Yes McDonalds most certainly is one of the best restaurants in the world. They didn't become so successful from being a crappy restaurant. Your failed logic, "what I have is the best ...." may get you through the day but not most people. The seem to be two major groups that respond, thats that are all for eve and those totally against. Trying to have a discussion is almost impossible because with the "all for crowd" everything is perfect but then again one wonders why are they trolling here and not playing the game? More than likely they simply work for CCP and their assignment is to troll the different forums and put down anyone that has anything to say about eve that could be perceived as negative.
If your position were not flawed with "Less is more, but I want to be around 8 million people," then maybe we could have a discussion. But no, you complain that you lost something that would probably cost 30 copper in WoW, you complain about logging on when you have to wait 8 minutes to log onto WoW.
--When you resubscribe to SWG, an 18 yearold Stripper finds Jesus, gives up stripping, and moves with a rolex reverend to Hawaii. --In MMORPG's l007 is the opiate of the masses. --The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence! --CCP could cut off an Eve player's fun bits, and that player would say that it was good CCP did that.
I agree with the "Don't go into lowsec in a frigate" only in so much as it applies to your first few weeks in EVE. Eventually you are probably going to want to explore that part of the game, and the best way to do it is in a ship that only costs 100 K to fully fit. Much better that your first PVP experiences be in something so cheap, since you will end up losing it.
I agree with the "Don't go into lowsec in a frigate" only in so much as it applies to your first few weeks in EVE. Eventually you are probably going to want to explore that part of the game, and the best way to do it is in a ship that only costs 100 K to fully fit. Much better that your first PVP experiences be in something so cheap, since you will end up losing it.
Do not go into Low Sec in a Thorax when you cannot use medium weapons and no medium Shield boosters or medium armour repairers. YOU WILL DIE.
Go ahead And enjoy you're game with 8 million players. To bad Blizzard released the numbers and 6 million of those are chinese... Cough Famrers Cough...
AnyWHO. This is a harsh game with harsh penalties if you don't like it then you don't like the game plain and simple. But don't get angry when people defend the game you're flaming on the forum which is dedicated to THAT specific game. Thats like me walking into your house going "F*ck this carpet it's ugly and F your food it sucks" that would just be rude... Or walking into your precious Mcdonalds with a Whopper and talking about how great it is.
And lastly If you ask anyone who plays WoW why they play it. they can't give you a VALID reason all they'll say is "It's fun" or "my friends play it" i mean some people find smoking fun and thats super populaur by people all over the world that doesn't make it a good thing to de for 12 hours a day. Meanwhile ask any of the players of Eve (most 25+ BTW) and they will give you a cohesive AND coherant statement as to why they enjoy this game.
If you knew anything about the food industry then you would not be dis'in MickyDs', their standards are among the highest in the industry and maintaining those standards with the number of restaurants they have is immpressive to say the least. But wade in with ignorant opinions rather that substantiated fact.
There is nothing wrong going into low security as a new player. I didnt' get ganked I warped to one of over 70 moons in systems and it just happened to have a hostile to anyone pos there. I was not expecting that. The hassle involved to replace all my stuff and its represented by time, thats REAL time, not some imaginary game time and it bothers me to waste my time like that. You may not have a life and thus have loads of time to spend logged onto eve but I have things to do and can only afford a couple hours a night at most. Whether or not you have the intellect to understand or not who cares.
This is just a hint, whether you take it or leave it is up to you entirely.
Someone who seems incapable of distinguishing the difference between a company's business practices and the palatability of their food to a particular individual should probably avoid discussions of anyone's intellectual abilities.
If you knew anything about the food industry then you would not be dis'in MickyDs', their standards are among the highest in the industry and maintaining those standards with the number of restaurants they have is immpressive to say the least. But wade in with ignorant opinions rather that substantiated fact. There is nothing wrong going into low security as a new player. I didnt' get ganked I warped to one of over 70 moons in systems and it just happened to have a hostile to anyone pos there. I was not expecting that. The hassle involved to replace all my stuff and its represented by time, thats REAL time, not some imaginary game time and it bothers me to waste my time like that. You may not have a life and thus have loads of time to spend logged onto eve but I have things to do and can only afford a couple hours a night at most. Whether or not you have the intellect to understand or not who cares.
If you have such a limited amount of time to play, then maybe MMORPGs are not for you. I mean they are rather time intensive games. Games like WoW would have you raid for months of "play time" with your guild to get some loot.
--I know enough about the food industry to know that McDonalds is the only one who will not eliminate transfat... I guess McDonalds is that good, healthy, and tasty food.
--When you resubscribe to SWG, an 18 yearold Stripper finds Jesus, gives up stripping, and moves with a rolex reverend to Hawaii. --In MMORPG's l007 is the opiate of the masses. --The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence! --CCP could cut off an Eve player's fun bits, and that player would say that it was good CCP did that.
hm... he seem to think that More people = Better taste ? So... WOW is the best because it has the most players. McDonalds is the best restaurant cause it has the most guests.. That also means Backstreet Boys and Jessica Simpson are the best music artist and the best clothes to wear in the world is pink Hello Kitty T Shirts...
I do not think I ever want to see this dude... He scares me
"This is not a game to be tossed aside lightly. It should be thrown with great force"
If you knew anything about the food industry then you would not be dis'in MickyDs', their standards are among the highest in the industry and maintaining those standards with the number of restaurants they have is immpressive to say the least. But wade in with ignorant opinions rather that substantiated fact. There is nothing wrong going into low security as a new player. I didnt' get ganked I warped to one of over 70 moons in systems and it just happened to have a hostile to anyone pos there. I was not expecting that. The hassle involved to replace all my stuff and its represented by time, thats REAL time, not some imaginary game time and it bothers me to waste my time like that. You may not have a life and thus have loads of time to spend logged onto eve but I have things to do and can only afford a couple hours a night at most. Whether or not you have the intellect to understand or not who cares.
Anyone seen Super Size me?
Yeah there is a lot wrong with going into Low Sec as a new player. You are going to lose your ship. If you don't mind losing your ship then there is nothing wrong.
If you knew anything about the food industry then you would not be dis'in MickyDs', their standards are among the highest in the industry and maintaining those standards with the number of restaurants they have is immpressive to say the least. But wade in with ignorant opinions rather that substantiated fact. There is nothing wrong going into low security as a new player. I didnt' get ganked I warped to one of over 70 moons in systems and it just happened to have a hostile to anyone pos there. I was not expecting that. The hassle involved to replace all my stuff and its represented by time, thats REAL time, not some imaginary game time and it bothers me to waste my time like that. You may not have a life and thus have loads of time to spend logged onto eve but I have things to do and can only afford a couple hours a night at most. Whether or not you have the intellect to understand or not who cares.
Haven't you finished crying your eyes out about your kestrel or your ibis or whatever it was?
If you knew anything about the food industry then you would not be dis'in MickyDs', their standards are among the highest in the industry and maintaining those standards with the number of restaurants they have is immpressive to say the least. But wade in with ignorant opinions rather that substantiated fact.
Getting somewhat off topic here, but I WILL dis McDonald's from my own experience, even if it is a few years old (have avoided them since):
McDonald's has a tendency to make whole batches of burgers and keep them warm until people buy them. Which can really hurt the quality, how much depends on how long they were in "storage". If you are lucky, you get a relatively fresh one. If you are not so lucky, you get a pulpy bun and a limp lettuce leaf.
But never, ever did I get a hamburger at McDonalds that was started after I ordered it. I had those occasionally at other fast food places, and they proved that hamburger can be quite delicious. WAY better than at McDonald's.
This entire conversation about McDonalds is absolutely rediculous and reeks of teenage troll.
You think McDonalds is the greatest restaurant in the world? Go eat a filet mignon at a four star restaurant then eat a soggy, lukewarm reheated BigMac and tell me which is better.
Even as far as the fast food industry is concerned, there are far better places out there. Have a Wendy's spicy chicken sandwich or a nice sub from Subway or Quiznos, and compare that to your McDonald's burger. There is more to the restaurant industry than how many units you sell. I've never seen a top notch chef working in a McDonalds.
Sure, McDonalds is fine for convenience in a pinch, and everyone's eaten there at some point because of that fact, but saying that it is the best restaurant in the world is absurd. That would be like saying that 7-11 is the most wonderful grocery store in North America because they make the most bread sales.
I always love it when the eve trolls so up. As always anyone that has any complaint about eve it totally messed. funny thing is even the dev's have admitted to making mistakes with the game. using your logic they must be idiots too. Here is a better idea, eve trolls go make your own post and stop bother people who would like an intelligent conversation. something you trolls are incapable of doing.
As much as I hate when people get in silly arguments on game forums, I just can't help responding to this.
You're complaining about EVE trolls.... on the EVE forums. EVE players who are defending the game you're bashing... on the EVE forums. Don't you see something wrong with this? Or did you just click on the wrong game forum link? Or are you just trolling for responses? By complaining about trolls...
This thread is quickly going from the all-too-common, silly "I hate EVE and I'm going to complain about it on the EVE forums where they will surely want to hear about it!" thread, to the also all-too-common "I have nothing else to do but see how many people will respond to a thread if I just keep making rediculous posts" thread.
Please, PLEASE, just stop posting on our forums if you hate EVE so much. We really don't want to hear about it. Trust me, we're aware that not everyone likes EVE. But we do, so let us like it, and you can go back to doing whatever it is that you like to do.
It intresting thing that all the fanboi's jumping to the defence of EVE seem to have glossed over is that he was not killed by a player.
Even in low sec it is a criminal action (you are breaking the law and commiting a crime) to attak a non-war target. So when you get popped by a POS, who takes the sec hit?
If no one then that is an exploit of the game mechanics as CCP has set it up that when you commit a crime you take a sec hit thus the corp owning the POS should have taken a Sec hit for killing him.
Like every game EVE has rules, while you can choose to ignore them you are supposedly responcible for your actions thus the sec hit for any criminal action, although while the Prat welfare progam is in place you will not really be held acountable or treated as a criminal.
Well, the thing is LeJohn, on the one hand, about the POS kill, it's really his own fault for warping to a moon. It's pretty well known in the game that you shouldn't warp to moons, for this exact reason. It's just teh POS defending itself. Imagine if the POS didn't attack neutrals, and a hostile corp/alliance to the owners of the POS just made an alt corp and all warped in on the POS and set up while it just sat there unable to do anything until they attacked.
And criminals can dock/trade/etc in high sec, but if their security status is too low for the area they are docked in, they will be popped when they undock unless they are in a shuttle/pod. So, they are severly limited in what they can do in those stations. Such as not being able to take any ships out of them, other than to run out of the system.
So, IMO, the system works the way it's supposed to already. Sure, it can be pretty lax at times, but it's not a game for people who want to be safe all the time. It's a game for people who want to be excited and have a little danger in everything they do. Think Star Wars instead of Star Trek. It's supposed to be dangerous, and you're not supposed to be able to just go through your whole career without ever having to worry about dastardly deeds.
the eve forums.......... I consider those to be the forums run by ccp. i do wonder why fanboys are trolling out of game forums instead of "playing eve" or browsing their own forum, which is quite extensive. anyway after two days being pissed off i'm back and into a caracal now with arbalest assault launchers, tech II shield booster, and two named BCSs, needless to say i can handle any npc rat in empire but these dam pirates just wont' leave me alone which i don't totally get since my char is now only 5 days old. what exactly do they expect to get from me?? my ship and a few million isk is all i got and boy is it annoying not being able to just settle in and make some isk. i did have the pleasure of sending a couple of pirates packing though, i guess they were thinking being only a few days old i couldn't defend myself. the moon thing .... I was so pissed because why on earth would a noob 1 day old char have a negative standing toward anyones corp and thus have to feel the effect of their guns, especially in empire. anyhow i have found it incredibly easy to make isk, I seem to find at least 2 million in loot just checking wrecks at gates i jump through every night so far. and the best part is three offers to come join corps of people I met in the game(one of them a pirate corp too !!!), I guess the nice ones are "actually playing" and not trolling here .....
Well, the thing is LeJohn, on the one hand, about the POS kill, it's really his own fault for warping to a moon. It's pretty well known in the game that you shouldn't warp to moons, for this exact reason. It's just teh POS defending itself. Imagine if the POS didn't attack neutrals, and a hostile corp/alliance to the owners of the POS just made an alt corp and all warped in on the POS and set up while it just sat there unable to do anything until they attacked.
And criminals can dock/trade/etc in high sec, but if their security status is too low for the area they are docked in, they will be popped when they undock unless they are in a shuttle/pod. So, they are severly limited in what they can do in those stations. Such as not being able to take any ships out of them, other than to run out of the system.
So, IMO, the system works the way it's supposed to already. Sure, it can be pretty lax at times, but it's not a game for people who want to be safe all the time. It's a game for people who want to be excited and have a little danger in everything they do. Think Star Wars instead of Star Trek. It's supposed to be dangerous, and you're not supposed to be able to just go through your whole career without ever having to worry about dastardly deeds.
The point remains, replace the post defending it's self with corp memeber. The corp memeber was jsut defending it's self from being jumped by non blues.... Thats a criminal offence by CCPs and EVE's standards.
Yes they can dock, trade etc... thats because in 2003 the Prats (ok the GM Prats) enacted the Prat welfare program. Back then there was a big uproar because a few players (about 43) had fubared (hit -10) their avatars and were shot by concord apon entering 0.1 space. Because there was only 3000 players the Devs removed concords presence and restored the ability to enter empire and were treated as the non-criminals. Within a week you had mass Noob Kills in 1.0 space as the Prats went on a rampage. CCP promised to renstate the Criminal flagging and response but started slowly by adding gate guns and guards but also stating that with as few palyeres as there were (back then) criminal flagging was not a real problem. Read this as, we don't have that many players so we are not going to run them off.
Your last statement, well think about it. The point of being a criminal well the excitemnt of being a criminal is that you could get causgt and punished. Ask most shoplifters why they steal it's not becuse they cant afford the item it's for the thrill. I would think that all the players claming that they love the thrill of PVP in EVE would want the Thrill of actualy being treated as a criminal. Your last sentance is correct, Criminals should have to worry about their criminal acts, thats how EVE was originally designed. But becuse of such a small playerbase CCP let players off the hook and for some reasion continue to do so long after the resioning "small playerbase" is no longer relevent.
I always love it when the eve trolls so up. As always anyone that has any complaint about eve it totally messed. funny thing is even the dev's have admitted to making mistakes with the game. using your logic they must be idiots too. Here is a better idea, eve trolls go make your own post and stop bother people who would like an intelligent conversation. something you trolls are incapable of doing.
One of their admitted mistakes was making it too easy to earn money in safe space, making the game too appealing to people like... you.
Help them fix this problem. Quit today.
Originally posted by LeJohn
Yes they can dock, trade etc... thats because in 2003 the Prats (ok the GM Prats) enacted the Prat welfare program. Back then there was a big uproar because a few players (about 43) had fubared (hit -10) their avatars and were shot by concord apon entering 0.1 space. Because there was only 3000 players the Devs removed concords presence and restored the ability to enter empire and were treated as the non-criminals. Within a week you had mass Noob Kills in 1.0 space as the Prats went on a rampage. CCP promised to renstate the Criminal flagging and response but started slowly by adding gate guns and guards but also stating that with as few palyeres as there were (back then) criminal flagging was not a real problem. Read this as, we don't have that many players so we are not going to run them off.
Which alternate-universe EVE did any of this happen in? You've managed to take a few incidents from 3 years ago that you clearly have no first-hand knowledge of and twist them into this magical fantasy world to support your stupid ideas.
Just as an example, the problem with concord non-response was that the concord reaction was triggered by security status loss, not criminal action - once people were at -10.0, there was no additional sec loss, so there was no concord reaction. This was quickly patched, and the people who were abusing it were punished. Of course, this fact doesnt really mesh with your crack-addled fantasy, isn't that odd?
the eve forums.......... I consider those to be the forums run by ccp. i do wonder why fanboys are trolling out of game forums instead of "playing eve" or browsing their own forum, which is quite extensive.
anyway after two days being pissed off i'm back and into a caracal now with arbalest assault launchers, tech II shield booster, and two named BCSs, needless to say i can handle any npc rat in empire but these dam pirates just wont' leave me alone which i don't totally get since my char is now only 5 days old. what exactly do they expect to get from me?? my ship and a few million isk is all i got and boy is it annoying not being able to just settle in and make some isk. i did have the pleasure of sending a couple of pirates packing though, i guess they were thinking being only a few days old i couldn't defend myself.
the moon thing .... I was so pissed because why on earth would a noob 1 day old char have a negative standing toward anyones corp and thus have to feel the effect of their guns, especially in empire.
anyhow i have found it incredibly easy to make isk, I seem to find at least 2 million in loot just checking wrecks at gates i jump through every night so far. and the best part is three offers to come join corps of people I met in the game(one of them a pirate corp too !!!), I guess the nice ones are "actually playing" and not trolling here .....
There ya go Tom, see, it's not that bad after all. And losing a frigate really isn't that big a deal afterall.
Oh, and the fact that you were shot at by the POS even though you were neutral and not hostile was both a game mechanic and a setting that the owners of the POS put on. You can set it to shoot at hostiles or neutrals. Hell, you can set it to shoot at alliance and corp members if you want.
And remember, not all of us are trolling (although I'm sure a couple are). Many people on these forums are bored at work or something and just check in here among other places to see if there's anything new going on. But enough about that, like you said, we all have a universe to conquer, so let's get back to it.
P.S. - glad to see you gave EVE another try and that it's going a little better for you now.
Just as a reminder. This is PT's first post, the post he hoped to use to start an intellegent conversation witht hose who play EVE regularly. Does anyone else find the intellegent conversation excuse as pathetic as I do?
This guy's purpose is to troll, plain and simple. That being the case, by responding with anger or outrage, no matter how justified, all we are doing is feeding his sick sense of humor. In other words, he is using us?
You all okay with that?
Originally posted by pirateTOM
so i finally get into my first frigate, kestral. Go to a .3 system to kill some more lucrative rats. Engage my first cruiser and after getting it into armor i need to warp out casue my cap in drained. I pick a moon randomly, warp to the moon and land on a POS. GET fXXKIN SCRAMBLED AND MY SHIP BLOWN UP?? MF ......... DOES THIS TOTALLY SUCK OR WHAT ??? FxxK THIS ... I LOG AND MY EVE EXPERIENCE IS OVER. What a load of crap to have to go through only to be put back to square one so quickly. Well I was bored anyway and bringing up a new character really sux with all the massive amounts of training required to be able to do stuff and fit your ship properly. Another thing that bugged me was that unlike in WOW where you can put up your entire skill tree at once and work out your character in EVE I had to build my character blind each step of the way. Forcing going back time and time again and then finally just setlling cause it get dam boring fast having to redo everything time and time again trying to put together a character. 33K online but loads of lag and much much difficulty logging on several times due to server lag. This was also really annoying when you have to pop in every hour or two to attending to skill training. You would think after 3 plus years they would have heard of skill queing by now. Still TOO many things that are NO fun and a pain in the butt and you are forced to do. My main account has been closed almost 6 months. I really dont' miss it and TBH it feels good to be out of the "spell". Sorry to those that profess your love for eve but the game sounds better when you are talking about it than it actually turns out to be when playing it.
edit: Having read the rest of the posts I will say that if PT wants to play EVE, fine. I will reserve jusdgement until I see some further action.
This is definitely a bad bad baaaaaaadddddddddd luck character. Three caracals later I'm tired of him. The first, all pimped out and the move to 0.0 begins, but first a very low security system to fatten the wallet by npc'in some juicy BC's. The system has been empty for days so I feel pretty secure and head out to the belts only to find wreckage there from an earlier npc'er. Hmm lookes like a convoy wreck so I decided to investigate and head toward it. Two people jump in and I hit warp to clear out but OMFG I'm stuck on the dam wreck!!! WTF ....... panic is setting in and a crow shows up!!! OMG I'm dead meat but no I'm holding my own against this ship that should kill me easily ... I'm actually winning ............FLASHING red accomplish shows up in a BATTLESHIP and quickly sucks all the energy from my cap and I'm destroyed tout sweet!! I'm not sure how to keep from hanging up on a can ........... yes lots of very bad words spoken to my screen. To obtain a replacement forces me through 0.0. A short trip and I run into no problems, buy a new ship and head back to 0.0 where I found a suitable system to hunt in. A day later I run out of ammo and need to refit which means going back to empire and the imfamous 0.0 gate camp. I make all the needed adjustments, get more ammo and check the gate as best as I can by scouting the other side first. Back to station pick up my ship and back to the gate. (this takes all of 60 seconds) And what do I find when I jump in??? A 20 man gate camp the came from nowhere........ I'm dead in less time. The next day scrapping together enough to just get into a ship and basically fit it I head out again and this time make it back to my hunting system in 0.0. I'm doing fairly well, clearing out to safety when anyone shows up until I engage a spawn I've killed three times already this day. Previously I had all the time I had needed to finish this spawn off so warping away from it was never attempted. This fateful time though I had just engaged when hostiles jumped into systems and it was very evident these were hunters so I hit my trusty warp to safespot ....... only I'm not warping ..... WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF? I try and try and try and finally notice amongst the many combat messages that the rats have me scrambled MF .. $#%$#^%$^%$^%$&^%$ ....... I'm fxcked as they say and simply wait for my doom to show up cause there is no way for me to kill off my scrambling rats fast enough to all escape and death shows up soon. The scout arrrives and adds to my woes and then about 20 of his friends show up too and then i'm dead and I'm broke and very very tired of this poor miserable bad luck character. I should have known better when I lost that first kessey warping to the only moon in a seven system radius that could hurt me. to say the least this char is dead to me as of today. maybe another trial is in order but this very repetitive cycle has been no fun at all.
On the other hand though, you would have done well to look into joining a corp/alliance that holds soverienty over a system or two and ratted there for cash instead of trying to solo it out in 0.0, as this often leads to bad things. But I think you already figured that out for yourself.
If I were you and you still want to try your hand with EVE, I wouldn't just give up on this character unless you REALLY are pissed about him. There's really no reason to switch to another character unless you have your stats severly screwed up. Just post a message on the EVE-O forums in the corp recruiting page and tell them what you are looking for in a corp. I promise that you will get responses. People are always looking for meat shields - er, good pilots.
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BTW- You like McDonalds?
It's the Best food ever? Good I'll enjoy shrimp, lobsters, and prawns, while you eat Bigmacs©
--When you resubscribe to SWG, an 18 yearold Stripper finds Jesus, gives up stripping, and moves with a rolex reverend to Hawaii.
--In MMORPG's l007 is the opiate of the masses.
--The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence!
--CCP could cut off an Eve player's fun bits, and that player would say that it was good CCP did that.
Do not go into Low Sec in a Thorax when you cannot use medium weapons and no medium Shield boosters or medium armour repairers. YOU WILL DIE.
I know.
AnyWHO. This is a harsh game with harsh penalties if you don't like it then you don't like the game plain and simple. But don't get angry when people defend the game you're flaming on the forum which is dedicated to THAT specific game. Thats like me walking into your house going "F*ck this carpet it's ugly and F your food it sucks" that would just be rude... Or walking into your precious Mcdonalds with a Whopper and talking about how great it is.
And lastly If you ask anyone who plays WoW why they play it. they can't give you a VALID reason all they'll say is "It's fun" or "my friends play it" i mean some people find smoking fun and thats super populaur by people all over the world that doesn't make it a good thing to de for 12 hours a day. Meanwhile ask any of the players of Eve (most 25+ BTW) and they will give you a cohesive AND coherant statement as to why they enjoy this game.
If you knew anything about the food industry then you would not be dis'in MickyDs', their standards are among the highest in the industry and maintaining those standards with the number of restaurants they have is immpressive to say the least. But wade in with ignorant opinions rather that substantiated fact.
There is nothing wrong going into low security as a new player. I didnt' get ganked I warped to one of over 70 moons in systems and it just happened to have a hostile to anyone pos there. I was not expecting that. The hassle involved to replace all my stuff and its represented by time, thats REAL time, not some imaginary game time and it bothers me to waste my time like that. You may not have a life and thus have loads of time to spend logged onto eve but I have things to do and can only afford a couple hours a night at most. Whether or not you have the intellect to understand or not who cares.
Someone who seems incapable of distinguishing the difference between a company's business practices and the palatability of their food to a particular individual should probably avoid discussions of anyone's intellectual abilities.
It may save you some embarrassment someday.
If you have such a limited amount of time to play, then maybe MMORPGs are not for you. I mean they are rather time intensive games. Games like WoW would have you raid for months of "play time" with your guild to get some loot.
--I know enough about the food industry to know that McDonalds is the only one who will not eliminate transfat... I guess McDonalds is that good, healthy, and tasty
--When you resubscribe to SWG, an 18 yearold Stripper finds Jesus, gives up stripping, and moves with a rolex reverend to Hawaii.
--In MMORPG's l007 is the opiate of the masses.
--The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence!
--CCP could cut off an Eve player's fun bits, and that player would say that it was good CCP did that.
hm... he seem to think that More people = Better taste ? So... WOW is the best because it has the most players. McDonalds is the best restaurant cause it has the most guests.. That also means Backstreet Boys and Jessica Simpson are the best music artist and the best clothes to wear in the world is pink Hello Kitty T Shirts...
I do not think I ever want to see this dude... He scares me
"This is not a game to be tossed aside lightly.
It should be thrown with great force"
Anyone seen Super Size me?
Yeah there is a lot wrong with going into Low Sec as a new player. You are going to lose your ship. If you don't mind losing your ship then there is nothing wrong.
Go away.
Sadly, Eve is not a game which panders to those who seek instant gratification.
Yes, you lost a ship. Yes, it will take time to replace it.
And your point is........?
McDonald's has a tendency to make whole batches of burgers and keep them warm until people buy them. Which can really hurt the quality, how much depends on how long they were in "storage". If you are lucky, you get a relatively fresh one. If you are not so lucky, you get a pulpy bun and a limp lettuce leaf.
But never, ever did I get a hamburger at McDonalds that was started after I ordered it. I had those occasionally at other fast food places, and they proved that hamburger can be quite delicious. WAY better than at McDonald's.
You think McDonalds is the greatest restaurant in the world? Go eat a filet mignon at a four star restaurant then eat a soggy, lukewarm reheated BigMac and tell me which is better.
Even as far as the fast food industry is concerned, there are far better places out there. Have a Wendy's spicy chicken sandwich or a nice sub from Subway or Quiznos, and compare that to your McDonald's burger. There is more to the restaurant industry than how many units you sell. I've never seen a top notch chef working in a McDonalds.
Sure, McDonalds is fine for convenience in a pinch, and everyone's eaten there at some point because of that fact, but saying that it is the best restaurant in the world is absurd. That would be like saying that 7-11 is the most wonderful grocery store in North America because they make the most bread sales.
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A great man inspires men with what he can do. A great leader inspires men with what THEY can do.
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
Cost of ship and equipment. VS Money made with (pve, mining, missions) or damage done with. (pvp)
my two best records are:
S.S. Bobbie II: Raven + equipment = $160mil ISK made $2.5bil apox
successful because I'm careful. Plain and simple.
It's just a moa: Moa + equipment = $75mil Damage done $50bil+ (Damn thous freighters and their kill mails that don't list their 500k m3 of cargo)
successful because I was fling with some great ppl, that and ppl seem to be surprised when that Moa 170k away starts to smack them for 250 dmg a pop.
If you look at a loss like that then it not bad at all. Unlike my first eagle.
Rabbitgod's Eagle: Eagle + equipment = $300mil, Popped 15min latter by a war target.
I always love it when the eve trolls so up. As always anyone that has any complaint about eve it totally messed. funny thing is even the dev's have admitted to making mistakes with the game. using your logic they must be idiots too. Here is a better idea, eve trolls go make your own post and stop bother people who would like an intelligent conversation. something you trolls are incapable of doing.
You're complaining about EVE trolls.... on the EVE forums. EVE players who are defending the game you're bashing... on the EVE forums. Don't you see something wrong with this? Or did you just click on the wrong game forum link? Or are you just trolling for responses? By complaining about trolls...
This thread is quickly going from the all-too-common, silly "I hate EVE and I'm going to complain about it on the EVE forums where they will surely want to hear about it!" thread, to the also all-too-common "I have nothing else to do but see how many people will respond to a thread if I just keep making rediculous posts" thread.
Please, PLEASE, just stop posting on our forums if you hate EVE so much. We really don't want to hear about it. Trust me, we're aware that not everyone likes EVE. But we do, so let us like it, and you can go back to doing whatever it is that you like to do.
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A great man inspires men with what he can do. A great leader inspires men with what THEY can do.
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
It intresting thing that all the fanboi's jumping to the defence of EVE seem to have glossed over is that he was not killed by a player.
Even in low sec it is a criminal action (you are breaking the law and commiting a crime) to attak a non-war target. So when you get popped by a POS, who takes the sec hit?
If no one then that is an exploit of the game mechanics as CCP has set it up that when you commit a crime you take a sec hit thus the corp owning the POS should have taken a Sec hit for killing him.
Like every game EVE has rules, while you can choose to ignore them you are supposedly responcible for your actions thus the sec hit for any criminal action, although while the Prat welfare progam is in place you will not really be held acountable or treated as a criminal.
An so it begins
Take the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.[/CENTER]
And criminals can dock/trade/etc in high sec, but if their security status is too low for the area they are docked in, they will be popped when they undock unless they are in a shuttle/pod. So, they are severly limited in what they can do in those stations. Such as not being able to take any ships out of them, other than to run out of the system.
So, IMO, the system works the way it's supposed to already. Sure, it can be pretty lax at times, but it's not a game for people who want to be safe all the time. It's a game for people who want to be excited and have a little danger in everything they do. Think Star Wars instead of Star Trek. It's supposed to be dangerous, and you're not supposed to be able to just go through your whole career without ever having to worry about dastardly deeds.
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A great man inspires men with what he can do. A great leader inspires men with what THEY can do.
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
the eve forums.......... I consider those to be the forums run by ccp. i do wonder why fanboys are trolling out of game forums instead of "playing eve" or browsing their own forum, which is quite extensive.
anyway after two days being pissed off i'm back and into a caracal now with arbalest assault launchers, tech II shield booster, and two named BCSs, needless to say i can handle any npc rat in empire but these dam pirates just wont' leave me alone which i don't totally get since my char is now only 5 days old. what exactly do they expect to get from me?? my ship and a few million isk is all i got and boy is it annoying not being able to just settle in and make some isk. i did have the pleasure of sending a couple of pirates packing though, i guess they were thinking being only a few days old i couldn't defend myself.
the moon thing .... I was so pissed because why on earth would a noob 1 day old char have a negative standing toward anyones corp and thus have to feel the effect of their guns, especially in empire.
anyhow i have found it incredibly easy to make isk, I seem to find at least 2 million in loot just checking wrecks at gates i jump through every night so far. and the best part is three offers to come join corps of people I met in the game(one of them a pirate corp too !!!), I guess the nice ones are "actually playing" and not trolling here .....
The point remains, replace the post defending it's self with corp memeber. The corp memeber was jsut defending it's self from being jumped by non blues.... Thats a criminal offence by CCPs and EVE's standards.
Yes they can dock, trade etc... thats because in 2003 the Prats (ok the GM Prats) enacted the Prat welfare program. Back then there was a big uproar because a few players (about 43) had fubared (hit -10) their avatars and were shot by concord apon entering 0.1 space. Because there was only 3000 players the Devs removed concords presence and restored the ability to enter empire and were treated as the non-criminals. Within a week you had mass Noob Kills in 1.0 space as the Prats went on a rampage. CCP promised to renstate the Criminal flagging and response but started slowly by adding gate guns and guards but also stating that with as few palyeres as there were (back then) criminal flagging was not a real problem. Read this as, we don't have that many players so we are not going to run them off.
Your last statement, well think about it. The point of being a criminal well the excitemnt of being a criminal is that you could get causgt and punished. Ask most shoplifters why they steal it's not becuse they cant afford the item it's for the thrill. I would think that all the players claming that they love the thrill of PVP in EVE would want the Thrill of actualy being treated as a criminal. Your last sentance is correct, Criminals should have to worry about their criminal acts, thats how EVE was originally designed. But becuse of such a small playerbase CCP let players off the hook and for some reasion continue to do so long after the resioning "small playerbase" is no longer relevent.
An so it begins
Take the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.[/CENTER]
Help them fix this problem. Quit today. Which alternate-universe EVE did any of this happen in? You've managed to take a few incidents from 3 years ago that you clearly have no first-hand knowledge of and twist them into this magical fantasy world to support your stupid ideas.
Just as an example, the problem with concord non-response was that the concord reaction was triggered by security status loss, not criminal action - once people were at -10.0, there was no additional sec loss, so there was no concord reaction. This was quickly patched, and the people who were abusing it were punished. Of course, this fact doesnt really mesh with your crack-addled fantasy, isn't that odd?
Oh, and the fact that you were shot at by the POS even though you were neutral and not hostile was both a game mechanic and a setting that the owners of the POS put on. You can set it to shoot at hostiles or neutrals. Hell, you can set it to shoot at alliance and corp members if you want.
And remember, not all of us are trolling (although I'm sure a couple are). Many people on these forums are bored at work or something and just check in here among other places to see if there's anything new going on. But enough about that, like you said, we all have a universe to conquer, so let's get back to it.
P.S. - glad to see you gave EVE another try and that it's going a little better for you now.
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A great man inspires men with what he can do. A great leader inspires men with what THEY can do.
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
Just as a reminder. This is PT's first post, the post he hoped to use to start an intellegent conversation witht hose who play EVE regularly. Does anyone else find the intellegent conversation excuse as pathetic as I do?
This guy's purpose is to troll, plain and simple. That being the case, by responding with anger or outrage, no matter how justified, all we are doing is feeding his sick sense of humor. In other words, he is using us?
You all okay with that?
edit: Having read the rest of the posts I will say that if PT wants to play EVE, fine. I will reserve jusdgement until I see some further action.
oooohhhhhhhhh nnnnnnnnooooooooooooo !!!!!!!!
This is definitely a bad bad baaaaaaadddddddddd luck character. Three caracals later I'm tired of him. The first, all pimped out and the move to 0.0 begins, but first a very low security system to fatten the wallet by npc'in some juicy BC's. The system has been empty for days so I feel pretty secure and head out to the belts only to find wreckage there from an earlier npc'er. Hmm lookes like a convoy wreck so I decided to investigate and head toward it. Two people jump in and I hit warp to clear out but OMFG I'm stuck on the dam wreck!!! WTF ....... panic is setting in and a crow shows up!!! OMG I'm dead meat but no I'm holding my own against this ship that should kill me easily ... I'm actually winning ............FLASHING red accomplish shows up in a BATTLESHIP and quickly sucks all the energy from my cap and I'm destroyed tout sweet!! I'm not sure how to keep from hanging up on a can ........... yes lots of very bad words spoken to my screen.
To obtain a replacement forces me through 0.0. A short trip and I run into no problems, buy a new ship and head back to 0.0 where I found a suitable system to hunt in. A day later I run out of ammo and need to refit which means going back to empire and the imfamous 0.0 gate camp. I make all the needed adjustments, get more ammo and check the gate as best as I can by scouting the other side first. Back to station pick up my ship and back to the gate. (this takes all of 60 seconds) And what do I find when I jump in??? A 20 man gate camp the came from nowhere........ I'm dead in less time.
The next day scrapping together enough to just get into a ship and basically fit it I head out again and this time make it back to my hunting system in 0.0. I'm doing fairly well, clearing out to safety when anyone shows up until I engage a spawn I've killed three times already this day. Previously I had all the time I had needed to finish this spawn off so warping away from it was never attempted. This fateful time though I had just engaged when hostiles jumped into systems and it was very evident these were hunters so I hit my trusty warp to safespot ....... only I'm not warping ..... WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF? I try and try and try and finally notice amongst the many combat messages that the rats have me scrambled MF .. $#%$#^%$^%$^%$&^%$ ....... I'm fxcked as they say and simply wait for my doom to show up cause there is no way for me to kill off my scrambling rats fast enough to all escape and death shows up soon. The scout arrrives and adds to my woes and then about 20 of his friends show up too and then i'm dead and I'm broke and very very tired of this poor miserable bad luck character. I should have known better when I lost that first kessey warping to the only moon in a seven system radius that could hurt me. to say the least this char is dead to me as of today. maybe another trial is in order but this very repetitive cycle has been no fun at all.
Trust me, it's not always like that.
On the other hand though, you would have done well to look into joining a corp/alliance that holds soverienty over a system or two and ratted there for cash instead of trying to solo it out in 0.0, as this often leads to bad things. But I think you already figured that out for yourself.
If I were you and you still want to try your hand with EVE, I wouldn't just give up on this character unless you REALLY are pissed about him. There's really no reason to switch to another character unless you have your stats severly screwed up. Just post a message on the EVE-O forums in the corp recruiting page and tell them what you are looking for in a corp. I promise that you will get responses. People are always looking for meat shields - er, good pilots.
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A great man inspires men with what he can do. A great leader inspires men with what THEY can do.
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7