Originally posted by dorobu I'm going to keep this short, simple, and to the point. This is a joke. 2006 awards with 3 or 4 categories only offering Eve and WoW. Give me a break. At least give use the damn trashcan for those topics.
Even as a fan of EVE, I strongly agree.
A WoW vs EVE battle is utterly stupid. There are multiple categories for a reason. At least give us more than 2 or 3 per category!
Whatever the voting this year results in, it'll definitely be a farce.
It would be preferable the next time you do polls that have only two choices that a third 'None of The Above' be added, i notice in one of the categories you did do this. I would like to register a vote but since neither of the choices would have been my preference I ended up voting for the game i disliked the least. If many people think the same way as me you are going to end up with results that are not truly indicative of what your members think.
Originally posted by Naar I could seriously care less WHO wins as long as it had at least the APPEARACE of being legit. clicking through the final votes and seeing only two games is LAME no matter how you slice it. I thought the editors where going to add in a nominee in each catagory and filter out games that simply don't belong? Sure they got the most vote but you need to at least include anoother choice at least. Claiming they were the top voters by a huge margin then having ANOTHER Vote just between them is retarded at best.
Well said Naar.
I actually found myself backtracking to the intro page to re-read what I was voting for, and whether it was not just the Best Of Two Awards or something.
Very silly way to hold a vote imo. These 'extremist' communities (EVE, Vanguard etc) could get everyone to flood the initial votes, and then you get what we got here for the final votes. By using only the highest % winners or whatever, I highly doubt you used a balance of the mmorpg.com community, but rather a 'who can drum up the most support' rigged awards thing...
I understand you saying how it's also about drawing people to your site, but I think it's fair to say this was an experiment that went drastically wrong, and doesn't have a positive effect overall. Why not just keep it 'simple' and list the top 5+ percentage winners or something. I highly doubt EVE and WoW got 100% of the vote between them...
Better luck next year MMORPG.com, and you fail outright for not having Hero's Journey on the Most Anticipated list anyways!
"(The) Iraqi people owe the American people a huge debt of gratitude." - George W Bush. Oh. My. God.
Well im interested in seeing the award winners...well not really because we all know EVE is gonna win every category, except for maybe best story which Ryzom should win, hey i got an idea you should rename this site to EVEfanboiMMORPG.com
It's obvious to me the voting here is primarily done by those who do not frequent this site that often and rather by those coming in from voting campaigns for EVE and WoW. WoW has the massive player base and EVE has the centralized, organized community.
I doubt more than 15% of voters have played more than their primary MMOG and perhaps one other in the last year. Maybe 10% have played others longer than a 10 hour trial.
Reader's Choice Awards are the Best Organized Playerbase Awards
Originally posted by Parsifal57 It would be preferable the next time you do polls that have only two choices that a third 'None of The Above' be added, i notice in one of the categories you did do this. I would like to register a vote but since neither of the choices would have been my preference I ended up voting for the game i disliked the least. If many people think the same way as me you are going to end up with results that are not truly indicative of what your members think.
I have to agree here. With such limited choices per category I believe that every category has come down to a popularity match, not a true match about graphics or whatnot. Especially considering the titles that made it to best graphics and best pvp.
Extra points to the editors for being open to fine tune the process, but however they choose to do it, I enjoy the process. Both the voting and of course reading the results.
I think the issue of so many categories being limited to EVE vs WoW has more to do with 2006 having been a weak year for new MMOs. I suspect next year will give us more choices, no matter how the editors set up the voting.
I'm not exactly sure how you picked the nominees for this, but seriously, WoW and Eve in almost all the categories? It should be every popular mmorpg out now not the two most popular.
If we'd want to give everyone a choice (not WoW or EVE), then i think we should get rid of the "finalists" option. I think that would work up to a point.
So far, the only category i found remotely interesting was "most anticipated games".
Anyway..Now i'm just looking forward to Editor's Choice Awards
Eve wins again, big suprise when a game dosn't require you to be there to gain skills, you can have a ton of downtime with that title so allot come on forums etc. Obviously allot of Eve players at this site. Maybe you should rename it MMORPGEVE. COM lol.
"The monster created isn't by the company that makes the game, it's by the fans that make it something it never was"
I don't understand why the people that hate EVE can't see its good points. Sure it has it's weak spots just like any other game but as far as PVP and Story go you can't beat EVE. Especially on story. EVE should win that category hands down. I love Ryzom but it's story isn't half as interesting or in depth as EVE's ever evolving lore. The one thing i don't understand is how it can be in the best PVE category. EVE's PVE is barely better than Korean point and click potion spamfests. Only barely.
Found myself voting EVE on most of them, just to vote against WoW (i liked EVE, but i haven't played it in years - there are better MMOs out there, but WoW is just silly). might be enlightening to add a 'none of the above' on every category next year - though of course you run the risk of having a rather depressing results announcement.
Also, no Darkfall Online in the 'Anticipated' category. Bah!
It's not funny, it's not clever, and it WILL break if you play with it.
My question is if these really are the MMORPG readers choice awards. What I mean by that is was there anything to prevent someone from creating an account and voting?
Maybe next year you should limit the voting to people who have at least 20 posts. I also think you should have a none of the above category as well as only have one round of voting. None of this finalist garbage.
Also you have said that last year you had open voting. That is not true at all. You had a limited set of choices.
Originally posted by checkthis500 I personally found it strange that EVE got voted in for best PvE. The game is amazing, but PvE it just doesn't have. Eh, oh well. If they win out, I'll definitely laugh.
I agree. I am an avid supporter of EVE Online and I did no rate it's PvE as mentionable. It needs a huge amount of improvement before it's on par with other games. Dungeon & Dragons Online has awesomely narrated PvE which is probally the best I've experianced. Too bad there wasn't pre-cu SWG servers or it would be winning some of these categories.
World of Warcraft deserves honorable mention for the best questing experiance regardless of what is awarded to it.
There's a nasty type-o on the graphics portion of the polls. It incorrectly refers to EVE's future "directX9" when it should be "DirectX10".
One thing that confuses me is how WoW is getting mentioned for it's graphics when Guildwars and EQ2 are far superior. Of course I think WoW is overall better even though the detail is inferior. To me that's one sign of a good game. (I do not like the game play in WoW while I am able to acknoledge it's overall quality, or lack thereof)
Originally posted by Copeland I don't understand why the people that hate EVE can't see its good points. Sure it has it's weak spots just like any other game but as far as PVP and Story go you can't beat EVE. Especially on story. EVE should win that category hands down. I love Ryzom but it's story isn't half as interesting or in depth as EVE's ever evolving lore. The one thing i don't understand is how it can be in the best PVE category. EVE's PVE is barely better than Korean point and click potion spamfests. Only barely.
I agree.
for the inability to identify quality you simpily have to look at some of the posts to see why this is:
"Eve wins again, big suprise when a game dosn't require you to be there to gain skills, you can have a ton of downtime with that title so allot come on forums etc. Obviously allot of Eve players at this site. Maybe you should rename it MMORPGEVE. COM lol."
There's nothing wrong with that quoted view. Some kids haven't had the opportunity to experiance quality. Growing up on McDonalds cheesburgers is a crime agasint humanity. Even then, puberty is possibly years away for some of them...
Originally posted by sleepyguyftl My question is if these really are the MMORPG readers choice awards. What I mean by that is was there anything to prevent someone from creating an account and voting?Maybe next year you should limit the voting to people who have at least 20 posts. I also think you should have a none of the above category as well as only have one round of voting. None of this finalist garbage. Also you have said that last year you had open voting. That is not true at all. You had a limited set of choices.
Considering the complaints about all the eve threads in the general forum section I would say that a large part of this community are either eve players or at least people that find eve a good game even if it doesn't fit them.
If I look at the forum sections here only the following games have more posts than EVE Dark and Light, Everquest 2, Guild Wars, Starwars Galaxies and World of Warcraft.
DnL, EVE and GW are all very close to each other in posts.
I kind of doubt Starwars Galaxies are going to get many votes, that leaves just 2 games that can be said to have a larger community on this site which might vote for it than EVE and both those are represented in the finals. Dark and Light is the only Top 5 size community on this site that is not represented in the finals.
"Memories are meant to fade. They're designed that way for a reason."
being an eve player myself (and sadly not a very active partisipant of this site), I mostly just lurk, sorry guys for nto being as outspoken as I should be sometimes lol. I can honestly say that there are people in EVE that love the PvE... yah there really are, even I've been known to enjoy mission running (eve's best version of PvE) with a few friends well into the night. And i personaly dont' like WoWs PvE...at all... I think it's mindless and boring (having gotten one character high enough in WoW to know that I don't like it).
This responce is more to show that there are people in EVE that would actualy vote for the PvE honestly. Especialy since there are some corps (guilds) and even aliences(guilds of guilds) that are ENTIRELY mission-running oriented (and/or RP and don't mind mission running cause they scream wierd stuff over voice).
As for our community, I think it's really strong. The community is what makes eve eve, so almost all of us (read majority) participate in outside activities from eve or other things in eve. Considering EVE is a sanbox game this really shouldnt' come as much of a surprise to the kinds of actions that players take.
;-) And yes, a lot of us actualy DO read this site, that's why that news article gets posted on the EVE webby. Though many of us (on this site) I fear are like myself, lurkers :-P.
P.S.: This year was horrible MMO wise, I found myself trying all the MMOs that came out this year only to be SORELY dissapointed. it was so sad, hopefully 07 will make up for it.
So many people trash the PVE in eve but really these are mostly (yeah i'm assuming) peopl,e who havn't spent much time out in 0.0 space working with gang mates, command ships, and so on trying to assault a complex or find new complexes with exploration... or salvage, build rigs, harvest gas clouds and so on. Granted these are new but they are there
Eve pvp may not come close to the politics, pvp, and infrastructure of the game but.. it sure beats "LFG!"
edit: erk, not to mention all the empire stuff: Missions, research, invention, mining (ergh), production, trade, market/contract playing, margin-profiting, share-broking (100% player driven but it's there) COSMOS, POS reactions, moon harvesting, outpost construction (massively large-scale but doable) and so on..
I read these comments and I am amazed, why are we bashing an MMORPG that is succeeding? First the PVE argument, NO game has good PVE, in the end they are all grind. Eve however continues to expand their PVE, giving it more depth and options that any other game in my experience.
Next the complaint that they called for votes on their forum. The response should be an indicatior of how loyal and strong their player base is. Now if thier base is that strong they must have a fairly impressive game.
Eve offers an opened ended and depth of play that none of the others truly touch. Plus CCP as a company is second to NONE in supporting their base. Add to this a player base that has gone forward and created a magazine, 2 radio stations, TV coverage, the list can go on a long time. NO game has ever had this level of player base support, the question is why? The answer is easy, Eve is the BEST MMORPG out right now.
Originally posted by F'lar I for one find EVE's PvE fun. True it does not even come close to PvP and honestly should not even be compared to it, but PvE can be interesting if played with low end ships and equipment. Not to mention with the instanced areas that abound throuout the whole game universe give even beginning players a chance to see some of the best and biggest explosions in any MMO.
here is no such thing as an instance in EVE.
An Instance would be, you and I warp to a complex, I enter it, then you enter it, and we each have our own version to play in.
In EVE, if you warp into a complex, odds are I'm coming in to kill you or ransom you if it's lowsec.
Originally posted by dorobu I'm going to keep this short, simple, and to the point. This is a joke. 2006 awards with 3 or 4 categories only offering Eve and WoW. Give me a break. At least give use the damn trashcan for those topics.
As the guy already said, the trashcan still wouldn't make a difference.
If you have 35% of the votes for WoW, 45% of the votes for EVE, and the remaining 20% are in the trashcan, or abstain because of no trashcan, the results are still the same.
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A WoW vs EVE battle is utterly stupid. There are multiple categories for a reason. At least give us more than 2 or 3 per category!
Whatever the voting this year results in, it'll definitely be a farce.
Why wasn't there a "None of the Above" on ALL of those votes? The only time I spotted it was when Eve and WoW WEREN'T in the options
It would be preferable the next time you do polls that have only two choices that a third 'None of The Above' be added, i notice in one of the categories you did do this. I would like to register a vote but since neither of the choices would have been my preference I ended up voting for the game i disliked the least. If many people think the same way as me you are going to end up with results that are not truly indicative of what your members think.
Well said Naar.
I actually found myself backtracking to the intro page to re-read what I was voting for, and whether it was not just the Best Of Two Awards or something.
Very silly way to hold a vote imo. These 'extremist' communities (EVE, Vanguard etc) could get everyone to flood the initial votes, and then you get what we got here for the final votes.
By using only the highest % winners or whatever, I highly doubt you used a balance of the mmorpg.com community, but rather a 'who can drum up the most support' rigged awards thing...
I understand you saying how it's also about drawing people to your site, but I think it's fair to say this was an experiment that went drastically wrong, and doesn't have a positive effect overall.
Why not just keep it 'simple' and list the top 5+ percentage winners or something. I highly doubt EVE and WoW got 100% of the vote between them...
Better luck next year MMORPG.com, and you fail outright for not having Hero's Journey on the Most Anticipated list anyways!
"(The) Iraqi people owe the American people a huge debt of gratitude." - George W Bush.
Oh. My. God.
Well im interested in seeing the award winners...well not really because we all know EVE is gonna win every category, except for maybe best story which Ryzom should win, hey i got an idea you should rename this site to EVEfanboiMMORPG.com
It's obvious to me the voting here is primarily done by those who do not frequent this site that often and rather by those coming in from voting campaigns for EVE and WoW. WoW has the massive player base and EVE has the centralized, organized community.
I doubt more than 15% of voters have played more than their primary MMOG and perhaps one other in the last year. Maybe 10% have played others longer than a 10 hour trial.
Reader's Choice Awards are the Best Organized Playerbase Awards
-doro
The outpouring of EVE hate is amazing. Where were all of these people during the nominations? And how many of these will now vote 'anything but EVE'?
My games didn't make it and I voted...big deal. Get over it.
I may actually try EVE just to see if the hate is justified.
I think the issue of so many categories being limited to EVE vs WoW has more to do with 2006 having been a weak year for new MMOs. I suspect next year will give us more choices, no matter how the editors set up the voting.
If we'd want to give everyone a choice (not WoW or EVE), then i think we should get rid of the "finalists" option. I think that would work up to a point.
So far, the only category i found remotely interesting was "most anticipated games".
Anyway..Now i'm just looking forward to Editor's Choice Awards
"The monster created isn't by the company that makes the game, it's by the fans that make it something it never was"
I don't understand why the people that hate EVE can't see its good points. Sure it has it's weak spots just like any other game but as far as PVP and Story go you can't beat EVE. Especially on story. EVE should win that category hands down. I love Ryzom but it's story isn't half as interesting or in depth as EVE's ever evolving lore. The one thing i don't understand is how it can be in the best PVE category. EVE's PVE is barely better than Korean point and click potion spamfests. Only barely.
Make a difference!
Found myself voting EVE on most of them, just to vote against WoW (i liked EVE, but i haven't played it in years - there are better MMOs out there, but WoW is just silly). might be enlightening to add a 'none of the above' on every category next year - though of course you run the risk of having a rather depressing results announcement.
Also, no Darkfall Online in the 'Anticipated' category. Bah!
It's not funny, it's not clever, and it WILL break if you play with it.
-Zeke
Maybe next year you should limit the voting to people who have at least 20 posts. I also think you should have a none of the above category as well as only have one round of voting. None of this finalist garbage.
Also you have said that last year you had open voting. That is not true at all. You had a limited set of choices.
I agree. I am an avid supporter of EVE Online and I did no rate it's PvE as mentionable. It needs a huge amount of improvement before it's on par with other games. Dungeon & Dragons Online has awesomely narrated PvE which is probally the best I've experianced. Too bad there wasn't pre-cu SWG servers or it would be winning some of these categories.
World of Warcraft deserves honorable mention for the best questing experiance regardless of what is awarded to it.
There's a nasty type-o on the graphics portion of the polls. It incorrectly refers to EVE's future "directX9" when it should be "DirectX10".
One thing that confuses me is how WoW is getting mentioned for it's graphics when Guildwars and EQ2 are far superior. Of course I think WoW is overall better even though the detail is inferior. To me that's one sign of a good game. (I do not like the game play in WoW while I am able to acknoledge it's overall quality, or lack thereof)
I agree.
for the inability to identify quality you simpily have to look at some of the posts to see why this is:
"Eve wins again, big suprise when a game dosn't require you to be there to gain skills, you can have a ton of downtime with that title so allot come on forums etc. Obviously allot of Eve players at this site. Maybe you should rename it MMORPGEVE. COM lol."
There's nothing wrong with that quoted view. Some kids haven't had the opportunity to experiance quality. Growing up on McDonalds cheesburgers is a crime agasint humanity. Even then, puberty is possibly years away for some of them...
If I look at the forum sections here only the following games have more posts than EVE
Dark and Light, Everquest 2, Guild Wars, Starwars Galaxies and World of Warcraft.
DnL, EVE and GW are all very close to each other in posts.
I kind of doubt Starwars Galaxies are going to get many votes, that leaves just 2 games that can be said to have a larger community on this site which might vote for it than EVE and both those are represented in the finals.
Dark and Light is the only Top 5 size community on this site that is not represented in the finals.
"Memories are meant to fade. They're designed that way for a reason."
This responce is more to show that there are people in EVE that would actualy vote for the PvE honestly. Especialy since there are some corps (guilds) and even aliences(guilds of guilds) that are ENTIRELY mission-running oriented (and/or RP and don't mind mission running cause they scream wierd stuff over voice).
As for our community, I think it's really strong. The community is what makes eve eve, so almost all of us (read majority) participate in outside activities from eve or other things in eve. Considering EVE is a sanbox game this really shouldnt' come as much of a surprise to the kinds of actions that players take.
;-) And yes, a lot of us actualy DO read this site, that's why that news article gets posted on the EVE webby. Though many of us (on this site) I fear are like myself, lurkers :-P.
P.S.: This year was horrible MMO wise, I found myself trying all the MMOs that came out this year only to be SORELY dissapointed. it was so sad, hopefully 07 will make up for it.
Hope this Helps,
Aselus
So many people trash the PVE in eve but really these are mostly (yeah i'm assuming) peopl,e who havn't spent much time out in 0.0 space working with gang mates, command ships, and so on trying to assault a complex or find new complexes with exploration... or salvage, build rigs, harvest gas clouds and so on. Granted these are new but they are there
Eve pvp may not come close to the politics, pvp, and infrastructure of the game but.. it sure beats "LFG!"
edit: erk, not to mention all the empire stuff: Missions, research, invention, mining (ergh), production, trade, market/contract playing, margin-profiting, share-broking (100% player driven but it's there) COSMOS, POS reactions, moon harvesting, outpost construction (massively large-scale but doable) and so on..
I read these comments and I am amazed, why are we bashing an MMORPG that is succeeding? First the PVE argument, NO game has good PVE, in the end they are all grind. Eve however continues to expand their PVE, giving it more depth and options that any other game in my experience.
Next the complaint that they called for votes on their forum. The response should be an indicatior of how loyal and strong their player base is. Now if thier base is that strong they must have a fairly impressive game.
Eve offers an opened ended and depth of play that none of the others truly touch. Plus CCP as a company is second to NONE in supporting their base. Add to this a player base that has gone forward and created a magazine, 2 radio stations, TV coverage, the list can go on a long time. NO game has ever had this level of player base support, the question is why? The answer is easy, Eve is the BEST MMORPG out right now.
An Instance would be, you and I warp to a complex, I enter it, then you enter it, and we each have our own version to play in.
In EVE, if you warp into a complex, odds are I'm coming in to kill you or ransom you if it's lowsec.
If you have 35% of the votes for WoW, 45% of the votes for EVE, and the remaining 20% are in the trashcan, or abstain because of no trashcan, the results are still the same.