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Why many players dislike WoW so much?
sololoco
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Besides the NGE SWG, WoW , although having had a large number of players throughout it's existence (and not necessarily at the same time) looks to be the most hated game out.
Why is it? You have to admit many people post their dislike of this game and just about all who do have played it for a while.
Personally, I played it a few months and left, haven't been back since and I'm not planning on returning either. I didn't think it's as good as all the hype it generates but that's my point of view. I also think once Vanguard is released and gets going that many current players will leave WoW to play Vanguard. from what I've seen and read on Vanguard it seems it's a far superior game then WoW. I may be wrong since I haven't played it but it sure looks like it'll be a big hit among players.
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well lets see there was a 1000 reasons i didnt like it . the biggest reason i left wow and will never , ever pay them another cent is everything in the game is self centered and self servering . The big one for me was the way they would add stuff to the game like the rank 9 evis skill book and put it in a instance with a low drop rate the last day i played was the 15th run of Ubrs i made trying for that book without seeing it drop.
Like wake up blizzard am a grand marshal rogue who dosent do instances why would i pay you to run the same instance over and over for some stupid skill book, but anyways that was it for me i deleted my one and only toon a grand marshal rogue and canceled . But every item in the game was like that just the stupidest most poorly designed game ive ever seen
yup blizzard shouldn't try and force people to run there lame , boring ,repetitave instance's cause there are people like me who will say see ya
And am so glad i left because now there giving away my grand marshal weapons that took me 6 months at 16 hours a day everyday to get, for a couple days of pvp. well i would have left over that anyways so lol seeya blizzard
The smaller games are trying to keep up with Wow because they admire its sucess and the smaller studios and companies are changing like the Mom and Pop stores did.
Wow is the begining of a one size fits all transformation in the MMorpg genre where the game isn't built for hardcore pvp'ers or crafters but to appease the masses.
Oh yeah and personally I know Wow's community is destroying the general atmosphere of MMorpgs. Wow set records in players by pulling players who don't play MMo's into the game. People who never would have played mmo's are now among us. Players with completely different perspectives and opinions.
Worst of all there is a tremendous new to MMo group of players who bother the veterans with the haughty attitude of how MMo's should be similar to wow.
When a player STOP playing WoW, how does he feels?
You got your answer there, as to why they hate it. Raiding enforced AFTER the main gameplay made MANY bitter players. I am amazed it is sooo hard to get that point to be understood. Players will hate you because of raiding. We are not talking of a disappointment or some vague deception, we are talking about massive bitterness against something that isn't fair.
Is it worth getting all the hatred for whatever benefit raiding is supposed to grant? Nope. But to short-terms money grabbers that can't see ahead in time, like SoE, raiding seem like a perfect answer. It is evident that it destroy the fanbase and the good feeling players have with the product, afterward; but in the short term it mean more subscribtions as some players who would have quit stick. But there are other way to make some players remain longer, some would be better than raiding on the positive side, and won't have any negative side.
See, in their quest to hold the players at any cost, they forget that player ressentment is something to absolutely avoid. Raiding bring ressentment in it current form. Is it massive? Yes, but it is SPREADED thinly overtime, a little everywhere, so it is not instant, but act like a DoT.
See, ask the same question, but change WoW for Diablo. Players almost never experience ressentment after playing diablo, and if they resent such a bad feeling, it was slim and would pass away easily. With my near 5k posts, I hope that the devs get the point that the ressentment caused by raiding isn't fleeting, but it is there to stay. Peoples leaving Diablo where either happy, burned or disappointed, they where not bitter. Peoples leaving Warcraft where either happy, burned or disapointed, they where not bitter. Peoples quiting WoW...they are often bitter, and this is due to raiding been denying them their proper evolution, the rightful ending/neverending setting.
Now a dev could say: But ano's is in the minority. Well, more or less, the ressentment is proportional to the amount of time the player spent in game. Someone who play more than a year in EQ, yes it is a minority. So my ressentment is prolly bigger than the ressentment of 99% of the players, however, it doesn't mean that these 99% are not experiencing ressentment, proportional to the time "invested" in the game. Such ressentment might not be enought to make them talk about it, but it is prolly enought to make them choose a competitor over your product, or check and make sure that raiding isn't in their future game. And luckily for you, despite all my ressentment, I am very social and talktative...which is prolly unlikely for anyone having played as much as I did in such a short period of time.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
But to the point, my main reason for disliking WoW.
The community, its filled with so many kids, arrogant little self centered human beings , it sickens me, when i played SwG , i never felt it like that, SWG had the best community ever to date imo, pre cu / nge ofc , there was so much love all around from players , still the best community ever to date.
List of SOE lies
Well lets see, endless repetative questing on the off chance that no one else is gonna want the one decent drop...........
Where are the intelligent games MMO was about RPG role playing games crafters crafted, fighters kicked butt ....
One can only hope that out there is the next SWG (but better not broke and without sony)
saying this I still play well what else is out there and most of the guys I played SWG, DAOC etc are still in it praying for the next good game.... please someone tell me where to find it
Another rant but Im awake bored and in need of a kill
That could be told of Diablo to, and Diablo wasn't hated.
Peoples would tease Diablo and make jokes about it, but they where not hating it per say. WoW is suffering from far more than just joke and teases, many players just hate it, with a passion.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
BG's in WoW are so ZZZZZZZZZZZ mode , its the same shit over and over again, nothing exciting bout it anymore.
List of SOE lies
I'm gonna check out dungeon runners to see if its any cool
List of SOE lies
If you want Battlegrounds PvP, go play Guild Wars. It was built that way. A way that makes it not even comparable to any MMORPG... it's comparable to FPSs like Counter-Strike, or Magic the Gathering skills/pvp. It has a (near) perfect balance (blah, perfection isn't possible
What's the reason one PvP in WoW? Used to be just honor and all the grind. Personal reasons, not colective/community reasons (an actual war). The system has changed, yes... There is still barely no reason to fight for than just random moments of fun. While I don't see it as an actual War, more like constant mindless/pointless battles... they are going to be endless battles. No one will ever win. Which means that on the long run... there's no point at all. A quite simple solution would be to make some kind of PvP seasons... where the winner faction/community would win something as a whole, new faction places, new faction specific items, whatever. In a game with an endless war there has to be something to fight for. Something that immerses you. WoW (like many) just doesn't have anything near that... the PvP resumes to personal grinding for items or personal reputation and the ability to kill another.
Someone also said WoW has the best PvP... go check Eve Online, for immersion, for drama, for a reason to fight for. Check the political/territorial/conflict maps, for example... Just that.
Of course... In Eve the content isn't handed over to the player like giving food to a baby. They provide the tools and the world is pretty much player-driven. And with the whole PvP thing... the PvE also thrives, theres actually a reason to farm, there's actually a reason to work for items. If a game desires to be good in a long run... it has to have either a good PvP... or has to give "tools" so the players can "create" their own content, the reasons why to play. If not... you may have fun getting all the items, you may get the uber tier X armor. Why? Showoff or some kind of personal achievement/goal? Okay, fine... But what then? Wait for Blizzard/random developer to insert more content? Grind/farm the new now uber mega leet tier X armor? You'll get bored pretty soon... and you'll start to wonder why? Why and what do I need this for? Wouldn't it be fun if I could actually use it to do something besides grinding the next tier X armor just because they scripted/programmed some AI monsters that are more powerful?
Let's be honest:
The game is called World of Warcraft.
- There are a bunch of game out there without the word "World" that resemble more a world than WoW does.
- A game (thinking about the Warcraft saga) with such a tradition in the war itself, in making balanced games (even more if you think about both Diablo and Starcraft, games that achieved some of the best PvP and balance ever in games)... How the hell does a game with "War" on it's name doesn't have an active, engaging and ferocious war/pvp? Worse... It doesn't have just "War" on it's name... it has the whole "Warcraft" burden/tradition on top of it. Failing miserably, if you compare it to Blizzard own PvP standards in other games. Not being possible, due to server/hardware issues when raiding and attacking cities (therefor, world pvp in general) must have crippled most of the good and noble intentions they had with pvp from the start.
PVP in wow is also a joke. Battlegrounds are terrrible. If wow had real world pvp, i think the pvp would be outstanding, but instead you get battlegrounds that you have to continuously participate in to get honor. Now with new patch, any moron can get his/her hands on the grand marshall's gear. They completely disregarded the people that farmed rank 14 before the new patch. It's just not fun, and doing all of this is pointless. Say you do get the best gear, then what? You get to kill a lot of people in boring battlegrounds. This game just doesn't stay interesting. Burning crusade took way to long to release, and by now most people are just burned out on the stupid game. I can see blizzard slowly ruining this game as time goes on.
I think Ano summed it up pretty good.
In my case, it's obvious that WOW was advertised and sold as the casual MMO, the anti Everquest, the anti grind, anti raid. We all know how it turned out at L60, the totally opposite.
Now the number one thing for myself that annoys me is that the Blizz reps on the WOW forum boards over and over claimed that there where no direction change even though it was obvious that the direction of the game had changed from small casual group play into hardcore grind, raid. But a good number of people where sticking around waiting for the small casual content to come back just because of what these reps claimed. Sure You can understand that if they where honest, coming out during the raider vs non-raiders flame war that was going on when raid dungeon after raid dungeon was added and said something to this effect " If you dont raid or plan to do so dont expect to stay competetive on any level in the game. You can still enjoy the 1-59 game and hopefully sometime in the future we will free up resources to add more content for you" Sure they would had lost a bunch of customers but Bliz would have gained in the long run by being honest.
Maybe things will get better in BC. I guess that is for you to find out because I for one is not going to buy it. And if you are one of those people who enjoy raids and grinds, I dont think you have anything to worry about, BC will most likely be to your taste especially at L70.
Also, I didn't like the fact that the game is so pve based. Crafting is horrible, no player housing, too many instances, graphics could be better, etc, etc.
I couldn't have said it better myself.
Future Alliance Leader in the Upcoming MMO StarGate Worlds
Well if you enjoy grinding for items in instanced BG's that have zero impact on the game world then that's cool, I wish I could get into that. However after playing DAOC for years I need some MEANING and PURPOSE to my PvP, and WOW just doesn't deliver in that department,
*Speak leet like it was a real language.
*Cut you down even if others think you are a solid tank or healer.
*Boot you from a guild and give you a canned response towards the reason why you were booted. Or even block you from vent even if you are the most civil person ever to join the game....real life cowards
*Would creep me out just by the things they said on vent.
I didn't mind raiding so much and could care less if I got the latest gear, it was these equipment freaks that upset me. They would get mad at people, because they had time contsraints, for the latest and greatest loot. Then the raid would turn to hell, if one didn't get their 8/8 piece of armor. The game produces children, that were once adults. I remember when I was in og-guild , I would listen to these goofs missing classes in school to play this game (give me a break).
I think in an indirect way WOW is hated by people because of what it makes other people become, and at times you start hating yourself because of what you become. The game is a grind but the zones aren't that bad. it's the endless turmoil that makes people hate the game. Turmoil and 4 hour instances could make anyone a dick. I think when I first had the box set in 2004 and leveled my lock at around 10-11 that I had the best time. I Was in the gnome/dwarf starting snow zone (can't remember the name) and just enjoyed the special effects of all the casts, and hooked up with some RL friends to do some lowbie quests (it was fun). About 2 years later, made a 60 undead priest, was in a guild with a socially questionable priest leader, had full tier 1 with 550 gold and an epic mount while running BWL and some of Naxx-----hated every second of this game and the high school drop out failures in the guild.
Yeah I sound mean but hey the title is Why many players dislike Wow so Much.
Well, to begin with, the greater majority of people in this game are rude, inconsiderate, and think they're some sort of god. I got to the point where I would /leave the general and trade chats because of these people. Also, in instances, if you mess up and someone in your party is one of these people, they make the game hell for you. For example, I was a tank, and my party wiped because, I think, the mage pulled an extra mob. So, we all wiped because there were too many there. Anyway, on the way back from the graveyard, I didn't know the way back to where they were, cause I got stuck, and the Rogue wouldn't tell me because he didn't like me..... simply because, "you don't know how to tank."
I wasn't too fond of any of the instances, either. Oh, and waiting for BattleGround queue's was up to an hour and 20 minutes for AV, 48 minutes for AB, and 30 minutes for WSG.
You don't even have the slightest Idea of what PVP is. There is no game on the Market with better PVP than wow. IF any game ever had better PVP is now closed and dead. So, STFU, shave the little tiny hairs on your chin and be a fucking man.
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Well I have to say I don't think WoW has the best PvP by a long shot. So that's just a fanboy talking. (Guild Wars is an example as posted above.)
However I don't dislike WoW at all.. what I do dislike however is that there are so many fanboy (fanboys are fine) who refuse to consider that another mmorpg might be worth a look. The majorities seem to be so anti every other mmorpg. It'll be a shame when another mmorpg comes along that really is good maybe even better but the WoW fannies refuse to try it because there is no way it could compare to their precious WoW.
So it's not the game but rather the players that annoy me sometimes.