I'm glad i wasted my virgin post on another topic then this one.
Anyway lighten up eh? It's one thing to debate and argue about it as mature folks, and another to result to the "you can't spell, your stupid" attacks between each other.
As thumpers mother once told me, if you can't say nothing nice, don't say anything at all.
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Don't forget that pretty much every MMORPG out there creates expansion packs on top of charging a monthly fee. I too am a lucky alpha tester and can tell you that this game (while still in alpha) is unbelievably stable and I've yet to experience an actual crash.
Talking about this game cutting corners in order to keep their head above water financially is just pointless. The numbers speak for themselves, it'll cost less than pay to play games and you don't need to actually buy the expansion packs. Do you want entirely free content, Gnarled? Gain some perspective. The team are made up of some of the best senior developers and designers from past blizzard games such as starcraft, diablo 2, etc. Do you really think that in all of their wisdom and experience, they would create a game they didn't think would survive or meet expectations?
Regardless, most people will come to their senses and will be playing this game sooner or later, including people like yourself who like to go against the grain for the sake of it.
Originally posted by UnKn0wN I'm glad i wasted my virgin post on another topic then this one. Anyway lighten up eh? It's one thing to debate and argue about it as mature folks, and another to result to the "you can't spell, your stupid" attacks between each other. As thumpers mother once told me, if you can't say nothing nice, don't say anything at all.
If you'd read the entire thread you'd prolly know why I did that. I pretty much gave up, in general I think I present pretty clear and concise arguments, even if I am disagreeable. Thanks for coming out and judging tho.
"I can tell you with no ego, this is my finest sword. If, on your journey, you should encounter God. . . . . . God will be cut." - Quentin Tarantino, Kill Bill
There is no way GW will be bigger than WOW. The fact is most people don't want a PVP game. Just look at everquest. It has 400,000 subscribers. Now look at a PVP game like Shadowbane. 40,000 subscribers.
Originally posted by ghoul31 There is no way GW will be bigger than WOW. The fact is most people don't want a PVP game. Just look at everquest. It has 400,000 subscribers. Now look at a PVP game like Shadowbane. 40,000 subscribers.
Ghoul31,
I just wanted to make sure you know that Guild Wars can't really be called exclusively a "PvP Game." There are just too many other things to do in Guild Wars that do not involve player versus player gameplay. Sure, we'll support PvP in great ways, but those who like solo gaming will find a place in Guild Wars, and those who enjoy participating in team quests will also enjoy the game a ton. (I really like the quests best of all, I think!)
I know that some people get a little confused when we say "A competitive roleplaying game" or when they see "Wars" in the name Guild Wars. But you can be sure there are a lot of different choices beyond PvP and Guild Wars will be a well-rounded game experience for just about everyone.
Gaile Gray Community Relations Manager ArenaNet www.guildwars.com & www.arena.net
Gaile Gray Community Relations Manager ArenaNet www.guildwars.com & www.arena.net
Replacing a monthly fee with an expansion pack system gives me, the customer, a lot more power over the quality of the game. You see, if they aren't staying afloat with a montly fee, that means they have to release an expansion pack that the majority of the player base must buy.
Think about that, the expansion pack HAS TO BE GOOD, or else they risk losing money and folding. Now that's an incentive to release quality. Not some bullshit expansions that EQ has been passing off lately. Despite Sony's claims, I don't really believe EQ is constantly updated with new content. How many free zones over the 5 years have been released? Just a handful. 60 months of constant updates= 4-5 zones? I call bullshit.
And why should they? they have a subscription base that allows them to stay alive without releasing that fantastic expansion that really grips a player. Look at DAoC! Did shrouded isle really add to the story behind each realm? I played in Albion, and I had no idea what was going on. Did the Avalonians in Abribards retreat really have that bitter contempt and hatred over losing their homeland? Absolutely not! When you arrived on their homeland.. Do they have great hopes for reclaiming it? No! A highlander talks about winning the war and that's about it. I don't need to talk about ToA, many say it ruined rvr.
Now if Sony and Mythic didn't have the 120$ subscription money from each player inbetween expansion, would SoL, SI, PoP, ToA been such lousy expansions?
Originally posted by Gnarled Because. . . Diablo 2. . .isn't err. . .a mmorpg ? And you've made umm, 32. . . grammatical and, ahhh. .. syntax errors. . . in one post ?
Doesn't matter if Diablo II is a MMoRPG or not its only proves that a game can be made to play online with server support for free. And if the only fact you can come up with is that someone made a spelling mistake then why waste everyone time. We are all here to talk about games not grammer please stop wasting very ones time. You have no facts and no leg to stand on here go play a game or something.
Originally posted by UnKn0wN I'm glad i wasted my virgin post on another topic then this one. Anyway lighten up eh? It's one thing to debate and argue about it as mature folks, and another to result to the "you can't spell, your stupid" attacks between each other. As thumpers mother once told me, if you can't say nothing nice, don't say anything at all.
HAHA he does this because he has nothing of value to offer to the debate. My guess is he is just trying to up his post numbers or just likes to waste peoples time.
Originally posted by ghoul31 There is no way GW will be bigger than WOW. The fact is most people don't want a PVP game. Just look at everquest. It has 400,000 subscribers. Now look at a PVP game like Shadowbane. 40,000 subscribers.
HMM if you want to look at numbers then you might want to include a PvP game called Lineage which has 6,000,000 subscribers and is the biggest user base in the world. Make EQ's number look like crap hehe. DAoC whose end game is totally PvP type RvR also has 400,000 subcribers as well. If your going to compair don't pick the worse and compare it to the best I can do that the oposite way. Lineage 6,000,000 compaired to AC 2 HMM does anyone play that anymore .
WoW will do great but its not free to play and as long as thats in place people will play Guild Wars. I know I will be playing both for the first time ever I will be playing 2 MMoRPG's at the exact same time on an ongoing basis.
Next guild wars is not totally PvP and for your infor WoW will also have PvP type RvR. So your really compairing 2 PvP games then in a way. Even EQ has PvP servers and people do play on them so part of there subscription base is PvP.
Originally posted by Gnarled Because. . . Diablo 2. . .isn't err. . .a mmorpg ? And you've made umm, 32. . . grammatical and, ahhh. .. syntax errors. . . in one post ?
Doesn't matter if Diablo II is a MMoRPG or not its only proves that a game can be made to play online with server support for free. And if the only fact you can come up with is that someone made a spelling mistake then why waste everyone time. We are all here to talk about games not grammer please stop wasting very ones time. You have no facts and no leg to stand on here go play a game or something.
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Indeed. That's a very powerful argument. You've defeated all the points in all my posts with your brilliant "no leg to stand on" interjection. And your complete illustration of my lack of facts with, a total lack of facts. . . absolute genius. Whatever will I do ?
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Originally posted by ghoul31 There is no way GW will be bigger than WOW. The fact is most people don't want a PVP game. Just look at everquest. It has 400,000 subscribers. Now look at a PVP game like Shadowbane. 40,000 subscribers.
HMM if you want to look at numbers then you might want to include a PvP game called Lineage which has 6,000,000 subscribers and is the biggest user base in the world. Make EQ's number look like crap hehe. DAoC whose end game is totally PvP type RvR also has 400,000 subcribers as well. If your going to compair don't pick the worse and compare it to the best I can do that the oposite way. Lineage 6,000,000 compaired to AC 2 HMM does anyone play that anymore .
WoW will do great but its not free to play and as long as thats in place people will play Guild Wars. I know I will be playing both for the first time ever I will be playing 2 MMoRPG's at the exact same time on an ongoing basis.
Next guild wars is not totally PvP and for your infor WoW will also have PvP type RvR. So your really compairing 2 PvP games then in a way. Even EQ has PvP servers and people do play on them so part of there subscription base is PvP.
Well both Lineage and DAOC have a much longer and more diverse leveling system than guild wars with much more to offer such as crafting, quests etc. Guild wars has stated it will have a short leveling time so you can get right to the PVP. This is the Same as Shadowbane.
As for the Everquest PVP servers. About one in 10 of the everquest servers is PVP. So by your logic WOW will be 10 times more popular than GW.
HMM if you want to look at numbers then you might want to include a PvP game called Lineage which has 6,000,000 subscribers and is the biggest user base in the world. Make EQ's number look like crap hehe. DAoC whose end game is totally PvP type RvR also has 400,000 subcribers as well. If your going to compair don't pick the worse and compare it to the best I can do that the oposite way. Lineage 6,000,000 compaired to AC 2 HMM does anyone play that anymore .
WoW will do great but its not free to play and as long as thats in place people will play Guild Wars. I know I will be playing both for the first time ever I will be playing 2 MMoRPG's at the exact same time on an ongoing basis.
Next guild wars is not totally PvP and for your infor WoW will also have PvP type RvR. So your really compairing 2 PvP games then in a way. Even EQ has PvP servers and people do play on them so part of there subscription base is PvP.
Well both Lineage and DAOC have a much longer and more diverse leveling system than guild wars with much more to offer such as crafting, quests etc. Guild wars has stated it will have a short leveling time so you can get right to the PVP. This is the Same as Shadowbane.
As for the Everquest PVP servers. About one in 10 of the everquest servers is PVP. So by your logic WOW will be 10 times more popular than GW.
Why is WoW going to be free to play as well? No didnt think so. GW will be great for the fact thats its free to play if for no other reason.
As for DAoC I play this and all anyone wants in the game is to be PL to level 50 ASAP to get the the RvR. If the longer leveling was something people wanted they wouldn't be bitching and PLing. If people wanted the long level then why are people buying leveled characters on E-bay? There will always be some people that like the slow level grind and for those people there are alot of games out there already to choose from. But the majority of people like to get to the end game ASAP and enjoy it. If GW has the fastest leveling then thats only going to make them even more popular. Everyone I knowin DAoC would not want to accually go through the level grind ever again which is why Mythic gave us the /level system.
Most people only want to spend a few hours in a game at any one time and in that time they want to have fun not grind.
Crafting in DAoC is a major grind and anyone that levels crafting to its end all go it AFK with macros so crafting is something no one enjoys really. Crafting in Lineage is pretty much non-existant not sure where you were going that that.
Questing in DAoC is something people only do to get there epics other than that people hate questing. Now there will always be a few people that like it but most don't. Now even WoW knows that questing is not the biggest thing on peoples minds thats why there doing everything they can in the questing system to make it as easy a possible. I have a RL friend that things the WoW quests system sucks because its to easy and he likes EQ's questing system. I know others that think its going to be great the point is you can't please everyone. So you have to choose to make most happy or the few. GW picks the most I guess, as does WoW.
There will still be people that don't like either but even all my friends agree even if they don't like GW they will still buy it because it free to play and they can dabble in it as they choose. They also think it will make for a great break from the usual MMoRPG. So with that being said even if people play EQ / DAoC / AO / AC / AC2 / WoW / Neocron / Lineage / or so many others they can all still play GW at the same time for free. This is the reason GW will do so well.
Originally posted by Crowen Doesn't matter if Diablo II is a MMoRPG or not its only proves that a game can be made to play online with server support for free. And if the only fact you can come up with is that someone made a spelling mistake then why waste everyone time. We are all here to talk about games not grammer please stop wasting very ones time. You have no facts and no leg to stand on here go play a game or something.
Indeed. That's a very powerful argument. You've defeated all the points in all my posts with your brilliant "no leg to stand on" interjection. And your complete illustration of my lack of facts with, a total lack of facts. . . absolute genius. Whatever will I do ?
I actually like how both games are headed, they are different though. WoW is more your typical MMORPG while Guild Wars seem to be a blend between Everquest and Diablo (hopefully minus the fools )
WoW doesn't seem to be all that different from most traditional MMORPGs. Im not going to get WoW because its going to come out really late. Im sticking with Guild Wars personally. The game looks like its gonna kick so much ass!
Someone want to explain to me why it has to be either/or with these two games? Seems that with no monthly fee Guild Wars and WoW and co exist on just about everyone's PC and pocket book.
That's right, most people (unlike you) have big concerns regarding which one to buy. The No-Monthly fee will attract an amazing number of players. In my 10 member clan which has been around since starcraft, only 1 persons has bought an MMORPG and is playing (star wars galaxies). Only because he's a star wars lover.
EDIT-(AFter talking with him again, he's severely dissapointed at SWG hehe. Oh what a surpirse another poor mmorpg with monthly fees)
The remaining 9 of us, have never paid for an online game monthly, and we all are going to be Guild Wars (so long as the public demo doesn't demonstrate that its not a great game).
So, no monthly fee + quality game = many more initial purchasers GUARANTEED.
Who will buy the 1st expansion pack? That's a whole different story. No one can tell.
Why is WoW going to be free to play as well? No didnt think so. GW will be great for the fact thats its free to play if for no other reason. As for DAoC I play this and all anyone wants in the game is to be PL to level 50 ASAP to get the the RvR. If the longer leveling was something people wanted they wouldn't be bitching and PLing. If people wanted the long level then why are people buying leveled characters on E-bay? There will always be some people that like the slow level grind and for those people there are alot of games out there already to choose from. But the majority of people like to get to the end game ASAP and enjoy it. If GW has the fastest leveling then thats only going to make them even more popular. Everyone I knowin DAoC would not want to accually go through the level grind ever again which is why Mythic gave us the /level system. Most people only want to spend a few hours in a game at any one time and in that time they want to have fun not grind. Crafting in DAoC is a major grind and anyone that levels crafting to its end all go it AFK with macros so crafting is something no one enjoys really. Crafting in Lineage is pretty much non-existant not sure where you were going that that. Questing in DAoC is something people only do to get there epics other than that people hate questing. Now there will always be a few people that like it but most don't. Now even WoW knows that questing is not the biggest thing on peoples minds thats why there doing everything they can in the questing system to make it as easy a possible. I have a RL friend that things the WoW quests system sucks because its to easy and he likes EQ's questing system. I know others that think its going to be great the point is you can't please everyone. So you have to choose to make most happy or the few. GW picks the most I guess, as does WoW. There will still be people that don't like either but even all my friends agree even if they don't like GW they will still buy it because it free to play and they can dabble in it as they choose. They also think it will make for a great break from the usual MMoRPG. So with that being said even if people play EQ / DAoC / AO / AC / AC2 / WoW / Neocron / Lineage / or so many others they can all still play GW at the same time for free. This is the reason GW will do so well.
If no one wanted to level, or craft, or quest etc, it wouldn't have even been put it in to DAOC , or they would have taken it out by now. But they haven't. The fact is you can't just PVP all the time. You get bored. There has to be other things to do.
If you just want to PVP and hate leveling, you should be playing Shadowbane, not DAOC. It has faster leveling, better PVP, much greater character customization. The only thing DAOC has that is better than Shadowbane is the non PVP type things. And it is 5 times as popular as Shadowbane. What does that tell you?
And if you hate leveling that much why not just play a FPS? Then you don't have to level at all.
And the no monthy fee arguement doesn't make sense either.
If WOW is a better game than GW than people aren't going to mind paying 50 cents a day to play a game they love. Rather than play a game they don't love for free. And of cours its not really free anyway. You still have to pay 50 bucks for the game. And then buy the expansion packs that doesn't sound free to me. It just sounds like a different payment system
If no one wanted to level, or craft, or quest etc, it wouldn't have even been put it in to DAOC , or they would have taken it out by now. But they haven't. The fact is you can't just PVP all the time. You get bored. There has to be other things to do. If you just want to PVP and hate leveling, you should be playing Shadowbane, not DAOC. It has faster leveling, better PVP, much greater character customization. The only thing DAOC has that is better than Shadowbane is the non PVP type things. And it is 5 times as popular as Shadowbane. What does that tell you? And if you hate leveling that much why not just play a FPS? Then you don't have to level at all.
And the no monthy fee arguement doesn't make sense either. If WOW is a better game than GW than people aren't going to mind paying 50 cents a day to play a game they love. Rather than play a game they don't love for free. And of cours its not really free anyway. You still have to pay 50 bucks for the game. And then buy the expansion packs that doesn't sound free to me. It just sounds like a different payment system
Well first SB sucks compaired to DAoC RvR or PvP and have you played SB there game engine sucks, there controls suck, there camera control sucks. Also of people like RvR but hate PvP grieving. DAoC's RvR and game design rules SB which have nothing to do with leveling.
If you have played DAoC then you would know people /level 30 just to RvR in BG3 over and over again and try to keep away from the leveling. Log into any server that has /Level 30 and go to BG3 there are over 200 people there during prime time.
No FPS has castle keep taking or safe realm areas to form up and attack from to stop grieving on a mass multi player recurring world. If there was alot of people would be there. I would.. HOWEVER IF YOU KNOW OF ONE PLEASE POST IT I WANT IT.
As for it being free has a huge thing to do with it since almost all MMoRPG players are either teens or people without an income of there own.
I value your opinion I just don't agree as you will not with me. Hope you can value mine.
One last note: I agree with Justinian alot of people will be able to play both which brings me back to my other point. No matter waht MMoRPG you play you can still play GW for free and with that I also think GW will be more successful for this reason. I don't know any player that doesn't like to have a break from the MMoRPG here and there. What better break than another MMoRPG thats free. So with GW having people that only play GW plus every other player from every MMoRPG out on a causal basis I think this makes for alot more sales.
Well back to the original arguement, which one will be more popular. Just look at the buzz on the internet.
On every forum I goto on the net , I always see a post saying that they are just playing this game or that to bide their time until WOW comes out. I see posts like these constantly. I never see posts about GW.
The WOW forums on the net are the most active of any game out there. The WOW forums at their site have hundred of posts every day. GW doesn't even have a forum at their site.
In fact its even hard to find forums for GW, the vnboards at IGN, one of my favorite sites , doesn't even have forums for GW. There simply isn't enough demand for them.
So if you like GW better than WOW thats fine. But it can't be denied WOW is going to be much more popular than GW.
The lack of buzz over GW actually has me looking forward to it. The problem that L2 had and WoW will also suffer from is mass appeal. There were just too many jerks playing. The games will be fun but how long can you put up with the k-6 mentality? I'm hoping that GW will attract a more mature crowd and that all the jerks go play WoW
-Sig- Don't try to teach a pig to sing, It rarely works and only serves to annoy the pig.
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Well we will all just have to wait and see. Blizzard certainly has a winner on its hands with all the type however SWG had alot of hype too and it is still trying to salvage some life. But I believe WoW will be a great game. If GW can also make a great game and its free it will take off plan and simple.
But as you can see here on this site there both even for hype at 8.2. We will just have to see if Blizzards marketing can beat the free game play. I think both will do great but I think GW will just come out on top in numbers.
As for where will jerks play well I hate to say it but its a proven fact that jerks go to free games. GW will have alot more jerks that WoW its funny how $15 a month can affect that. Guess it goes with my other point before that kids that don't have there own income play free games.
That being said WoW might have a draw because of that fact who knows I just know both games will do well and I wish them both great luck.
PS: to Gnarled who thinks these game companies need your monthly subscription in order to maintain servers Funcom released a news posting that stats that monthly subcriptions are revenue....
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I'm glad i wasted my virgin post on another topic then this one.
Anyway lighten up eh? It's one thing to debate and argue about it as mature folks, and another to result to the "you can't spell, your stupid" attacks between each other.
As thumpers mother once told me, if you can't say nothing nice, don't say anything at all.
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Don't forget that pretty much every MMORPG out there creates expansion packs on top of charging a monthly fee. I too am a lucky alpha tester and can tell you that this game (while still in alpha) is unbelievably stable and I've yet to experience an actual crash.
Talking about this game cutting corners in order to keep their head above water financially is just pointless. The numbers speak for themselves, it'll cost less than pay to play games and you don't need to actually buy the expansion packs. Do you want entirely free content, Gnarled? Gain some perspective. The team are made up of some of the best senior developers and designers from past blizzard games such as starcraft, diablo 2, etc. Do you really think that in all of their wisdom and experience, they would create a game they didn't think would survive or meet expectations?
Regardless, most people will come to their senses and will be playing this game sooner or later, including people like yourself who like to go against the grain for the sake of it.
If you'd read the entire thread you'd prolly know why I did that. I pretty much gave up, in general I think I present pretty clear and concise arguments, even if I am disagreeable. Thanks for coming out and judging tho.
"I can tell you with no ego, this is my finest sword. If, on your journey, you should encounter God. . .
. . . God will be cut."
- Quentin Tarantino, Kill Bill
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Ghoul31,
I just wanted to make sure you know that Guild Wars can't really be called exclusively a "PvP Game." There are just too many other things to do in Guild Wars that do not involve player versus player gameplay. Sure, we'll support PvP in great ways, but those who like solo gaming will find a place in Guild Wars, and those who enjoy participating in team quests will also enjoy the game a ton. (I really like the quests best of all, I think!)
I know that some people get a little confused when we say "A competitive roleplaying game" or when they see "Wars" in the name Guild Wars. But you can be sure there are a lot of different choices beyond PvP and Guild Wars will be a well-rounded game experience for just about everyone.
Gaile Gray
Community Relations Manager
ArenaNet
www.guildwars.com & www.arena.net
Gaile Gray
Community Relations Manager
ArenaNet
www.guildwars.com & www.arena.net
Hey, DAoC when boiled down is just a group(realm) based pvp. And argueably it's the most successful mmorpg since EQ.
And another thing:
Replacing a monthly fee with an expansion pack system gives me, the customer, a lot more power over the quality of the game. You see, if they aren't staying afloat with a montly fee, that means they have to release an expansion pack that the majority of the player base must buy.
Think about that, the expansion pack HAS TO BE GOOD, or else they risk losing money and folding. Now that's an incentive to release quality. Not some bullshit expansions that EQ has been passing off lately. Despite Sony's claims, I don't really believe EQ is constantly updated with new content. How many free zones over the 5 years have been released? Just a handful. 60 months of constant updates= 4-5 zones? I call bullshit.
And why should they? they have a subscription base that allows them to stay alive without releasing that fantastic expansion that really grips a player. Look at DAoC! Did shrouded isle really add to the story behind each realm? I played in Albion, and I had no idea what was going on. Did the Avalonians in Abribards retreat really have that bitter contempt and hatred over losing their homeland? Absolutely not! When you arrived on their homeland.. Do they have great hopes for reclaiming it? No! A highlander talks about winning the war and that's about it. I don't need to talk about ToA, many say it ruined rvr.
Now if Sony and Mythic didn't have the 120$ subscription money from each player inbetween expansion, would SoL, SI, PoP, ToA been such lousy expansions?
Ok this thread is full of BS. I read it about half only to hear suposition and unproved faq.
Dudes, when u don't know what ur talking about DO NOT TALK.
I will buy both games, mainly because i love both their styles.
Money won't be a problem when choosing a game, it's the quality of the game that i buy.
Btw... GW is not free (i heard that one), it has just no monthly fee... nuance!
So guys... just wait and see what game will be the best, as far as i know, both game are not retail yet!
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Doesn't matter if Diablo II is a MMoRPG or not its only proves that a game can be made to play online with server support for free. And if the only fact you can come up with is that someone made a spelling mistake then why waste everyone time. We are all here to talk about games not grammer please stop wasting very ones time. You have no facts and no leg to stand on here go play a game or something.
HMM if you want to look at numbers then you might want to include a PvP game called Lineage which has 6,000,000 subscribers and is the biggest user base in the world. Make EQ's number look like crap hehe. DAoC whose end game is totally PvP type RvR also has 400,000 subcribers as well. If your going to compair don't pick the worse and compare it to the best I can do that the oposite way. Lineage 6,000,000 compaired to AC 2 HMM does anyone play that anymore
WoW will do great but its not free to play and as long as thats in place people will play Guild Wars. I know I will be playing both for the first time ever I will be playing 2 MMoRPG's at the exact same time on an ongoing basis.
Next guild wars is not totally PvP and for your infor WoW will also have PvP type RvR. So your really compairing 2 PvP games then in a way. Even EQ has PvP servers and people do play on them so part of there subscription base is PvP.
Doesn't matter if Diablo II is a MMoRPG or not its only proves that a game can be made to play online with server support for free. And if the only fact you can come up with is that someone made a spelling mistake then why waste everyone time. We are all here to talk about games not grammer please stop wasting very ones time. You have no facts and no leg to stand on here go play a game or something.
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Indeed. That's a very powerful argument. You've defeated all the points in all my posts with your brilliant "no leg to stand on" interjection. And your complete illustration of my lack of facts with, a total lack of facts. . . absolute genius. Whatever will I do ?
<sigh>
"I can tell you with no ego, this is my finest sword. If, on your journey, you should encounter God. . .
. . . God will be cut."
- Quentin Tarantino, Kill Bill
EQII
Requiiem, Templar
Neriak
HMM if you want to look at numbers then you might want to include a PvP game called Lineage which has 6,000,000 subscribers and is the biggest user base in the world. Make EQ's number look like crap hehe. DAoC whose end game is totally PvP type RvR also has 400,000 subcribers as well. If your going to compair don't pick the worse and compare it to the best I can do that the oposite way. Lineage 6,000,000 compaired to AC 2 HMM does anyone play that anymore
WoW will do great but its not free to play and as long as thats in place people will play Guild Wars. I know I will be playing both for the first time ever I will be playing 2 MMoRPG's at the exact same time on an ongoing basis.
Next guild wars is not totally PvP and for your infor WoW will also have PvP type RvR. So your really compairing 2 PvP games then in a way. Even EQ has PvP servers and people do play on them so part of there subscription base is PvP.
Well both Lineage and DAOC have a much longer and more diverse leveling system than guild wars with much more to offer such as crafting, quests etc. Guild wars has stated it will have a short leveling time so you can get right to the PVP. This is the Same as Shadowbane.
As for the Everquest PVP servers. About one in 10 of the everquest servers is PVP. So by your logic WOW will be 10 times more popular than GW.
WoW will do great but its not free to play and as long as thats in place people will play Guild Wars. I know I will be playing both for the first time ever I will be playing 2 MMoRPG's at the exact same time on an ongoing basis.
Next guild wars is not totally PvP and for your infor WoW will also have PvP type RvR. So your really compairing 2 PvP games then in a way. Even EQ has PvP servers and people do play on them so part of there subscription base is PvP.
Well both Lineage and DAOC have a much longer and more diverse leveling system than guild wars with much more to offer such as crafting, quests etc. Guild wars has stated it will have a short leveling time so you can get right to the PVP. This is the Same as Shadowbane.
As for the Everquest PVP servers. About one in 10 of the everquest servers is PVP. So by your logic WOW will be 10 times more popular than GW.
Why is WoW going to be free to play as well? No didnt think so. GW will be great for the fact thats its free to play if for no other reason.
As for DAoC I play this and all anyone wants in the game is to be PL to level 50 ASAP to get the the RvR. If the longer leveling was something people wanted they wouldn't be bitching and PLing. If people wanted the long level then why are people buying leveled characters on E-bay? There will always be some people that like the slow level grind and for those people there are alot of games out there already to choose from. But the majority of people like to get to the end game ASAP and enjoy it. If GW has the fastest leveling then thats only going to make them even more popular. Everyone I knowin DAoC would not want to accually go through the level grind ever again which is why Mythic gave us the /level system.
Most people only want to spend a few hours in a game at any one time and in that time they want to have fun not grind.
Crafting in DAoC is a major grind and anyone that levels crafting to its end all go it AFK with macros so crafting is something no one enjoys really. Crafting in Lineage is pretty much non-existant not sure where you were going that that.
Questing in DAoC is something people only do to get there epics other than that people hate questing. Now there will always be a few people that like it but most don't. Now even WoW knows that questing is not the biggest thing on peoples minds thats why there doing everything they can in the questing system to make it as easy a possible. I have a RL friend that things the WoW quests system sucks because its to easy and he likes EQ's questing system. I know others that think its going to be great the point is you can't please everyone. So you have to choose to make most happy or the few. GW picks the most I guess, as does WoW.
There will still be people that don't like either but even all my friends agree even if they don't like GW they will still buy it because it free to play and they can dabble in it as they choose. They also think it will make for a great break from the usual MMoRPG. So with that being said even if people play EQ / DAoC / AO / AC / AC2 / WoW / Neocron / Lineage / or so many others they can all still play GW at the same time for free. This is the reason GW will do so well.
Indeed. That's a very powerful argument. You've defeated all the points in all my posts with your brilliant "no leg to stand on" interjection. And your complete illustration of my lack of facts with, a total lack of facts. . . absolute genius. Whatever will I do ?
Finally we agree on something!!
I actually like how both games are headed, they are different though. WoW is more your typical MMORPG while Guild Wars seem to be a blend between Everquest and Diablo (hopefully minus the fools
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Both games will no doubt do well.
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Well, let me explain why it's one or the other.
1) Money
That's right, most people (unlike you) have big concerns regarding which one to buy. The No-Monthly fee will attract an amazing number of players. In my 10 member clan which has been around since starcraft, only 1 persons has bought an MMORPG and is playing (star wars galaxies). Only because he's a star wars lover.
EDIT-(AFter talking with him again, he's severely dissapointed at SWG hehe. Oh what a surpirse another poor mmorpg with monthly fees)
The remaining 9 of us, have never paid for an online game monthly, and we all are going to be Guild Wars (so long as the public demo doesn't demonstrate that its not a great game).
So, no monthly fee + quality game = many more initial purchasers GUARANTEED.
Who will buy the 1st expansion pack? That's a whole different story. No one can tell.
If no one wanted to level, or craft, or quest etc, it wouldn't have even been put it in to DAOC , or they would have taken it out by now. But they haven't. The fact is you can't just PVP all the time. You get bored. There has to be other things to do.
If you just want to PVP and hate leveling, you should be playing Shadowbane, not DAOC. It has faster leveling, better PVP, much greater character customization. The only thing DAOC has that is better than Shadowbane is the non PVP type things. And it is 5 times as popular as Shadowbane. What does that tell you?
And if you hate leveling that much why not just play a FPS? Then you don't have to level at all.
And the no monthy fee arguement doesn't make sense either.
If WOW is a better game than GW than people aren't going to mind paying 50 cents a day to play a game they love. Rather than play a game they don't love for free. And of cours its not really free anyway. You still have to pay 50 bucks for the game. And then buy the expansion packs that doesn't sound free to me. It just sounds like a different payment system
Well first SB sucks compaired to DAoC RvR or PvP and have you played SB there game engine sucks, there controls suck, there camera control sucks. Also of people like RvR but hate PvP grieving. DAoC's RvR and game design rules SB which have nothing to do with leveling.
If you have played DAoC then you would know people /level 30 just to RvR in BG3 over and over again and try to keep away from the leveling. Log into any server that has /Level 30 and go to BG3 there are over 200 people there during prime time.
No FPS has castle keep taking or safe realm areas to form up and attack from to stop grieving on a mass multi player recurring world. If there was alot of people would be there. I would.. HOWEVER IF YOU KNOW OF ONE PLEASE POST IT I WANT IT.
As for it being free has a huge thing to do with it since almost all MMoRPG players are either teens or people without an income of there own.
I value your opinion I just don't agree as you will not with me. Hope you can value mine.
One last note: I agree with Justinian alot of people will be able to play both which brings me back to my other point. No matter waht MMoRPG you play you can still play GW for free and with that I also think GW will be more successful for this reason. I don't know any player that doesn't like to have a break from the MMoRPG here and there. What better break than another MMoRPG thats free. So with GW having people that only play GW plus every other player from every MMoRPG out on a causal basis I think this makes for alot more sales.
Well back to the original arguement, which one will be more popular. Just look at the buzz on the internet.
On every forum I goto on the net , I always see a post saying that they are just playing this game or that to bide their time until WOW comes out. I see posts like these constantly. I never see posts about GW.
The WOW forums on the net are the most active of any game out there. The WOW forums at their site have hundred of posts every day. GW doesn't even have a forum at their site.
In fact its even hard to find forums for GW, the vnboards at IGN, one of my favorite sites , doesn't even have forums for GW. There simply isn't enough demand for them.
So if you like GW better than WOW thats fine. But it can't be denied WOW is going to be much more popular than GW.
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Well we will all just have to wait and see. Blizzard certainly has a winner on its hands with all the type however SWG had alot of hype too and it is still trying to salvage some life. But I believe WoW will be a great game. If GW can also make a great game and its free it will take off plan and simple.
But as you can see here on this site there both even for hype at 8.2. We will just have to see if Blizzards marketing can beat the free game play. I think both will do great but I think GW will just come out on top in numbers.
As for where will jerks play well I hate to say it but its a proven fact that jerks go to free games. GW will have alot more jerks that WoW its funny how $15 a month can affect that. Guess it goes with my other point before that kids that don't have there own income play free games.
That being said WoW might have a draw because of that fact who knows I just know both games will do well and I wish them both great luck.
PS: to Gnarled who thinks these game companies need your monthly subscription in order to maintain servers Funcom released a news posting that stats that monthly subcriptions are revenue....
And here is the link to prove it:
http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/loadnews/1563