Fastest cancellation in history

rawgutts · November 2006

For me that is..

I signed back yesterday after being away for some time and now I am canceling again today.

Why?

In a matter of three hours of playing CoH I had 2 client crashes and 4 map disconnects. Still is totally unacceptable from a game that has been out this long..

Don't waist your time or money on this one.

damian7 · November 2006

Originally posted by rawgutts
For me that is..

I signed back yesterday after being away for some time and now I am canceling again today.

Why?

In a matter of three hours of playing CoH I had 2 client crashes and 4 map disconnects. Still is totally unacceptable from a game that has been out this long..

Don't waist your time or money on this one.

don't know what to tell you, i haven't had any issues at all along those lines yesterday. your firewall and isp cool with the game?

fastest cancellation for me was when my wife talked me into restarting wow, wasn't but a couple of hours later and they'd gotten my "sorry to see you leave" survey.

Motorhead · November 2006

I've had one client crash in the last 3 months.

tute · November 2006

I lost all the performance gains I had made during I7 when I moved to a dual-core CPU. Thx I8.

rawgutts · November 2006

Originally posted by damian7
Originally posted by rawgutts
For me that is..

I signed back yesterday after being away for some time and now I am canceling again today.

Why?

In a matter of three hours of playing CoH I had 2 client crashes and 4 map disconnects. Still is totally unacceptable from a game that has been out this long..

Don't waist your time or money on this one.

don't know what to tell you, i haven't had any issues at all along those lines yesterday. your firewall and isp cool with the game?

fastest cancellation for me was when my wife talked me into restarting wow, wasn't but a couple of hours later and they'd gotten my "sorry to see you leave" survey.

Yeah my rig is fine. I play a ton of games way more graphics intensive than CoX. I think it's just bad code or something. Hell I wish I chould load the entire game into memory, so it wouldn't even touch my HD.

dreamer05 · November 2006

City of Heroes was one of my fastest cancelations. FFXI was probably the fastest though. CoH was the most repetative game I've ever experienced and I canceled after I believe a week. FFXI However I bought, installed, patched, created account, played for 10 minutes and canceled. Horrible horrible graphics, even worse controls. Terrible game. And sad too because I LOVE the FF series.

vajuras · November 2006

Yeah I used to crash all the time. I finally updated my sound driver which fixed it. make sure you have latest drivers. However, i had a friend that crashed just like you he never made it out of character creation. He's the only friend I had that couldnt run the game out of like 4 people I knew

Now CoV runs rough in grandville (are used to). but I always thought CoX ran like silk on majority of user machines

RomanStoic · November 2006

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Anofalye · November 2006

LOL.

You cancel because of TECH issues? You are funny. The game run smoothly for me and I nearly experience such bugs...so odds are your computer/internet provider is the problem.

Now, you try to join JUST AFTER A PATCH. But your computer must run both, whole installation and patches and YOUR computer can't take it. You are obviously a spoil person...

The only game I cancel THAT fast was WoW, and it was for inadequate gameplay. Well, if you exclude FFXI, which I was never able to even play to start with and THEY delete my account and my free month before I upgrade my computer, so I wasn't able to play FFXI despite buying it, yet it was SQUARE's doing, not mine.

tute · December 2006

Originally posted by RomanStoic
Originally posted by rawgutts
For me that is..

I signed back yesterday after being away for some time and now I am canceling again today.

Why?

In
a matter of three hours of playing CoH I had 2 client crashes and 4 map
disconnects. Still is totally unacceptable from a game that has been
out this long..

Don't waist your time or money on this one.

Despite
your assertion that your computer is not the problem, it most likely
is. I have run City of Heroes/Villains on several different machines
and never had any issues. As one poster suggested, I recommend that you
update your drives, because that is likely the problem.

Many---very likely most---people who play City of Heroes never have major technical issues with it. Your advice to not waste one's
time or money on the game is a bit of an exaggeration. Just because
your computer may have a technical problem with the game, does not mean
in any way that the game itself is at fault, regardless of whether or
not you can run some other, different applications. Most likely,
the issue is with your PC and not the game.

It's
not surprising to see this attitude. Hey bud, you are saying
basically the same thing. For every computer that does not have a
problem you can find someone that does. There are many threads on
the official forums with those that have updated drivers and very
powerful rigs yet performance issues still persist. The
mods have even created an official thread in which to report the
problem. This is one of the most inconsistent games I've seen
performance wise so take that "I don't have a problem so you don't"
attitude somewhere esle. Many people like BillZ have gone far and
beyond what should be required of a customer yet performance still
suffers. I really love the blanket statement that most people who
play CoX do not have tech problems. Do you have a source to back
this up?

Just another person that sees absolutely no flaw with the
company. You have some other blinders to hand out? I need
some to ignore the crappy 20fps(from 30-60 in I7) I am currently
playing at even after updating drivers and putting back the
-renderthread in the shortcut so it uses both cores.

Yes,telling everyone to stay away because they will have the same tech
issues is exaggerated but you are making no less a bloated claim and
hopefully readers will recognize that. This game does have some
performance issues and if read the official forums enough to see the
devs have acknowledged this then you wouldn't be spouting such false
info.

bverji · December 2006

I came back too for I8 and the game hasn't run well for me either. But, COH has always had problems running after an update (as all other mmos I've played) for 2-3 weeks. In fact the game is down now and I bet they're already working on it. It sounds a lot like you were looking for a reason not to like it andthis was the best you could come upo with.

bverji · December 2006

Well I agree that anyone claiming there isn't a problem with how the game is running doesn't deserve an opinion because they are unobservent or biased. However as I pointed out before jumping on the game the day after a major update and expressing your leaving because the game is running rough is equally biased.

tute · December 2006

Yep Rawgutts,

I finally updated to dual-core during I7 and got the performance I wanted. The Anandtech article was correct that the game is more CPU dependent than GPU and that's why people with even SLI configs with 7900GTXs can still see low fps. Also, what these two forget is one question tech support may ask is "Have you installed anything on your computer recently?" This indicates that said program may cause performance issues so ignoring that you played the game just the day before the Issue update, not to mention the weeks previous with no issues, completely ignores that just maybe it was the Issue update itself.

I would hope a company like Cryptic would make a game as backward compatible as possible and realize the drivers that are currently out. My god, this game was made to run on an MX400, essentially a Geforce 2. Yes, they have updated that with CoV and asked for a minimum of any DirectX 9 card but you still get people that call cards like the 6600GT a base card. What the hell? During CoV's release this was THE MID-RANGE card to get. It was NOT a budget card like say an ATI Radeon 9600 which was the least expensive D9 card you could get at the time.

Even though I've seen it countless times, these 'blind-faith' attitudes still take me by surprise.

RomanStoic · December 2006

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tute · December 2006

Originally posted by RomanStoic

Hi, Tute. Please allow me to respond point-by-point to your post to enhance your understanding of my comments. I have italicised your words for clearer quotation.
I hope that you will not take any of my words in this response harshly. I do not wish to seem as if I am jabbing at you in a loathing spirit. Rather, I am attempting to reply as thoroughly as possible to your post, which not only demonstrated a gross misunderstanding and misreading of my words, but also quickly leapt to accusations and insults. Instead of performing in such a rude fashion, you could have requested further explanation from me, which I would have been more than happy to give to you. Instead, you came across very rudely. I have attempted, with some faults and failings, to reply in an unlike manner.
I don't see that I was being rude anymore than you are being right now in this response even though you try and play it off with a disclaimer. Nor do I see I was leaping to any more conclusions than you were.

It's not surprising to see this attitude. Hey bud, you are saying basically the same thing. For every computer that does not have a problem you can find someone that does.
Is it a fact that for every computer that does not have a problem, one can find another 'someone' (I suppose you mean another computer) that does have technical issues for the game? You are swift to accuse me of writing with a particular attitude, but what I see here are attempts to make generalisations into facts. Should I really take your words as saying, logically, 'If there are fifty players, twenty-five of them will have no problems, and the other twenty-five will have technical issues'?
If that is how you want to assume that's fine. Read it how you like. The fact is there are players that have issues regardless of how many configurations you have 'tested/experienced' or said player has a better or older rig than any of yours. Your continued assumption you have covered enough configurations and settings to present the attitude that you know within a shadow of a doubt that it's my computer(and other players) is such a biased opinion I hope readers take it for the little value it is worth.

There are many threads on the official forums with those that have updated drivers and very powerful rigs yet performance issues still persist. The mods have even created an official thread in which to report the problem.
How is this different from the technical support forum for most other online games?
Simple, it disproves your assumption other people are not having issues simply because they haven't 'updated drivers'. The thread and many others before show that people have gone above and beyond what should be required of customers(especially those that do not have enough technical knowledge). Myself, having gone through the whole technical process TWICE with tech support(DXDiag, update drivers, network test, defrag, Hijack This, reinstall of game, reinstall of Windows[I did this on my own to discount ALL other programs], etc) only to be told there is nothing wrong with my machine and they will log my technical issue with the programmers is proof enough for me it is not my computer.
This is one of the most inconsistent games I've seen performance wise so take that "I don't have a problem so you don't" attitude somewhere esle.
Because you yourself have noticed 'inconsistencies' (I suppose you mean to say, 'technical issues') with the game, your opinion is more valid than mine? Where did I state the following: 'I don't have a problem so you don't'? Not only did I recognise that the original poster had a technical issue, but I offered some suggestions that most likely his computer, and not the game itself, is the problem. Of course, that is a guess, and if you would read my words carefully, you would notice that I filled my comments with modifiers---'likely' and so forth. I was not saying, 'The problem could not possibly lie with the game'---rather, as is clear from a sensible reading of my post, I noted that the problem most likely was with his computer.
Before launching into a smug tirade, please read over any given post carefully as to avoid misunderstanding.
"Most likely wrong with your computer" is much different than saying "I realize CoX has grown in complexity and I have also seen other players have issues in the present and past". You had a knee-jerk reaction to someone that did not have a good experience and immediately blamed their ignorance of computers without knowing the whole truth(which is CoX does have performance issues).
I never said my opinion is more important than yours, I just told you to get off your high-horse and accept other people have technical issues with the game not their computer.

I really love the blanket statement that most people who play CoX do not have tech problems. Do you have a source to back this up?
Where did I write this? Oh, I see. I wrote 'Many---very likely most---people', and you are taking that as reading, 'Most people', utterly ignoring the presence of the speculative modifier, 'very likely'. Please ensure that you have carefully and completely read all of the words in a sentence and understand adjective modifiers before snobbishly asking a pseudo-intellectual 'do you have a source?' question.
On the topic of 'do you have a source', moreover, I could very well ask the same to you of your 'For every computer that does not have a problem you can find someone that does' comment, which, as you notice, includes no speculative modifiers and is, rather, a fully-fledged generalisation written as a statement of fact. At least in my comments I added 'likely'---'maybe'---'possibly'; you wrote none of these when making your counter-assertions.
I see you are continung your rant....but wait, you placed a disclaimer so it's ok. Good job.
My source are very experienced players that are much more technical than myself such as BillZ and Wolf_Shadow as mentioned previously. Oh, did I mention an official thread that was opened for I8 performance issues? Yeah, that was opened JUST for the sake of telling people that it's only their computer. Oh and please disregard Posi's comment that people provide feedback on "splats"(graphics that hug the terrain such as Steamy Mist) because they(the Devs) are trying to address performance.
Just another person that sees absolutely no flaw with the company. You have some other blinders to hand out?
So you infer that I have absolutely no problem with the 'company' (the designers of the game, I suppose; I kindly request that you be more specific) simply because I suggest that a particular technical issue lies not with the game, but with the computer of a given player? Does this not seem to be a rather bizarre leap to a strange, exaggerated conclusion?
Imagine if we were to utilise this form of logic for other judgment calls! If someone were to say, 'I see no reason why I should wear a bike helmet on public streets', then that person should instantly be relegated to the position of 'criminal and malcontent'? Quite a ridiculous assertion, to be sure, and this is the same form of thinking which you are using when you accuse me of being some sort of NCSoft (or whichever company designed this game) fanatic, simply because I supposed that a technical issue was caused by a player's computer and not by a game.
To your first paragraph. . . exactly. No, it does not seem a bizarre leap because I have yet to see recognize any problems with the game engine. Anything you say about it is pretty much followed up with a "yeah, but your computer...." or "but my really old computer works so......".
Yeah, just as much I never mentioned the company sucked, you completely ignored that they have no problems whatsoever, placing the blame squarely on the player.
I need some to ignore the crappy 20fps(from 30-60 in I7) I am currently playing at even after updating drivers and putting back the -renderthread in the shortcut so it uses both cores.
I am sincerely apologetic for your technical issues with the game, and I hope that they become resolved. I have several computers, my main desktop being a new, supposedly top-of-the-line Dell XPS. On my main computer, of course, every game I own runs smoothly. However, on my older computers, which I still have lying around in other parts of the house (because, as we all know, old computers are ridiculously difficult to rid oneself of), City of Heroes/Villains still runs very well. I do have to reduce the graphical settings considerably in order to not experience video lag problems on the older PCs, but once the settings are adjusted, the game runs fine. Of course, in no way am I suggesting that my experiences are going to be the same as everyone elses'. Regardless, I firmly guess that the problem lies with your PC, as I have no doubt that it cannot be nearly as awful as some of my older computers.
*sigh, you started off well but here again you make large assumptions that I have done nothing to address the issue. And again, you place the blame squarely on me as if I'm an engineer and there is some secret gremlin that affects ONLY CoX. Yes, I have read people that still play fine with their old computers but most of them don't report their FPS either. Some do and get around 30fps. You have no idea what router I have or how I have optimized it for CoH nor whether I have turned off all background settings, turned off my firewall, played with many combinations of settings, etc continues to illustrate your lack to find any fault with the game engine. Despite all the evidence in the official threads and the issues I have addressed it is only your fault that you choose to believe I cannot possibly have technical issue that result from the game not my computer.
Your older computer situation is re-inforcing your claim that since you have tested multiple configurations that any other computer could NOT POSSIBLY have an issue due to the game engine. Your continued harping on what you have compared to others is leading me to believe I was correct in my first assumption, whether knee-jerk or not.
Yes,telling everyone to stay away because they will have the same tech issues is exaggerated but you are making no less a bloated claim and hopefully readers will recognize that. This game does have some performance issues and if read the official forums enough to see the devs have acknowledged this then you wouldn't be spouting such false info.
A reader who actually pays attention and understands my words, in contrast to reacting emotionally to them, should be able to recognise that not only was my post speaking of my personal experiences, but also I was only offering a suggestion and comment, not the absurd statement that there never are any technical issues from the game itself.
If there is a great degree of confusion, then assuredly I am at fault as a writer and should have expressed myself more clearly. But, after rereading my original post several times now before and during this response to you, I am not able to find any obvious marker which could cause misunderstanding for anyone who reads and understands the English language.
Ahh, here we go with the disclaimer again with thinly veiled insults. Congratulations on your grasp of the English language and experience in forum 'posting'. I understood you just fine but you after this entire essay you wrote you still say it's my computer. Nice diatribe while still continuing your agenda against players that 'don't have your problems'.

I hope these explanations and comments clear up any difficulty of understanding my original post or my beliefs concerning this issue. If you wish for further communication, then you need but respond. I respectfully request that you do so in a less hostile and more civilised tone, however.
I could ask the same but I will just get more disclaimers you are being civilized while making insults in the very same paragraph. Well, I guess they are civlized insults so I will give you that much. The only thing you made clear is your belief that is that it is still the players fault just because you don't have problems. Your grasp of the English language appears fine yet your selective reading needs work.

tute · December 2006

Oh and let me make my own disclaimer before certain people jump to conclusions.

CoX is a GREAT game!!!!

For me, it has just been marred by performance issues since the CoV engine was released. Other than that, I would say 5 50s and over 40 characters on multiple servers would say how much I like this game. It has kept my interest longer than any other MMO. It is definitely a beautiful looking game and other MMOs could take note of the combat it introduced.

Regardless of 'other' people, I can confidently say it is not just my machine as has been proved by others over time and confirmed by the Devs own admission that they have performance issues Official Thread: FX & Frame Rate Issues

RomanStoic · December 2006

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tute · December 2006

Originally posted by RomanStoic

My source are very experienced players that are much more technical than myself such as BillZ and Wolf_Shadow as mentioned previously. Oh, did I mention an official thread that was opened for I8 performance issues? Yeah, that was opened JUST for the sake of telling people that it's only their computer. Oh and please disregard Posi's comment that people provide feedback on "splats"(graphics that hug the terrain such as Steamy Mist) because they(the Devs) are trying to address performance.

This is all well and good, but you did not really answer my question. To remind you, I asked for the source of your 'For every computer that does not have a problem you can find someone that does' generalisation. Your response does not show this source. Certainly, you name a few people and cite some forum posts, but does any of this really prove that the exact number of people who have problems with the game equals the exact number of people who do not have technical problems? For example, by your generalisation, if fifty people played the game, twenty-five would have problems and twenty-five would not. As you can clearly see, your generalisation is absurd and has no support. Of course some people have problems running the game, either as a result of their machines or the game itself. But it's ridiculous for you to make an over-arching statement that the number of people who can play the game perfectly well equals the number of people who cannot. Do you understand the point I am trying to make about your exaggerations?

Start listing names and I will go find mine. Again, selective reading and you chose to not see evidence that exists right now. Your numbers are no more than exact than mine so nice strawman argument. Also, I see no exaggeration of mine as Cryptic has admitted to the performance issue and were asking for players help to troubleshoot the problem. What more evidence you expect beyond that only serves to point out your own exaggerations. I can be of no help further than than but please continue to ignore it.

If you want to completely ignore the forum postings as evidence then now I see you are very biased and there will be nothing I can present to sway your opinion even a little.

All right, allow me to reiterate my entire point.

My point:

1. I have not had any technical issues with the game on any of my computers, even really slow and awful ones. Therefore, my personal experiences with the game have been fine.

2. I offered a suggestion to the topic creator which may resolve his problem. Or, it may not. Perhaps the game really is the trouble; nowhere have I ever discounted this. I have only said, rather, that judging from my own experiences, technical issues are primarily derived from the computer on which one is attempting to play the game.

3. Nowhere have I said that the game cannot be at fault; only that I believe in many cases the players' computers are the reason for technical issues. This belief may be mistaken, but it's quite logical and valid, as it could also very well be correct.

4. The topic creator made a ridiculous pronouncement that other potential players of City of Heroes should stay away simply because of his technical issues, which may or may not be caused by his own system. I checked him on this.
Does this clarify my message?

I didn't bother reading most of your post but:

1. That's good to narrow that down for readers.

2. Again, that is good to point out directly to readers.

3. Agree to disagree on this point as I have already pointed out MY experiences and others on more powerful rigs and numerous threads where players have tried different solutions and really dedicated players have PM'd the devs. Also, logical and valid complaints to the contrary have been made. Please do not discount the hard work people like BillZ and Wolf_Shadow have done to address player performance issues yet continue to have to do so each issue, making headway with devs to address the problems when they can.

4. Yep, he pretty much admitted as much but does not discount performance issues with the GAME ENGINE.

Yep.

(and at this point I am selectively reading your post as I've already said what I can say on the issue and will let the readers take it for what they will. I neither love the devs unconditionally nor hate them utterly. this is the only real problem I have experienced on a continual basis through eash update, as have others.)

RomanStoic · December 2006

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Shayde · December 2006

Call me a fanboi or not, but I haven't had a CTD since a month after CoV launched.

I8 rocked.

But hey.. don't let the door ht you on the ass and all.

tute · December 2006

It's real simple Roman because no matter how you keep trying to say you recognize the game might have technical issues, just about every paragraph is filled with the same theme such as below:

Nowhere have I said that the game cannot be at fault; only that I believe in many cases the players' computers are the reason for technical issues. This belief may be mistaken, but it's quite logical and valid, as it could also very well be absolutely correct.

No matter how you keep spinning your words, this theme is prevalent in your arguements so I have a hard time accepting anything else you say. The opinion that your computers have no issues thus it is most likely the player's rig is an exaggeration.

Also, since you want to claim a 50/50 ratio, then let's start bringing forum names. You list one person that has no problems and I will list people that have had issues regardless of the configurations and/or what they have done to address the issue. I highly doubt you know 50% of the subscribers, so your 50/50 argument was another exaggeration on you part. All I said was give me some names and I will do the same(thus the percentages can speak for themselves).

I'm still not buying that you are compromising in you beliefs that Cryptic is without technical fault. You spin a good tale but the end message is always the same.

docupuncture · December 2006

I will add my self to the list 3x

3 computers no problems running CoX

I am not a fanboi and i do have problems with CoX but they are not performance issues. They are minor

Celestian · December 2006

I played beta CoH and about a year of release (I left after the big purple nerf) and crashes never were the problem. Granted the game gets repetitive because there is only so much you can do to missions but really, crashing is why you quit?

I dunno, sounds like it took you 24 hours to cancel, I bougt AC to try it out between other games and I lasted... seriously no lie, 10 minutes.

I logged in, started some really horrible tutorial, couldn't believe how crappy the graphics were and cancelled. This was before any of the high end graphic games came out so I'm not really anal about graphics. It was just really horrible when compared to even EQ1 at release.

CoH needs to be sucked up by SoE so I can have access to it in my all access pass. It'd be the only way I'd play it or buy any expansions.

Xeroshadow · December 2006

How about you both go outside, read a book, something, anything.....just get away from the computer! Yeeesh!

Talk about a useless thread...

tute · December 2006

Originally posted by docupuncture

I will add my self to the list 3x
3 computers no problems running CoX
I am not a fanboi and i do have problems with CoX but they are not performance issues. They are minor

Proof?

docupuncture · December 2006

which proof are you looking for? That I have 3 comps that run fine? or that I am not a fan? or that I have other issues that are minor?

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