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Great post!
Thanks a bunch.
What I appreciate about this article is that rather than just whining about problems, it lists actual work-arounds and fixes for some of them. I don't have Vista yet (I see no need for it) but if I did, I would want to know some of the practical issues presented and how to make things work.
As far as Vanguard is concerned, people need to chill out about it. The reality is that it works great on some people's systems and for other people it doesn't work well at all. This isn't the first game or patch where that was true, and it is always annoying when struggling with one's problems making a game work on your computer to get a chorus of "hey, it works for me, all is great, you must be a troll or something" responses from fanbois like we get here on MMORPG every time somebody says anything less than glowing about VG.
You are going to love this one. Regards Vanguard and OpenAL sound.... After one of its (uptill that point) regular crashes my whole ingame UI got totally mashed. The only solution was to delete the VGclient.ini file and start from scratch. Prior to this point I'd been playing around with Creatives Alchemy trying to get OpenAL to wotk to no avail, and had given up. However, after deleting the ini file I suddenly got glorious hardware sound with no "Alchemy".
Anyways, the only game I've found so far that doesnt run on my Vista X64, QX6700, 4Gb, SLi 8800GTX, XFi fatality PC is IL-2 Sturmovik 1946, absolutly everything else Ive tried seems to work!
Gorror
Zboard now has a beta ZEngine driver for their keyboards. You can find it here: http://community.zboard.com/forums/view.asp?topicID=2989
A non-beta version is supposed to be available today, Feb 14th, but they delayed last week as well, so don't hold your breath.
Agent_X7 AKA J Star
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So Microsoft, you won't be getting my money for Vista until I see Service Pack 1 at the earliest.
Down with Microsoft, Redmon is the second level of Hell!!!! DO not buy from the Devil!!
PS I LOVE VANGUARD LOADS OF FUN
LOL! Why is it that there is always at least one asshat who just has to post something like that?
Anyway, as someone else posted, I'll just sit back and enjoy XP until MS gets around to releasing SP1 for Vista. By then, things should be stable and this whole DX10 thing is just vaporware in my eyes until we have a nice selection of DX10 based games on the market and 2nd generation DX10 cards. Even then, I can imagine I'll go through a transition period with XP on one HD and Vista on another.
I'm a big ol' fluffy carewolf. Be afraid. Be very afraid.
A note about the Creative X-Fi cards.
I am running Vista 64 and I purchased an X-Fi Xtreme Audio so that I could have sound again. This was the least expensive X-Fi option.
Unfortunately, it's not actually an X-Fi card. It does not have the X-Fi hardware. From what I understand, it is in fact a previous generation Creative card that they slapped the X-Fi brand name onto.
Regardless, the Xtreme Audio does not support OpenAL. Apparently this is a hardware limitation, not a software one, so you won't be seeing support for it.
Note at the bottom of the ALchemy site it says: "* Excludes SB X-Fi Xtreme Audio"
Long story short, do not buy an X-Fi Xtreme Audio, it is a waste of money, it is under supported, and it's a gimped sick little joke.
~One very unhappy Myskers
LOL!
Yeah... right
I'm a big ol' fluffy carewolf. Be afraid. Be very afraid.
Nope because them faces were done on DX9 and that flight simulator wasn't done in real time :P Also Halo isn't esactly a good idea of what DX9 can do :P Plus AOC dx9 has had features taken out to make ppl buy DX10
Fact is DX10 doesn't look hardly any better than DX9
LOL! Why is it that there is always at least one asshat who just has to post something like that?
Anyway, as someone else posted, I'll just sit back and enjoy XP until MS gets around to releasing SP1 for Vista. By then, things should be stable and this whole DX10 thing is just vaporware in my eyes until we have a nice selection of DX10 based games on the market and 2nd generation DX10 cards. Even then, I can imagine I'll go through a transition period with XP on one HD and Vista on another.
because comments like "A quick look around the 'net uncovered a little trick to get my sound to stop emulating a breakfast cereal: It seems that if you turn off Vertical Sync in the display menu, the sound works better under Vista."
says "Hi there mmorpg.com readers, here is a technical evaluation from someone completely unqualified!!"
its kind of insulting. perhaps i should write an article on being black since im a white irish guy that "heard its rough".
btw being abrasive doesnt make me an asshat. It just means that i'm better than you are.
Some of you may like to waste time by meticulously testing each and every setting and each and every driver. I'm glad that kind of thing makes you happy, and that you have time to do it. Those of us with better things to do with our time are smart enough to do a quick Google for everything. If someone already has a solution, why would I waste my own precious time trying to figure it out?
At my "day job" we hire many techs. Those that are inclined to waste time trying to solve problems without first checking to see if there is already a published solution do not last long. They waste time trying to "solve" something that has long ago been solved. There's a reason for knowledge bases and search functions.
Agent_X7 AKA J Star
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XACT stands for Cross-Platform Audio Creation Tool. It is an audio programming library that is part of the XNA toolset that they developed for the Xbox. XACT uses - tada! - Open AL to hardware accelerate audio. XACT used to use DirectSound, but DirectSound is no longer supported in DX9 L and above.
You are correct though, Microsoft didn't develop Open AL.
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http://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=723062&SiteID=1
If you think it does - please provide any sources (such as links to MSDN's pages) where it says about XACT being linked to OpenAL in any form.
Oh, and one more thing: there's no such thing anymore as DirectX 9.0 L, it was renamed:
letskilldave.com/archive/2006/10/17/DirectX-10-for-Windows-XP_3F00_--Repeat-after-me_3A00_-No.-No.-No_2E00_.aspx
I had issues getting EVE Online to do ANYTHING after the splash screen. There's a fix mentioned by members on the website which was also repeated to me by tech support after I filed a petition.
Run the game under Windows XP SP2 compatibility mode. You can find this option by right clicking on the game icon on your desktop and inside Properties. I can't remember the exact tab once Properties is open, but it shouldn't be hard to miss. It'll do until the game gets patched for Vista.
Great write up, thanks for saving me the hassles. I think I'll stick with xp for now
i dont test things meticulously never said i did so it doesnt make me happy. Not in my spare time anyway. On the job, thats a different story but this isnt about me or my technical understanding. the vsync thing isnt a problem, its just how it works. a trip to frigign wikipedia would have told him that. What he basically said was similar to a statement like "my car is fast i just gotta get past this whole pushing the gas pedal problem." I assume he played wow before. vsync didnt work any different ly in XP than it does in vista. So hes just now turned it on for the first time? I find that hard to believe. The whole thing smells of bullshit. Can this guy even install wow and patch it all by himself? It sounds extreme but honestly, if I only go by the statements in the article, I have numerous reasons to wonder.
the issue here is the article gives the impression by title that its written by someone that has the technical understanding of directx compatibility. Someone like this giving users advice is just a really irresponsible thing to do. its like me giving you a second opinion on a doctors diagnosis because i used a doctor once.
as far as your day job, good for those tech's i guess. i have a resume too. part of it has me acting as "Directx Hardware Compatibility Coordinator" for a major game company on more than one occasion. Yes I'm abrasive. It's how I am. I get the job done and im to the point. no bullshit.
Nothing gets me going quite like irresponsible journalism. This site has completely failed its readership with this article. We pay their bills and they should treat us accordingly. Not spam out crap to show us more banner ads.
Frankly, I'd like a retraction and an apology, we all deserve one.
Uh the site is free ... how does that mean we're paying their bills it not like we're shelling out money directly to them. And honestly who cares if he was giving out generic advice or not there's TONS tons of people here who are completely clueless about vsync or hardware compatibility issues when it comes to vista atleast he wrote something offering some sort of help. Funny how you tout that you work, being abrasive especially at work eventually gets you 'let go' or replaced since there are probably millions of people who could easily fill your silly little job. I can tell you right now I wouldn't want you working on my team at work.
Wanna rip this guy's article fine but atleast offer your own supposedly 'impressive' advice for the clueless ones out there instead of being a complete asshat.
Please Refer to Doom Cat with all conspiracies & evil corporation complaints. He'll give you the simple explination of..WE"RE ALL DOOMED!
give away tech advice for free?
wow youre a comedian
Games i'm playing right now...
"In short, I thought NGE was a very bad idea" - Raph Koster talking about NGE on his blog at raphkoster.com
the issue here is the article gives the impression by title that its written by someone that has the technical understanding of directx compatibility. Someone like this giving users advice is just a really irresponsible thing to do. its like me giving you a second opinion on a doctors diagnosis because i used a doctor once.
Actually, he never said such a thing, nor did I get the impression he is some kind of expert in DirectX compatibility. If you wish to believe that he was putting himself up as some kind of technical genius, that would be all you, I believe. I certainly didn't read that article thinking that I was going to get free professional tech support. He wrote it from the perspective of the average gamer.
So... yeah. You can say that he was acting all high and mighty, but that's just your opinion.
as far as your day job, good for those tech's i guess. i have a resume too. part of it has me acting as "Directx Hardware Compatibility Coordinator" for a major game company on more than one occasion. Yes I'm abrasive. It's how I am. I get the job done and im to the point. no bullshit.
Too bad your job isn't to be a raging, retarded asshat to people in a hobby. Though if it were, you'd certainly be doing an excellent job, yes.
Nothing gets me going quite like irresponsible journalism. This site has completely failed its readership with this article. We pay their bills and they should treat us accordingly. Not spam out crap to show us more banner ads.
Oh, God, you really are stupid. First, this place is free of charge. You haven't paid one red cent of this article.
And if it has failed so utterly, why the hell are you still here?
Frankly, I'd like a retraction and an apology, we all deserve one.
Oh, yeah. Because some anonymous jackhole who may or may not be anyone important, who doesn't contribute to this site, who doesn't do anything other than complain about an article, should certainly be listened to.
I have a better idea. You go die in a hot, hot fire, and the rest of us will appreciate someone who was just trying to help out, whether or not it ultimately proves of any use to us personally and individually.
Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.
In reference to the Ageia (sp?) PhysX drivers: In your article, you specifically mentioned that no game uses them. Well...that's not quite accurate. City of Heroes/Villains does use them, at least in a limited fashion. They are by no means required, however; if that's what you meant, then I apologize. I don't have the drivers on my system, but I do get physics effects (much to my great knockback joy
). From skimming the Tech Support portion of the official forums over there, some people have downloaded those drivers and are using them, and in fact, they are recommended (and a download link provided) on the Launcher everytime you go in-game.
Just my $0.02.
On the whole, a fantabulous article, well-written. Personally, I've no intention of upgrading to Vista whatsoever. Eventually my current PC will go The Way Of All Things, and my next box will come with Vista installed. There, upgraded. 
By then, they should have SP1 out, and the video/soundcard drivers *should* be out of beta.
ok yes this place is free of charge, nobody is making any money. or wait, maybe they are but its very little. video games make up for such a tiny industry and theres probably no money to be made from a news site that covers an industry that will take in nearly 1 billion dollars this year alone globally. are you really that naieve or do you have to work at it?
know it or not im doing you all a favor. its time people stood up to their news sources like men, not like pavlovian beaten dogs "taking what we can get" make no mistake, this company makes money off of you. a lot of it. as consumers you should demand the best.
oh and as far as being anonymous youre right. right now i am...
you arent tho....
anyway im done with this thread.
Games i'm playing right now...
"In short, I thought NGE was a very bad idea" - Raph Koster talking about NGE on his blog at raphkoster.com
heaven and earth are ruthless,
and treat the myriad creatures as straw dogs