that " burn elder houses down " post on the first few pages for months, what is comming next. How 10 or so people can have the ear of SOE and LA without community support, is beyond me.


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  • ReachwindReachwind Member Posts: 275


    Originally posted by Wildcat84

    Instead their conclusion keeps somehow being "it's not that we were wrong, it that we didn't do enough of it".








    That's it exactly. They have a round hole and keep jamming the same square peg through it.

    "Dude, darth Helios... Just use a hammer to mash it in. They'll fucking love it!"

    "Oh hell yeah!"

    Former SWG beta tester and player

  • jandrsnjandrsn Member Posts: 187

    Me, I never understood why they bothered to call them 'Senators' in the first place.  Who voted for them again?  Oh yeah, no one.  Old corrospondents?  Whoopdeedoo there as well.  Sorry, I'm just not sold on the idea of making some players Starbellies and leaving others out.  Seriously, whatever senators said the NGE was great should be impeached.  Oh yeah, we can't do that, they're not elected, they just posted so many times on a forum that it's assumed they speak for others. 

    Why not call them Dukes and Barons?  At least that title is more fitting of a person who kisses butt to maintain their status quo, even at the cost of the serfs.  These 'senators' remind me more of those sicophantic kids who had to be hall monitors just so they got to be a bit more than a regular student.  Always raising their hands in class, always can speak as the 'voice' of the class...

    Senators, lol, who cares what they do?  If SOE wants to fly them to Austin or Paris or wherever, just so they can smell the latest of Helios' turds, let them.  Doesn't bother me any.  I did have some respect for the old corrs back in the day, back when the job wasn't kissing SOE butt in public.  They had to do a lot of busywork just writing stuff instead of playing the game, but with that job went extra responsibility so that arguement as why we should respect a senator doesnt wash with me either.  Choosing a small unrepresentative group of the playerbase, giving them a title, and expecting them to be leader-material is like choosing officers out of a boot camp by drawing straws; good luck with that.

    I mean, we're all equal right?  Some of us are just a bit more equal than others I guess...

  • Wildcat84Wildcat84 Member Posts: 2,304


    Originally posted by Reachwind

    Originally posted by Wildcat84

    Instead their conclusion keeps somehow being "it's not that we were wrong, it that we didn't do enough of it".







    That's it exactly. They have a round hole and keep jamming the same square peg through it.

    "Dude, darth Helios... Just use a hammer to mash it in. They'll fucking love it!"

    "Oh hell yeah!"


    ROFL.

    SWG's failure is a sad sad story of pride and ego.  Their inability to ever admit to a substantive mistake and then take it back (CUNGE) lost them everything.  Hell, had they done that, no one would have bugged them about the mistake, say, if they'd rolled back to pre-CU a couple weeks after the CU, or back to the CU a couple weeks after NGE.  No, we'd have praised them.

  • Wildcat84Wildcat84 Member Posts: 2,304


    Originally posted by jandrsn

    Me, I never understood why they bothered to call them 'Senators' in the first place.  Who voted for them again?  Oh yeah, no one.  Old corrospondents?  Whoopdeedoo there as well.  Sorry, I'm just not sold on the idea of making some players Starbellies and leaving others out.  Seriously, whatever senators said the NGE was great should be impeached.  Oh yeah, we can't do that, they're not elected, they just posted so many times on a forum that it's assumed they speak for others. 
    Why not call them Dukes and Barons?  At least that title is more fitting of a person who kisses butt to maintain their status quo, even at the cost of the serfs.  These 'senators' remind me more of those sicophantic kids who had to be hall monitors just so they got to be a bit more than a regular student.  Always raising their hands in class, always can speak as the 'voice' of the class...
    Senators, lol, who cares what they do?  If SOE wants to fly them to Austin or Paris or wherever, just so they can smell the latest of Helios' turds, let them.  Doesn't bother me any.  I did have some respect for the old corrs back in the day, back when the job wasn't kissing SOE butt in public.  They had to do a lot of busywork just writing stuff instead of playing the game, but with that job went extra responsibility so that arguement as why we should respect a senator doesnt wash with me either.  Choosing a small unrepresentative group of the playerbase, giving them a title, and expecting them to be leader-material is like choosing officers out of a boot camp by drawing straws; good luck with that.
    I mean, we're all equal right?  Some of us are just a bit more equal than others I guess...


    The name "Senator" (yellow emphasized) is bad because it implies that they are representative of the playerbase and indeed was somehow chosen by us.  The opposite is true, they don't represent us, they were imposed on us, and they aren't accountable to us in any way at all.

    Words mean things.  It's a bad name.  SOE should have called them "player guides" or something.  Hell, even correspondent was better.  But remember NGE was the height of the "everything must be Starwars-Y and Iconic" kick, and correspondent wasn't Starwars-Y or Iconic.

    The real irony is that our "Senate" (yellow emphasized) actually IS rather Starwars-Y and Iconic....  Of Galactic Senator Jar-Jar Binks and Palpatine ;) (irony emphasized), and the thousands of other dupes that bought whatever crock was sold them by someone not acting in their interest at all.





  • ShaydeShayde Member Posts: 4,529
    HAHAHAHAAH

    Yeah.. Jar Jar was a Senator.


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  • Wildcat84Wildcat84 Member Posts: 2,304


    Originally posted by Shayde
    HAHAHAHAAH

    Yeah.. Jar Jar was a Senator.




    Well, Jar Jar Binks (Galactic Senator) is the Starwars-Y Icon that they seem to have used in designing the NGE, comparing it (joke) to the CU and especially pre-CU.

    From here on out all us jaded pre-CU vets should always use bold and piss yellow when writing the name Jar Jar on this forum. :)

  • SpathotanSpathotan Member Posts: 3,928
    Its one of the rewards along with a cool but irrelvent forum title for kissing lots of ass over the years.

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  • Wildcat84Wildcat84 Member Posts: 2,304


    Originally posted by Spathotan
    Its one of the rewards along with a cool but irrelvent forum title for kissing lots of ass over the years.



    Which in the end ends up getting you are chapped lips and a face that smells like someone else's ass.

  • MakaneMakane Member Posts: 232


    Originally posted by maxanto

    Originally posted by Makane
    Frankly, that's bullshit. The senators don't pay more than everybody else...they don't do more work...wtf do they do anyway...

    STOP KEEPING SHIT SECRET SOE. We deserve more than that for following your shit game for this long. Stop giving your asskissers special treatment.

    Just pisses me right off.

    I'm out...



    You have every right to what ever, absurd and poorly educated opinion, you have. However for your own information most of the senators (or wot ever they are called these days) are old SWG Corrs.

    These guys worked their asses off for the player base back when I played. Most wrote lengthy posts on "How To's" or actual manuals for their professions, beyond that mind numbing work they were also the people who did their best to communicate ideas and issues with the devs.

    I would not wish that responcibility on my worst enemy, though I think maybe you (The OP) should try for a second to be in their shoes before making an entire thread dedicated to flaming your fellow players who do nothing but want to help you. If they do get "Secret Information" lol they certianly deserve it more than cry baby whiners, who can only see the grass on the other side of the fence.

    Do you even play the game?


    Hmm, absurd and poorly educated? Just because a guy writes a couple of guides for a game he enjoys playing...he should get to see everything before I do? Most of the old Corros were dicks and everybody knows it (Wepps comes to mind). They only wanted the position to have special status in the community and most did not get anything accomplished besides nerfs.

    Aww, poor corros have it tough...cry me a freaking river. They VOLUNTEERED for that job. BTW, did you walk in their shoes? If no, then how could you possibly know what "hardships" they had to endure.

    SOE should NOT play favorites with their playerbase and you are merely condoning it.
  • Wildcat84Wildcat84 Member Posts: 2,304


    Originally posted by Makane

    Originally posted by maxanto

    Originally posted by Makane
    Frankly, that's bullshit. The senators don't pay more than everybody else...they don't do more work...wtf do they do anyway...

    STOP KEEPING SHIT SECRET SOE. We deserve more than that for following your shit game for this long. Stop giving your asskissers special treatment.

    Just pisses me right off.

    I'm out...



    You have every right to what ever, absurd and poorly educated opinion, you have. However for your own information most of the senators (or wot ever they are called these days) are old SWG Corrs.

    These guys worked their asses off for the player base back when I played. Most wrote lengthy posts on "How To's" or actual manuals for their professions, beyond that mind numbing work they were also the people who did their best to communicate ideas and issues with the devs.

    I would not wish that responcibility on my worst enemy, though I think maybe you (The OP) should try for a second to be in their shoes before making an entire thread dedicated to flaming your fellow players who do nothing but want to help you. If they do get "Secret Information" lol they certianly deserve it more than cry baby whiners, who can only see the grass on the other side of the fence.

    Do you even play the game?


    Hmm, absurd and poorly educated? Just because a guy writes a couple of guides for a game he enjoys playing...he should get to see everything before I do? Most of the old Corros were dicks and everybody knows it (Wepps comes to mind). They only wanted the position to have special status in the community and most did not get anything accomplished besides nerfs.

    Aww, poor corros have it tough...cry me a freaking river. They VOLUNTEERED for that job. BTW, did you walk in their shoes? If no, then how could you possibly know what "hardships" they had to endure.

    SOE should NOT play favorites with their playerbase and you are merely condoning it.



    Any Corro who didn't quit within a few months of the NGE who became a Senator and pushes the Devs BS that they will somehow turn the game's CUNGE induced death spiral around isn't worth your yellow liquid if they were on fire.  The good ones are GONE.

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  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,183


    Originally posted by Wildcat84


    Any Corro who didn't quit within a few months of the NGE who became a Senator and pushes the Devs BS that they will somehow turn the game's CUNGE induced death spiral around isn't worth your yellow liquid if they were on fire.  The good ones are GONE.

    SonGouki
    Tanks
    Auraboron
    Okram2K
    and others.



    Let me ask you a question , Out of boredom tonight . I was looking through some regular posters here , SWG post history . Atleast the ones I know names of .Out of all the people  ,Why was yours the most hostile ? From early 05 where it began , Up until the last post in 06 you had one long ass rant LOL .

    Issues I noticed you being the most outspoken on were TEF's and seemed to have a hardy stance against such a system . Bounty hunters , Same faction hunting , PVP in general , DOts. These are the few things that stand out anyway . I also noticed you were quite pissed about balance issues pre-cu .

    The only thing I really saw you praise was the removal of tefs .

    Well my question is what version of SWG , Did you ever really stand behind ? I don't mean my question in a flaming manner , All I seek is a little understanding . I just found your demanor rather hateful , Which I can respect . You definitely kept your intentions on focus  . I also agree there was a lot wrong with swg for its entire span   .

    I just find your actions on forums and your actions in game totally opposite . In game you always seemed to be enjoying yourself . And seemed pretty dedicated to what you were doing . Yet on forums as I said you are like Denis Leary lol .

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  • TemploiterTemploiter Member Posts: 127
    Heh, if you are bored, do a user search on Temploiter on the SWG forums.  I RP'd a 1337 kid and yelled at people.  Never got a ban.  They were a little less strict back then.

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  • Agricola1Agricola1 Member UncommonPosts: 4,977

    Senators are used by SOE, so when they have to announce something crappy guess who gets to announce it? Either that or the dev that's going to be in the dog house this month, until next month when he gets to play good dev.

    My SWG forum name was Agricola1 too. Until they banned me.

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