6 months of reading up , now I will post,shame 60% posters dont do the same.

kruler

Nothing amazes me more than people making massive swooping statements and yet clearly know jack..Dam I feel better getting that off my chest...I along with many many friends both real life and ones from around the world met playing eq1 and 2 are all very very intrested in Vanguard , and yes all of us raised eyebrows at the SoE thing to start with , and there was a few that threw teddies into the air and ran screaming with arms in the air before diving under their beds screaming 'we,re all F-ing doomed' ...

But in time and lots of internal debate we settled on this , vanguard comes out we subscriped either to 1 month or 3 month block , review the game and either renew subcription or and this is the amazing part we stop it thus voting in a well informed and EDUCATED manner.. That is freedom of choice, to flame something because of a connection to a company that and lets be fair has done some real stupid arroggent things , that connection at moment is purely to ship,PR and allow the game to run on their servers a service that sigil will pay SOE for , your subscription money pays directly to Sigil , through a payment service , yet again if at any point that I see SoE involment with Vanguard increase I will tell you now I will hit the cancel subscricption button so fast i will need a new keyboard , but to lead a campaign of hate based on the facts to hand is showing a level of naivity that that even this old cynic finds shocking ...

     Alot of people are hoping this game and yes it is a GAME , inculding myself will be everything that Brad has said it will be , and he is apparently stubborn enough to do it in time so myself and a fair crowd of diehards will give this ago .

Tamalan

Welcome to MMORPG.com!

Nice post

Lathial

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Originally posted by kruler

Nothing amazes me more than people making massive swooping statements and yet clearly know jack..Dam I feel better getting that off my chest...I along with many many friends both real life and ones from around the world met playing eq1 and 2 are all very very intrested in Vanguard , and yes all of us raised eyebrows at the SoE thing to start with , and there was a few that threw teddies into the air and ran screaming with arms in the air before diving under their beds screaming 'we,re all F-ing doomed' ...
But in time and lots of internal debate we settled on this , vanguard comes out we subscriped either to 1 month or 3 month block , review the game and either renew subcription or and this is the amazing part we stop it thus voting in a well informed and EDUCATED manner.. That is freedom of choice, to flame something because of a connection to a company that and lets be fair has done some real stupid arroggent things , that connection at moment is purely to ship,PR and allow the game to run on their servers a service that sigil will pay SOE for , your subscription money pays directly to Sigil , through a payment service , yet again if at any point that I see SoE involment with Vanguard increase I will tell you now I will hit the cancel subscricption button so fast i will need a new keyboard , but to lead a campaign of hate based on the facts to hand is showing a level of naivity that that even this old cynic finds shocking ...
     Alot of people are hoping this game and yes it is a GAME , inculding myself will be everything that Brad has said it will be , and he is apparently stubborn enough to do it in time so myself and a fair crowd of diehards will give this ago .

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QFT-

I'm buying this game- just for the possibility that it will hold me like eq1 did years and years ago.  Like you, my friends from UO went to EQ1 and we made bunches of new friends- we all want something to dig our teeth into.

Who knows, I just hope this game comes out when im not busy with grad school- seems like games always come out when im busy as hell- then I fight with myself over priorities lol.

Lath

MX13

Noob... I've been reading up & following the game for over a year now...

You < Me.... PWNED!!!!  I'm the MOON MASTER!!!

j/k ICYHTA

Novalar

Good post - I expect the trolls to be out in force soon!

I am looking forward to this game - maybe I am lucky having never played EQ at all.  I also think that people should give a game a minimum of 3 months.  WoW had a lot of technical issues on release and was a lot better after 3 months (though I do not play it anymore - lost interest in it). 

Suitepee

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Originally posted by kruler

and yes all of us raised eyebrows at the SoE thing to start with , and there was a few that threw teddies into the air and ran screaming with arms in the air before diving under their beds screaming 'we,re all F-ing doomed' ...

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Just for that alone,QFT.

Trubaduren

Yeah, I hope SOE will stay on the financial stage.

SoE payment service pwns though, never had any problems

But SoE developements sucks.

Unknown

Sony will force you to use memory sticks to play the game!

DoomMystic

I will be giving it a go and so will lots of my friends, but we all agree that is SOE get more involved we will most likely pull the plug..... I hope this will be everything its promised to be as we will have something we can set our teeth into again.

Mystic

Povey151

i've played the beta...its eq2 with better graphics...and before you tell me to go read up before i post


IVE PLAYED THE GAME I DONT NEED TO READ UP ON IT!!!!! I KNOW WTF IT IS LIKE....YOU DONT...DONT TELL ME I NEED TO READ UP

EliasThorne

Grow up!

sublime4u200

WOW Povey151 I don't think that post was made to personally flame you.  I believe it was truley meant for those who are making broad unresearched and uneducated statements.  If you are playing the Beta then you obviously have some knowledge and are not typically making uneducated posts.  Just a thought.

SpiritofGame

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Originally posted by Povey151
i've played the beta...its eq2 with better graphics...

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In case you missed the other "gems of simplistic definition" according to Povey151....

~ Godfather, Part II:  Godfather, Part I, but with other actors

~ World War II:  WWI with newer weapons and more guys

~ Second Coming of Christ:  same guy with better graphics

Heh, k, right.

sly220

kewl im glad its like EQ2 now got a question is it EQ2 befor the upgrade that changed the battling or is it the new just so i can either order or forget about the game forever just a question

Povey151

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Originally posted by sublime4u200

WOW Povey151 I don't think that post was made to personally flame you.  I believe it was truley meant for those who are making broad unresearched and uneducated statements.  If you are playing the Beta then you obviously have some knowledge and are not typically making uneducated posts.  Just a thought.

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the thing is that i've seen multiple people post that they are in beta and they post this stuff. and then someone comes up and tells them that they havent read it...i mean...they will actually quote the part about them playing it and say they obviously dont know anything about the game and that if the OP had read it like they had then they'd know it wasnt how the op said it was.

Povey151

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Originally posted by SpiritofGame

Originally posted by Povey151
i've played the beta...its eq2 with better graphics...

In case you missed the other "gems of simplistic definition" according to Povey151....

~ Godfather, Part II:  Godfather, Part I, but with other actors

~ World War II:  WWI with newer weapons and more guys

~ Second Coming of Christ:  same guy with better graphics

Heh, k, right.

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unfortunately for your logic this isnt eq 3 this is supposed to be something completely different..........

u missed with your shot at witty logic....but yeah....nice try though..that christ thing was funny

mike3486

ok ok ok ok ive heard its eq2 with better graphics BUT.....heres what i think....the main things that ruined EQ2 for me.

1. the Invisible Walls - how if you got to a little hill or you were in a small type of canyon and you couldnt walk/run over it....but you knew it was possible.  that crap pissed me off...and made the game feel very linear.  o lets not forget how i could swim about 10 yards out and magically i cant go swim any farther.  psshhh....i remember in EQ1 i fell off the but hehe and i just started swimming not knowing where i was...but it was so exciting...and i saw land, i was so excited i was like YESSS...then all of a sudden a shark apears and starts attacking me...i died...but it was FUN.  why get rid of that free world feeling?

2. Zones - Now i grew up with zones so its not a HUGE deal to me but i still feel that that they could have tried to make better solution then that.

3. Race Citys - they crammed half the races in ONE city, and the Other half in the Other city.  now lets screw the Lore for a second.  that was a dumb idea.  i mean i lost all feeling of my race being unique or cool because my race only had like ONE block of the city.  not only that but i could go right next door and see the other race.  that makes the game feel very cheap.  they should have had there Own city each race.  Example. eq1.

4. Transportation - you click on a Bell...../sigh...i mean come on....you click on a bell...and pick a place to go....boom your there after loading screen of course....i mean...wow....wheres the fun in that?  wheres the fun in just teleporting to some place....it should be about exploring and adventuring. 

ok now im sure there are more bad things about that game but those are my 4 MAIN major hates of that game...the things that made me really not like that game....so now lets look at  Vanguard.....

1. invisble walls - slim to NONE....they say if you can see it...you can probly go there....and if you cant its probly cause its for flying mounts to be able to get up there...like a special area

2. Zones - NONE all one huge world.

3. Race citys - havent seen much on that but so far we know that theres like what three major continents? so atleast we no that there wont be just two stupid citys.

4. transportation - they said that they dont really want to use a teleporting system... wich is good in my opinion..... although they are using a gate system wich is understandable and completey fine....you have all sorts of mounts for transportation and Boats...no more click on the dumb bell...thank god......

so....these 4 MAJOR things to ME dont seem to be a problem in vanguard what so ever....so when i hear ppl like you say its like eq2...i really dont get it at all...doesnt seem like it to me...and as long as those 4 things are the way they are and nothing like EQ2 then i cant agree with you that Vanguard is like EQ2.   thanks for your time lol .

grinreaper

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Originally posted by Povey151

Originally posted by SpiritofGame

Originally posted by Povey151
i've played the beta...its eq2 with better graphics...

In case you missed the other "gems of simplistic definition" according to Povey151....

~ Godfather, Part II:  Godfather, Part I, but with other actors

~ World War II:  WWI with newer weapons and more guys

~ Second Coming of Christ:  same guy with better graphics

Heh, k, right.

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unfortunately for your logic this isnt eq 3 this is supposed to be something completely different..........

u missed with your shot at witty logic....but yeah....nice try though..that christ thing was funny

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Actually, considering who is making it you would have to be quite the dumbass to think that it isnt going to at least smell like EQ3.

bverji

eh...you lost any credibility with me as soon as you said you played EQ 2 long enough to make freinds.

bverji

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Originally posted by mike3486

ok ok ok ok ive heard its eq2 with better graphics BUT.....heres what i think....the main things that ruined EQ2 for me.

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The thing that killed EQ2 for me is that it wasn't ready for release and they where still redoing the newbie zones and classes a year later. They rushed the crap out and charged peope for their beta just like they have done with every other game and will push for ERe, I mean vanguard to do as well.

Born

here's some thoughts...

the game isn't revolutionary let alone evolutionary.  it's EQ1.5, that is it's like EQ2 backed down a bit back towards the tedious frustrating game mechanics of old EQ.

SOE's arrogance is well matched by brad mcquaid's.  between the two of them the user community isn't likely to get much love.

the class decsriptions are a bit worrysome in that most of them seem to define hybred functions.  i'm pretty sure they will be balancing their classes for years to come.  and users will be whining and crying NERF during the whole bloody process.

I'm pretty sure I'm going to pass on this game.

EliasThorne

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Originally posted by mike3486

1. the Invisible Walls - how if you got to a little hill or you were in a small type of canyon and you couldnt walk/run over it....but you knew it was possible.  that crap pissed me off...and made the game feel very linear.  o lets not forget how i could swim about 10 yards out and magically i cant go swim any farther.  psshhh....i remember in EQ1 i fell off the but hehe and i just started swimming not knowing where i was...but it was so exciting...and i saw land, i was so excited i was like YESSS...then all of a sudden a shark apears and starts attacking me...i died...but it was FUN.  why get rid of that free world feeling?

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Somewhat off topic but this is why I cannot play guild wars despite liking almost everything else about it

n2sooners

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Originally posted by Born


I'm pretty sure I'm going to pass on this game.

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And I am pretty sure that no matter how little interest you have in actually playing the game that you (and others like you) will continue to post your misinformation and hatred of the game for months to come.

Axeion

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Originally posted by Trubaduren
Yeah, I hope SOE will stay on the financial stage.

SoE payment service pwns though, never had any problems

But SoE developements sucks.

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Err umm SoE payment service is why i will not be playing this game.6th year subscription "bug" afected many eq players some were charged higher rates "acidently" many acounts were closed an it was a known problem for many months.took 2 months an legal action to get the ball moveing ot fix it.

I was looking forward to seeing an playing vanguard .Actualy been reading about it back when T.King was doing ui work for sigil .

TommyKHart

I havn't played the beta but i can tell you now that theres one huge difference between vg and eq2. That is travel. I hope and expect that there will be a big differnce as you will have many different races with there own towns and culture to give the game a worldly feel. Eq2 didn't have this

Sry but if you think eq2 and vanguard are the same then you must think smarties are the same as rolos.  There are huge difference between these games.

I'm not gonna list everything because i don't have the time but here are a few differences.

No instant travel. More then 2 starting cities, no instancing, region markets, harsh death penalties.

I but if it had a cartoon look you would say its like wow. It's a mmo, it will be simiular to other mmos.

jimmyman99

How can you compare something that is not finished to something that is finished and released for a long time? VSOH is not out yet, anything that it HAS or DOESNT HAVE may or may not change a little or a lot. We can talk in VERY VERY general terms. Lets wait till open beta, or stress test befre the release, thats when the game will be closest to its release form. Right now its closed beta, a lot of things are there for the testing purposes only, which means they will be tweaked or completely changed by release... or left alone as they are. Who knows what will stay or what will not.

 Everything is speculation at this point.