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MMORPG's: Consoles and PC's
Xaldor
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With FFXI on the PS2, I am of the opinion that in about 5 to 6 years there will be more people playing on consoles than PC's...opinions?
Oh the reason is quite simple. Consoles cost about 10 times less than PC's, and you can play them in the comfort of your living room on a bigscreen with surround sound...if you're lucky enough to have a bigscreen
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Wrong, as it is developers keep on putting in more and more cash towards computer things, face it, the age of consoles are slowly dwindling and the age of computers keeps on rising and rising, Not many console MMORPGs will be released, because everyone now and will have PC's capabable of playing the games, so yea.
While the consoles may be way cheaper, computers are much mroe efficiant and are highly customizable.
For one, computers store over 100x the ammount of information than consoles, additionally, computers also have better graphics, audio, and in general beter use for ONline games.
COmputers have more pros than cons unlike Consoles.
Consoles, onlinem produce more lag than with a computer, even if you have DSL or T1.
Although Consoles can be hooked up to a Big Screen TV, id still rather have the better quality of a flatscreen '21 in monitor than a 60' Big Screen TVs graphics. Also Those Big TVs cost more than the computer itself. Especially those plasmas.
Even better your dont have to pay $50 for a game to play online for a console, when you can DL a game off the internet for free (excluding the internet cost).
And the best part about computers is, that you can have wide librarys of your favorite music ( unlike a PS2, which is limited to the soundtrack of the game, even though XBox allows you to use your own playlists, its only for [i]some[/i]
games) with better sound than from your TV. 
Nuff said, Computers own Consoles, and eventually the cost for computers is going to go farther down when consoles get push slowly into the backround.
-Ent
Much more efficient. At playing games, consoles are much more efficient than PC's. Consoles are built for the sole purpose. You could not take a PC with the XBox specs and play games that tjhe XBox can play. Not even close.
What does storage space have to do with anything? Xbox games come on DVD's that can hold 5GB of data. Most PC games still come on a CD or two. Only 1.2GB of data...
This makes absolutely no sense. Console have less cons when it comes to playing games. Don't have to worry about drivers for one...
This is just total ignorance. No reason a console game has more lag than a PC game. They can send the same information. ?!?!
That is the one thing, higher resolution on the PC. But have you seend Dragon Lair 3D on the XBox on a HDTV? It looks AWESOME!!! in 1080i.
What are you saying here? Since you can pirate a game for your PC, it is better? You can get free games for the XBox as well, legally and not...
Dude, just put some music on your stereo... Why play music on the console when you can turn on the radio, insert a CD, etc in your stereo.
The console gaming market is growing by huge amounts every year and the PC gaming market is dwindling. It is a fact. Sorry...
Just to explain a little. I like gaming on the PC as much as the next guy, but I also love my XBox. I would rather play a game on my XBox than my PC. Except for FPS game that need a mouse. But, if everybody else is using a controller, then nopt having a mouse is not a disadvantage since everyone has to use the same thing.
I just enjoy a good debate and saw all kinds of holes in your argument. Sorry.
In a few years I can see the console catching up to the PC. I just do not believe it will pass it. Right now I cant store dozens of games on my PS2 and just double click to play whatever I want whenever I want.
Highend PCs still beat out consoles in terms of overall performance. Of course certain games are going to play better on the Console because they were *made* for it. Another thing that kills consoles is the marketing. Very simply each company wants system specific games in order to one up their competition. And while this isnt always the case, most of the time it is, there are a fwe games I would love to play on my PS2 that are only made for XBox, and vice versa.
I believe in 5-6 years time 100% of people who own a console will be playing games!
None of us have real facts that there are more PC game players than console, and does it matter?
FFXI has started a trend that will increase over the years - cross platform gaming.
If u think about, computers for mmorpg's, are always going to be better. For two reasons,
1) For some games it like FFXI u pay 100$ to get somthing to play the game, when on the computer, ur only paying around 45$.
2) When playing an mmorpg, it is good to interact with other people, since that is a huge part of the game, going around with them and talking to them, how fast can u talk to someone typing with a ps2 controller, it just can't be done to fast.
1) Just because Sony wanted to rip off the PS2 owners and not include the hard drive with the original machine...
2) Ever use XBox Live! ?? Making the typing to chat idea go the way of the DoDo...
No facts?? All it takes is a little reading and searching the net...
http://www.insidemacgames.com/news/story.php?ArticleID=8739
PC sales are shriking, console and handheld sales are increasing...
Everything a console can do a pc can do better. Bigscreen TV? My radeon can hook up to the tv easy. Controllers? I can use my mouse and keyboard and my ps2-like controller. DVD? I can play dvd on my pc and some of the new pc games are coming out on DVD(unreal tournament 2004). Small and mobile? I can by one of the lan cases and build a great Lan pc.
Much more efficient. At playing games, consoles are much more efficient than PC's. Consoles are built for the sole purpose. You could not take a PC with the XBox specs and play games that tjhe XBox can play. Not even close.
What are you talking about? The PC is playing the game at about 5 times the res with AF and AA on. The radeon 9800 xt is far better than the crap in xbox and ps2. When it comes to price, having a PC is a need in today's world, console is NOT. With a PC you can go on the surf the web, do homework, download stuff, get mods and updates for your games, programming, build web pages, email, do business work and play games. Console also have horrible FPS and strategy games(go check out rome total war), which are some of my favorites. I personally need a pc for work but I can also play games on it. You really dont need a 2,000 dollar PC to play games, you can do well with 700 dollars. PC's are far more customizeable and upgradeable, and way higher on the tech scale. You will especially see this when all the graphics go 64-bit and the pci express cards start coming out.
Highend PCs still beat out consoles in terms of overall performance. Of course certain games are going to play better on the Console because they were *made* for it. Another thing that kills consoles is the marketing. Very simply each company wants system specific games in order to one up their competition. And while this isnt always the case, most of the time it is, there are a fwe games I would love to play on my PS2 that are only made for XBox, and vice versa.
Just because the the game is poorly ported on to pc doesn't mean console shows better performance. Almost any pc(down to about 1ghz or so) can out perform a console(just turn the res down to 800/600 or to the lower console res).
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One thing you can't rule out, though, is that there are far more consoles in homes than PC's. With the convenience of adding a hard drive or internet connection, consoles will always be far cheaper to buy than computers for the average consumer. Let's have a look and see:
1) The average internet computer, with monitor, keyboard and mouse, costs the consumer about $500. If you want a mid range computer to run most MMO's, the cost rises substantially to the $1000 to $1500 range. This does not include DSL or Cable, as this will be needed for consoles.
2) Your average PS2 or X-Box costs $179. X-Box already has a built-in LAN connection and Hard drive, so purchase of XBOX Live is needed for a connection.... $50. Already, the average consumer has paid $229 for the X-Box. PS2, on the other hand, requires a Hard-Drive and an internet connection adapter. Costs: $50 each, leading to $279 for the PS2.
By sheer cost alone, consoles are much cheaper.
There's no doubting the PC has the pure processing power to run the MMO's mind you. But with Consoles soon on the rise at lower cost and catching up with the computers in processing power, it's only a matter of time before we're all playing our MMO's on a Console/Computer hybrid.
As some things can be right and useless, can't some things be wrong and priceless? -Viktor Suikoden I
The success of Xbox live has effectively driven a stake through the heart of PC gaming. Online gaming was, as far as gameplay goes, the only real advantage PC's ever had over consoles.
For a thousand dollars the typical consumer can get a good, but not great , PC for gaming. He also gets to deal with crashes, bugs, lock-ups, hackers, cheaters and any other odd assortment of things he doesn't understand. All that may be fun for someone who sees PC's as a hobby. But to the average Joe it's a frustrating pain in the ass.
Now, for less than two hundred dollars, the same guy eliminates ALL of those problems, and ends up with a system that has a five year life span instead of two, a system he can easily play multi-player games with family and friends, a infinitely larger library of games to choose from and an extra eight hundred bucks in his pocket. Sweet!
The typical consumer loves looking at the most up-to-date graphics, but like looking at Rolls Royce or a Ferrari it doesn't mean he has or is willing to spend the money to get it.
Having said all that, I will be building a new PC for myself so that I can take full advantage of all the new MMO's coming out this summer. But, now that the console manufacturers have decided to move into the MMO market I'm betting this may be the last PC I have to build for gaming.
littlemonkey
Just because at first glance it looks like consoles can't be hacked, they can. The XBOX can easily be made into a good enough system by just bypassing the check for their software if you take it apart because the check makes sure it's an XBOX system. And about consoles being better? I think not, seriously, who's going to complain about an extra $250 when they can do practically anything at your fingertips. Oh by the way, you have to -pay- for XBOX live (I think) AND the regular cost of cable. And if they made a MMORPG, you'd have to pay that cost too.
If you're going to put up an arguement, at least make an attempt.
Oh and by the way, the games aren't cheap. Especially when more and more games are letting you download their software instead of buying it at market value for the PC when you have to shell out hard cold cash for a game you didn't like but were forced to get because you thought you might like it.
Ta-ta.
As some things can be right and useless, can't some things be wrong and priceless? -Viktor Suikoden I
What are you going to use, an S-Video cable? What a crock. Plus the game on your PC is going to look like crap because it was not made to be on a TV, so text will not be readable, or just barely. I am sorry to inform you that the DVI jack on your Radeon video card is different than the DVI jack on your TV. You may not think it is, but trust me, it is. The DVI jack on your radeon is for a LCD screen, not an HDTV.
I said use a PC of equal specs. Of course a PC 5 times more powerful is going to play a game better. But if you get a 733MHz PC, it will not touch an XBox performance wise. The XBox is built to play games, the PC is not. And I am playing Dragon's Lair 3D at 1080i, so when you are playing games on your OPC at (lets se, 1080x5=5400) at 5400i, you let me know.
Sure, the PC has some advantagres, there is no doubt about it, but the average game players wants ease, and it doesn't get any easier than put the disk in and turn it on. PCs will never have that.
I am willing to bet that the XBox two will be comparable with high end PCs when it hits the market. Expect many more game to take advantage of 1080i.
You are admitting that you need a PC with twice as much power to get the same performance as a console. Sure, if you want to keep puting money into your PC so it can play the latest games, that is your perogative. But I got my XBox about 2 years ago, and have not had to put an extra dime into it to play the latest games. If your PC is two years old with no upgraded hardware, then you CAN'T play the latest games.
Bottom line is, Consoles do what they do very well. PCs are the jack of all trades, master of none. Console gaming is getting bigger and bigger... PC gaming is shrinking, and will continue to lose market to Console gaming.
And PC gamers get their cable for free? What the hell are you talking about??? It costs way more to keep your PC up to good enough standard for the latest games than it costs to get XBox Live.
And PC gamers don't? What are you talking about? And, they already do have an MMORPG fopr consoles. More than one in fact. (They just aren't any good yet
).
When you have a coherent response, let me know. This is gibberish...
Here we go again, more gibberish. You begin downloading a game for free (800MB), and I will drive to Hollywood Video and rent an XBox game (I have a 99 cent coupon laying right here, 99 cents for up to 3 games.
I will get home and start playing (without install time mind you). Lets see, you have about 100MB downloaded so far. Tomorrow when you start playing for the first time, I will let you know how good my 3 games were. And if I want to buy it or just play for my 5 days.
Another advantage of console, game rentals. It is illegal to rent PC games. So, if you know of a place that does it, it does not figure in the argument since it is illegal. We can argue the merits of illegal gaming all day as well, but I don't think the MODs here at MMORPG would like that too much.
They're called game trials. Look on Fileplanet.
And about the XBOX Live service, it costs extra so in the little money difference between the two you could just -get- a PC instead of handing over money. I was saying you'd have to pay for one more service when you only have to pay for two.
By the way, the MMORPG's for download. Look for AC, AO, UO, etc. How many XBOX mmorpg's do you know that don't require you to 'buy' the software and subscribe.
And can XBOX units play trials for MMORPG's that aren't out/that are out? Let me know when you get an answer to this question,
And can you multitask XBOX, as in do you have to play just that when you could alt tab out and talk to friends while your game is running and download more stuff?
As some things can be right and useless, can't some things be wrong and priceless? -Viktor Suikoden I
anyone noticing the price of PC games are dropping (at least from what I have seen) averaging about 39.99
FilePlanet sucks. Still takes yu longer to download a trial than for me to rent a FULL GAME.
Yes, but if you have ever used XBox Live you would know it is well worth it. I am always willing to pay for a service that is worth the cost.
Obviously the XBox or any console isn't the best platform for an MMORPG at the moment. But it does so many other things so well. I believe a good MMORPG easily be done on the XBox though, using Live instead of typing. Typing to chat is the bane of ALL online games, it sucks.
Little do you know my friend. Most XBox games come with trials/Demos of other games on them. plus XBox magazine comes with DVD's of 5 to 10 demos on it. So, there is your answer to that question, I am letting you know.
Actually, I reach over, pick up my cell phone and use my 3000 free minutes and free nights and weekends and just call them. When I want to multi task and listen to music, I put a CD-R full of MP3's into my stereo System. When I want to download stuff, I use my PC. Any other questions...
I think we have established that the console is for games. So, do you want it to run to the store and get milk too? Or can we agree that it doesn't do that either...?
As some things can be right and useless, can't some things be wrong and priceless? -Viktor Suikoden I
I agree, to each his own, of course.
I do not believe PCs will beat consoles. When you have a company like Microsoft taking the best PCs have to offer and putting it into a console, the console will always have an edge.
There are some very high quality games on console. The potential is there, we just need a little more time. I was amazed when I saw Dragons Lair 3D on my HDTV in 1080i. It is AWESOME. I keep refering to it though because, sadly, it is the only one. But I expect XBox 2 will solve that problem.
I use to be like you, not saying anything bad, I was very anti-console. No way is it better than a PC I use to say. But I played Project Gotham Racing 1 at a friends shortly aftre the XBox came out and knew I had to have one. I am a huge racing game fan, and they have just done racing games right on the XBox. I soon became a convert. I had been down talking console for so long without ever having experienced them in their full glory to have an honest opinion from both sides. But now that I have, I must say, nothing beats playing Grand Theft Auto Vice City while laying on the couch, watching a 60" TV, listening to Dolby Digital 5.1 through my stereo, getting thumped from my sub woofer when I crash...
As some things can be right and useless, can't some things be wrong and priceless? -Viktor Suikoden I
What are you going to use, an S-Video cable? What a crock. Plus the game on your PC is going to look like crap because it was not made to be on a TV, so text will not be readable, or just barely. I am sorry to inform you that the DVI jack on your Radeon video card is different than the DVI jack on your TV. You may not think it is, but trust me, it is. The DVI jack on your radeon is for a LCD screen, not an HDTV.
You couldnt be more wrong. The text looks fine. Not only can I hook up just fine, but my teacher use projectors and tvs(with pc) all the time for assignments. Everyone can read it fine. You can also take a ati all-in-wonder card and make a tivo station or a pc media center.
I would take a pc over console anyday. We have far better and more quality games. FPS? PC mouse and keyboard set up far better. Strategy? WE also have far better and numerous strategy games(check out rome:total war).MMORPGs? WE have far more, and better than ffxi. Half-life 2 and Doom3? WE get them before consoles. We also get games from both xbox and ps2-like halo and grand theft auto.
I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered! My life is my own!
UXO guild-http://scottishguardians.guildwizard.com
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"Those who sacrifice liberty in the name of security deserve neither"- Ben Franklin
"Unlike me, many of you have accepted the situation of your imprisonment and will die here like rotten cabbages."- Number Six's speech from "Free for All"