Will LoTRO flop?, Yes. Its made by Turbine, it's bringing nothing new in. Nohing special at all. Perhaps wont flop, but wont be anything spetacilour at all.
I don't think it will flop, but there will be a fair amount of backlash against it. What could of been a great unique gaming experience with incredible lore is going to be just like any other MMO but with a good back story. Turbines problem is that they aim so low to not offend anybody that they turn off everyone instead.
Nah doubt it'll flop, I reckon it'll exceed its record number of subscribers of any of it's mmorpgs. But I don't think the mmorpg will be all that and wonder how long it will retain people.
It plays like WoW, but has a LOTRO storyline. It'll do fine because people who play WoW will want something new, but if you didnt like WoW, it wont appeal to you either.
Tne funny thing reading these posts is about how this game is a WOW clone..
well to all you WOW fanbois out there - WOW copied a ton of games and packed it in a cartoony, no think world that takes no gaming skill to play.
WOW has copied elements of almost every successful game before it, yet you slam any game that does the same.. tsk tsk...
The difference her is this game is LORE based.. it has a specific backstory that is being held on to, not some wannabe lore that WOW pretends to have.
and BTW - this game was origionally Middle Earth online. It was changed after Turbine finally got the rights to the TOlkein works, and then they had to redo a ton of stuff to make sure that the lore was upheld.
To those that say its a flop before it has even hit the shelves, or have even played int he beta.. you should be ashamed of yourself...you have no clue what teh game is, the game play, etc.
Wait for the open beta to try it then come up with an ORIGIONAL critique..
all this Turbine sux so the game will sux is all BS..
I've been in the beta, the lore is funny, because as some thruths to the things that go on in the game, is very small compaired to the bs involved, yes a Tolkien fan will love it, just cuz the landscape is very pretty as far as the lore goes, that portion is done well... but I hate to break it to you, there wasnt a bunch of 'wizards' and whatnot running around middle earth...... the game has no backbone aside from pve and exploring the land..... i want endgame, i see no endgame, so i see flop...... and the term 'wow clone' is saying that its wow, with a diff story and scenery, obviously wow collected off of other games, as every game does
first of all you just broke NDA if you were actually in the beta..
that said: you dont know jack about lotr do you? Of course there are no wizards - there were only 5 total in the whole series..having any in game would be a travesty to the lore.
as far as endgame - did you try the monster play? .. you do realize that this game is still 3 months from release also dont you? plenty of time to add stuff to it.
Its knee-jerk reactions like yours that give bad press to a game thats not even finished...this one in particular is STILL in closed beta
not to mention the fact that there will be expansions yearly, if not faster, to add the other landmases and areas to the game .. aka ROhan, Gondor, Moria, etc. for the buildup to the battle at the black gates.
Next time - do some research before you post - and honor your word and personal responsibilities by not breaking the NDA.
It sounds like LOTRO will be like an out-patient clinic for WoW survivors. But unless they have a LOT of content, I doubt it will hold these people long-term.
The problem I see is that LOTR is centered firmly around a small group of characters performing specific things in a defined story. Since obviously not everyone can be a part of that, and since these story points (like the assault on Helm's Deep) are at specific points in the story, I'm not sure how you can successfully translate those story elements to a persistent, multiplayer world.
that said: you dont know jack about lotr do you? Of course there are no wizards - there were only 5 total in the whole series..having any in game would be a travesty to the lore.
Gandalf and his fellow Wizards were actually Maiar, as was Sauron. The Maiar were also closely related to the Balrogs, as both came from the Ainur. The Balrogs followed Melkor while the Maiar initially followed various other Valar. While there were only a few Maiar know to be roaming Middle Earth in the third age there is certainly wiggle room for a lot more.
A stickier point is that they are fundamentally more powerful beings then most of the other residents of middle earth. Some of the eldest born elves like Galadriel are really the only ones that compare.
I suppose they could twist the lore a bit and have a wizard class come from the knowledge possessed by elves, men of Numenor, etc. Of course none of these needs to be called Wizards but Im not sure if it would truly break the lore if they were.
Previews at E3 and PAX were positive and they are talking about an open beta before release so I guess we shall see. I am not expecting anything terribly innovative myself but rumor has it that the game is very very polished and smooth. Here is a blog I found earlier, although not being a former EQ player I don't know anymore about crushbone than what he posted here
Turbine missed the mark by miles with DDO, I played AC2 but not for very long. I am willing to give them the benifit of the doubt on LOTR especially because I have yet to play it. We will all see, I am a fan of the books and the movies, not to mention Tolkien started the whole Fantasy genre as we know it. I kind of wish the would have made the setting a couple of hundred years or so before the Ring Trilogy.
The original poster is putting a lot of faith in Vanguard, I was in Beta for quite a while and wasn't impressed. Though in it's defense I am not that into crafting and the game seems to revolve around it.
I'll give LOTR a try, in open Beta . I'll be a subscriber likely. If it is good.
The original poster also thinks there aren't any good promising MMORPG's around the corner, I dissagree. AoC, Gods and Heroes, LOTR and Warhammer just to name a few.
I hate to bash but honestly the more I think about it..
Bash GOOD. More Bash!
Hey, if the bash fits then bash with gusto.
Everything Bahk and most others said so far is the truth, especially with regard to marketing this plain vanilla game to enough gamers to create a sizeable community. It will never last, this game is already a lead zeppelin, especially with Turbine behind it.
When I was a boy I read JR Tolkien's Lord of the Rings in a tree fort my friends and I had built far enough away from the nearest real house so that we could smoke pot and not attract the cops. We took turns reading aloud between bong hits. Then for hours we'd all be quite affected by the story, everything filtered through the lens of Tolkien's famous story. Years later when I saw the LotR movie I thought: what a POS. My main complaint was the casting but the movies was a let-down in many other ways. I suppose for modern children who are not in the habit of reading anything more complicated than the menu at McDonalds, the LotR movie was a big event. How pathetic.
About the lead Zeppelin thing i don't understand are u being sarcastic because
A you spelt it worng and
led zeplin was one of the best Rock and Roll bands of all times and there Albums are still selling because their music is well enough to carry on through generations
and lotro is going to be a smashing sucsess it will probally start out with about 600k then settle after a year at 350k and turbine has really pulled it around its going to be in the top 5 MMO's for a long time to come it definatly should not be getting bashed at all and for the guy who said it was a clone of WoW you obvouisly have not done any research on your games because it does alot of things diffrent then WoW and when i think of this game wow does not even come to my mind
I hate to bash but honestly the more I think about it..
Bash GOOD. More Bash!
Hey, if the bash fits then bash with gusto.
Everything Bahk and most others said so far is the truth, especially with regard to marketing this plain vanilla game to enough gamers to create a sizeable community. It will never last, this game is already a lead zeppelin, especially with Turbine behind it.
When I was a boy I read JR Tolkien's Lord of the Rings in a tree fort my friends and I had built far enough away from the nearest real house so that we could smoke pot and not attract the cops. We took turns reading aloud between bong hits. Then for hours we'd all be quite affected by the story, everything filtered through the lens of Tolkien's famous story. Years later when I saw the LotR movie I thought: what a POS. My main complaint was the casting but the movies was a let-down in many other ways. I suppose for modern children who are not in the habit of reading anything more complicated than the menu at McDonalds, the LotR movie was a big event. How pathetic.
About the lead Zeppelin thing i don't understand are u being sarcastic because
A you spelt it worng and
led zeplin was one of the best Rock and Roll bands of all times and there Albums are still selling because their music is well enough to carry on through generations
and lotro is going to be a smashing sucsess it will probally start out with about 600k then settle after a year at 350k and turbine has really pulled it around its going to be in the top 5 MMO's for a long time to come it definatly should not be getting bashed at all and for the guy who said it was a clone of WoW you obvouisly have not done any research on your games because it does alot of things diffrent then WoW and when i think of this game wow does not even come to my mind
I hate to bash but honestly the more I think about it..
Bash GOOD. More Bash!
Hey, if the bash fits then bash with gusto.
Everything Bahk and most others said so far is the truth, especially with regard to marketing this plain vanilla game to enough gamers to create a sizeable community. It will never last, this game is already a lead zeppelin, especially with Turbine behind it.
When I was a boy I read JR Tolkien's Lord of the Rings in a tree fort my friends and I had built far enough away from the nearest real house so that we could smoke pot and not attract the cops. We took turns reading aloud between bong hits. Then for hours we'd all be quite affected by the story, everything filtered through the lens of Tolkien's famous story. Years later when I saw the LotR movie I thought: what a POS. My main complaint was the casting but the movies was a let-down in many other ways. I suppose for modern children who are not in the habit of reading anything more complicated than the menu at McDonalds, the LotR movie was a big event. How pathetic.
About the lead Zeppelin thing i don't understand are u being sarcastic because
A you spelt it worng and
led zeplin was one of the best Rock and Roll bands of all times and there Albums are still selling because their music is well enough to carry on through generations
and lotro is going to be a smashing sucsess it will probally start out with about 600k then settle after a year at 350k and turbine has really pulled it around its going to be in the top 5 MMO's for a long time to come it definatly should not be getting bashed at all and for the guy who said it was a clone of WoW you obvouisly have not done any research on your games because it does alot of things diffrent then WoW and when i think of this game wow does not even come to my mind
Hey numbnut, "lead Zeppelin" is an expression of failure. Before the rock band Led Zeppelin there was something called a Zeppelin or dirigible which was a rigid airship having a long cylindrical body supported by internal gas cells. Designed and manufactured by Count Ferdinand von Zeppelin around the early 1900's. Lead is considered a heavy metal. Hence if one had a "lead Zeppelin" it would crash and fail. So before you spout off try and be a little more educated!
By the way the name of the rock band "Led Zeppelin" came about by a quote from Roger Daltrey of The Who was asked about this new band then at the time called "The New Yardbirds" he said it would crash like a lead Zeppelin.
Well it looks like general public access to the open beta is on 06 April so everyone should get plenty of tim ebefore release to decide if the want to buy it or not. See number 10 on this page
To answer the former question, I will easily say "no". It won t be a flop since LOTR have all the content for a good and fun game.
I am playing for few weeks no, and tried all classes up to lvl 15 (early teen) and they were all fun and interesting to play. The tradeskills are nice and not boring so far.
Only question is : what is the high lvl content? but if the devs did the same job quality than for the lower lvl, I am sure that LOTR will be a success
I think it'll do ok. Won't be a huge hit, but won't tank like Auto Assault, either. It'll just be yet another average casual friendly MMO that tried to be WoW, but didn't have the resources to even come close.
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
I dont think this game game will be flop by a long shot, just by the fact that its a Middle Earth MMORPG. Wether it will have as many subs as WOW or has nothing to sink your teath into is another matter. I think the game will at least be good for people who want to explore the world of LOTR in a PVE enviroment.
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Nah doubt it'll flop, I reckon it'll exceed its record number of subscribers of any of it's mmorpgs. But I don't think the mmorpg will be all that and wonder how long it will retain people.
http://reviewmmo.blogspot.com Where I review any and all MMO's. Takes more then fancy graphics to impress me.
well to all you WOW fanbois out there - WOW copied a ton of games and packed it in a cartoony, no think world that takes no gaming skill to play.
WOW has copied elements of almost every successful game before it, yet you slam any game that does the same.. tsk tsk...
The difference her is this game is LORE based.. it has a specific backstory that is being held on to, not some wannabe lore that WOW pretends to have.
and BTW - this game was origionally Middle Earth online. It was changed after Turbine finally got the rights to the TOlkein works, and then they had to redo a ton of stuff to make sure that the lore was upheld.
To those that say its a flop before it has even hit the shelves, or have even played int he beta.. you should be ashamed of yourself...you have no clue what teh game is, the game play, etc.
Wait for the open beta to try it then come up with an ORIGIONAL critique..
all this Turbine sux so the game will sux is all BS..
that said: you dont know jack about lotr do you? Of course there are no wizards - there were only 5 total in the whole series..having any in game would be a travesty to the lore.
as far as endgame - did you try the monster play? .. you do realize that this game is still 3 months from release also dont you? plenty of time to add stuff to it.
Its knee-jerk reactions like yours that give bad press to a game thats not even finished...this one in particular is STILL in closed beta
not to mention the fact that there will be expansions yearly, if not faster, to add the other landmases and areas to the game .. aka ROhan, Gondor, Moria, etc. for the buildup to the battle at the black gates.
Next time - do some research before you post - and honor your word and personal responsibilities by not breaking the NDA.
Personally I think it will fill a niche. Turbine will get enough players to keep things profitable.
And that's fine with me. The more MMORPG's that "Flop" the less interested developers and producers will be on taking a chance.
So I hope LOTR will do just fine.
Now if someone would only make that horror/gothic horror MMORPG I've been dreaming about..
Never be afraid of choices. More choices are always good things.
Things to keep in mind.
Much of the talent that made AC1 left around the time of AC2.
In LOTR, you will never be more than a secondary character in a story that has already been written. Frodo destroys the ring, not you (oops spoiler).
It will flop.
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
It sounds like LOTRO will be like an out-patient clinic for WoW survivors. But unless they have a LOT of content, I doubt it will hold these people long-term.
The problem I see is that LOTR is centered firmly around a small group of characters performing specific things in a defined story. Since obviously not everyone can be a part of that, and since these story points (like the assault on Helm's Deep) are at specific points in the story, I'm not sure how you can successfully translate those story elements to a persistent, multiplayer world.
Gandalf and his fellow Wizards were actually Maiar, as was Sauron. The Maiar were also closely related to the Balrogs, as both came from the Ainur. The Balrogs followed Melkor while the Maiar initially followed various other Valar. While there were only a few Maiar know to be roaming Middle Earth in the third age there is certainly wiggle room for a lot more.
A stickier point is that they are fundamentally more powerful beings then most of the other residents of middle earth. Some of the eldest born elves like Galadriel are really the only ones that compare.
I suppose they could twist the lore a bit and have a wizard class come from the knowledge possessed by elves, men of Numenor, etc. Of course none of these needs to be called Wizards but Im not sure if it would truly break the lore if they were.
Previews at E3 and PAX were positive and they are talking about an open beta before release so I guess we shall see. I am not expecting anything terribly innovative myself but rumor has it that the game is very very polished and smooth. Here is a blog I found earlier, although not being a former EQ player I don't know anymore about crushbone than what he posted here
http://tobolds.blogspot.com/2007/01/crushbone-factor.html
I miss DAoC
Turbine missed the mark by miles with DDO, I played AC2 but not for very long. I am willing to give them the benifit of the doubt on LOTR especially because I have yet to play it. We will all see, I am a fan of the books and the movies, not to mention Tolkien started the whole Fantasy genre as we know it. I kind of wish the would have made the setting a couple of hundred years or so before the Ring Trilogy.
The original poster is putting a lot of faith in Vanguard, I was in Beta for quite a while and wasn't impressed. Though in it's defense I am not that into crafting and the game seems to revolve around it.
I'll give LOTR a try, in open Beta . I'll be a subscriber likely. If it is good.
The original poster also thinks there aren't any good promising MMORPG's around the corner, I dissagree. AoC, Gods and Heroes, LOTR and Warhammer just to name a few.
Bash GOOD. More Bash!
Hey, if the bash fits then bash with gusto.
Everything Bahk and most others said so far is the truth, especially with regard to marketing this plain vanilla game to enough gamers to create a sizeable community. It will never last, this game is already a lead zeppelin, especially with Turbine behind it.
When I was a boy I read JR Tolkien's Lord of the Rings in a tree fort my friends and I had built far enough away from the nearest real house so that we could smoke pot and not attract the cops. We took turns reading aloud between bong hits. Then for hours we'd all be quite affected by the story, everything filtered through the lens of Tolkien's famous story. Years later when I saw the LotR movie I thought: what a POS. My main complaint was the casting but the movies was a let-down in many other ways. I suppose for modern children who are not in the habit of reading anything more complicated than the menu at McDonalds, the LotR movie was a big event. How pathetic.
About the lead Zeppelin thing i don't understand are u being sarcastic because
A you spelt it worng and
and lotro is going to be a smashing sucsess it will probally start out with about 600k then settle after a year at 350k and turbine has really pulled it around its going to be in the top 5 MMO's for a long time to come it definatly should not be getting bashed at all and for the guy who said it was a clone of WoW you obvouisly have not done any research on your games because it does alot of things diffrent then WoW and when i think of this game wow does not even come to my mind
Bash GOOD. More Bash!
Hey, if the bash fits then bash with gusto.
Everything Bahk and most others said so far is the truth, especially with regard to marketing this plain vanilla game to enough gamers to create a sizeable community. It will never last, this game is already a lead zeppelin, especially with Turbine behind it.
When I was a boy I read JR Tolkien's Lord of the Rings in a tree fort my friends and I had built far enough away from the nearest real house so that we could smoke pot and not attract the cops. We took turns reading aloud between bong hits. Then for hours we'd all be quite affected by the story, everything filtered through the lens of Tolkien's famous story. Years later when I saw the LotR movie I thought: what a POS. My main complaint was the casting but the movies was a let-down in many other ways. I suppose for modern children who are not in the habit of reading anything more complicated than the menu at McDonalds, the LotR movie was a big event. How pathetic.
About the lead Zeppelin thing i don't understand are u being sarcastic because
A you spelt it worng and
and lotro is going to be a smashing sucsess it will probally start out with about 600k then settle after a year at 350k and turbine has really pulled it around its going to be in the top 5 MMO's for a long time to come it definatly should not be getting bashed at all and for the guy who said it was a clone of WoW you obvouisly have not done any research on your games because it does alot of things diffrent then WoW and when i think of this game wow does not even come to my mind
Funniest post ever.Bash GOOD. More Bash!
Hey, if the bash fits then bash with gusto.
Everything Bahk and most others said so far is the truth, especially with regard to marketing this plain vanilla game to enough gamers to create a sizeable community. It will never last, this game is already a lead zeppelin, especially with Turbine behind it.
When I was a boy I read JR Tolkien's Lord of the Rings in a tree fort my friends and I had built far enough away from the nearest real house so that we could smoke pot and not attract the cops. We took turns reading aloud between bong hits. Then for hours we'd all be quite affected by the story, everything filtered through the lens of Tolkien's famous story. Years later when I saw the LotR movie I thought: what a POS. My main complaint was the casting but the movies was a let-down in many other ways. I suppose for modern children who are not in the habit of reading anything more complicated than the menu at McDonalds, the LotR movie was a big event. How pathetic.
About the lead Zeppelin thing i don't understand are u being sarcastic because
A you spelt it worng and
and lotro is going to be a smashing sucsess it will probally start out with about 600k then settle after a year at 350k and turbine has really pulled it around its going to be in the top 5 MMO's for a long time to come it definatly should not be getting bashed at all and for the guy who said it was a clone of WoW you obvouisly have not done any research on your games because it does alot of things diffrent then WoW and when i think of this game wow does not even come to my mind
Hey numbnut, "lead Zeppelin" is an expression of failure. Before the rock band Led Zeppelin there was something called a Zeppelin or dirigible which was a rigid airship having a long cylindrical body supported by internal gas cells. Designed and manufactured by Count Ferdinand von Zeppelin around the early 1900's. Lead is considered a heavy metal. Hence if one had a "lead Zeppelin" it would crash and fail. So before you spout off try and be a little more educated!
By the way the name of the rock band "Led Zeppelin" came about by a quote from Roger Daltrey of The Who was asked about this new band then at the time called "The New Yardbirds" he said it would crash like a lead Zeppelin.
Well it looks like general public access to the open beta is on 06 April so everyone should get plenty of tim ebefore release to decide if the want to buy it or not. See number 10 on this page
http://lotro.turbine.com/index.php?page_id=103#faq_01
I miss DAoC
To answer the former question, I will easily say "no". It won t be a flop since LOTR have all the content for a good and fun game.
I am playing for few weeks no, and tried all classes up to lvl 15 (early teen) and they were all fun and interesting to play. The tradeskills are nice and not boring so far.
Only question is : what is the high lvl content? but if the devs did the same job quality than for the lower lvl, I am sure that LOTR will be a success
I think it'll do ok. Won't be a huge hit, but won't tank like Auto Assault, either. It'll just be yet another average casual friendly MMO that tried to be WoW, but didn't have the resources to even come close.
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
I dont think this game game will be flop by a long shot, just by the fact that its a Middle Earth MMORPG. Wether it will have as many subs as WOW or has nothing to sink your teath into is another matter. I think the game will at least be good for people who want to explore the world of LOTR in a PVE enviroment.