I have to say it, although I know it's been said before.
All of you folks who are ragging on the "READER'S CHOICE" votes need to rethink YOUR position. This is the READER'S CHOICE. It doesn't have to make sense (as in some cases it does not). It truly does give you a great opportunity to see what the community is made up of. Knowing now what the community here is made up of, don't you think it silly to rip all of those people a new one?
Too often I see people flaying the staff and moderators here for topics that are beyond their control. I believe I read another post somewhere in the 18 pages of posts here, that also said what I'm about to...
MMORPG.com puts this vote up for the benefit of its readership. They are not forced to, it's a service they provide to promote discussion (and obviously it worked!). I highly doubt that they would have "rigged" the vote - that's just plain stupid.
So I guess my point is, stop complaining about how horrible it is and rigged and blah blah blah, etc etc etc. Instead, take comfort in the fact that we have a staff and moderators here that take the time to ask the readership what THEY think, whether it makes sense or not. Come on people, give credit where credit is due at least!
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Originally posted by Naar Ok I'd like to be the first to say that your desicion to use open voting then only take the game that got 10% for finals voting made this the lamest Reader's Choice awards I've ever seen. Sure people complained last time that you bascially told them who they could vote for but you made it a hundred time worse. You might as well call it the EVE vs WoW awards...you seriously need to re think this entire process if this is the result.
Obviously, the way things worked out was not ideal, but ultimately, this is the Reader's Choice Awards. We cannot stop them from voting for EVE and WOW.
Next year, I suspect we'll revisit the format again.
Don't know if anyone remembers Jethro Tull beating out Metallica for the new Heavy Metal category at the grammy's. Yeah, this award contest is just like that...
Originally posted by Maxzius Originally posted by Lepidus Originally posted by Naar Ok I'd like to be the first to say that your desicion to use open voting then only take the game that got 10% for finals voting made this the lamest Reader's Choice awards I've ever seen. Sure people complained last time that you bascially told them who they could vote for but you made it a hundred time worse. You might as well call it the EVE vs WoW awards...you seriously need to re think this entire process if this is the result.
Obviously, the way things worked out was not ideal, but ultimately, this is the Reader's Choice Awards. We cannot stop them from voting for EVE and WOW.Next year, I suspect we'll revisit the format again.You'd better because this is a joke.
Actually, I believe that by him saying they will "Revisit the format again" - that means they're going to use the same format again next year - but please correct me if I'm wrong.
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Let's see... WoW vs EVE is what it boils down to for the most part...
WoW: Aging graphics engine (no updates in sight) Popular for anyone who can point and click. (easy to play) PVE - Nice, but you're really playing a PVP game PVP - Have you seen the WoW South Park episode? Nuff said... End game in 6-18months. Players cannot add/change game content Clogged servers, 10k User limit per server instance Players - A LOT of subscribers, but limited by server instancing
EVE: Aging graphics engine (complete client update due before Summer) Popular for tech heads (you have to think) PVE - roughly a fifteen hundred PVE/nonPVP star system to go through PVP - roughly 3500 PVP starsystems run by players (more MMO's should take notes, this is PVP done right) Players can add/change game content. No forseeable endgame (no skill cap, no limit on ability) Single cluster server, no user limit (still holding the PCL record!! 32k+) Players - Some subscribers, but all play together, same server
Normally I post an annual rant on WoW's under 2 year lifespan, but I'll let the bullet points above speak for themselves.
My only add-on is that CCP (EVE) is VERY responsive to its player base, including inviting all subscribers to use the Beta server cluster to help test/opinion/judge forthcoming game content additions and changes, as well as releasing a database dump of all the game content to help players make better support sites and generate their own tools for the game (both for in-game browser, and out of game utilities).
My time spent in WoW, I felt pretty ignored by Blizzard, they just scheduled content, and then scheduled bug fixes for content pretty much at will and without user interaction. Nice game, but I need more....
This method of voting is fundamentaly flawed. You only present two or three options, and only one of the categories includes a none of the above! So if in one category that has two voting options a game amases 55%, that is NOT to say that 55% of gamers choose that one! That is to say exactly this thing: Of the people that voted here, 55% of them choose game A over game B. This is not a vote of the year! This is a vote of the specific games. If you want to present awards for the best of 200X year, then present all games of the 200X year.
Originally posted by seePyou This method of voting is fundamentaly flawed. You only present two or three options, and only one of the categories includes a none of the above! So if in one category that has two voting options a game amases 55%, that is NOT to say that 55% of gamers choose that one! That is to say exactly this thing: Of the people that voted here, 55% of them choose game A over game B. This is not a vote of the year! This is a vote of the specific games. If you want to present awards for the best of 200X year, then present all games of the 200X year.Respectfully, seePyou
Actually.. they had preliminary voting as well in which you chose from a laundry list of games. It just so happens that of that laundry list, only two games had more than 10% of the votes. That's why the final vote only had EVE and WoW. It truly is the viewers choice... but nobody ever said the viewers knew what the heck they were talking about. Perfect example... George Bush is the president of the U.S.
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Actually.. they had preliminary voting as well in which you chose from a laundry list of games. It just so happens that of that laundry list, only two games had more than 10% of the votes. That's why the final vote only had EVE and WoW. It truly is the viewers choice... but nobody ever said the viewers knew what the heck they were talking about. Perfect example... George Bush is the president of the U.S.
That is exactly my point!
Either the voting must reflect the gamers participating in this site and the voting or it mustn't!
I find it VERY interesting (if it is true) that only two games gather more than 10%. That should be shown because that is the opinion of ALL the gamers in this vote!
As you mentioned G.W. Bush, let me put it in this way; all US citizens must choose between TWO parties. Is that to say that the american public only has two ideas of how their country should be lead? Granted that the system works by showing a clear majority; anyone with 50% plus wins. But that is not to say that were there OTHER political parties, people would not vote for them.
When presenting two choices, you are saying that all other choices are not valid, irrelevant. There were as much as 15-20 other games in the list; add a small percentage of, say, 4% to them and they gather a staggering 60% on average!
That is to say 60% of all gamers who voted are playing something DIFFERENT than WoW and EVE, and you dont thing that is worth showing? It would not even affect who is the leader, because, unlike a government, a game does not NEED to have 50% plus votes to win, it just need the highest percentage! But what it would do, is provide a better understanding of the GAMER's opinion on the games as a total of 2006. And that way we would not need an option "none of them", because one game of all the 2006 games must have the best graphics of the bunch.
Originally posted by seePyou That is exactly my point!Either the voting must reflect the gamers participating in this site and the voting or it mustn't!I find it VERY interesting (if it is true) that only two games gather more than 10%. That should be shown because that is the opinion of ALL the gamers in this vote!As you mentioned G.W. Bush, let me put it in this way; all US citizens must choose between TWO parties. Is that to say that the american public only has two ideas of how their country should be lead? Granted that the system works by showing a clear majority; anyone with 50% plus wins. But that is not to say that were there OTHER political parties, people would not vote for them.When presenting two choices, you are saying that all other choices are not valid, irrelevant. There were as much as 15-20 other games in the list; add a small percentage of, say, 4% to them and they gather a staggering 60% on average!That is to say 60% of all gamers who voted are playing something DIFFERENT than WoW and EVE, and you dont thing that is worth showing? It would not even affect who is the leader, because, unlike a government, a game does not NEED to have 50% plus votes to win, it just need the highest percentage! But what it would do, is provide a better understanding of the GAMER's opinion on the games as a total of 2006. And that way we would not need an option "none of them", because one game of all the 2006 games must have the best graphics of the bunch.Hope that clears things up a bit...
I hear you... and you're right. The voting system is totally flawed.
I agree with you and think it would be nice to see the list of games that were voted on from the preliminary vote and what the percentages were for each. From my standpoint I certainly did not vote EVE or WoW down the line. Good points all.
Hey MMORPG... you guys reading this?
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Still out on EVE, Im dont get it, played for 6 months the progression is based on how long you have a account open (MONEY PIT). no real skill lv'g system here.
Originally posted by curiousg63 Still out on EVE, Im dont get it, played for 6 months the progression is based on how long you have a account open (MONEY PIT). no real skill lv'g system here.
first one to actualy say this (afaik)... I once calculated how long it would take for an EVE player to learn all the stat skills and learning skills. It was something between 12 and 14 months; that is roughly a year and a month of not progressing AT ALL in the game, playing a subscription, only for the best chance to actualy start playing and advancing in the remaining skills faster (according to calculations, it would pay of withing another year...) It kind of gets to me... that is totaly my opinion of course. If I wanted to play EVE, this would be the way to play it for me, wait a year until I could start to play, the other choice was not realy a choice for me.
Clearly the problem here was that I wasn't checking the MMORPG.COM site enough and was too late to catch the preliminary voting, and I wager so were many others.
EVE and WoW are both classy games in their own way, but there ARE some other classy MMO's out there. I think it's a shame that this years voting was reduced to an EVE versus WoW debate, especially as they are so different in terms of gaming experience and are not really competing with each other imo.
I would like to see voting done possibly by genre (e.g. fantasy,sci-fi), and then an overall winner vote.
Regardless, we simply must have more options than EVE or WoW (at least give us the option to say "none of the above"). People do play more than EVE and WoW!
Originally posted by killkool Eve for the win, and not that children game WOW, where can be lvl 40 in two days.
LOL if your gona dis the biggest MMO in history atleast tell the truth, 40 in 2 days, show me proof (without cheating, but u can use a bot if u like) and ill give you £1000 and in not joking.
The truth is we all have opinons and in our heads the game we're currently playing is the best and the rest sux, and we'll all come up with all kinds of half truths and out right lies to support it.
Im currently playing WoW, and I have no plans to stops, I've dabbled with others along the way, City of heros, EvE, runescape, EQ1/2, DDO (should of been a great game) but wow had ticked all the boxes for me.
And down to the graphics of WoW which so many here say are crap and outdated. WoWuses HDRL (high dynamic range lighting) and pixel shaders so the gfx engine is far from outdated and compareing the gfx of WoW to EQ is stupid as both game have gone in 2 different directions in the gfx department, heres some shots of WoW:TBC, out dated realy?
WoW does not require a top spec Gfx card to get the gfx upto speed, I play with my 9800pro and I get a solid 40-50fps in the game with all gfx on full, EQ2 on the other hand handled like a tracker with 1 wheel with setting on medium and just looked awful, I have to bust it down to low-medium to get a good Frame rate.
Also, please try not to consider graphical upgrades or changes on the horizon, but only the graphics as they exist today.
Yet, there is a picture of a Draenei next to the WoW selection, which is a graphical representation of what it WILL be, not of what it is (for those unfamiliar with it, draenei will be unavailable until 2007, which means they are not representative of graphics that exist today).
Edit: While im at it, i might as well say that these pro-wow people (like the one above me) that flaunt WoW:TBC graphics need to keep quiet.
Originally posted by danzilla Slight problem with the graphics choice.It states that Also, please try not to consider graphical upgrades or changes on the horizon, but only the graphics as they exist today.
Yet, there is a picture of a Draenei next to the WoW selection, which is a graphical representation of what it WILL be, not of what it is (for those unfamiliar with it, draenei will be unavailable until 2007, which means they are not representative of graphics that exist today).
Edit: While im at it, i might as well say that these pro-wow people (like the one above me) that flaunt WoW:TBC graphics need to keep quiet.
The expanaion with the draenei as you pointed out is out in 3 weeks (jan 16th 2007), and the draenei are already in WoW, I can go and see them now in Stormwind or swamp of sorrows. You think blizz are goona change the graphics & redo whole enviroments 3 weeks b4 release?
Do some research dont try to be a smart ass, i clearly stated in my post these were TBC graphics, which FYI is using the same engine as WoW the only difference ive seen are the clouds are now more dymanic, b4 they would change shape etc but now in some zones they flow and race across the sky which has to be scene to be believed.
I was simply making a point to all who say Wow graphics are outdated I hope these few pics of just a small percentage of the WoW universe will make them look closer instead of repeating what others think and say.
WoW graphics might not be your cuppa tea but saying they are outdated is simply wrong.
To make the above poster happy here are some screens of WoW (not of the TBC expansion zones)
The expanaion with the draenei as you pointed out is out in 3 weeks (jan 16th 2007), and the draenei are already in WoW, I can go and see them now in Stormwind or swamp of sorrows. You think blizz are goona change the graphics & redo whole enviroments 3 weeks b4 release?
Do some research dont try to be a smart ass, i clearly stated in my post these were TBC graphics, which FYI is using the same engine as WoW the only difference ive seen are the clouds are now more dymanic, b4 they would change shape etc but now in some zones they flow and race across the sky which has to be scene to be believed.
I was simply making a point to all who say Wow graphics are outdated I hope these few pics of just a small percentage of the WoW universe will make them look closer instead of repeating what others think and say.
WoW graphics might not be your cuppa tea but saying they are outdated is simply wrong.
I'm going to say this just once.
Screenshots presented to the public by a game company can not be used to judge a games graphics.
I've played wow since beta back in '04. I have also played eve for about half as long. So dont get me wrong, i love both games, but I have NEVER been able to get my WoW screen to look like Blizzards screenshots, but when i tried eve almost a year ago now, i loaded it up and went WTF. Why? Cause it looked like the adds.
Also, although i hate to admit it, WoWs graphics are indeed abit outdated. Warcrafts graphic engine was created back in 2002, about the same time as Eve's was. The only difference is that CCP continually updates EVEs graphics along with the engine, while Blizzard has provided no such update since launch. WoW's graphic look good, but they are not top notch at all anymore. I admit i feel bad when i play halo 2, and the graphics there are better then wows. It's a console game ffs.
And hell, on thier last patch, blizz couldnt even get their game to keep green and white seperate on items.
Eve for the win, and not that children game WOW, where can be lvl 40 in two days.
LOL if your gona dis the biggest MMO in history atleast tell the truth, 40 in 2 days, show me proof (without cheating, but u can use a bot if u like) and ill give you £1000 and in not joking.
Without cheating? Easy.
Or is your idea of 'cheating', interaction with other players?
Even then, I can think of a friend friends who play WoW, that would be more than happy to take your money, not that you'd pay.
Slight problem with the graphics choice. It states that
Also, please try not to consider graphical upgrades or changes on the horizon, but only the graphics as they exist today.
Yet, there is a picture of a Draenei next to the WoW selection, which is a graphical representation of what it WILL be, not of what it is (for those unfamiliar with it, draenei will be unavailable until 2007, which means they are not representative of graphics that exist today).
Edit: While im at it, i might as well say that these pro-wow people (like the one above me) that flaunt WoW:TBC graphics need to keep quiet.
The expanaion with the draenei as you pointed out is out in 3 weeks (jan 16th 2007), and the draenei are already in WoW, I can go and see them now in Stormwind or swamp of sorrows. You think blizz are goona change the graphics & redo whole enviroments 3 weeks b4 release?
Do some research dont try to be a smart ass, i clearly stated in my post these were TBC graphics, which FYI is using the same engine as WoW the only difference ive seen are the clouds are now more dymanic, b4 they would change shape etc but now in some zones they flow and race across the sky which has to be scene to be believed.
I was simply making a point to all who say Wow graphics are outdated I hope these few pics of just a small percentage of the WoW universe will make them look closer instead of repeating what others think and say.
WoW graphics might not be your cuppa tea but saying they are outdated is simply wrong.
To make the above poster happy here are some screens of WoW (not of the TBC expansion zones)
WoW's graphics even once they are updated, will be average at best, and to be honest, they will suck for todays standards, pure and simple.
If you want to claim the WoW Graphic update will make it look better than EVE, then save yourself some embarassment and don't speak, because the graphics overhaul CCP is doing is just a tad more of an upgrade than what Blizzard is doing.
And as the other guy said, stop trying to use Blizzard's renders to show what the game will look like.
Renders posted by a game company always look better than what you will have as a player. I hae old Gaming magizines with some of the first pictures ever released of Warcraft 3, when it was first announced, and they look better than the max settings you'll use on a top-end PC today.
how where these chosen as finalists? Advertising revenue? Number of shills paid to pad the vote? rabid fanbois with mutlple accounts block voting? Why didnt you just run a poll of "which do you prefer - WoW or EVE"
How about in all th eemails i get from this site one highlighting the fact that a selection vote was going on?
Eve for the win, and not that children game WOW, where can be lvl 40 in two days.
LOL if your gona dis the biggest MMO in history atleast tell the truth, 40 in 2 days, show me proof (without cheating, but u can use a bot if u like) and ill give you £1000 and in not joking.
I know you will not pay, but I'd just like to shut you up...
What will follow is a screencap from the video taken by Joana. If you dont know who Joana is, he is a player that goes in new WoW servers and gets 60 first. His goal is to see how quick he can do it. His best time is 4d 20h. He has frapped his entire gameplay and is currently selling a guide for leveling 1-60. Those who buy the guide also get access to the videos. I bought the guide.
In the following image you can see him hitting lvl40 in 1d 22h 6m 57sec.
Eve for the win, and not that children game WOW, where can be lvl 40 in two days.
LOL if your gona dis the biggest MMO in history atleast tell the truth, 40 in 2 days, show me proof (without cheating, but u can use a bot if u like) and ill give you £1000 and in not joking.
I know you will not pay, but I'd just like to shut you up...
What will follow is a screencap from the video taken by Joana. If you dont know who Joana is, he is a player that goes in new WoW servers and gets 60 first. His goal is to see how quick he can do it. His best time is 4d 20h. He has frapped his entire gameplay and is currently selling a guide for leveling 1-60. Those who buy the guide also get access to the videos. I bought the guide.
In the following image you can see him hitting lvl40 in 1d 22h 6m 57sec.
And reching top level in a few days is a good thing because.....?
Oh and i must comment on the screenshot. It looks like the type of graphics you would get as top range about 2 years ago So id say its pretty certain WoW wont win best graphics.
That is the whole point, or did you not understand it? Killkool said that one can hit 40 in two days, the coffee said that he was not right and saying that for the "greatest" game ever was unfair and unsupported by proof... So I provided the proof.
As for the graphics, this is a Fraps screencap of a video DivX, dont expect to judge quality graphics from that...
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I have to say it, although I know it's been said before.
All of you folks who are ragging on the "READER'S CHOICE" votes need to rethink YOUR position.
This is the READER'S CHOICE. It doesn't have to make sense (as in some cases it does not). It truly does give you a great opportunity to see what the community is made up of. Knowing now what the community here is made up of, don't you think it silly to rip all of those people a new one?
Too often I see people flaying the staff and moderators here for topics that are beyond their control. I believe I read another post somewhere in the 18 pages of posts here, that also said what I'm about to...
MMORPG.com puts this vote up for the benefit of its readership. They are not forced to, it's a service they provide to promote discussion (and obviously it worked!). I highly doubt that they would have "rigged" the vote - that's just plain stupid.
So I guess my point is, stop complaining about how horrible it is and rigged and blah blah blah, etc etc etc.
Instead, take comfort in the fact that we have a staff and moderators here that take the time to ask the readership what THEY think, whether it makes sense or not. Come on people, give credit where credit is due at least!
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Next year, I suspect we'll revisit the format again.
You'd better because this is a joke.
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You'd better because this is a joke.
Actually, I believe that by him saying they will "Revisit the format again" - that means they're going to use the same format again next year - but please correct me if I'm wrong.
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WoW:
Aging graphics engine (no updates in sight)
Popular for anyone who can point and click. (easy to play)
PVE - Nice, but you're really playing a PVP game
PVP - Have you seen the WoW South Park episode? Nuff said...
End game in 6-18months.
Players cannot add/change game content
Clogged servers, 10k User limit per server instance
Players - A LOT of subscribers, but limited by server instancing
EVE:
Aging graphics engine (complete client update due before Summer)
Popular for tech heads (you have to think)
PVE - roughly a fifteen hundred PVE/nonPVP star system to go through
PVP - roughly 3500 PVP starsystems run by players (more MMO's should take notes, this is PVP done right)
Players can add/change game content.
No forseeable endgame (no skill cap, no limit on ability)
Single cluster server, no user limit (still holding the PCL record!! 32k+)
Players - Some subscribers, but all play together, same server
Normally I post an annual rant on WoW's under 2 year lifespan, but I'll let the bullet points above speak for themselves.
My only add-on is that CCP (EVE) is VERY responsive to its player base, including inviting all subscribers to use the Beta server cluster to help test/opinion/judge forthcoming game content additions and changes, as well as releasing a database dump of all the game content to help players make better support sites and generate their own tools for the game (both for in-game browser, and out of game utilities).
My time spent in WoW, I felt pretty ignored by Blizzard, they just scheduled content, and then scheduled bug fixes for content pretty much at will and without user interaction. Nice game, but I need more....
You only present two or three options, and only one of the categories includes a none of the above! So if in one category that has two voting options a game amases 55%, that is NOT to say that 55% of gamers choose that one! That is to say exactly this thing: Of the people that voted here, 55% of them choose game A over game B.
This is not a vote of the year! This is a vote of the specific games. If you want to present awards for the best of 200X year, then present all games of the 200X year.
Respectfully,
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Actually.. they had preliminary voting as well in which you chose from a laundry list of games. It just so happens that of that laundry list, only two games had more than 10% of the votes. That's why the final vote only had EVE and WoW. It truly is the viewers choice... but nobody ever said the viewers knew what the heck they were talking about.
Perfect example... George Bush is the president of the U.S.
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That is exactly my point!
Either the voting must reflect the gamers participating in this site and the voting or it mustn't!
I find it VERY interesting (if it is true) that only two games gather
more than 10%. That should be shown because that is the opinion of ALL the gamers
in this vote!
As you mentioned G.W. Bush, let me put it in this way; all US citizens
must choose between TWO parties. Is that to say that the american
public only has two ideas of how their country should be lead? Granted
that the system works by showing a clear majority; anyone with 50% plus
wins. But that is not to say that were there OTHER political parties,
people would not vote for them.
When presenting two choices, you are saying that all other choices are
not valid, irrelevant. There were as much as 15-20 other games in the list; add a small percentage of, say, 4% to them and they gather a staggering 60% on average!
That is to say 60% of all gamers who voted are playing something DIFFERENT than WoW and EVE, and you dont thing that is worth showing? It would not even affect who is the leader, because, unlike a government, a game does not NEED to have 50% plus votes to win, it just need the highest percentage! But what it would do, is provide a better understanding of the GAMER's opinion on the games as a total of 2006. And that way we would not need an option "none of them", because one game of all the 2006 games must have the best graphics of the bunch.
Hope that clears things up a bit...
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I hear you... and you're right. The voting system is totally flawed.
I agree with you and think it would be nice to see the list of games that were voted on from the preliminary vote and what the percentages were for each. From my standpoint I certainly did not vote EVE or WoW down the line. Good points all.
Hey MMORPG... you guys reading this?
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cannot vote in the anticipated section... why not?
quite apart from the whole flawed voting system looks as engineered to misrepresent as most "elections"
first one to actualy say this (afaik)... I once calculated how long it would take for an EVE player to learn all the stat skills and learning skills. It was something between 12 and 14 months; that is roughly a year and a month of not progressing AT ALL in the game, playing a subscription, only for the best chance to actualy start playing and advancing in the remaining skills faster (according to calculations, it would pay of withing another year...)
It kind of gets to me... that is totaly my opinion of course. If I wanted to play EVE, this would be the way to play it for me, wait a year until I could start to play, the other choice was not realy a choice for me.
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EVE and WoW are both classy games in their own way, but there ARE some other classy MMO's out there. I think it's a shame that this years voting was reduced to an EVE versus WoW debate, especially as they are so different in terms of gaming experience and are not really competing with each other imo.
I would like to see voting done possibly by genre (e.g. fantasy,sci-fi), and then an overall winner vote.
Regardless, we simply must have more options than EVE or WoW (at least give us the option to say "none of the above"). People do play more than EVE and WoW!
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LOL if your gona dis the biggest MMO in history atleast tell the truth,
40 in 2 days, show me proof (without cheating, but u can use a bot if u
like) and ill give you £1000 and in not joking.
The truth is we all have opinons and in our heads the game we're
currently playing is the best and the rest sux, and we'll all come up
with all kinds of half truths and out right lies to support it.
Im currently playing WoW, and I have no plans to stops, I've dabbled
with others along the way, City of heros, EvE, runescape, EQ1/2, DDO (should of been a great game) but wow
had ticked all the boxes for me.
And down to the graphics of WoW which so many here say are crap and outdated. WoWuses HDRL (high dynamic range lighting)
and pixel shaders so the gfx engine is far from outdated and compareing
the gfx of WoW to EQ is stupid as both game have gone in 2 different
directions in the gfx department, heres some shots of WoW:TBC, out dated
realy?
Screen 1
Screen 2
Screen 3 - you have to see the clouds move to full experince that
Screen 4
Screen 5 - Goblins where the first on the moon
Screen 6 - My girl friend
I could go on forever but I wont, this is just a little sample of WoW's
gfx and you have to agree the shear diversity of the enviroments are
quite impressive.. if you want more:
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/burningcrusade/screenshots.html
WoW does not require a top spec Gfx card to get the gfx upto speed, I play with my 9800pro and I get a solid 40-50fps in the game with all gfx on full, EQ2 on the other hand handled like a tracker with 1 wheel with setting on medium and just looked awful, I have to bust it down to low-medium to get a good Frame rate.
WoW FTW... EvE FTB (For The Bin)
Slight problem with the graphics choice.
It states that
Yet, there is a picture of a Draenei next to the WoW selection, which is a graphical representation of what it WILL be, not of what it is (for those unfamiliar with it, draenei will be unavailable until 2007, which means they are not representative of graphics that exist today).
Edit: While im at it, i might as well say that these pro-wow people (like the one above me) that flaunt WoW:TBC graphics need to keep quiet.
Yet, there is a picture of a Draenei next to the WoW selection, which is a graphical representation of what it WILL be, not of what it is (for those unfamiliar with it, draenei will be unavailable until 2007, which means they are not representative of graphics that exist today).
Edit: While im at it, i might as well say that these pro-wow people (like the one above me) that flaunt WoW:TBC graphics need to keep quiet.
The expanaion with the draenei as you pointed out is out in 3 weeks (jan 16th 2007), and the draenei are already in WoW, I can go and see them now in Stormwind or swamp of sorrows. You think blizz are goona change the graphics & redo whole enviroments 3 weeks b4 release?
Do some research dont try to be a smart ass, i clearly stated in my post these were TBC graphics, which FYI is using the same engine as WoW the only difference ive seen are the clouds are now more dymanic, b4 they would change shape etc but now in some zones they flow and race across the sky which has to be scene to be believed.
I was simply making a point to all who say Wow graphics are outdated I hope these few pics of just a small percentage of the WoW universe will make them look closer instead of repeating what others think and say.
WoW graphics might not be your cuppa tea but saying they are outdated is simply wrong.
To make the above poster happy here are some screens of WoW (not of the TBC expansion zones)
Screen 1
Screen 2 - necro's rejoice
Screen 3
Screen 4
Screen 5
Screen 6
Do some research dont try to be a smart ass, i clearly stated in my post these were TBC graphics, which FYI is using the same engine as WoW the only difference ive seen are the clouds are now more dymanic, b4 they would change shape etc but now in some zones they flow and race across the sky which has to be scene to be believed.
I was simply making a point to all who say Wow graphics are outdated I hope these few pics of just a small percentage of the WoW universe will make them look closer instead of repeating what others think and say.
WoW graphics might not be your cuppa tea but saying they are outdated is simply wrong.
I'm going to say this just once.
Screenshots presented to the public by a game company can not be used to judge a games graphics.
I've played wow since beta back in '04. I have also played eve for about half as long. So dont get me wrong, i love both games, but I have NEVER been able to get my WoW screen to look like Blizzards screenshots, but when i tried eve almost a year ago now, i loaded it up and went WTF. Why? Cause it looked like the adds.
Also, although i hate to admit it, WoWs graphics are indeed abit outdated. Warcrafts graphic engine was created back in 2002, about the same time as Eve's was. The only difference is that CCP continually updates EVEs graphics along with the engine, while Blizzard has provided no such update since launch. WoW's graphic look good, but they are not top notch at all anymore. I admit i feel bad when i play halo 2, and the graphics there are better then wows. It's a console game ffs.
And hell, on thier last patch, blizz couldnt even get their game to keep green and white seperate on items.
I've heard a rant like yours before, oh yeah, it's the same thing as people who will bitch when the person they vote for in an election loses.
LOL if your gona dis the biggest MMO in history atleast tell the truth, 40 in 2 days, show me proof (without cheating, but u can use a bot if u like) and ill give you £1000 and in not joking.
Without cheating? Easy.
Or is your idea of 'cheating', interaction with other players?
Even then, I can think of a friend friends who play WoW, that would be more than happy to take your money, not that you'd pay.
Yet, there is a picture of a Draenei next to the WoW selection, which is a graphical representation of what it WILL be, not of what it is (for those unfamiliar with it, draenei will be unavailable until 2007, which means they are not representative of graphics that exist today).
Edit: While im at it, i might as well say that these pro-wow people (like the one above me) that flaunt WoW:TBC graphics need to keep quiet.
The expanaion with the draenei as you pointed out is out in 3 weeks (jan 16th 2007), and the draenei are already in WoW, I can go and see them now in Stormwind or swamp of sorrows. You think blizz are goona change the graphics & redo whole enviroments 3 weeks b4 release?
Do some research dont try to be a smart ass, i clearly stated in my post these were TBC graphics, which FYI is using the same engine as WoW the only difference ive seen are the clouds are now more dymanic, b4 they would change shape etc but now in some zones they flow and race across the sky which has to be scene to be believed.
I was simply making a point to all who say Wow graphics are outdated I hope these few pics of just a small percentage of the WoW universe will make them look closer instead of repeating what others think and say.
WoW graphics might not be your cuppa tea but saying they are outdated is simply wrong.
To make the above poster happy here are some screens of WoW (not of the TBC expansion zones)
Screen 1
Screen 2 - necro's rejoice
Screen 3
Screen 4
Screen 5
Screen 6
HDRL does not good graphics make.
WoW's graphics even once they are updated, will be average at best, and to be honest, they will suck for todays standards, pure and simple.
If you want to claim the WoW Graphic update will make it look better than EVE, then save yourself some embarassment and don't speak, because the graphics overhaul CCP is doing is just a tad more of an upgrade than what Blizzard is doing.
And as the other guy said, stop trying to use Blizzard's renders to show what the game will look like.
Renders posted by a game company always look better than what you will have as a player. I hae old Gaming magizines with some of the first pictures ever released of Warcraft 3, when it was first announced, and they look better than the max settings you'll use on a top-end PC today.
how where these chosen as finalists? Advertising revenue? Number of shills paid to pad the vote? rabid fanbois with mutlple accounts block voting? Why didnt you just run a poll of "which do you prefer - WoW or EVE"
How about in all th eemails i get from this site one highlighting the fact that a selection vote was going on?
Pathetic choices and meaningless poll
LOL if your gona dis the biggest MMO in history atleast tell the truth, 40 in 2 days, show me proof (without cheating, but u can use a bot if u like) and ill give you £1000 and in not joking.
I know you will not pay, but I'd just like to shut you up...
What will follow is a screencap from the video taken by Joana. If you dont know who Joana is, he is a player that goes in new WoW servers and gets 60 first. His goal is to see how quick he can do it. His best time is 4d 20h. He has frapped his entire gameplay and is currently selling a guide for leveling 1-60. Those who buy the guide also get access to the videos. I bought the guide.
In the following image you can see him hitting lvl40 in 1d 22h 6m 57sec.
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LOL if your gona dis the biggest MMO in history atleast tell the truth, 40 in 2 days, show me proof (without cheating, but u can use a bot if u like) and ill give you £1000 and in not joking.
I know you will not pay, but I'd just like to shut you up...
What will follow is a screencap from the video taken by Joana. If you dont know who Joana is, he is a player that goes in new WoW servers and gets 60 first. His goal is to see how quick he can do it. His best time is 4d 20h. He has frapped his entire gameplay and is currently selling a guide for leveling 1-60. Those who buy the guide also get access to the videos. I bought the guide.
In the following image you can see him hitting lvl40 in 1d 22h 6m 57sec.
And reching top level in a few days is a good thing because.....?
Oh and i must comment on the screenshot. It looks like the type of graphics you would get as top range about 2 years ago
So id say its pretty certain WoW wont win best graphics.
As for the graphics, this is a Fraps screencap of a video DivX, dont expect to judge quality graphics from that...
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