I've been playing WoW casually since release. I have two lvl 60's a lvl 46, and several characters under lvl 30. My highest teir raiding has been a couple times into MC with one character, the other 60 isn't even keyed there.
Heck I went into Scholomance for the first time (with any character) three days ago, with one other person, and we soloed some of the entry and found out that you get 5 faction with Argent Dawn per kill there, even when your faction is too high to get it from outdoor kills It's still too slow for faction grinding though, without a full group.
If you are a casual gamer and you can't raid, then do faction work. Is your Timbermaw faction exalted? What about your Booty Bay faction? Bloodsail pirates Faction? Some factions have some very nice things available - some of the Timbermaw equipment is very nice, even if it's not T3 raiding gear. A casual pvper can eventually get access to some very nice factional equipment without ever setting foot into a raid instance.
Do I think WoW is perfect? No, definitely not. Does it have most of it's bases covered? Yes. More different styles of play actually work in WoW than in any other mmo I have played, and I've played a LOT of MMO's over the years.
Originally posted by achesoma So who is in the lead on this site for the most hated MMO?
Finaly a good editorial and right on the spot, i can on laugh at people reactions that state the played for a year or even 2 years and they claim the game sucks, i mean how dumb can you be to be able to play a game for more then a year and say the game is stupid. Wow isn't my 1st MMO but it is my 1st MMO i made it to lvl cap 60, you may say oh thats easy and sonme may say that can be done in a month but to be honost people that say that are for me people that arn't real gamers as real gamers explore the world, make friends do not neccecary follow the gamepath but have their own fantasy on how to behave in the world, If i go out for some hunting i go out for some hunting and i do not go out for the grind, that word doesn't even excist for me really, same thing for the word Twink, unless it means being jalouse at a low lvl for his gear, i mean comm'n people screaming on RPG realms that some are twinks, people like that should leave the game cause twinks should be seen as family members as i see my character as one famlily meeting other family's, i do agree that at some point its hard to know if the so called twink is a person that worked very hard with a high lvl to gain some gold to spend on his lower lvl char. or if it is some goldbuying idiot , in that way i think the biggest bug in WOW is goldsellers/goldsellingsites/goldellingspammers. And something i also find wierd is people say that they find WOW boring, again i would ask them who is holding the 9mm against your head to force you to play??, for me its the other way around when i feel borred i going to play WOW cause i just can not get borred in it, and may i feel that one of my family members isn't worth playing at that moment i got more members in the famliy(Other character) to choose from or simply yet leave the realm and get back into the real world.
If you reach the point of bordem in a game you know that that game has taken full control over your real life else why would you hop into a game that is boring. Think about this the next time anyone say's he's boring in a game !! Junky's will say the same thing about drugs "do not use it cause it is bad" but they contineu using drugs
And now my qoute,
Bit dumb to make a statement for a game that surpassed 6 mill. subs
SWG could have been the king of them all untill they made into a Counterstrike online game for Jedi's, true it needed somewhat of more of a storyline especialy knowing the rich history from the movies the game had, but being able to creat city's, play rpg with non combat classes, pickup any of the 16 classes wich really gave you the feel of being in the SW world, and that's what SWG really was , it was more a world you could do almost everything possible in then it was a game, yes it had lots of bugs to bad they kept developing new stuff instead of fixing bugs first.
yup this nowhere close the amount of heroin addicts., but not all drug addicts use heroin, only 6 million are meth freaks, 10 mill are crack heads, .......
Well, I am happy for Steve that he found his MMO. As much as I probably agreed with him while I was still active in WoW, I got sucked into the viscous raid circle - and that is nothing you can call casual (be there at exactly 8 pm or you can't join, then we will be there for 5 hours and you can not get any loot since you don't have dkp....) and the looking for group thing is in wow just as problematic if you want to advance your character/quests.
e.g. LFG to Mauraudon - am Warlock. sorry, we don't want warlock, we need priest, warrior, pally, druid. bye or
LFG to DME - am class XXXX silence silence one person whispers wait 20 minutes, repeat LFG message on all channels, get hammered for spamming... 30 minutes, 2 people only, great, there goes my evening of fun playing.....
also, if you don't have tons of rl friends or are a hardcore rpg-er, i don't see what you can do there after 2 years??? sure, swg is boring as hell, but with housing and the crafting system, you have a reason to hang out (especially alone, if that is what you want).
Basically you are one of three types of player: 1) Casual....this means that you log in once in a while, a few times a week. You play with some friends, you go exploring. You screw around near the bank, and have fun most of the time. 2) Mid-level: You can screw around and try on dresses and be silly, but you can easily jump into a dungeon and you have a few pieces of fancy armor. Both one and two do not play these games JUST to get the best stuff, they play to have fun, to be social, and to sometimes get obsessed. 3) Nuts: This type is the guy that has his full sets of nice armor, the uber sword, and the guy that constantly yells at the rest of the players in the BG that they are all "a bunch of f'in noobs" Don't get me wrong, I have met tons of these guys that are really cool people, that are very friendly and very forgiving to those of us that are there to have fun and not just to collect. My own brother has 7 lvl 60's now, but he still can sit down and goof off with me and my wife in the AH. You know what type you are. And the point made by the poster above is valid: whay make fun of a game and talk about how horrible it was after you played it for a year? What happens to players like that is that they rush and rush till the end and then grit thier teeth in frustration when the entire group they are in is full of players like them. And please do not compare most MMO's to WoW. It works well, feels nice, flows well, has a fun story, and nice controls. There is a reason that a lot of MMO's are taking cues from WoW now. There are only a few real good games out there, like Eve, but that number can be counted on one hand. I have played around 40 games, was paying for 6 at one time, and WoW is one of the best. If you are mad because you spend all night trying to get a group, then I say to you that WoW is about the easiest game to find groups in, and will only get easier. The players that are affected the most by the lack of a good group are those guys that only want to raid and raid and raid, so that they can get that super cool piece of armor. Try finding a group in FFXI, or in EQ2...you'll see.
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Originally posted by Hagrin All i see here is a bunch of whiney players that failed at wow but claimed they did it all...
wow still is the best mmo out there hands down in overall, sorry but all the other mmo's just suck too much... they are sooo alike, man they even use the same engines lol...
a casual player is not a player that plays for leveling ok? its a player that sets a goal and gets to it at his pace, so you are all wrong saying that you need to level to be casual...
raiding is the best way to gear ur char to the max... once you REALLT, TRULLY gear ur char to the max u WILL see a diference... all you guys that claim to have done it all its all BS, cause if you did you woulndt have quit... its too much fun seing how others fall at ur feet in pvp or gawk at you when ur messing arroung in IF etc... So dont give me that crap that you did it al LOL... you probably just had like some tier 1 and a couple of tier 2 lol...
the expansion IS all its hyped up, im in BETA and it will make everyone love the game even more... thats all i can tell you...
so to all you wow haters/failers please post somewhere else, dont try to bring the rest of us millions (way more than any other game) subscribers down, it aint gona work...
Hagrin
dear madam, wow was made for you.
GBTW is something you see in every non-wow game/forum around. that acronym was created for a reason.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
Originally posted by Mrbloodworth After two years of "casual" play, whats your level?
And what is your definition of casual?
It may well be closer to a realistic definition of casual than is used by 95% of people on the WoW forums. I get the impression he logs in for an hour or two maybe a couple times per week.
A lot of the people that call themselves casual are actually not casual at all, they are non-raiders. They are people that play regularly but only solo or in up to 5 man groups. These people have a lack of content after a couple months at 60.
WoW does a great job in general keeping hardcore raiders, pvp types, and true casuals happy. It is the non-raiding players that are on 10+ hours per week that have the biggest problems.
I seriously don't get it. EQ is the one game that kept me going for the longest time ever. 4 years in total as a matter of fact. I gave WoW a chance, and I must admit it had me going for the first 6-8 months but after that, it gradually became more and more repetitive and .. Boring. Yes, I was actually bored when I played the game (don't ask why I even did it), I've never felt that when playing a video game, but I guess that ain't really the point. The thing about WoW is probably just that it really turns to the more casual kind of people with easier-to-obtain elite equipment and raid instances that didn't take very much effort to accomplish in a succesful manner, at least in comparison to the more 'hardcore' games like UO and EQ, no offense.
WoW is a well polished game with a seamless world and tons of stuff to do, not to mention a big community to boot. The community ranges from your selfish immature brat to the mature and helpfull player. If you can't find a guild to suit you in this game, then you aren't looking hard enough. So why is it this game doesn't appeal to me beyond that?
Well it is simple. If I wanted to play solo, I would pick up a single player RPG. MMO's are made to be played in groups. They always advertised it as such on the back of the box. At least they did in my DAoC days. If I am so pressed by time, where I can't group in an MMO that night, wouldn't my time be better served playing a single player RPG that night and play the MMO later when I do have the time? The quests are not that good and are MMO quality quests, which means they are fetch this and that or deliver this or that missions. Why would a person want to solo those when they could go on a single player Epic quest on a offline game?
If the quests were fun, then doing quests all the way to 60 would be cool. I am the type of person who would rather group up and go grind for an hour or so. It is more fun to me to be out there with a group of people just killing stuff. That is what I loved about DAoC and that is what got me hooked to MMORPG's 4 years ago. Now the market has shifted and soloing is the preffered method, forcing people like me out the back door.
I believe that people who complain about not being able to find a group are not trying hard enough. If you are playing a popular game and are just grinding, and grouping is the best xp, then you will always find somebody to group with. I never had trouble grouping when DAoC first came out. All classes must be viable, grouping must yeild faster xp, and there must be a healthy sized population for grouping to work. But when you have those things, it is more fun than running a Fed Ex mission by yourself. Intermingle some Epic sized and quality quests in your game here and there and you've got yourself a great MMO in my opinion.
I play WoW now, because every other decent game out there has a very small community, and most games out there have caught the soloers plague. A small community mixed with people who prefer to solo is a bad game when you want to group. So I play WoW where it is easy to find other RPers, good guilds who conduct RPing events and at least I can group for all the instance content out there.
I loved WoW when I played it, and someday I hope to be back. But I have always been a semi casual player and never been into raiding even in my years playing EQ. I don't find waiting in a huge line and 40+ people killing 1-3 things at a time fun. If Blizzard offered people the option of spending more money and allowing you to buy the end game equipment I'd reactivate my account in seconds. Many other Asian-type/developed mmos do this and it is something Blizzard could do to make even more casual gamers want to stay. Alas, I will never, ever have end game equipment, which ironically you have to have to pvp at end game or you will be out classed 80%+ of the time.
I think WoW is very unique in what it has brought to the mmo field and feel that, as someone who likes to RP, it offers a nice place to be. RP is a dying thing for gamers like me though. Wish had hope, Horizons I once believed could have taken it all the way...but both are finished.
Originally posted by Qmire Wow was fun while it lasted but when you have done as good as everything possible, with only the end game instances left (cleared most of them along with couple of naxx bosses) you just run into a boring rince and repeat. I think wow is first hitting the "boring" sign now, as expansion is closing in, which might be overhyped, people expecting things to renew thier love but wow can no longer give what i want, because for a year i was nothing more than a raidslave, seing it as the only progression left, there are no skill point system or hard to hit lvl, which i somehow didn't fond before but now i see the reason. When you realize that the items you gather might make you think you got stronger it's only marginal, many if not most are stuck in it, with all the addons it's no wonder that 30 bonus overall dps could make you thrill for some time. Many people play just because thier friends does and in their guilds. I remember when i started wow, it would have nothing to do with some pranky huge guild just me and friends having fun for many months it was like that but then people started venturing into MC, as interesting it all was it was the beginning of the end. Now i'm sorta looking for a mmo that grants progression without having the game controle when you have to play instead of you just playing when you feel like it. I am all in all looking for a game where you do not achieve max lvl within few weeks but a game with constant progression, a game where it's not the 40-man dungeon or monster that decides "you're progressing for an item" but instead you can go into an instance 8 months after and be there because you still are far from max lvl but there's things to be found there and most importantly of all, you will be there with close friends of 3 or 5. What game can give that sort of feeling? the ability to solo throughout, yet still instancefun with friends for glory, xp, and treasure, with a spice of action and bloody mess? Age of Conan or 2Moons? Only time will tell but one thing is for sure, WoW seems dead to me and looks like just another heavy guild raiding game, as EQI-II looked like, now.
In short: Wow still casual? don't make me laugh, it's just how good they can keep that thought of denial alive, which makes people continue to play. As soon you hit lvl 60 it all changes, 1-59 is the only casual solo play. Regards- a player, who played wow from open beta and throughout retail till a couple months ago.
I thought like you with the exception of wanting solo play and I stumbled across Lineage II. Lineage II is the only game that I know of that will still have you progressing after 8 months. You can solo or group in the game. It will take you forever to level, grinding in that game blows, there is open PvP with strict rules for the griefers, and there are clan or siege wars as you advance in level. You might like the game.
I thought like you with the exception of wanting solo play and I stumbled across Lineage II. Lineage II is the only game that I know of that will still have you progressing after 8 months. You can solo or group in the game. It will take you forever to level, grinding in that game blows, there is open PvP with strict rules for the griefers, and there are clan or siege wars as you advance in level. You might like the game.
I do enjoy playing in groups but for the most part i play solo, have not really raid much have done a few battlegrounds, almost made it fully into SM :P but i think its safe to say i kinda sol'd to lvl 60 for about 89%, the good thing i really like in WOW THERE IS NO ENDGAME!!(for me) haha needed to state this in caps cause i do not understand people constantly saying that at lvl 60 i also did it in near 6 months , afcourse if i wasn't a real gamer i could have done it in a month or maybe 2, but i think alott of real gamers would agree that playing a MMO and rush into lvl 60 is far from actual being a gamer, how many wanna-be gamers ask at low lvl to get a high lvl to escort them in some cave/quest/dungeon, i do wonder why people like that even take the time to get in a game like WOW as they totaly do not understand gaming it seems, or those that ask at lvl 30 if someone could lend them 10silver, all this shows some people really can not game or play MMOrpg.
All those things like dungeons,raids ect i still can look forward too in time and when i have and want to make the time for just that, thats the whole meaning of a MMO there is no rush, no timelimit, afcourse those with excuses like " my friends get higher lvl 'd and i want to keep up, those that buy gold from the net,those that want a +10 there own lvl to help them,those that beg for money ingame, those that are bored ingame are still those that can not and will never be gamers in my opinion.
Wow is like many already stated not perfect but from all the MMOrpg's i played over the years it gets damn close to be just perfect, other MMOrpg might have better story lines, pvp but from most of them lack hugh in same way iether gameplay, game mechanics or visuals, WOW got it all right, though some may disagree the cartoony look, but al is in place and works how it should work, why you think so many people like to jump, this might seem silly to some but i think its because its the most accurate jumping i ever seen in a MMO, and accurate little details like this is what make or breaks a game, if its not there the game will not succide,if its there....well we all know numbers playing that game
The editorial seems a bit out of place. Many of what was said was true several months ago, but slowly WoW is becoming World of Raidcraft. Blizzard seems to be listening to the vocal minority and adding more raiding/grinding content as The Fun Thing To Do at Sixty.
With the AQ War patch they added "casual" quests so people who couldn't (or wouldn't) raid could upgrade their blue dungeon set armors. The quest line was a joke as forking up 100's of gold and getting crafting items from every profession is hardly something a casual player would be able to do. After forking up 100g, an arcanite converter, eternal essence and uh something else (forget offhand) all you have to show for it is ... a bracer?? Not casual at all Mr Blizzard Dev.
Not to mention I am confident that much of the 7+ million subscribers aren't players but the Gold Farmers Inc. This website, plus countless others, have buy WoW gold ads so there must be a large number of "employees" supplying said gold. I've seen many news reports, online and on TV, that show workers sitting around an "office" but they aren't working on spreadsheets they are playing WoW for gold farming.
Horde paladins and Alliance shamans was also a lazy way of creating a "new" class in the expansion without having to design one. They now made the differences between the two factions cosmetic.
As a leader of what was once the premier raiding guild on my server during our stay in WoW, I have to say I completely disagree with almost everything this writer says for many of the reasons previously stated. He simply lacks credibility given his previous MMO experience to be taken seriously. I think that anyone who has played a lot of games in this genre knows who spot wrong this guy is, and how he is given a front page editorial on a site that specializes in MMORPGs is beyond my comprehension.
Most of the various types of gameplays he says this WoW caters to are hardly viable and laughable when compared to this games predicessors. Anyone who is playing for PvP has obvioudly never played a serious PvP MMO at any length ala DAOC. The raiding is a serious badly conceived gimmicky bosses which has more to do with know the bosses 47 little tricks and finding out the 1 way the devs left open to win the encounter. The Burning Crusade does absolutely nothing to remedy the over instancing PvP, which continues to suck what remaining life there is on the old overworld, nor does it remeedy the fact the games instances / raids lose their luster rather quickly when you are running the same one 2 times a week for 34 weeks trying to get that special item or enough rep grounded out.
I thought like you with the exception of wanting solo play and I stumbled across Lineage II. Lineage II is the only game that I know of that will still have you progressing after 8 months. You can solo or group in the game. It will take you forever to level, grinding in that game blows, there is open PvP with strict rules for the griefers, and there are clan or siege wars as you advance in level. You might like the game.
I've tried lineage in the past, whether or not it has changed for the better is not of knowing but there are indeed things in wow i want to see in other mmorpgs and that's the vast content, i've tried games that were alot more amazing in action and decent pace but lacked the content wow has.
I am prolly never gonna find my game but if the mmorpg producers take some of the good things from wow and make it more complex along with adding more controle around it they might very well succed, they might not get as many subs as wow, since it wouldn't be as easy ect. but it would atleast serve as a nice game towards the right circle.
Wow made you feel a sorta constant progress, untill you hit 60, if another game can keep it going like that´, with a lvl cap of 150 or whatever which takes ages to get but yet make people feel constant progress in other forms than just exp and items, then we are on the right step. In other words there needs to be some sort of constant progress through items being swapped for better and "smoother looking" along with lvl'in and new abilities or combos and alike, at last there needs to be a third where wow has tradeskills ect. but it also ended at almost same pace as lvl 60. Don't forget a nice amount of content with places that doesn't look like the other one, with a story of it's own, along with thier villains and demons alike, and ofc. an instance where you can venture for the unknowing with your friends with hectic battles and fast paced, yet long fights, with it's own tale to tell. I am asking for the impossible, i know.
level - item - skillpoint/tradeskills/finetuning, as soon one drops off the game goes down hill.
But in the end, it doesn't matter how cool your blazer and jeans where last year, it won't be as fancy as it was, there always have to be some changes that makes it feel new and fresh.
WoW as simple it was, it was solid, it had peaks, and a little new but i was only in love with the game when it was 1-60 along with the valor and bluegear days, the rest was just wowcrack.
Age of Conan and 2Moons, conan got it's great old myth and legends with it's combat system of nice realtime combat and good load of controle, not to forget it's bloody and brutal world it is. 2moons is as bloody and brutal as Age of conan with it's own special and fast combat system with cutting and decapitating finishers, not to forget it implementing instance system. Their combat only is more complex and advanced than wow, makes them just that much interesting... i always hated seing how a 3.7 speed weapon could look so awful stupid and boring. Which goes over to another game that had a nice amount of action and decent pace of even 2hander weapons, RyL1, it just lacked content, such a shame cause it had potential.
Everyone should think of all the games that have released recently. How many of them actually work and/or have decent content and little bugs? Not many. For example dark and light, mourning, archlord, and even non MMOs are infested with bugs like Neverwinter Nights 2 or The Guild 2.
I got this one game called Stronghold 2 that was simply unplayable. I like WoW and Blizzard because every game ive gotten from them has worked. Not to mention they always have great online with battle.net. Most games have about 1 or 2 games max on their game list a month after release.
I predict the next great MMO will be Blizzard made and im not even a fanboy. Thats just the pattern I see things going in these days. Devs need to start making a solid game without problems before they start adding the fluff on their games. Give me a game that works! Is that really so much to ask for?
Let me add that I hate when devs say: We will add this feature after release. Which has always been a load of bullsh*t. Either add it in before release or dont put the feature up. The question I want to start seeing in a FAQ is "Does this game work and have solid content?"
Originally posted by Ponzini Let me add that I hate when devs say: We will add this feature after release. Which has always been a load of bullsh*t. Either add it in before release or dont put the feature up. The question I want to start seeing in a FAQ is "Does this game work and have solid content?"
But WOW is the best example for adding stuff later. each high lvl instance was added after the release. the Honor system, too.
Originally posted by cowiie Originally posted by Ponzini Let me add that I hate when devs say: We will add this feature after release. Which has always been a load of bullsh*t. Either add it in before release or dont put the feature up. The question I want to start seeing in a FAQ is "Does this game work and have solid content?"
But WOW is the best example for adding stuff later. each high lvl instance was added after the release. the Honor system, too. So where are those heros classes we were promised would be in right after launch? It's a shame, if they actually stopped trying to sweep their promises under the rug hoping we'd forget about them, the game might have turned out to have a lot more depth and options for advancement.
I don't see how you can say WoW is so attention grabbing after 3 weeks you can grind any class to 60 and ooo there went half the game. WoW is a simplistic EQ knock off that offers no real challange. The game world is one of the smallest out there, the community is mostly whiney pvp griefing children, the Only thing WoW has is graphics which a certian level of gamer cares about, i care about quality game content and immersive gameplay and WoW seems to be severly allergic to both....
EQ was a fantastic game that suffered from a change of company and of game ideas. WoW is simply a pretty filler till a really good game is released.
Steve Wilson sorry dude but WoW really suxx its really boring gane "exept pvp"but for 3 months was bored from it,every night dumb raids after this go pvp whit twink or alts leveling dont know was boring from me can see anything i that game that can keep my attention on that game anymore!!!
"three days with Ultima Online"OMG dont have what to say , i am shure that most of the old players will agree that you was best gameplay ever if you look more deeper!!
WoW is the best at what it's doing atm. Don't know how things will go from here, but for now ppl can say what they want about it, it's still a big success. The only game that I play and see as something different is EVE, but it has a certain class of players it aims for. Beside that as was said there is no game that can challenge WoW now.
For the ones that "thank WoW for keeping these kind of players out of their game", STOP THINKING YOUR SO SMART AND WOW IS FOR IDIOTS. Think your the kiddies that think of themselves as UBER.
And for the ones that say a player won't respec when he hits 60, because he wants to DPS altho he has another meaning, it means you haven't played the game for more then an year.
I max ranked a char, but am not too much into PvP so won't enter that topic. I'd rather raid. I want my char to get better abd better gear so I like the way it looks.
I am also awaiting new titles, but for now WoW is the best. If u don't like it just don't play it, but don't think of yourself as so much better or so special for now playing/liking it.
Yes, WoW is cool that you can play it solo....but what totally bites is that is the only way you can play it. At least until end-game anyways. It's retarted that they make all the classes soloable and reduce xp share in parties. It makes it so that a new player plays solo and gets used to being solo then when he hits end-game and he does a raid like LBRS he doesn't know what the heck he's doing with the group. It's mind-numbingly boring to grind and do the dumbest quests ever over and over all by yourself. Sure, you can group with someone else but then you only get half the experience meaning it's pointless to group until 60.
Also, it's only casual until you get to the end. The PvP in the beginning is pointless because of all the twinks so all you can do is "casually" grind. When you get to the end, the only thing to do is PvP or do raids. And these raids are freaking stupid, spend 5 hours trying to get into a group, another 5 hours in the PuG trying to get gear (which will probably not drop or someone else will get it) so that you can do another raid to get some more gear to just keep climbing up the endless gearchain. There is no use for this gear, except to help get new gear! There is no point to World of Warcraft but to do the same super long (noncasual!!) endgame raids or PvP.
World of Warcraft is the game for idiots, it was in the beginning and it is now. It's horrible to grind because it's so boring grinding by yourself (SWG had the best grinding system pre-NGE) and end-game just sucks period.
The only reason that so many people have played it for so long, is because there's nothing better out. All the other great games like EQ and AC got old and no good games have come out since then except for this piece of crap. I, for one, can't wait til the day WoW becomes "old news" and is overthrown by a better game.
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lots of players stay at WoW. Because there is no other MMORPG available. No serious MMORPG.
Blizzard can be happy about that fact. Let's wait and see at the end of next year.
I've been playing WoW casually since release. I have two lvl 60's a lvl 46, and several characters under lvl 30. My highest teir raiding has been a couple times into MC with one character, the other 60 isn't even keyed there.
Heck I went into Scholomance for the first time (with any character) three days ago, with one other person, and we soloed some of the entry and found out that you get 5 faction with Argent Dawn per kill there, even when your faction is too high to get it from outdoor kills
It's still too slow for faction grinding though, without a full group.
If you are a casual gamer and you can't raid, then do faction work. Is your Timbermaw faction exalted? What about your Booty Bay faction? Bloodsail pirates Faction? Some factions have some very nice things available - some of the Timbermaw equipment is very nice, even if it's not T3 raiding gear. A casual pvper can eventually get access to some very nice factional equipment without ever setting foot into a raid instance.
Do I think WoW is perfect? No, definitely not. Does it have most of it's bases covered? Yes. More different styles of play actually work in WoW than in any other mmo I have played, and I've played a LOT of MMO's over the years.
Finaly a good editorial and right on the spot, i can on laugh at people reactions that state the played for a year or even 2 years and they claim the game sucks, i mean how dumb can you be to be able to play a game for more then a year and say the game is stupid. Wow isn't my 1st MMO but it is my 1st MMO i made it to lvl cap 60, you may say oh thats easy and sonme may say that can be done in a month but to be honost people that say that are for me people that arn't real gamers as real gamers explore the world, make friends do not neccecary follow the gamepath but have their own fantasy on how to behave in the world, If i go out for some hunting i go out for some hunting and i do not go out for the grind, that word doesn't even excist for me really, same thing for the word Twink, unless it means being jalouse at a low lvl for his gear, i mean comm'n people screaming on RPG realms that some are twinks, people like that should leave the game cause twinks should be seen as family members as i see my character as one famlily meeting other family's, i do agree that at some point its hard to know if the so called twink is a person that worked very hard with a high lvl to gain some gold to spend on his lower lvl char. or if it is some goldbuying idiot , in that way i think the biggest bug in WOW is goldsellers/goldsellingsites/goldellingspammers. And something i also find wierd is people say that they find WOW boring, again i would ask them who is holding the 9mm against your head to force you to play??, for me its the other way around when i feel borred i going to play WOW cause i just can not get borred in it, and may i feel that one of my family members isn't worth playing at that moment i got more members in the famliy(Other character) to choose from or simply yet leave the realm and get back into the real world.
If you reach the point of bordem in a game you know that that game has taken full control over your real life else why would you hop into a game that is boring. Think about this the next time anyone say's he's boring in a game !! Junky's will say the same thing about drugs "do not use it cause it is bad" but they contineu using drugs
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Bit dumb to make a statement for a game that surpassed 6 mill. subs
SWG could have been the king of them all untill they made into a Counterstrike online game for Jedi's, true it needed somewhat of more of a storyline especialy knowing the rich history from the movies the game had, but being able to creat city's, play rpg with non combat classes, pickup any of the 16 classes wich really gave you the feel of being in the SW world, and that's what SWG really was , it was more a world you could do almost everything possible in then it was a game, yes it had lots of bugs to bad they kept developing new stuff instead of fixing bugs first.
yup this nowhere close the amount of heroin addicts., but not all drug addicts use heroin, only 6 million are meth freaks, 10 mill are crack heads, .......
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As much as I probably agreed with him while I was still active in WoW, I got sucked into the viscous raid circle - and that is nothing you can call casual (be there at exactly 8 pm or you can't join, then we will be there for 5 hours and you can not get any loot since you don't have dkp....)
and the looking for group thing is in wow just as problematic if you want to advance your character/quests.
e.g.
LFG to Mauraudon - am Warlock.
sorry, we don't want warlock, we need priest, warrior, pally, druid. bye
or
LFG to DME - am class XXXX
silence
silence
one person whispers
wait 20 minutes, repeat LFG message on all channels, get hammered for spamming...
30 minutes, 2 people only, great, there goes my evening of fun playing.....
also, if you don't have tons of rl friends or are a hardcore rpg-er, i don't see what you can do there after 2 years??? sure, swg is boring as hell, but with housing and the crafting system, you have a reason to hang out (especially alone, if that is what you want).
1) Casual....this means that you log in once in a while, a few times a week. You play with some friends, you go exploring. You screw around near the bank, and have fun most of the time.
2) Mid-level: You can screw around and try on dresses and be silly, but you can easily jump into a dungeon and you have a few pieces of fancy armor. Both one and two do not play these games JUST to get the best stuff, they play to have fun, to be social, and to sometimes get obsessed.
3) Nuts: This type is the guy that has his full sets of nice armor, the uber sword, and the guy that constantly yells at the rest of the players in the BG that they are all "a bunch of f'in noobs" Don't get me wrong, I have met tons of these guys that are really cool people, that are very friendly and very forgiving to those of us that are there to have fun and not just to collect. My own brother has 7 lvl 60's now, but he still can sit down and goof off with me and my wife in the AH.
You know what type you are. And the point made by the poster above is valid: whay make fun of a game and talk about how horrible it was after you played it for a year? What happens to players like that is that they rush and rush till the end and then grit thier teeth in frustration when the entire group they are in is full of players like them.
And please do not compare most MMO's to WoW. It works well, feels nice, flows well, has a fun story, and nice controls. There is a reason that a lot of MMO's are taking cues from WoW now. There are only a few real good games out there, like Eve, but that number can be counted on one hand. I have played around 40 games, was paying for 6 at one time, and WoW is one of the best.
If you are mad because you spend all night trying to get a group, then I say to you that WoW is about the easiest game to find groups in, and will only get easier. The players that are affected the most by the lack of a good group are those guys that only want to raid and raid and raid, so that they can get that super cool piece of armor. Try finding a group in FFXI, or in EQ2...you'll see.
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GBTW is something you see in every non-wow game/forum around. that acronym was created for a reason.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
It may well be closer to a realistic definition of casual than is used by 95% of people on the WoW forums. I get the impression he logs in for an hour or two maybe a couple times per week.
A lot of the people that call themselves casual are actually not casual at all, they are non-raiders. They are people that play regularly but only solo or in up to 5 man groups. These people have a lack of content after a couple months at 60.
WoW does a great job in general keeping hardcore raiders, pvp types, and true casuals happy. It is the non-raiding players that are on 10+ hours per week that have the biggest problems.
WoW is a well polished game with a seamless world and tons of stuff to do, not to mention a big community to boot. The community ranges from your selfish immature brat to the mature and helpfull player. If you can't find a guild to suit you in this game, then you aren't looking hard enough. So why is it this game doesn't appeal to me beyond that?
Well it is simple. If I wanted to play solo, I would pick up a single player RPG. MMO's are made to be played in groups. They always advertised it as such on the back of the box. At least they did in my DAoC days. If I am so pressed by time, where I can't group in an MMO that night, wouldn't my time be better served playing a single player RPG that night and play the MMO later when I do have the time? The quests are not that good and are MMO quality quests, which means they are fetch this and that or deliver this or that missions. Why would a person want to solo those when they could go on a single player Epic quest on a offline game?
If the quests were fun, then doing quests all the way to 60 would be cool. I am the type of person who would rather group up and go grind for an hour or so. It is more fun to me to be out there with a group of people just killing stuff. That is what I loved about DAoC and that is what got me hooked to MMORPG's 4 years ago. Now the market has shifted and soloing is the preffered method, forcing people like me out the back door.
I believe that people who complain about not being able to find a group are not trying hard enough. If you are playing a popular game and are just grinding, and grouping is the best xp, then you will always find somebody to group with. I never had trouble grouping when DAoC first came out. All classes must be viable, grouping must yeild faster xp, and there must be a healthy sized population for grouping to work. But when you have those things, it is more fun than running a Fed Ex mission by yourself. Intermingle some Epic sized and quality quests in your game here and there and you've got yourself a great MMO in my opinion.
I play WoW now, because every other decent game out there has a very small community, and most games out there have caught the soloers plague. A small community mixed with people who prefer to solo is a bad game when you want to group. So I play WoW where it is easy to find other RPers, good guilds who conduct RPing events and at least I can group for all the instance content out there.
I loved WoW when I played it, and someday I hope to be back. But I have always been a semi casual player and never been into raiding even in my years playing EQ. I don't find waiting in a huge line and 40+ people killing 1-3 things at a time fun. If Blizzard offered people the option of spending more money and allowing you to buy the end game equipment I'd reactivate my account in seconds. Many other Asian-type/developed mmos do this and it is something Blizzard could do to make even more casual gamers want to stay. Alas, I will never, ever have end game equipment, which ironically you have to have to pvp at end game or you will be out classed 80%+ of the time.
I think WoW is very unique in what it has brought to the mmo field and feel that, as someone who likes to RP, it offers a nice place to be. RP is a dying thing for gamers like me though. Wish had hope, Horizons I once believed could have taken it all the way...but both are finished.
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I thought like you with the exception of wanting solo play and I stumbled across Lineage II. Lineage II is the only game that I know of that will still have you progressing after 8 months. You can solo or group in the game. It will take you forever to level, grinding in that game blows, there is open PvP with strict rules for the griefers, and there are clan or siege wars as you advance in level. You might like the game.
I do enjoy playing in groups but for the most part i play solo, have not really raid much have done a few battlegrounds, almost made it fully into SM :P but i think its safe to say i kinda sol'd to lvl 60 for about 89%, the good thing i really like in WOW THERE IS NO ENDGAME!!(for me) haha needed to state this in caps cause i do not understand people constantly saying that at lvl 60 i also did it in near 6 months , afcourse if i wasn't a real gamer i could have done it in a month or maybe 2, but i think alott of real gamers would agree that playing a MMO and rush into lvl 60 is far from actual being a gamer, how many wanna-be gamers ask at low lvl to get a high lvl to escort them in some cave/quest/dungeon, i do wonder why people like that even take the time to get in a game like WOW as they totaly do not understand gaming it seems, or those that ask at lvl 30 if someone could lend them 10silver, all this shows some people really can not game or play MMOrpg.
All those things like dungeons,raids ect i still can look forward too in time and when i have and want to make the time for just that, thats the whole meaning of a MMO there is no rush, no timelimit, afcourse those with excuses like " my friends get higher lvl 'd and i want to keep up, those that buy gold from the net,those that want a +10 there own lvl to help them,those that beg for money ingame, those that are bored ingame are still those that can not and will never be gamers in my opinion.
Wow is like many already stated not perfect but from all the MMOrpg's i played over the years it gets damn close to be just perfect, other MMOrpg might have better story lines, pvp but from most of them lack hugh in same way iether gameplay, game mechanics or visuals, WOW got it all right, though some may disagree the cartoony look, but al is in place and works how it should work, why you think so many people like to jump, this might seem silly to some but i think its because its the most accurate jumping i ever seen in a MMO, and accurate little details like this is what make or breaks a game, if its not there the game will not succide,if its there....well we all know numbers playing that game
I like the game, only play it for half an hour - 2 hours a day.
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The editorial seems a bit out of place. Many of what was said was true several months ago, but slowly WoW is becoming World of Raidcraft. Blizzard seems to be listening to the vocal minority and adding more raiding/grinding content as The Fun Thing To Do at Sixty.
With the AQ War patch they added "casual" quests so people who couldn't (or wouldn't) raid could upgrade their blue dungeon set armors. The quest line was a joke as forking up 100's of gold and getting crafting items from every profession is hardly something a casual player would be able to do. After forking up 100g, an arcanite converter, eternal essence and uh something else (forget offhand) all you have to show for it is ... a bracer?? Not casual at all Mr Blizzard Dev.
Not to mention I am confident that much of the 7+ million subscribers aren't players but the Gold Farmers Inc. This website, plus countless others, have buy WoW gold ads so there must be a large number of "employees" supplying said gold. I've seen many news reports, online and on TV, that show workers sitting around an "office" but they aren't working on spreadsheets they are playing WoW for gold farming.
Horde paladins and Alliance shamans was also a lazy way of creating a "new" class in the expansion without having to design one. They now made the differences between the two factions cosmetic.
during our stay in WoW, I have to say I completely disagree with almost
everything this writer says for many of the reasons previously stated.
He simply lacks credibility given his previous MMO experience to
be taken seriously. I think that anyone who has played a lot of
games in this genre knows who spot wrong this guy is, and how he is
given a front page editorial on a site that specializes in MMORPGs is
beyond my comprehension.
Most of the various types of gameplays he says this WoW caters to are
hardly viable and laughable when compared to this games
predicessors. Anyone who is playing for PvP has obvioudly never
played a serious PvP MMO at any length ala DAOC. The raiding is a
serious badly conceived gimmicky bosses which has more to do with know
the bosses 47 little tricks and finding out the 1 way the devs left
open to win the encounter. The Burning Crusade does absolutely
nothing to remedy the over instancing PvP, which continues to suck what
remaining life there is on the old overworld, nor does it remeedy the
fact the games instances / raids lose their luster rather quickly when
you are running the same one 2 times a week for 34 weeks trying to get
that special item or enough rep grounded out.
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I've tried lineage in the past, whether or not it has changed for the better is not of knowing but there are indeed things in wow i want to see in other mmorpgs and that's the vast content, i've tried games that were alot more amazing in action and decent pace but lacked the content wow has.
I am prolly never gonna find my game but if the mmorpg producers take some of the good things from wow and make it more complex along with adding more controle around it they might very well succed, they might not get as many subs as wow, since it wouldn't be as easy ect. but it would atleast serve as a nice game towards the right circle.
Wow made you feel a sorta constant progress, untill you hit 60, if another game can keep it going like that´, with a lvl cap of 150 or whatever which takes ages to get but yet make people feel constant progress in other forms than just exp and items, then we are on the right step. In other words there needs to be some sort of constant progress through items being swapped for better and "smoother looking" along with lvl'in and new abilities or combos and alike, at last there needs to be a third where wow has tradeskills ect. but it also ended at almost same pace as lvl 60. Don't forget a nice amount of content with places that doesn't look like the other one, with a story of it's own, along with thier villains and demons alike, and ofc. an instance where you can venture for the unknowing with your friends with hectic battles and fast paced, yet long fights, with it's own tale to tell. I am asking for the impossible, i know.
level - item - skillpoint/tradeskills/finetuning, as soon one drops off the game goes down hill.
But in the end, it doesn't matter how cool your blazer and jeans where last year, it won't be as fancy as it was, there always have to be some changes that makes it feel new and fresh.
WoW as simple it was, it was solid, it had peaks, and a little new but i was only in love with the game when it was 1-60 along with the valor and bluegear days, the rest was just wowcrack.
Age of Conan and 2Moons, conan got it's great old myth and legends with it's combat system of nice realtime combat and good load of controle, not to forget it's bloody and brutal world it is. 2moons is as bloody and brutal as Age of conan with it's own special and fast combat system with cutting and decapitating finishers, not to forget it implementing instance system. Their combat only is more complex and advanced than wow, makes them just that much interesting... i always hated seing how a 3.7 speed weapon could look so awful stupid and boring. Which goes over to another game that had a nice amount of action and decent pace of even 2hander weapons, RyL1, it just lacked content, such a shame cause it had potential.
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Everyone should think of all the games that have released recently. How many of them actually work and/or have decent content and little bugs? Not many. For example dark and light, mourning, archlord, and even non MMOs are infested with bugs like Neverwinter Nights 2 or The Guild 2.
I got this one game called Stronghold 2 that was simply unplayable. I like WoW and Blizzard because every game ive gotten from them has worked. Not to mention they always have great online with battle.net. Most games have about 1 or 2 games max on their game list a month after release.
I predict the next great MMO will be Blizzard made and im not even a fanboy. Thats just the pattern I see things going in these days. Devs need to start making a solid game without problems before they start adding the fluff on their games. Give me a game that works! Is that really so much to ask for?
Let me add that I hate when devs say: We will add this feature after release. Which has always been a load of bullsh*t. Either add it in before release or dont put the feature up. The question I want to start seeing in a FAQ is "Does this game work and have solid content?"
So where are those heros classes we were promised would be in right
after launch? It's a shame, if they actually stopped trying to
sweep their promises under the rug hoping we'd forget about them, the
game might have turned out to have a lot more depth and options for
advancement.
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you can grind any class to 60 and ooo there went half the game. WoW is
a simplistic EQ knock off that offers no real challange. The game world
is one of the smallest out there, the community is mostly whiney pvp
griefing children, the Only thing WoW has is graphics which a certian
level of gamer cares about, i care about quality game content and
immersive gameplay and WoW seems to be severly allergic to both....
EQ was a fantastic game that suffered from a change of company and of
game ideas. WoW is simply a pretty filler till a really good game is
released.
Steve Wilson sorry dude but WoW really suxx its really boring gane "exept pvp"but for 3 months was bored from it,every night dumb raids after this go pvp whit twink or alts leveling dont know was boring from me can see anything i that game that can keep my attention on that game anymore!!!
"three days with Ultima Online"OMG dont have what to say , i am shure that most of the old players will agree that you was best gameplay ever if you look more deeper!!
So what next, hating "Vanguard" will be the new cool thing to do?
WoW is the best at what it's doing atm. Don't know how things will go from here, but for now ppl can say what they want about it, it's still a big success. The only game that I play and see as something different is EVE, but it has a certain class of players it aims for. Beside that as was said there is no game that can challenge WoW now.
For the ones that "thank WoW for keeping these kind of players out of their game", STOP THINKING YOUR SO SMART AND WOW IS FOR IDIOTS. Think your the kiddies that think of themselves as UBER.
And for the ones that say a player won't respec when he hits 60, because he wants to DPS altho he has another meaning, it means you haven't played the game for more then an year.
I max ranked a char, but am not too much into PvP so won't enter that topic. I'd rather raid. I want my char to get better abd better gear so I like the way it looks.
I am also awaiting new titles, but for now WoW is the best. If u don't like it just don't play it, but don't think of yourself as so much better or so special for now playing/liking it.
Also, it's only casual until you get to the end. The PvP in the beginning is pointless because of all the twinks so all you can do is "casually" grind. When you get to the end, the only thing to do is PvP or do raids. And these raids are freaking stupid, spend 5 hours trying to get into a group, another 5 hours in the PuG trying to get gear (which will probably not drop or someone else will get it) so that you can do another raid to get some more gear to just keep climbing up the endless gearchain. There is no use for this gear, except to help get new gear! There is no point to World of Warcraft but to do the same super long (noncasual!!) endgame raids or PvP.
World of Warcraft is the game for idiots, it was in the beginning and it is now. It's horrible to grind because it's so boring grinding by yourself (SWG had the best grinding system pre-NGE) and end-game just sucks period.
The only reason that so many people have played it for so long, is because there's nothing better out. All the other great games like EQ and AC got old and no good games have come out since then except for this piece of crap. I, for one, can't wait til the day WoW becomes "old news" and is overthrown by a better game.
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