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Should i give EVE online ago?
zoinx
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Ive been loooking at EVE online and its appealing to me, but so was RF online, lets not go there. Ive never played a space mmorpg like it before but wanna give it a try.
Ive tried alot of mmorpg but my favourite is EQ (untill it was ruined). I liked it because I didnt have to go out and do quest after quest afer quest tho i could do quests if and when i wanted to. I liked going out grabbing a group and killing mobs.
Now u know what I kinda like do you think EVE online will be good for me or should I not waste my money.
Thanks for any help.
Ive tried alot of mmorpg but my favourite is EQ (untill it was ruined). I liked it because I didnt have to go out and do quest after quest afer quest tho i could do quests if and when i wanted to. I liked going out grabbing a group and killing mobs.
Now u know what I kinda like do you think EVE online will be good for me or should I not waste my money.
Thanks for any help.
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I find it amazing that by 2020 first world countries will be competing to get immigrants.
However it is very different than Everquest. The RPG elements are structured completely different and the activities have a completely different mindset.
NPCs in EVE are dumb and useless. They are equivelent to house flies who give you money.
EVE is soley based on PVP and Industry. I doubt you will like it.
So, what you're saying is that in other MMOs the first month you play you're max level and can wtfpwn anyone? Right? That's all it really takes in EVE to get some decent combat skills. Maybe 2.
God that argument is so fucking stupid. So it takes real time to train skills? Does it not take real time to grind those skills? Unless you play 15hrs a day or more, the time it takes for you to get into high end PVP in EVE is much shorter than ANY mmo out right now. Even WoW. If you can get your first char to lvl 60 in 2 months, without playing 15+hrs a day, then you are damn good at the game.
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As a matter of fact, I am working on developing a operation held in about a month with nothing but EVE TRIAL characters to go out and wtfpwn some high end ships.
Let me see you do that in any MMO ever released in all of the time MMOs have been around.
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Whatever else you might say about Eve, SnaKey is right. A gang of newbs CAN take down an extremely long time vet. I don't know many other games that this is true of. My level 60s in WoW could easily handle waves of 1-2 week old newbies, practically without breaking a sweat.
This is not to say I think you would or would not enjoy Eve. I've had trouble maintaining long-term interest in it myself. I've joined and cancelled three times so far. But you can, after a few weeks of playing, build up enough skill points to be viable in a corp and there are many corps that are newbie friendly, so don't be scared by the time based skill progression.
I can't really figure out why I can't maintain any interest in it. I like sci-fi, Eve has huuuuge variety in ships, a pretty good community, exciting PVP with meaningful consequences to death (not permadeath, but you can easily lose millions or billions in ship/equipment). And you can even avoid PVP altogether if you stay in Empire space (high security). And yet, somehow, I play for a month and lose interest....
But it's a free trial, so give it a shot. Play the tutorial all the way through, if you do. You get a nice reward at the end of it that is worth a good bit of money.
going a major upgrade this week and there'll be all sorts of issues
cropping up. In addition, the upgrade includes a whole new
character creation process with some additional benefits to newly
created characters.
So, what you're saying is that in other MMOs the first month you play you're max level and can wtfpwn anyone? Right? That's all it really takes in EVE to get some decent combat skills. Maybe 2.
God that argument is so fucking stupid. So it takes real time to train skills? Does it not take real time to grind those skills? Unless you play 15hrs a day or more, the time it takes for you to get into high end PVP in EVE is much shorter than ANY mmo out right now. Even WoW. If you can get your first char to lvl 60 in 2 months, without playing 15+hrs a day, then you are damn good at the game.
I probably dont like grinding any more than you do, but way they done it in EvE isn't that great and has it flaws. EvE has coded limit how fast you can progress. You are looking up for
2-3 months learning skill learning + after that skills required for t2 guns/ammo and you need lot of other support skills.
In GW for example you can get max level in day and casually played in week and pvp lvl 20 char day you start. Does that make you wtfpwn anyone? No. You need to learn how to use your skills. War Machine guild didn't win these tournaments in GW just because they were all level 20, but because they were skilled and practised good team work.
As for your idea of trial accounts pwning battleships. Yeah, swarm of newbies who only need to be able to A) follow target called b) press activate guns/scramblers/web/etc. Very little room for any invidual skill. In fact swarm of newbies can do that in even most of level grinding games.
I could only add that Eve has a rather steep learning curve, so dont
get discouraged if you do not understand it from the beginning. Most of
the stuff is hidden behind complex ideas, mining, trading, exploring,
fighting, pretty much everything is not something u can get into right
away. You need to practice, practice and practice. I tried Eve like 5
times before I finaly "got" it, sort of. Make sure you ask questions
around, youll have plenty of those im sure. And if you are serious
about Eve, join a good corp, thats almost a necessary thing to survive
in Eve.
Approximately half of its content is affected in some way or another by
hardcore-PvP, so if you are not a hardcore PvPer (Im not hardcore nor
PvP fan) you might not like it that much (you lose everything u have if
u get into low sec zones, and some people "trick" you into fighting
them in high sec zones without dire consequences for themselves). Being
in a strong corp is a must, becuase if u r solo or in a small corp,
pirates will try to shoot you down and steal your stuff. I didnt like
that particular aspect becuase i sort of like soloing, and never joined
a big corp, so I was "stuck" in 0.5 and higher zones, and twice I
barely escaped when flying through a lower level zone trying to get to
mining spot.
Some people, though, enjoy that thrill that any moment can be the last one. I say, whatever rocks your boat, man.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
Eve's well worth a trial. It's a top game.
Very slow paced though and not for everyone.
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Very little room for any invidual skill. In fact swarm of newbies can do that in even most of level grinding games.
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Name one and don't say Guild Wars, because that's just not true.
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#2 I don't even think a lvl 1 RP Char can battle a lvl 20 RP Char
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Wrong on both.
10,000 lvl 5s could attack 1 lvl 60 with no armor for hours on end and won't do anything to him.
I don't think this was possible in UO either.
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Wrong on both.
10,000 lvl 5s could attack 1 lvl 60 with no armor for hours on end and won't do anything to him.
I don't think this was possible in UO either.
In UO it was and still is possible for sure. Never played WoW that much so I assumed that newbies would do atleast some damage.
I say give the trial a go, I do not play Eve, nor did I like it (it just wasn't my cup of tea), but the trial does not need a credit card to be activated (I believe) so there is no harm in trying it
combat so-so, the first time a missle hit me I almost jumped out of my seat its slower paced supposed to get slower with the expansion, mainly about handleing various numbers such as distance, capacitor with precombat stages for setting up your ship. its mildly entertain and boring that you're fightign an oppent 20 KM away so it seems that you're fighting a box on the screen over a ship thats 1-10 football fields long(granted real space combat would be an entire solar systems length). also they have sheilds and SHIELDS ARE ANNOYING IN SCIFI.
yes there can be 20 min travel times but you can limit those if you want, and people who actively play it suggest you read a book while playing, and learn to get comfortable.(my room was never cleaner while I was playing it
the community is actually pretty good for a game that prides itself on open PvP.
CONCLUSION: its a decent game
I find it amazing that by 2020 first world countries will be competing to get immigrants.
I would wait a few days and let the new expansion Revelations get installed and iron-out. Also the character creation is getting a major overhaul with this expansion. The whole creation is alot more simple, and gives a ton of more information to help you make the character you want without scratching your head and thinking what the heck you are doing.
Also, all this talk about you spending months training learnings skills in the beginning, has also been partially changed with this expansion. Up till now it was recommended you train your basic learning skills to level 5, so that you could open up the advance learning skills to take them to 4. The long part was taking the basics 4 to 5, which was like 5 days each at least. Welll now with the expansion, they have lowered the skill needed to get the advance learning skills from basic level 5 to level 4.
So now you can get to advance learning skill advance 4 if u want, MUCH faster, and also do those 4-5 basics later whenever you want. But the point being learning the learning skills after Revelations will go by much quicker.
And one more thing, when you made a character in Eve, you general started out with about 50,000 sp. Depending on what options you picked this varied up or down. With Revelations, they have completely changed it, and now you pick pre-set templates of character skills like say industry, or fighter, and you will get many good skills in those particular field. But the nice thing is now EVERY new character after Revelations will start with around 800,000 sp! Your talkin about 2 level 5s skills probably and a 4 here or there, and many other skills. So now starting a new character in Eve will be alot less painful i think, and thats why you should try it after Revelations is installed.
BTW the servers are down at the moment, and will be up in about 20 hours from now when Revelations is installed. Ok later!
Still, if you didnt like the skill system before, you wont like it now. It hasnt changed at all, only a few fairly minor things were rebalanced.
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1) EVE is not a game that everyone will enjoy. Some love the real time skill system because it means they don't have to log in and play for umpteen hours just to advance. Some hate it because they want to advance more quickly than others. Some just want to "catch up".
2) EVE is not a game that everyone will enjoy. It's 100% based around PVP. No matter what anyone tells you the ONLY place you are 100% safe in EVE is when you are docked in a station. And even there you can get scammed out of your money
3) EVE is the only MMORPG that when you get into it you feel like part of the universe. Your actions, or inactions, can have dramatic impact not just on yourself but upon other players around you, your corporation, your alliance, and even entire sectors of the map, depending on what you decide to do. Or you can have no impact whatsoever. Just as an example there are a few player pirates in EVE that are so good at what they do that entire alliances have been known to send hunting parties after them (usually unsuccessful as well). One or two dedicated pirates can nearly shut down a trade corridor if they really put their minds to it. On the flip side there are players who are extremely helpful as well and have enhanced the game and it's story in other ways. In short: Your actions, good... bad... indifferent... can have huge impact upon the game. Which is not something you can say about many MMORPG's
4) The skill system is not as cut and dry as some will try to tell you. You do not HAVE to spend your first 3 months training nothing but learning skills. In fact I never recommend this. You don't NEED all the learning skills maxed out to get the basic ship/combat skills you need to be active in T1 ships. In fact it's really not worth training many of the learning skills very high till you're up to Battle Cruisers (or at least highly trained in cruiser skills). I tend to recommend training learning skills mixed in with your combat/trade/manufacturing/mining skills (depending on which path(s) you choose to take. I personally was in cruisers before I had any of my learning skills to even level 4. Level 3 is VERY quick to get to, only a couple hours for each of them. And that will get you well on your way until you start hitting long breaks. Then I trained the level 4 & 5 1st tier learning skills while I slept/worked and trained combat type skills while playing. When I got to the tier 2 learning skills I repeated the process. The short ones I mixed in with regular training then trained the longer ones while asleep/at work/on vacation. There's no reason why a new player should waste 1-2 months of playtime training all the learning skills to Rank 2, level 5... there's really no reason to even train them beyond Rank 2, level 4 (which is fairly quick to train). The R2L5 skills really aren't necessary and are just silly-long to train. I don't plan to bother with them till I just have nothing better to do. It's only 1 additional stat point that, in the end, isn't going to save me enough time on any training to bother with.
Life in EVE:
Is it safe to fly in EVE? Sure if you stay in empire and don't carry multi-millions worth of cargo in a T1 cargo ship you will generally be safe in EVE. Can you be killed anywhere... anytime? Yes... but it's more likely that if you stay in 'high sec' space you'll never get attacked by another player unless you are in a player corporation that's at war with another player corporation. So while there are certain activities that can put you in danger in high sec, for the most part high sec is fairly safe. Playing EVE has a lot of common sense to it.
But, again, EVE is not a game that every player will enjoy, nor should it be. It's a truely different style of MMORPG that some will love, some will hate, but most will at least respect for what it is. A very well implemented game that accomplishes 90%+ of what it set out to do. Which is more than can be said for most other MMO's out there.
Will you like it? I don't know. I would tend to agree with others that if you are looking for a PVE game you PROBABLY won't... but it does have a 14 day free trial. I'd wait till later this week or early next week to give it a spin though. It's patch day today and usually patch week is a little rocky as bugs/kinks to new code gets ironed out. EVE 'patches' are much like other game's expansions. In fact they really ARE expansions, they're just free rather than having to pay for them.
EVE has tons of cool features and fun aspects. But as I said above, you may or may not like it. I would recommend trying it regardless because until you've played it you'll never really understand what it's all about, no matter how much you read about it.
Myths:
"You can't catch up" while technically true it's not really necessary to "catch up". For numerous reasons.
- First of all the biggest misconception is that a 3 year vet is some kind of god at PVP. That's just not the case. There are a finite number of combat related skills. In just a few months time anyone can max an entire aspect of combat skills out. All a Vet truely has over a new player is versatility. A 3 year old player will have more options to choose from but they can only fly ONE ship at a time and when you fly a ship you fit it for a specific role, or you wind up inefective. So while a 3 year vet may have hundreds of options in combat, they will only have a very limited number of options available at any given time. A new player, while they will have fewer options, if they train properly can quickly master one area and be very useful and proficient at it in a very short time. As snakey mentioned: A 2 week old player can, and often do, kill 3 year old veterans. In EVE it's not so much how many skills you have. It's how you apply them.
- Second, while the skill system is ranked it's also a serious case of 'diminishing returns'. Each skill increases in the ammount of time it takes to train the higher level it is. For example a gunnery skill may take 15 minutes to learn the first level of it. The second level may take an hour. The third will take 3-4 hours. The 4th level could take a day or more and the 5th level will take several days of time. Once you get to the rank 2, 3, 4 or 5 skills those times get longer. So while it does take some time to advance an older player with level 5 gunnery only has like a 3% advantage over a younger player with level 4 gunnery. And, again, that 3% means bumpkis depending on what roles each player is filling. If the vet is flying in his hauler moving cargo and the new player is in a shiney combat cruiser (or even a frigate) the new player is going to destroy the vet.
"The only way to make money is to mine" This one slays me. There are SO MANY ways to make money in EVE that it's just plain mind boggling. While mining IS one of them, and probably the easiest to start doing it is far from the 'only' way. It's not even the BEST way. There are people in the game that make billions of ISK just writing about their travels on the forums. One of the most famous of these is Inomminate Nightmare. A player of legendary status in the game who's never flown anything but tier 1 frigates and newb ships, yet he's a multi-billionaire now. There are, of course, more traditional ways of making money (Missions, killing NPC's, yes... mining, hauling cargo, begging from other players, etc). But the greater your immagination and creativity the more options you have in EVE."You must join a player corp to have fun" This one is generally a good idea but it's not necessary either. There are numerous players who love EVE who have never ever left the NPC corporation that they started the game in. Personally I prefer (as most do) the interaction and fun of being in a player corp. But it's not a requirement so don't think of it like that. What being in a player corp does is give you more options and more avenues in the game to explore and more aspects of it to see.
Hope this helps. As I said... EVE isn't for everyone. But it really is a game that everyone should at least try.
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