Ive played both EvE and World of Warcraft. Both are good games for different reasons, but these awards are about as lopsided as you can get. One game has 8 million subscribers compared to a fraction of that for the other game. It doesnt mean EvE is a bad game, but basing all these awards on 5000 and some odd votes in the final round does not mean much to me. Having played both games for a while theres no way EvE would win all these categories realistically. It looks like only EvE players bothered to vote, with WoW players making up whatever was left. You get a few hundred thousand people to vote from a cross section of the MMOG playerbase out there and the results wont look like the ones here and you will get a much more fair representation of what games people enjoy. I cant even take these awards seriously as they are now.
This system has been commented to hell and back. We all know it is flawed, and there are about 10 other threads saying it is bad.Let's just try to put it behind us, give it no thought and HOPE that the mmorpg.com people learned something from all our comments...
I find it odd that people are complainign about the PvE result, which EvE can probably scrape by in. What about the "best storyline"? Whats the fucking sotryline in EvE? its a sandbox MMORPG with a slight background about how some people ended up in space, the rest of it is a player driven trading and PvPfest.
There isn't a storyline to EvE, so it shouldn't have won that at all.
Quoted from mmorpg.com readers choice award about the Story section:
"In this category, players were asked to consider the game’s live events, role-playing support, quests, the community itself and anything else that makes you feel like you're a citizen of more than just a video game, but a world."
Maybe hard for you to imagine, but EVE has a very rich storyline. Unlinke in most other mmorpgs, it is mainly created by the players themselves. You can write a book about most regions in EVE, that is how rich the story and history is - without taking into concideration any stories made by the gaming company CCP.
The player created history and realities in EVE is what gives this game depth. As a long time mmorpg gamer I agree with someone who said on the mmorpg.com forums that eve is the only "game" in existance that has managed to create an actual virtual society.
No other game comes even remotly close to the player created depth of the EVE universe. EVE plays in its own league in this category, there is no competition.
Until you have played EVE for sometime, and talked to some veteran citizens of this vast universe that is EVE, and maybe even had the chance of taking part in history creation in EVE, you will not be able to comprehend this. It is unique.
I find it odd that people are complainign about the PvE result, which EvE can probably scrape by in. What about the "best storyline"? Whats the fucking sotryline in EvE? its a sandbox MMORPG with a slight background about how some people ended up in space, the rest of it is a player driven trading and PvPfest.
There isn't a storyline to EvE, so it shouldn't have won that at all.
Quoted from mmorpg.com readers choice award about the Story section:
"In this category, players were asked to consider the game’s live events, role-playing support, quests, the community itself and anything else that makes you feel like you're a citizen of more than just a video game, but a world."
Maybe hard for you to imagine, but EVE has a very rich storyline. Unlinke in most other mmorpgs, it is mainly created by the players themselves. You can write a book about most regions in EVE, that is how rich the story and history is - without taking into concideration any stories made by the gaming company CCP.
The player created history and realities in EVE is what gives this game depth. As a long time mmorpg gamer I agree with someone who said on the mmorpg.com forums that eve is the only "game" in existance that has managed to create an actual virtual society.
No other game comes even remotly close to the player created depth of the EVE universe. EVE plays in its own league in this category, there is no competition.
Until you have played EVE for sometime, and talked to some veteran citizens of this vast universe that is EVE, and maybe even had the chance of taking part in history creation in EVE, you will not be able to comprehend this.
Actually, Planetside has about as much player and regional history as EVE does. All it is is about who is in charge where, and at what time. Nothing particularly interesting. In fact, the best roleplayers are actually the ones who are the lest powerful players.
EVE history is far, far shorter than book length. Maybe a good "list length." And if they want to make mountains out of the molehill of, "our clan is so ub0rz and we pwned you, go back to WoW," then at least Counterstrike and Planetside are F2P.
You can say that one cannot "comprehend" what EVE history is, or is not, unless they have taken part in it, or have spent some considerable time there. Yet, I don't see you giving out $20 of non-refundable startup fees, and $15 a month non-refundable, in order to actually see for ourselves. You'll say anything to hype this game.
__________________________ "Its sad when people use religion to feel superior, its even worse to see people using a video game to do it." --Arcken
"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints." --Hellmar, CEO of CCP.
"It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls." --Exar_Kun on SWG's NGE
Readers' Choice awards are almost always frivolous. They completely depend on the readers (obviously) and the readers are part of their own community. Communities tend to reinforce themselves.
In the more than a year I've been a member of MMORPG.com, I've always known this site's community to be primarily an Eve one. I even tried the game purely based on the community's recommendation here. The game wasn't for me so /shrug, I learned a bit. Now I care little about rankings or awards, especially here.
Many new visitors to the site probably see the community's Eve bias and don't bother coming back, unless they're Eve enthusiasts and then, well, there's the community reinforcement.
I keep visiting because MMORPG.com keeps on posting news and articles about /all/ games, even the highly unsuccessful ones. I ignore most ratings and read what people actually like about the games. If they're the same sorts of things I'd like in a game, I try it.
Unless you're completely bored and have no idea what kind of games you like, don't base your game playing time on any readers' choice award. Besides, you'll get a completely different answer depending on the publication/site you're reading.
What a big bunch of crybabies do i see here.Every pollhas it's ups and downs.And every timeyou'll have people complaining it isn't fair because this or because of that. I
If you would read carefully you would see that what i am trying to say is just that.My comments are meant against the people that smacktalk eve and it's community right down with the obvious reason because it is not the game they would like to see best .Again WHENyou read my post : quote: I for one find it a verry fair result that it is chosen for overall game , regardless of wich aspects it should or should not have won.Asyou can see i clearlyspoke about what i myself thought best and clearlymentioned that i can understand if others have another thought.So don't say i step on people's backs caus i obviously didnt.
First say i step on people's backs then telling me to stick it up the arse.......well go ahead if you wanna lower the "discussion" like that , homey don't play that way...
When you start a post out this way, it sets the tone for the entire message. Perhaps if you were a bit more careful, no, considerate with your wording then you're intentions might have been clearer and you're own opinion respected.
Oh and Homey, you're opening line already 'lowered' the discussion. I'd figure I'd let you know what kind of response you could expect. I don't play that way until someone else makes it like that. Phrase better and everyone will be Fonzie's here.
I find it odd that people are complainign about the PvE result, which EvE can probably scrape by in. What about the "best storyline"? Whats the fucking sotryline in EvE? its a sandbox MMORPG with a slight background about how some people ended up in space, the rest of it is a player driven trading and PvPfest.
There isn't a storyline to EvE, so it shouldn't have won that at all.
There's more backstory to EVE than there is to WoW or the Warcraft series, and better too. The Real story in the game though is being constantly written by the players in their every day interactions. If you don't think that Alliance politics and intrigue is better storyline than any dev could hope to write them I'm sorry TeeVee has killed your sense of imagination.
I have seen twink clan #1 versus twink clan #2 in Counterstrike, and Command and Conquer. Yet ot would be a stretch to call two clans saying "I am more ub0r" any sort of story for mature people.
That's all this "alliance politics" and "player written story" is all about in EVE, and if that's the best story there, then I'd have to say Counterstrike has a better background story.
...At least you can outfit your clan with custom skins there.
Oh please, that's one of the weakest arguments you've ever made, and most of them are weak to begin with. It has nothing to do with smacktalking on forums, it has to do with their interactions effect on the game world as a whole. When two counterstrike clans duke it out does it effect every single other player who plays the game? How about C&C? Thought not.
The fact that all you think that goes on in alliance politics is smack talk speaks to the fact that you're either a high-sec hugging mission whore, or you don't play the game. Other than the fact that CCP apparently 'ran over your dog/kicked your cat/molested your hamster' and you're now on a crusade to spread the word that CCP is the dark lord or something.
Your replies are usually enough to register and eye roll but this one rated an eye role and a chuckle so I thought I'd respond.
Actually, Planetside has about as much player and regional history as EVE does. All it is is about who is in charge where, and at what time. Nothing particularly interesting. In fact, the best roleplayers are actually the ones who are the lest powerful players. EVE history is far, far shorter than book length. Maybe a good "list length." And if they want to make mountains out of the molehill of, "our clan is so ub0rz and we pwned you, go back to WoW," then at least Counterstrike and Planetside are F2P. You can say that one cannot "comprehend" what EVE history is, or is not, unless they have taken part in it, or have spent some considerable time there. Yet, I don't see you giving out $20 of non-refundable startup fees, and $15 a month non-refundable, in order to actually see for ourselves. You'll say anything to hype this game.
Let me reply to the three points you have made:
1) - Saying the best roleplayers are the least powerful players shows you have not understood the concept of depth and story that I mentioned. In a virtual society you do not have to roleplay to make stories, be a part of history, and add depth.
Your being there and all your actions influence the whole. You cant escape from being part of the story in EVE once you log in, even though at first you might not realize this.
2) - EVE history is not just good "list length". It could fill a massive book or more. Please correct me if I am wrong, but your impression of - "my clan pawns your clan" only attitude in eve - is based from browsing the eve-online forums? The alliance section of the eve-online forums if flooded with propaganda from warring alliances, do not believe too much you read there.
There is a well written and entertaining thread here, that can give you a glimpse of what I am taking about. (INNOMINATE NIGHTMARE tells this "true" story, so you only need to read his posts for the story, even though some of the replies are funny as well)
3) As far as I know you can try out eve for 14 days on a trial account for free. I am not saying you should, but you could. If you do try out eve, be sure to join a corp (stands for guild in eve terminology), otherwise you might feel lost or overwhelmed or both. A good corp will help you get an understanding of the game much faster then you could get alone.
And lastly, I would like to add I like a lot of games, not just eve. Just felt it neccessary to correct the uninformed posts of lack of stories or storyline in EVE, because these posts are just plainly completely wrong. If you check my sign up date to mmorpg. com and the amount of posts I have made you might see that I do not post much here ususally, only when I realy feel something needs to be said. And uninformed posts from people who obviously have no idea of what eve is, like the one from Atomicide I replied to, need to stand corrected.
There has never been a more perfect example of why anyone who visits this site should take everything written here with a pound of salt, than this "awards" "vote".
I was suprised though that there wasnt a catagory for the MMO that cured the most cancer patients. Im sure if there had been, EVE would have won that also.
Readers' Choice awards are almost always frivolous. They completely depend on the readers (obviously) and the readers are part of their own community. Communities tend to reinforce themselves. In the more than a year I've been a member of MMORPG.com, I've always known this site's community to be primarily an Eve one. I even tried the game purely based on the community's recommendation here. The game wasn't for me so /shrug, I learned a bit. Now I care little about rankings or awards, especially here. Many new visitors to the site probably see the community's Eve bias and don't bother coming back, unless they're Eve enthusiasts and then, well, there's the community reinforcement. I keep visiting because MMORPG.com keeps on posting news and articles about /all/ games, even the highly unsuccessful ones. I ignore most ratings and read what people actually like about the games. If they're the same sorts of things I'd like in a game, I try it. Unless you're completely bored and have no idea what kind of games you like, don't base your game playing time on any readers' choice award. Besides, you'll get a completely different answer depending on the publication/site you're reading.
Let me see if I understand you. You didn't like a game that the gaming community selected and because you didn't like it that tells you the entire readers choice awards is fake, rigged, or somehow enough people got together to form a "community" and cause Eve to win?
Posts like this leave me speechless. My only advice to you is simply, get over yourself already.
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Awesome job Eve Online! While every game isn't for every person the results clearly show that you've created a winner. In almost every catagory Eve Online SMOKED what it was up against and I agree with the results. Well done!
This site just gets worse and worse with it's constant stream of WoW copy and paste editorials and bogus awards. I find it hard to make constructive posts with such little work with.
Anyone whos votes against my views is a fanboi or an idiot or just plain wrong.
Thats the attitude of most people on this site. YOU VOTED AND YOU LOST. I dont play EVE. Or WoW. But i would have voted for EVE because I THINK ITS BETTER. Live with it. Most people who love WoW dont bother to even come to asite like this.
ITS ALL A CONSPIRACY. lol watever
If you havent figured out that all gaming companies are trying to get you to play their game, then wtf are you doing here? Instead of the other way around. Like it should be.
This site is a way for us to voice our opinions to get developers to change the shit they churn out. Either that or we will realise that what we want from an MMO isnt possible and go back to multiplayer games.
Originally posted by Valorus Let me see if I understand you. You didn't like a game that the gaming community selected and because you didn't like it that tells you the entire readers choice awards is fake, rigged, or somehow enough people got together to form a "community" and cause Eve to win? Posts like this leave me speechless. My only advice to you is simply, get over yourself already. ======= Awesome job Eve Online! While every game isn't for every person the results clearly show that you've created a winner. In almost every catagory Eve Online SMOKED what it was up against and I agree with the results. Well done!
I don't think you understood me then. Over a year of following this site tells me that this site leans heavily towards Eve. I don't think anything was rigged, I simply thought the outcome was obvious and that complaining about an Eve-heavy site voting Eve tops is plain silly. I would have been quite surprised had the vote not turned out the way it did. Eve is obviously a great game for a lot of folks. The "best" game overall is simply an opinion, unless you rate them according to measurable attributes, such as subscribers.
I find it odd that people are complainign about the PvE result, which EvE can probably scrape by in. What about the "best storyline"? Whats the fucking sotryline in EvE? its a sandbox MMORPG with a slight background about how some people ended up in space, the rest of it is a player driven trading and PvPfest.
There isn't a storyline to EvE, so it shouldn't have won that at all.
The point is that players write the storyline with there actions. Ina sandbox game, most of the storyline is player created, and passed mouth to mount. you still hear great stories about the Great nothern war, years after it happened. It appears that the north and south are going to go at it this time, and it will be a bloodfest.
Best PvE hunters have to earn it by doing PvE, safe from PvP, which is NOT the case in EvE that reward PvP above PvE, thereby it should not even have been allowed into the PvE category.
Let's me reformulate in a way EvE folks will understand: Which sheep was the best? The wolf!!! WTF go away! Maybe someone should have been allowed to vote only in PvE OR in PvP, haha, I dunno, but asking the Nazis to told us who are the best Jews...that is kinda screwed.
This site has always been a strong PvP ground, but like some folks said, EvE actually advertises to get these votes twisted into their favor, while nobody else did, this render the result completely useless. EvE is a good game in SOME aspects, not PvE (it has some PvE, like EQ has some soloing, only Brad would try to tell you that EQ is ideal for soloers)! It would be like awarding the best soloing award to EQ! Nonsense!
SUGGESTION FOR NEXT YEAR: MMORPG.com staff should draw, at random, some users, and ask these. I dunno, you draw 1k names, send 1k emails, they have 1 week to answer, and after that the results. Drawing the names could be done anyway the staff like, from all users, from all users which X login in the last month...etc. Ideally, it should be random, could check survey ways to find a good way to get a fair random selection, without warning the users ideally. The drawing can be done during any month, like in April if you want...nothing prevent you to ask the question 6 months later...
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
Originally posted by DemonOvrlord Shoot, forgot to vote in the 'None of the Above' category for Favorite New Game. When will we get to see the Worst of 2006 results?
The results of the poll are an indicator of the voting demographic. To their credit the folks at Eve are trying to promote their game and mmorpg.com is a venue to do just that. I'm pretty sure Blizzard is happy with their tv commercials, refferences, parody shows and 7 million subscribers. Congratulations Eve
This is a very good point. CCP cares about publicity on MMORPG.com because they have an interest in drawing in the type of gamer who visit this place. Unlike Blizzard, they apparently have no interest in attracting players using the mass media.
In summary of this thread (the majority of it at any rate).
Blah blah blah, my favourite game didn't win, and one game company swept the board including the category that they are not famous for. Therefore poll must be skewed.
I used to play WoW, and left it because I got bored.
Used to play CoH/CoV which I left once I got bored (but it was great fun for a while, and I'd still highly recommend it)
I used to play SWG, which I left once it became a rubbish action game (by which I mean it was an action game which happened to also be rubbish) and just wasn't my sort of thing anymore.
I now play Eve, and I do happen to think that it's better than the others.
Surprised it swept the board?
A little; I didn't think a lot of people enjoyed hunting NPCs through asteroid fields in 0.4/0.5 space for half an hour like I do, but apparently there's enough of us to win that. I certainly enjoy it more than the timesink PvE of WoW.
Everything else; meh, seemed a likely outcome.
When a game I enjoy more comes along, I'll vote for that one instead, and if it doesn't win that doesn't mean anything other than "my tastes are out of sync with the majority of MMORPG.com's readership"
(And btw, Eve online has a complex plot which sits alongside player driven events and can be affected by them. The fact that the story is dynamic rather than a static event where the consequences only take place after the weekly patch - if at all, makes it more than worthy of best storyline).
I have tried EvE online, infact, I tried the 14 day trial twice, but I never felt compelled to actually pay to play it. Its not a terrible game, its not poorly made or anything like that, it just didnt strike that chord that makes me feel like I want to play. A quick note before anyone throws in a comment about Elves and Orcs, I absolutely adore Autoassault, but im terrified to play it because of the state its in. I prefer to keep the memory of playing it on release and enjoying it.
There isnt much of a storydriven Environment in EvE, its a sandbox game, there isn't a scripted sotryline to follow, and thats a good thing. Yes, there are obviously player driven ones, but like I said, every game has those. From guilds competing for server/regional/world first kills, The politics of one player killing another on Lineage2 resulting in a guild war, which further turns into anarachy during a castle seige.
As for winning PvE as well, ill put that to a greedy cmmunity more than anything else. The simple reason is, every EvE fan loves to talk about how the PvP is awesome, and how PvE isnt an integral part of the game, and how losers don't like the game because they are carebears etc. So why did they feel compelled to vote it best PvE when they clearly want it to be known as a hardocre PvP game? Simple reason, they wanted it to have all the awards, regardless of its actual content.
I find it odd that people are complainign about the PvE result, which EvE can probably scrape by in. What about the "best storyline"? Whats the fucking sotryline in EvE? its a sandbox MMORPG with a slight background about how some people ended up in space, the rest of it is a player driven trading and PvPfest.
There isn't a storyline to EvE, so it shouldn't have won that at all.
ok .. as allready mentioned - the storyline award seems to be about imersion into the game and less about some chronicles and short stories.
if you think EVE has no story - well then i maybe should tell you my story (or atleast a tiny part of it ).
i joined EVE one year ago.
after my newbie days in empire i joined a 0.0 (no security space ... you can shoot everyone without intervention by NPCs or other gamemechanics - you have defend yourself... or die) corporation in a PvP alliance. before the game was quite boring - i killed npcs, ran missions, a bit of trading also.
but when i entered 0.0 - it was (and still is) a whole different world. you have big alliances fighting over terretory. you have betrayals on different levels - on alliance, corp and personal levels. you have people that are enemies for more than 3 years - not because they hate the player behind the character (but sometimes they do) - but because their corps are opposite (because of RP, because of past events - but mainly because of the later). and then you have people that try to colonize 0.0 (ISS for example) ... you have intrigues and animosities, you have diplomacy - you have mercenaries and traders, alliances and corps known for their military power and others known for their industrial power, you have pirates and miners.
i saw "empires" fall and new "empires" rise - i saw and was affected by first class intrigues. i saw people making peace because they faced the same powerful enemie, i saw people breaking peace because they saw an opportunity either to survive or to gain power.
events that happened one year, two years or even longer ago still affect people today. the Great Northern War (a war raging for several months) divided big parts of the community in different power-blocks. events like EC-P8R (one of the biggest sieges of a starsystem in EVE's history - at the time it happened it was the biggest event) changed the face of 0.0 on a large scale.
my alliance was part of the EC-P8R "event" - we tried to help the owners of the system to defend. the reason this system got attacked? intel of the aggressors told them that there's some capitalship production in this system, which would allow us to get bigger and better capitalships as we were allied with the owners of the system.
only a few people of us made it into the system - many "died" in the attempt to do so, though we used the weakest spot of their siege. after this first attack the aggressors locked the system down - the following days we tried to get more people into the system - but the siege was too perfect. we were facing an enemy consisting of more than 600 ships, we were less than 50. the whole week we tried to make a dent in their sieging force. it failed - we were not able to break it. after one week of constant siege only a few of us were left when our last bastion fall. yes - we knew we won't win before our first attempt. we still tried. and yet i felt hopeless, powerless and a bit sad when we got order to retreat (to secure atleast all assets that were in reach to us and maybe to survive long enough to get into safety) on the last day.
after this event my alliance reformed to a new entity, changing its structure and organisation - getting new friends and new enemies.
yes - this event might not have been that important in the background storyline of EVE, the gallente federation, the amarr empire, the caldari state or the minmatar republic won't set us now a monument, we likely never will be named in an official chronical (though there was some coverage in the EVE player news) - does it matter in the sense of any storyline? hell yes, it does. it matters in MY OWN storyline - as well as in the story of hundredth other players.
yes - EVE has not that much of explicite roleplay, where everyone is talking funny and behaving like a medieval knight. but because it has not that certain kind of roleplay doesn't mean it has no story at all. sometimes it's difficult to distinguish between player and character - but that's imho more interesting. why? classic roleplay seems to ask the question "what would this guy do in this weird situation?" .. while in EVE you ask yourself "what would (and will) i do in such a weird situation?" .. it's different, not worse or better - only different.
i don't have experience with other MMOs in regards to imersion into the game-world and/or storyline. all i can say, is: EVE HAS a story - the story every player writes for himself.
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Quoted from mmorpg.com readers choice award about the Story section:
"In this category, players were asked to consider the game’s live events, role-playing support, quests, the community itself and anything else that makes you feel like you're a citizen of more than just a video game, but a world."
Maybe hard for you to imagine, but EVE has a very rich storyline. Unlinke in most other mmorpgs, it is mainly created by the players themselves. You can write a book about most regions in EVE, that is how rich the story and history is - without taking into concideration any stories made by the gaming company CCP.
The player created history and realities in EVE is what gives this game depth. As a long time mmorpg gamer I agree with someone who said on the mmorpg.com forums that eve is the only "game" in existance that has managed to create an actual virtual society.
No other game comes even remotly close to the player created depth of the EVE universe. EVE plays in its own league in this category, there is no competition.
Until you have played EVE for sometime, and talked to some veteran citizens of this vast universe that is EVE, and maybe even had the chance of taking part in history creation in EVE, you will not be able to comprehend this. It is unique.
Quoted from mmorpg.com readers choice award about the Story section:
"In this category, players were asked to consider the game’s live events, role-playing support, quests, the community itself and anything else that makes you feel like you're a citizen of more than just a video game, but a world."
Maybe hard for you to imagine, but EVE has a very rich storyline. Unlinke in most other mmorpgs, it is mainly created by the players themselves. You can write a book about most regions in EVE, that is how rich the story and history is - without taking into concideration any stories made by the gaming company CCP.
The player created history and realities in EVE is what gives this game depth. As a long time mmorpg gamer I agree with someone who said on the mmorpg.com forums that eve is the only "game" in existance that has managed to create an actual virtual society.
No other game comes even remotly close to the player created depth of the EVE universe. EVE plays in its own league in this category, there is no competition.
Until you have played EVE for sometime, and talked to some veteran citizens of this vast universe that is EVE, and maybe even had the chance of taking part in history creation in EVE, you will not be able to comprehend this.
Actually, Planetside has about as much player and regional history as EVE does. All it is is about who is in charge where, and at what time. Nothing particularly interesting. In fact, the best roleplayers are actually the ones who are the lest powerful players.
EVE history is far, far shorter than book length. Maybe a good "list length." And if they want to make mountains out of the molehill of, "our clan is so ub0rz and we pwned you, go back to WoW," then at least Counterstrike and Planetside are F2P.
You can say that one cannot "comprehend" what EVE history is, or is not, unless they have taken part in it, or have spent some considerable time there. Yet, I don't see you giving out $20 of non-refundable startup fees, and $15 a month non-refundable, in order to actually see for ourselves. You'll say anything to hype this game.
__________________________
"Its sad when people use religion to feel superior, its even worse to see people using a video game to do it."
--Arcken
"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints."
--Hellmar, CEO of CCP.
"It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls."
--Exar_Kun on SWG's NGE
Readers' Choice awards are almost always frivolous. They completely depend on the readers (obviously) and the readers are part of their own community. Communities tend to reinforce themselves.
In the more than a year I've been a member of MMORPG.com, I've always known this site's community to be primarily an Eve one. I even tried the game purely based on the community's recommendation here. The game wasn't for me so /shrug, I learned a bit. Now I care little about rankings or awards, especially here.
Many new visitors to the site probably see the community's Eve bias and don't bother coming back, unless they're Eve enthusiasts and then, well, there's the community reinforcement.
I keep visiting because MMORPG.com keeps on posting news and articles about /all/ games, even the highly unsuccessful ones. I ignore most ratings and read what people actually like about the games. If they're the same sorts of things I'd like in a game, I try it.
Unless you're completely bored and have no idea what kind of games you like, don't base your game playing time on any readers' choice award. Besides, you'll get a completely different answer depending on the publication/site you're reading.
If you would read carefully you would see that what i am trying to say is just that.My comments are meant against the people that smacktalk eve and it's community right down with the obvious reason because it is not the game they would like to see best .Again WHENyou read my post : quote: I for one find it a verry fair result that it is chosen for overall game , regardless of wich aspects it should or should not have won.Asyou can see i clearlyspoke about what i myself thought best and clearlymentioned that i can understand if others have another thought.So don't say i step on people's backs caus i obviously didnt.
First say i step on people's backs then telling me to stick it up the arse.......well go ahead if you wanna lower the "discussion" like that , homey don't play that way...
When you start a post out this way, it sets the tone for the entire message. Perhaps if you were a bit more careful, no, considerate with your wording then you're intentions might have been clearer and you're own opinion respected.Oh and Homey, you're opening line already 'lowered' the discussion. I'd figure I'd let you know what kind of response you could expect. I don't play that way until someone else makes it like that. Phrase better and everyone will be Fonzie's here.
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I have seen twink clan #1 versus twink clan #2 in Counterstrike, and Command and Conquer. Yet ot would be a stretch to call two clans saying "I am more ub0r" any sort of story for mature people.
That's all this "alliance politics" and "player written story" is all about in EVE, and if that's the best story there, then I'd have to say Counterstrike has a better background story.
...At least you can outfit your clan with custom skins there.
Oh please, that's one of the weakest arguments you've ever made, and most of them are weak to begin with. It has nothing to do with smacktalking on forums, it has to do with their interactions effect on the game world as a whole. When two counterstrike clans duke it out does it effect every single other player who plays the game? How about C&C? Thought not.
The fact that all you think that goes on in alliance politics is smack talk speaks to the fact that you're either a high-sec hugging mission whore, or you don't play the game. Other than the fact that CCP apparently 'ran over your dog/kicked your cat/molested your hamster' and you're now on a crusade to spread the word that CCP is the dark lord or something.
Your replies are usually enough to register and eye roll but this one rated an eye role and a chuckle so I thought I'd respond.
Let me reply to the three points you have made:
1) - Saying the best roleplayers are the least powerful players shows you have not understood the concept of depth and story that I mentioned. In a virtual society you do not have to roleplay to make stories, be a part of history, and add depth.
Your being there and all your actions influence the whole. You cant escape from being part of the story in EVE once you log in, even though at first you might not realize this.
2) - EVE history is not just good "list length". It could fill a massive book or more. Please correct me if I am wrong, but your impression of - "my clan pawns your clan" only attitude in eve - is based from browsing the eve-online forums? The alliance section of the eve-online forums if flooded with propaganda from warring alliances, do not believe too much you read there.
There is a well written and entertaining thread here, that can give you a glimpse of what I am taking about. (INNOMINATE NIGHTMARE tells this "true" story, so you only need to read his posts for the story, even though some of the replies are funny as well)
3) As far as I know you can try out eve for 14 days on a trial account for free. I am not saying you should, but you could. If you do try out eve, be sure to join a corp (stands for guild in eve terminology), otherwise you might feel lost or overwhelmed or both. A good corp will help you get an understanding of the game much faster then you could get alone.
And lastly, I would like to add I like a lot of games, not just eve. Just felt it neccessary to correct the uninformed posts of lack of stories or storyline in EVE, because these posts are just plainly completely wrong. If you check my sign up date to mmorpg. com and the amount of posts I have made you might see that I do not post much here ususally, only when I realy feel something needs to be said. And uninformed posts from people who obviously have no idea of what eve is, like the one from Atomicide I replied to, need to stand corrected.
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There has never been a more perfect example of why anyone who visits this site should take everything written here with a pound of salt, than this "awards" "vote".
I was suprised though that there wasnt a catagory for the MMO that cured the most cancer patients. Im sure if there had been, EVE would have won that also.
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What a stupid set of results.
EVE the best game of 2006 - hahahaha
EVE is a suck-fest, it is the biggest pile of doo ever created.
Hahaha, so the EVE fanbois have their day - lol this is so very funny.....
What a sad day for MMORPG.COM when EVE wins all these silly awards.
Maybe next year MMORPG will give us more entries to vote for, some of the choices this year were stupid.
We need a "none of the above" for each category, that would have been the winner this year.
Well done suck-fest boring EVE.
Let me see if I understand you. You didn't like a game that the gaming community selected and because you didn't like it that tells you the entire readers choice awards is fake, rigged, or somehow enough people got together to form a "community" and cause Eve to win?
Posts like this leave me speechless. My only advice to you is simply, get over yourself already.
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Awesome job Eve Online! While every game isn't for every person the results clearly show that you've created a winner. In almost every catagory Eve Online SMOKED what it was up against and I agree with the results. Well done!
Thanks CCP.
-doro
Shoot, forgot to vote in the 'None of the Above' category for Favorite New Game.
When will we get to see the Worst of 2006 results?
Anyone whos votes against my views is a fanboi or an idiot or just plain wrong.
Thats the attitude of most people on this site. YOU VOTED AND YOU LOST. I dont play EVE. Or WoW. But i would have voted for EVE because I THINK ITS BETTER. Live with it. Most people who love WoW dont bother to even come to asite like this.
ITS ALL A CONSPIRACY. lol watever
If you havent figured out that all gaming companies are trying to get you to play their game, then wtf are you doing here? Instead of the other way around. Like it should be.
This site is a way for us to voice our opinions to get developers to change the shit they churn out. Either that or we will realise that what we want from an MMO isnt possible and go back to multiplayer games.
Period.
I don't think you understood me then. Over a year of following this site tells me that this site leans heavily towards Eve. I don't think anything was rigged, I simply thought the outcome was obvious and that complaining about an Eve-heavy site voting Eve tops is plain silly. I would have been quite surprised had the vote not turned out the way it did. Eve is obviously a great game for a lot of folks. The "best" game overall is simply an opinion, unless you rate them according to measurable attributes, such as subscribers.
Edit: I broke the quoting the first time around.
Have faith in God, believe in antimatter.
Hehe, like many said, EvE for PvE? ROFL.
Best PvE hunters have to earn it by doing PvE, safe from PvP, which is NOT the case in EvE that reward PvP above PvE, thereby it should not even have been allowed into the PvE category.
Let's me reformulate in a way EvE folks will understand: Which sheep was the best? The wolf!!! WTF go away!
Maybe someone should have been allowed to vote only in PvE OR in PvP, haha, I dunno, but asking the Nazis to told us who are the best Jews...that is kinda screwed.
This site has always been a strong PvP ground, but like some folks said, EvE actually advertises to get these votes twisted into their favor, while nobody else did, this render the result completely useless. EvE is a good game in SOME aspects, not PvE (it has some PvE, like EQ has some soloing, only Brad would try to tell you that EQ is ideal for soloers)! It would be like awarding the best soloing award to EQ! Nonsense!
SUGGESTION FOR NEXT YEAR: MMORPG.com staff should draw, at random, some users, and ask these. I dunno, you draw 1k names, send 1k emails, they have 1 week to answer, and after that the results. Drawing the names could be done anyway the staff like, from all users, from all users which X login in the last month...etc. Ideally, it should be random, could check survey ways to find a good way to get a fair random selection, without warning the users ideally. The drawing can be done during any month, like in April if you want...nothing prevent you to ask the question 6 months later...
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
2006 MMOWTF AWARD WINNERS
SWG "won" most categories there.
"Memories are meant to fade. They're designed that way for a reason."
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Blah blah blah, my favourite game didn't win, and one game company swept the board including the category that they are not famous for. Therefore poll must be skewed.
I used to play WoW, and left it because I got bored.
Used to play CoH/CoV which I left once I got bored (but it was great fun for a while, and I'd still highly recommend it)
I used to play SWG, which I left once it became a rubbish action game (by which I mean it was an action game which happened to also be rubbish) and just wasn't my sort of thing anymore.
I now play Eve, and I do happen to think that it's better than the others.
Surprised it swept the board?
A little; I didn't think a lot of people enjoyed hunting NPCs through asteroid fields in 0.4/0.5 space for half an hour like I do, but apparently there's enough of us to win that. I certainly enjoy it more than the timesink PvE of WoW.
Everything else; meh, seemed a likely outcome.
When a game I enjoy more comes along, I'll vote for that one instead, and if it doesn't win that doesn't mean anything other than "my tastes are out of sync with the majority of MMORPG.com's readership"
(And btw, Eve online has a complex plot which sits alongside player driven events and can be affected by them. The fact that the story is dynamic rather than a static event where the consequences only take place after the weekly patch - if at all, makes it more than worthy of best storyline).
Awesome quote by the way; love that movie.
There isnt much of a storydriven Environment in EvE, its a sandbox game, there isn't a scripted sotryline to follow, and thats a good thing. Yes, there are obviously player driven ones, but like I said, every game has those. From guilds competing for server/regional/world first kills, The politics of one player killing another on Lineage2 resulting in a guild war, which further turns into anarachy during a castle seige.
As for winning PvE as well, ill put that to a greedy cmmunity more than anything else. The simple reason is, every EvE fan loves to talk about how the PvP is awesome, and how PvE isnt an integral part of the game, and how losers don't like the game because they are carebears etc. So why did they feel compelled to vote it best PvE when they clearly want it to be known as a hardocre PvP game? Simple reason, they wanted it to have all the awards, regardless of its actual content.
if you think EVE has no story - well then i maybe should tell you my story (or atleast a tiny part of it
i joined EVE one year ago.
after my newbie days in empire i joined a 0.0 (no security space ... you can shoot everyone without intervention by NPCs or other gamemechanics - you have defend yourself... or die) corporation in a PvP alliance. before the game was quite boring - i killed npcs, ran missions, a bit of trading also.
but when i entered 0.0 - it was (and still is) a whole different world. you have big alliances fighting over terretory. you have betrayals on different levels - on alliance, corp and personal levels. you have people that are enemies for more than 3 years - not because they hate the player behind the character (but sometimes they do) - but because their corps are opposite (because of RP, because of past events - but mainly because of the later). and then you have people that try to colonize 0.0 (ISS for example) ... you have intrigues and animosities, you have diplomacy - you have mercenaries and traders, alliances and corps known for their military power and others known for their industrial power, you have pirates and miners.
i saw "empires" fall and new "empires" rise - i saw and was affected by first class intrigues. i saw people making peace because they faced the same powerful enemie, i saw people breaking peace because they saw an opportunity either to survive or to gain power.
events that happened one year, two years or even longer ago still affect people today. the Great Northern War (a war raging for several months) divided big parts of the community in different power-blocks. events like EC-P8R (one of the biggest sieges of a starsystem in EVE's history - at the time it happened it was the biggest event) changed the face of 0.0 on a large scale.
my alliance was part of the EC-P8R "event" - we tried to help the owners of the system to defend. the reason this system got attacked? intel of the aggressors told them that there's some capitalship production in this system, which would allow us to get bigger and better capitalships as we were allied with the owners of the system.
only a few people of us made it into the system - many "died" in the attempt to do so, though we used the weakest spot of their siege. after this first attack the aggressors locked the system down - the following days we tried to get more people into the system - but the siege was too perfect. we were facing an enemy consisting of more than 600 ships, we were less than 50. the whole week we tried to make a dent in their sieging force. it failed - we were not able to break it. after one week of constant siege only a few of us were left when our last bastion fall. yes - we knew we won't win before our first attempt. we still tried. and yet i felt hopeless, powerless and a bit sad when we got order to retreat (to secure atleast all assets that were in reach to us and maybe to survive long enough to get into safety) on the last day.
after this event my alliance reformed to a new entity, changing its structure and organisation - getting new friends and new enemies.
yes - this event might not have been that important in the background storyline of EVE, the gallente federation, the amarr empire, the caldari state or the minmatar republic won't set us now a monument, we likely never will be named in an official chronical (though there was some coverage in the EVE player news) - does it matter in the sense of any storyline? hell yes, it does. it matters in MY OWN storyline - as well as in the story of hundredth other players.
yes - EVE has not that much of explicite roleplay, where everyone is talking funny and behaving like a medieval knight. but because it has not that certain kind of roleplay doesn't mean it has no story at all. sometimes it's difficult to distinguish between player and character - but that's imho more interesting. why? classic roleplay seems to ask the question "what would this guy do in this weird situation?" .. while in EVE you ask yourself "what would (and will) i do in such a weird situation?" .. it's different, not worse or better - only different.
i don't have experience with other MMOs in regards to imersion into the game-world and/or storyline. all i can say, is: EVE HAS a story - the story every player writes for himself.