You like WoW, that invalidates your credibility and opinion more than this site saying EVE has the best PVE. Anyways its probably a good thing, we already have enough dumbass WoW fanbois running around this site, and its already filled with enough WoW bullshit.
Thats Bull. WoW is an excellent game and there is nothing wrong with liking it. Saying WoW is a bad mmorpg proves that you can't detect quality when you see it. You might not like the game, it may not be for you, but WoW is a very high quality game.
might be a quality game, if are a brain dead monkey.
I personally would like to start a petition that on all MMO forums, if you enjoy WoW .. your IP is instantly banned from that site. though of course we would need to be sneaky. Maybe don't tell anyone and just have a survey before entering the forum.
Maybe without all the WoW nutjobs, MMOs can start to evolve again instead of having a post start everytime a company tries something different you by some WOW nitwit saying "OMG WOW HAS 8 MILLION SUBSCRIBERS YOU SHOULD DO IT JUST LIKE THEM!" (caps are on purposes since most of THEM us it)
Congratulations, you have just insulted 8,5 million players andProffesional reviewers of being "brain dead monkeys". You also proved that you will NEVER be able to judge an mmorpg as you are unable to detect quality in a game. I think its better to ban everyone who says WoW is a poor quality game, that way we keep the level of discussion high by removing anyone who can't detect quality when they see it, come to think of it, it would also remove anybody who hates WoW simply because its popular (and people LOVE to hate and trash popular things, because it makes them feel "Hah! I'm so not part of the mainstream!")
This site is also the only one that continually bashes WoW and its leaders gave it a crappy review. For instance they gavce the burning crusade a 7.5 LOL, every other game site and i mean like 40+ of them gave it a 9.5 review. Seems to me this site is biased towards WoW. If I were blizzard I would ignore this place as well.
You like WoW, that invalidates your credibility and opinion more than this site saying EVE has the best PVE. Anyways its probably a good thing, we already have enough dumbass WoW fanbois running around this site, and its already filled with enough WoW bullshit.
Thats Bull. WoW is an excellent game and there is nothing wrong with liking it. Saying WoW is a bad mmorpg proves that you can't detect quality when you see it. You might not like the game, it may not be for you, but WoW is a very high quality game.
might be a quality game, if are a brain dead monkey.
I personally would like to start a petition that on all MMO forums, if you enjoy WoW .. your IP is instantly banned from that site. though of course we would need to be sneaky. Maybe don't tell anyone and just have a survey before entering the forum.
Maybe without all the WoW nutjobs, MMOs can start to evolve again instead of having a post start everytime a company tries something different you by some WOW nitwit saying "OMG WOW HAS 8 MILLION SUBSCRIBERS YOU SHOULD DO IT JUST LIKE THEM!" (caps are on purposes since most of THEM us it)
Congratulations, you have just insulted 8,5 million players andProffesional reviewers of being "brain dead monkeys". You also proved that you will NEVER be able to judge an mmorpg as you are unable to detect quality in a game. I think its better to ban everyone who says WoW is a poor quality game, that way we keep the level of discussion high by removing anyone who can't detect quality when they see it, come to think of it, it would also remove anybody who hates WoW simply because its popular (and people LOVE to hate and trash popular things, because it makes them feel "Hah! I'm so not part of the mainstream!")
if the shoe fits ....
or they can go the WoW forums and talk about how its the greatest of all time while circle jerking each other and stay away from every other game out there.
This site is also the only one that continually bashes WoW and its leaders gave it a crappy review. For instance they gavce the burning crusade a 7.5 LOL, every other game site and i mean like 40+ of them gave it a 9.5 review. Seems to me this site is biased towards WoW. If I were blizzard I would ignore this place as well.
Cal
omg you mean someone has a different opinion and isn't sucking blizzards nuts? god forbid, as if they don't have 8.5 million people already sucking them, they need a few more?
You like WoW, that invalidates your credibility and opinion more than this site saying EVE has the best PVE. Anyways its probably a good thing, we already have enough dumbass WoW fanbois running around this site, and its already filled with enough WoW bullshit.
Thats Bull. WoW is an excellent game and there is nothing wrong with liking it. Saying WoW is a bad mmorpg proves that you can't detect quality when you see it. You might not like the game, it may not be for you, but WoW is a very high quality game.
might be a quality game, if are a brain dead monkey.
I personally would like to start a petition that on all MMO forums, if you enjoy WoW .. your IP is instantly banned from that site. though of course we would need to be sneaky. Maybe don't tell anyone and just have a survey before entering the forum.
Maybe without all the WoW nutjobs, MMOs can start to evolve again instead of having a post start everytime a company tries something different you by some WOW nitwit saying "OMG WOW HAS 8 MILLION SUBSCRIBERS YOU SHOULD DO IT JUST LIKE THEM!" (caps are on purposes since most of THEM us it)
Congratulations, you have just insulted 8,5 million players andProffesional reviewers of being "brain dead monkeys". You also proved that you will NEVER be able to judge an mmorpg as you are unable to detect quality in a game. I think its better to ban everyone who says WoW is a poor quality game, that way we keep the level of discussion high by removing anyone who can't detect quality when they see it, come to think of it, it would also remove anybody who hates WoW simply because its popular (and people LOVE to hate and trash popular things, because it makes them feel "Hah! I'm so not part of the mainstream!")
if the shoe fits ....
or they can go the WoW forums and talk about how its the greatest of all time while circle jerking each other and stay away from every other game out there.
its about as high quality as mcdonalds.
Yes, We got the hint. your unable to judge a game, you made your point.
You like WoW, that invalidates your credibility and opinion more than this site saying EVE has the best PVE. Anyways its probably a good thing, we already have enough dumbass WoW fanbois running around this site, and its already filled with enough WoW bullshit.
Thats Bull. WoW is an excellent game and there is nothing wrong with liking it. Saying WoW is a bad mmorpg proves that you can't detect quality when you see it. You might not like the game, it may not be for you, but WoW is a very high quality game.
might be a quality game, if are a brain dead monkey.
I personally would like to start a petition that on all MMO forums, if you enjoy WoW .. your IP is instantly banned from that site. though of course we would need to be sneaky. Maybe don't tell anyone and just have a survey before entering the forum.
Maybe without all the WoW nutjobs, MMOs can start to evolve again instead of having a post start everytime a company tries something different you by some WOW nitwit saying "OMG WOW HAS 8 MILLION SUBSCRIBERS YOU SHOULD DO IT JUST LIKE THEM!" (caps are on purposes since most of THEM us it)
Congratulations, you have just insulted 8,5 million players andProffesional reviewers of being "brain dead monkeys". You also proved that you will NEVER be able to judge an mmorpg as you are unable to detect quality in a game. I think its better to ban everyone who says WoW is a poor quality game, that way we keep the level of discussion high by removing anyone who can't detect quality when they see it, come to think of it, it would also remove anybody who hates WoW simply because its popular (and people LOVE to hate and trash popular things, because it makes them feel "Hah! I'm so not part of the mainstream!")
if the shoe fits ....
or they can go the WoW forums and talk about how its the greatest of all time while circle jerking each other and stay away from every other game out there.
its about as high quality as mcdonalds.
Yes, We got the hint. your unable to judge a game, you made your point.
you're saying WoW is a high quality game, i think that proves YOU are unable to judge a game.
You like WoW, that invalidates your credibility and opinion more than this site saying EVE has the best PVE. Anyways its probably a good thing, we already have enough dumbass WoW fanbois running around this site, and its already filled with enough WoW bullshit.
Thats Bull. WoW is an excellent game and there is nothing wrong with liking it. Saying WoW is a bad mmorpg proves that you can't detect quality when you see it. You might not like the game, it may not be for you, but WoW is a very high quality game.
might be a quality game, if are a brain dead monkey.
I personally would like to start a petition that on all MMO forums, if you enjoy WoW .. your IP is instantly banned from that site. though of course we would need to be sneaky. Maybe don't tell anyone and just have a survey before entering the forum.
Maybe without all the WoW nutjobs, MMOs can start to evolve again instead of having a post start everytime a company tries something different you by some WOW nitwit saying "OMG WOW HAS 8 MILLION SUBSCRIBERS YOU SHOULD DO IT JUST LIKE THEM!" (caps are on purposes since most of THEM us it)
Congratulations, you have just insulted 8,5 million players andProffesional reviewers of being "brain dead monkeys". You also proved that you will NEVER be able to judge an mmorpg as you are unable to detect quality in a game. I think its better to ban everyone who says WoW is a poor quality game, that way we keep the level of discussion high by removing anyone who can't detect quality when they see it, come to think of it, it would also remove anybody who hates WoW simply because its popular (and people LOVE to hate and trash popular things, because it makes them feel "Hah! I'm so not part of the mainstream!")
if the shoe fits ....
or they can go the WoW forums and talk about how its the greatest of all time while circle jerking each other and stay away from every other game out there.
its about as high quality as mcdonalds.
Yes, We got the hint. your unable to judge a game, you made your point.
you're saying WoW is a high quality game, i think that proves YOU are unable to judge a game. Thats right, Me, All these reviewers (http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages4/534914.asp) and the other 200 that didn't got mentioned on that list, and the other 8,5 million people are unable to judge a game, but you, Apotheosis, can.
I don't think I need to add [/sarcasm] to this one.
You like WoW, that invalidates your credibility and opinion more than this site saying EVE has the best PVE. Anyways its probably a good thing, we already have enough dumbass WoW fanbois running around this site, and its already filled with enough WoW bullshit.
Thats Bull. WoW is an excellent game and there is nothing wrong with liking it. Saying WoW is a bad mmorpg proves that you can't detect quality when you see it. You might not like the game, it may not be for you, but WoW is a very high quality game.
might be a quality game, if are a brain dead monkey.
I personally would like to start a petition that on all MMO forums, if you enjoy WoW .. your IP is instantly banned from that site. though of course we would need to be sneaky. Maybe don't tell anyone and just have a survey before entering the forum.
Maybe without all the WoW nutjobs, MMOs can start to evolve again instead of having a post start everytime a company tries something different you by some WOW nitwit saying "OMG WOW HAS 8 MILLION SUBSCRIBERS YOU SHOULD DO IT JUST LIKE THEM!" (caps are on purposes since most of THEM us it)
Congratulations, you have just insulted 8,5 million players andProffesional reviewers of being "brain dead monkeys". You also proved that you will NEVER be able to judge an mmorpg as you are unable to detect quality in a game. I think its better to ban everyone who says WoW is a poor quality game, that way we keep the level of discussion high by removing anyone who can't detect quality when they see it, come to think of it, it would also remove anybody who hates WoW simply because its popular (and people LOVE to hate and trash popular things, because it makes them feel "Hah! I'm so not part of the mainstream!")
if the shoe fits ....
or they can go the WoW forums and talk about how its the greatest of all time while circle jerking each other and stay away from every other game out there.
its about as high quality as mcdonalds.
Yes, We got the hint. your unable to judge a game, you made your point.
you're saying WoW is a high quality game, i think that proves YOU are unable to judge a game.Thats right, Me, All these reviewers (http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages4/534914.asp) and the other 200 that didn't got mentioned on that list, and the other 8,5 million people are unable to judge a game, but you, Apotheosis, can.
I don't think I need to add [/sarcasm] to this one.
well there is a lot of stupid people in the world, thankfully most of them are playing WoW. now if we could just keep the WoW morons from joining in on conversations about other games. Which is why i purpose the ban.
haha, your quite a funny dude. all the morons in the world are, by total concidence ofcourse, working for every proffesional gaming journalism, your theories are simply laughable. I'm actually waiting for you to come up with a theory that all reviewers are all being held hostage by Blizzard. I think you'd rather believe that concept then to simply accept the fact that World of Warcraft is a high quality game, just not for you.
WOW is a very polished, well made MMO that worked as a finished product on release (that seems to be quite difficult these days). It's nicely made, with good graphics (although they aren't my style), it's big enough and it brought a ton of new players onto the MMO market.
This last part is where things might go wrong; When the general public starts to home in on something more often than not that whole product and it's competitors suddenly go into defensive mode... lets not chance too much, lets just keep building on what we have, WE NEED MORE CARBON COPIES OF THIS PRODUCT. In other words, all of a sudden creativity is lost, game designers stop being game designers/players and they become/are replaced with management types, who have no grasp of games, nor the wiligness to even TRY and understand it.
So WOW in itself is a cool game with a very healthy playerbase, the fact that *I* don't like it much has nothing to do with it being bad perse, it's just that different folks like different thing, nothing wrong with that. HOWEVER, the effect of WOW on the whole MMO market could be devasting, and that's something a lot of us are afraid of.
Blizzards loss to be honest, I am sure most of the people on this site have at least given WoW a proper try, which is a lot more than can be said about the WoW players on here that constantly bitch about the other MMOs out there. And no, I dont count level 1 toons bitching in newbie zones and channels as giving an MMO a proper try.
As for the gold farming comments, why doesnt Blizzard actually go to court over the whole gold farming/trading issue? And try to get some recognised law to back them up. Two simple reasons, 1) they know they would most likely lose and 2) they make a lot of money from gold farmers buying new copies of the game. Find a gold farmer 5-boxing and ban them, thats another 5 copies of WoW+TBC sold, hold on until just after they resub and you can get a months worth of sub from each account as well. Track their IPs and you could even automate the banning every 5 weeks.
Of course, I forget, I am not allowed to say negative things about Blizzard, after all they are so wonderful it only took them two years to come up with an expansion that is no better than the ones SOE put out every 6-9 months with 5% of the subscribers. Oh, but wait, over 8 million people supposedly subscribe to WoW, maybe I am wrong, but then again Britney Spears did manage to sell over 31 million albums in the US.
Then there is this 'claim' that the rating of WoW is unfairly low, lets have a look at that shall we by comparing it with EvE and EQ2 (as those are the other two MMOs I am most familiar with at the moment) ...
Graphics - WoW = 8.8, EvE = 9.2 and EQ2 = 9.5
Style aside the actual level of detail in EvE and EQ2 is definately higher than WoW, and in EQ2 the graphics effects are far superior (dynamic shadows, dynamic reflections, better lightning). Seems a reasonable score to me, if anything a little high due to the quality of the graphics on games like VSoH and AoC.
Fun - WoW = 8.6, EvE = 7.6 and EQ2 = 7.9
Interesting this one, WoW was definately more fun in levelling up than EQ2 but then EQ2 has less repetitive grinding at max level as you arent forced into faction grinds and there are more high level zones (raid & single group), I would actually give EQ2 a higher rating than 7.9 but I dont think 8.6 is unfair on WoW. As for the EvE one, its very dependant on the player, I would give it more than 7.6 as I have plenty of fun in it between mission/complex running, brokering trade deals with other players and PvPing.
Sound - WoW = 8.9, EvE = 8.4 and EQ2 = 8.9
Seems fair enough, sound is good in all three, the music adds the appropriate atmosphere. The voice emotes in WoW and EQ2 are good and suitable. EQ2 does have good voiceovers on a lot of quests which for me would give it a higher score than WoW. WoW certainly isnt being unfairly treated in this section either, if anything it might be a little high again.
Community - WoW = 7.3, EvE = 8.3 and EQ2 = 8.2
Low score for WoW compared to the other two. I feel it is actually justified though, when I last spent time in WoW (just after TBC release) the playerbase still seemed to be suffering from the same problems I encountered in previous times, i.e. newbie ganking, corpse camping, negative responses to help requests in chat channels. In general a less mature attitude from players than that which I encounter in EvE and EQ2.
Roleplaying - WoW = 7.6, EvE = 7.4 and EQ2 = 8.1
To be honest I am not sure how WoW or EQ2 got such high scores, outside of specific roleplaying servers the roleplaying is very limited, generally only the occasional person seems up for it. Then again I am always a little more sceptical on this as I have done quite a lot of paper roleplaying games over the years. IMO its pretty hard to grade EvE on this category as it is a futuristic setting, but people do tend to take their roles very seriously in it, be it alliance members, pirates, traders or whatever. I certainly dont think WoW is being hard done by in this category though, if any of the three are it is probably EvE.
Performance/Lag - WoW = 8.0, EvE = 8.5 and EQ2 = 7.9
Seems fair again, I did still have a few lag issues during peak times in the main WoW cities last time I tried it, instances seemed less lagged than the previous times though. Seems a fair enough score for EvE as well, few bits of lag in the main trade hubs but that is about it normally. EQ2 score seems a little low in my opinion, dont get much in the way of lag but do sometimes get the odd client crash, I would actually have said performance/lag wise it was better than WoW.
Value - WoW = 8.3, EvE = 8.1 and EQ2 = 8.0
The WoW score seems a little high to me, higher purchase price than both EvE and EQ2, same monthly fee but EvE doesnt charge for expansions. I would say thats justification enough for EvE to be top, followed by EQ2 then WoW.
Service - WoW = 7.6, EvE = 8.0 and EQ2 = 7.4
Seems about right, I would say the WoW customer service is on a par with the EQ2 customer service, and the EvE customer service is the best of the bunch although all three certainly have room for improvement.
Overall - WoW = 8.1, EvE = 8.2 and EQ2 = 8.2
So only 0.1 in it, is that really enough to say that WoW is 'hated' by most people who use this site? I certainly dont think so.
No one even talks about Eve this site, for most gamers eve might as well not exist.
Blizzard ignoring this site? I dont blame them mmorph.com obviously takes money for ratings, as well as suporting gold sellers and other smaller issue's.
Problem I see people having with WoW (myself included) is that after playing it a while it really gets old (like every mmorpg can) then people try other games and realize nothing is as good as WoW. Afterwards its easy to bash a game your bored/burnt out on. They complain a few months then go back to wow and the cycle starts again.
Myself I hate burning crusade and sadly will stay with WoW because everything else blows.
WoW is like a brainless 19 year old hottie in a room otherwise full of hags. You feel like you should know better but just cant resist....
This site is also the only one that continually bashes WoW and its leaders gave it a crappy review. For instance they gavce the burning crusade a 7.5 LOL, every other game site and i mean like 40+ of them gave it a 9.5 review. Seems to me this site is biased towards WoW. If I were blizzard I would ignore this place as well.
Cal
Well I have never seen a WoW advertisement on this site, and they do advertise on other game sites, that might have something to do with it.
I also have not seen a goldseller or powerleveling ad in a while, but since MMORPG.com hasn't made an official statement, they probably still accept them if the price is right.
It's interesting that Brad Mcquaid and Vanguard are very anti-gold selling, yet they advertise here knowing that MMORPG.com promotes gold selling. So much for principles.
i think blizzard should care a little since at least to my knowledge mmorpg.com is the only purely mmorpg gamesite out there.
There are a lot of purely MMOG sites out there. Tentonhammer is a good one. true but how many people have heard of that one? my point is that this is the most popular and well known.
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Adopting a position that makes you look like your against gold selling is just the current virtual version of dying your hair black and painting your nails for guys.
Blizzard like IGN figure it will win them more support than it loses them otherwise they wouldnt do it. If they gave a flying !$%^ about gold selling they would have secured thier economy. Its that simple. The game is in thier control to the extent that they desire it to be, all they are doing is capitalising a little self promotion on the back of their own ineptitude at managing thier product. Its classic marketing spin.... nothing new.
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Adopting a position that makes you look like your against gold selling is just the current virtual version of dying your hair black and painting your nails for guys. Blizzard like IGN figure it will win them more support than it loses them otherwise they wouldnt do it. If they gave a flying !$%^ about gold selling they would have secured thier economy. Its that simple. The game is in thier control to the extent that they desire it to be, all they are doing is capitalising a little self promotion on the back of their own ineptitude at managing thier product. Its classic marketing spin.... nothing new.
Might be, that you are a bit unpopular in blizzards view with that statement *g*
Have any of you WoW fanbois considered that maybe those sites that gave TBC at 9.5 are only doing so because Blizzard advertise with them so much? TBC is okay, but it is nothing new, just another 10 levels of the same old stuff that was in the original. An 8.0 would probably have been a more accurate and honest rating, as in my opinion there isnt an MMO on the market yet that deserves a 9.0 or more.
Have any of you WoW fanbois considered that maybe those sites that gave TBC at 9.5 are only doing so because Blizzard advertise with them so much? TBC is okay, but it is nothing new, just another 10 levels of the same old stuff that was in the original. An 8.0 would probably have been a more accurate and honest rating, as in my opinion there isnt an MMO on the market yet that deserves a 9.0 or more.
No, has not even crossed my mind for the simple fact WoW also received those high scores BEFORE they started advertising
You like WoW, that invalidates your credibility and opinion more than this site saying EVE has the best PVE. Anyways its probably a good thing, we already have enough dumbass WoW fanbois running around this site, and its already filled with enough WoW bullshit.
Thats Bull. WoW is an excellent game and there is nothing wrong with liking it. Saying WoW is a bad mmorpg proves that you can't detect quality when you see it. You might not like the game, it may not be for you, but WoW is a very high quality game.
might be a quality game, if are a brain dead monkey.
I personally would like to start a petition that on all MMO forums, if you enjoy WoW .. your IP is instantly banned from that site. though of course we would need to be sneaky. Maybe don't tell anyone and just have a survey before entering the forum.
Maybe without all the WoW nutjobs, MMOs can start to evolve again instead of having a post start everytime a company tries something different you by some WOW nitwit saying "OMG WOW HAS 8 MILLION SUBSCRIBERS YOU SHOULD DO IT JUST LIKE THEM!" (caps are on purposes since most of THEM us it)
Congratulations, you have just insulted 8,5 million players andProffesional reviewers of being "brain dead monkeys". You also proved that you will NEVER be able to judge an mmorpg as you are unable to detect quality in a game. I think its better to ban everyone who says WoW is a poor quality game, that way we keep the level of discussion high by removing anyone who can't detect quality when they see it, come to think of it, it would also remove anybody who hates WoW simply because its popular (and people LOVE to hate and trash popular things, because it makes them feel "Hah! I'm so not part of the mainstream!")
if the shoe fits ....
or they can go the WoW forums and talk about how its the greatest of all time while circle jerking each other and stay away from every other game out there.
its about as high quality as mcdonalds.
Yeah this might be why they aren't going out of there way to talk to mmorpg.com .
Blizzard took a political stance on in-game currency sellers. MMORPG.com at one time sold them advertising space. With MMORPG.com being a relatively small gaming site Blizzard could use the situation to spin their stance without much consequence to them.
Ratings given by players have little to do with the credibility of this site. Game reviews are always highly subjective. There will always be the fanbois who will give their game all 10's and the haters that give 1's. MMORPG.com is only guilty of allowing the members to do so. If you think that the player given ratings should share the accuracy of a NASA lab experiment then you are out to lunch. Personally I would rather them remove the numerical rating system and instead require a written review with a minimum word count to deter ranting but that's another thread.
Bottom line is, at this stage of MMORPG.COM's existence , I don't think it matters what Blizzard thinks of this site. When a journal receives revenue from those that it is reporting on, it compromises its ability to report without bias.
i think blizzard should care a little since at least to my knowledge mmorpg.com is the only purely mmorpg gamesite out there.
There are a lot of purely MMOG sites out there. Tentonhammer is a good one.true but how many people have heard of that one? my point is that this is the most popular and well known.
This site is FAR from mainstream, most serious gamers use fires of heaven , foh.org and other similar fansites / guildsites.
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might be a quality game, if are a brain dead monkey.
I personally would like to start a petition that on all MMO forums, if you enjoy WoW .. your IP is instantly banned from that site. though of course we would need to be sneaky. Maybe don't tell anyone and just have a survey before entering the forum.
Maybe without all the WoW nutjobs, MMOs can start to evolve again instead of having a post start everytime a company tries something different you by some WOW nitwit saying "OMG WOW HAS 8 MILLION SUBSCRIBERS YOU SHOULD DO IT JUST LIKE THEM!" (caps are on purposes since most of THEM us it)
Congratulations, you have just insulted 8,5 million players andProffesional reviewers of being "brain dead monkeys". You also proved that you will NEVER be able to judge an mmorpg as you are unable to detect quality in a game. I think its better to ban everyone who says WoW is a poor quality game, that way we keep the level of discussion high by removing anyone who can't detect quality when they see it, come to think of it, it would also remove anybody who hates WoW simply because its popular (and people LOVE to hate and trash popular things, because it makes them feel "Hah! I'm so not part of the mainstream!")Cal
might be a quality game, if are a brain dead monkey.
I personally would like to start a petition that on all MMO forums, if you enjoy WoW .. your IP is instantly banned from that site. though of course we would need to be sneaky. Maybe don't tell anyone and just have a survey before entering the forum.
Maybe without all the WoW nutjobs, MMOs can start to evolve again instead of having a post start everytime a company tries something different you by some WOW nitwit saying "OMG WOW HAS 8 MILLION SUBSCRIBERS YOU SHOULD DO IT JUST LIKE THEM!" (caps are on purposes since most of THEM us it)
Congratulations, you have just insulted 8,5 million players andProffesional reviewers of being "brain dead monkeys". You also proved that you will NEVER be able to judge an mmorpg as you are unable to detect quality in a game. I think its better to ban everyone who says WoW is a poor quality game, that way we keep the level of discussion high by removing anyone who can't detect quality when they see it, come to think of it, it would also remove anybody who hates WoW simply because its popular (and people LOVE to hate and trash popular things, because it makes them feel "Hah! I'm so not part of the mainstream!")if the shoe fits ....
or they can go the WoW forums and talk about how its the greatest of all time while circle jerking each other and stay away from every other game out there.
its about as high quality as mcdonalds.
omg you mean someone has a different opinion and isn't sucking blizzards nuts? god forbid, as if they don't have 8.5 million people already sucking them, they need a few more?
might be a quality game, if are a brain dead monkey.
I personally would like to start a petition that on all MMO forums, if you enjoy WoW .. your IP is instantly banned from that site. though of course we would need to be sneaky. Maybe don't tell anyone and just have a survey before entering the forum.
Maybe without all the WoW nutjobs, MMOs can start to evolve again instead of having a post start everytime a company tries something different you by some WOW nitwit saying "OMG WOW HAS 8 MILLION SUBSCRIBERS YOU SHOULD DO IT JUST LIKE THEM!" (caps are on purposes since most of THEM us it)
Congratulations, you have just insulted 8,5 million players andProffesional reviewers of being "brain dead monkeys". You also proved that you will NEVER be able to judge an mmorpg as you are unable to detect quality in a game. I think its better to ban everyone who says WoW is a poor quality game, that way we keep the level of discussion high by removing anyone who can't detect quality when they see it, come to think of it, it would also remove anybody who hates WoW simply because its popular (and people LOVE to hate and trash popular things, because it makes them feel "Hah! I'm so not part of the mainstream!")if the shoe fits ....
or they can go the WoW forums and talk about how its the greatest of all time while circle jerking each other and stay away from every other game out there.
its about as high quality as mcdonalds.
Yes, We got the hint. your unable to judge a game, you made your point.might be a quality game, if are a brain dead monkey.
I personally would like to start a petition that on all MMO forums, if you enjoy WoW .. your IP is instantly banned from that site. though of course we would need to be sneaky. Maybe don't tell anyone and just have a survey before entering the forum.
Maybe without all the WoW nutjobs, MMOs can start to evolve again instead of having a post start everytime a company tries something different you by some WOW nitwit saying "OMG WOW HAS 8 MILLION SUBSCRIBERS YOU SHOULD DO IT JUST LIKE THEM!" (caps are on purposes since most of THEM us it)
Congratulations, you have just insulted 8,5 million players andProffesional reviewers of being "brain dead monkeys". You also proved that you will NEVER be able to judge an mmorpg as you are unable to detect quality in a game. I think its better to ban everyone who says WoW is a poor quality game, that way we keep the level of discussion high by removing anyone who can't detect quality when they see it, come to think of it, it would also remove anybody who hates WoW simply because its popular (and people LOVE to hate and trash popular things, because it makes them feel "Hah! I'm so not part of the mainstream!")if the shoe fits ....
or they can go the WoW forums and talk about how its the greatest of all time while circle jerking each other and stay away from every other game out there.
its about as high quality as mcdonalds.
Yes, We got the hint. your unable to judge a game, you made your point.you're saying WoW is a high quality game, i think that proves YOU are unable to judge a game.
might be a quality game, if are a brain dead monkey.
I personally would like to start a petition that on all MMO forums, if you enjoy WoW .. your IP is instantly banned from that site. though of course we would need to be sneaky. Maybe don't tell anyone and just have a survey before entering the forum.
Maybe without all the WoW nutjobs, MMOs can start to evolve again instead of having a post start everytime a company tries something different you by some WOW nitwit saying "OMG WOW HAS 8 MILLION SUBSCRIBERS YOU SHOULD DO IT JUST LIKE THEM!" (caps are on purposes since most of THEM us it)
Congratulations, you have just insulted 8,5 million players andProffesional reviewers of being "brain dead monkeys". You also proved that you will NEVER be able to judge an mmorpg as you are unable to detect quality in a game. I think its better to ban everyone who says WoW is a poor quality game, that way we keep the level of discussion high by removing anyone who can't detect quality when they see it, come to think of it, it would also remove anybody who hates WoW simply because its popular (and people LOVE to hate and trash popular things, because it makes them feel "Hah! I'm so not part of the mainstream!")if the shoe fits ....
or they can go the WoW forums and talk about how its the greatest of all time while circle jerking each other and stay away from every other game out there.
its about as high quality as mcdonalds.
Yes, We got the hint. your unable to judge a game, you made your point.you're saying WoW is a high quality game, i think that proves YOU are unable to judge a game. Thats right, Me, All these reviewers (http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages4/534914.asp) and the other 200 that didn't got mentioned on that list, and the other 8,5 million people are unable to judge a game, but you, Apotheosis, can.
I don't think I need to add [/sarcasm] to this one.
might be a quality game, if are a brain dead monkey.
I personally would like to start a petition that on all MMO forums, if you enjoy WoW .. your IP is instantly banned from that site. though of course we would need to be sneaky. Maybe don't tell anyone and just have a survey before entering the forum.
Maybe without all the WoW nutjobs, MMOs can start to evolve again instead of having a post start everytime a company tries something different you by some WOW nitwit saying "OMG WOW HAS 8 MILLION SUBSCRIBERS YOU SHOULD DO IT JUST LIKE THEM!" (caps are on purposes since most of THEM us it)
Congratulations, you have just insulted 8,5 million players andProffesional reviewers of being "brain dead monkeys". You also proved that you will NEVER be able to judge an mmorpg as you are unable to detect quality in a game. I think its better to ban everyone who says WoW is a poor quality game, that way we keep the level of discussion high by removing anyone who can't detect quality when they see it, come to think of it, it would also remove anybody who hates WoW simply because its popular (and people LOVE to hate and trash popular things, because it makes them feel "Hah! I'm so not part of the mainstream!")if the shoe fits ....
or they can go the WoW forums and talk about how its the greatest of all time while circle jerking each other and stay away from every other game out there.
its about as high quality as mcdonalds.
Yes, We got the hint. your unable to judge a game, you made your point.you're saying WoW is a high quality game, i think that proves YOU are unable to judge a game.Thats right, Me, All these reviewers (http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages4/534914.asp) and the other 200 that didn't got mentioned on that list, and the other 8,5 million people are unable to judge a game, but you, Apotheosis, can.
I don't think I need to add [/sarcasm] to this one.
well there is a lot of stupid people in the world, thankfully most of them are playing WoW. now if we could just keep the WoW morons from joining in on conversations about other games. Which is why i purpose the ban.
WOW is a very polished, well made MMO that worked as a finished product on release (that seems to be quite difficult these days). It's nicely made, with good graphics (although they aren't my style), it's big enough and it brought a ton of new players onto the MMO market.
This last part is where things might go wrong; When the general public starts to home in on something more often than not that whole product and it's competitors suddenly go into defensive mode... lets not chance too much, lets just keep building on what we have, WE NEED MORE CARBON COPIES OF THIS PRODUCT. In other words, all of a sudden creativity is lost, game designers stop being game designers/players and they become/are replaced with management types, who have no grasp of games, nor the wiligness to even TRY and understand it.
So WOW in itself is a cool game with a very healthy playerbase, the fact that *I* don't like it much has nothing to do with it being bad perse, it's just that different folks like different thing, nothing wrong with that. HOWEVER, the effect of WOW on the whole MMO market could be devasting, and that's something a lot of us are afraid of.
Blizzards loss to be honest, I am sure most of the people on this site have at least given WoW a proper try, which is a lot more than can be said about the WoW players on here that constantly bitch about the other MMOs out there. And no, I dont count level 1 toons bitching in newbie zones and channels as giving an MMO a proper try.
As for the gold farming comments, why doesnt Blizzard actually go to court over the whole gold farming/trading issue? And try to get some recognised law to back them up. Two simple reasons, 1) they know they would most likely lose and 2) they make a lot of money from gold farmers buying new copies of the game. Find a gold farmer 5-boxing and ban them, thats another 5 copies of WoW+TBC sold, hold on until just after they resub and you can get a months worth of sub from each account as well. Track their IPs and you could even automate the banning every 5 weeks.
Of course, I forget, I am not allowed to say negative things about Blizzard, after all they are so wonderful it only took them two years to come up with an expansion that is no better than the ones SOE put out every 6-9 months with 5% of the subscribers. Oh, but wait, over 8 million people supposedly subscribe to WoW, maybe I am wrong, but then again Britney Spears did manage to sell over 31 million albums in the US.
Then there is this 'claim' that the rating of WoW is unfairly low, lets have a look at that shall we by comparing it with EvE and EQ2 (as those are the other two MMOs I am most familiar with at the moment) ...
Graphics - WoW = 8.8, EvE = 9.2 and EQ2 = 9.5
Style aside the actual level of detail in EvE and EQ2 is definately higher than WoW, and in EQ2 the graphics effects are far superior (dynamic shadows, dynamic reflections, better lightning). Seems a reasonable score to me, if anything a little high due to the quality of the graphics on games like VSoH and AoC.
Fun - WoW = 8.6, EvE = 7.6 and EQ2 = 7.9
Interesting this one, WoW was definately more fun in levelling up than EQ2 but then EQ2 has less repetitive grinding at max level as you arent forced into faction grinds and there are more high level zones (raid & single group), I would actually give EQ2 a higher rating than 7.9 but I dont think 8.6 is unfair on WoW. As for the EvE one, its very dependant on the player, I would give it more than 7.6 as I have plenty of fun in it between mission/complex running, brokering trade deals with other players and PvPing.
Sound - WoW = 8.9, EvE = 8.4 and EQ2 = 8.9
Seems fair enough, sound is good in all three, the music adds the appropriate atmosphere. The voice emotes in WoW and EQ2 are good and suitable. EQ2 does have good voiceovers on a lot of quests which for me would give it a higher score than WoW. WoW certainly isnt being unfairly treated in this section either, if anything it might be a little high again.
Community - WoW = 7.3, EvE = 8.3 and EQ2 = 8.2
Low score for WoW compared to the other two. I feel it is actually justified though, when I last spent time in WoW (just after TBC release) the playerbase still seemed to be suffering from the same problems I encountered in previous times, i.e. newbie ganking, corpse camping, negative responses to help requests in chat channels. In general a less mature attitude from players than that which I encounter in EvE and EQ2.
Roleplaying - WoW = 7.6, EvE = 7.4 and EQ2 = 8.1
To be honest I am not sure how WoW or EQ2 got such high scores, outside of specific roleplaying servers the roleplaying is very limited, generally only the occasional person seems up for it. Then again I am always a little more sceptical on this as I have done quite a lot of paper roleplaying games over the years. IMO its pretty hard to grade EvE on this category as it is a futuristic setting, but people do tend to take their roles very seriously in it, be it alliance members, pirates, traders or whatever. I certainly dont think WoW is being hard done by in this category though, if any of the three are it is probably EvE.
Performance/Lag - WoW = 8.0, EvE = 8.5 and EQ2 = 7.9
Seems fair again, I did still have a few lag issues during peak times in the main WoW cities last time I tried it, instances seemed less lagged than the previous times though. Seems a fair enough score for EvE as well, few bits of lag in the main trade hubs but that is about it normally. EQ2 score seems a little low in my opinion, dont get much in the way of lag but do sometimes get the odd client crash, I would actually have said performance/lag wise it was better than WoW.
Value - WoW = 8.3, EvE = 8.1 and EQ2 = 8.0
The WoW score seems a little high to me, higher purchase price than both EvE and EQ2, same monthly fee but EvE doesnt charge for expansions. I would say thats justification enough for EvE to be top, followed by EQ2 then WoW.
Service - WoW = 7.6, EvE = 8.0 and EQ2 = 7.4
Seems about right, I would say the WoW customer service is on a par with the EQ2 customer service, and the EvE customer service is the best of the bunch although all three certainly have room for improvement.
Overall - WoW = 8.1, EvE = 8.2 and EQ2 = 8.2
So only 0.1 in it, is that really enough to say that WoW is 'hated' by most people who use this site? I certainly dont think so.
No one even talks about Eve this site, for most gamers eve might as well not exist.
Blizzard ignoring this site? I dont blame them mmorph.com obviously takes money for ratings, as well as suporting gold sellers and other smaller issue's.
Problem I see people having with WoW (myself included) is that after playing it a while it really gets old (like every mmorpg can) then people try other games and realize nothing is as good as WoW. Afterwards its easy to bash a game your bored/burnt out on. They complain a few months then go back to wow and the cycle starts again.
Myself I hate burning crusade and sadly will stay with WoW because everything else blows.
WoW is like a brainless 19 year old hottie in a room otherwise full of hags. You feel like you should know better but just cant resist....
Well I have never seen a WoW advertisement on this site, and they do advertise on other game sites, that might have something to do with it.
I also have not seen a goldseller or powerleveling ad in a while, but since MMORPG.com hasn't made an official statement, they probably still accept them if the price is right.
It's interesting that Brad Mcquaid and Vanguard are very anti-gold selling, yet they advertise here knowing that MMORPG.com promotes gold selling. So much for principles.
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Adopting a position that makes you look like your against gold selling is just the current virtual version of dying your hair black and painting your nails for guys.
Blizzard like IGN figure it will win them more support than it loses them otherwise they wouldnt do it. If they gave a flying !$%^ about gold selling they would have secured thier economy. Its that simple. The game is in thier control to the extent that they desire it to be, all they are doing is capitalising a little self promotion on the back of their own ineptitude at managing thier product. Its classic marketing spin.... nothing new.
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Have any of you WoW fanbois considered that maybe those sites that gave TBC at 9.5 are only doing so because Blizzard advertise with them so much? TBC is okay, but it is nothing new, just another 10 levels of the same old stuff that was in the original. An 8.0 would probably have been a more accurate and honest rating, as in my opinion there isnt an MMO on the market yet that deserves a 9.0 or more.
Genius plan.
-> Im saying small when compared to the 1up network, or gamespot.
might be a quality game, if are a brain dead monkey.
I personally would like to start a petition that on all MMO forums, if you enjoy WoW .. your IP is instantly banned from that site. though of course we would need to be sneaky. Maybe don't tell anyone and just have a survey before entering the forum.
Maybe without all the WoW nutjobs, MMOs can start to evolve again instead of having a post start everytime a company tries something different you by some WOW nitwit saying "OMG WOW HAS 8 MILLION SUBSCRIBERS YOU SHOULD DO IT JUST LIKE THEM!" (caps are on purposes since most of THEM us it)
Congratulations, you have just insulted 8,5 million players andProffesional reviewers of being "brain dead monkeys". You also proved that you will NEVER be able to judge an mmorpg as you are unable to detect quality in a game. I think its better to ban everyone who says WoW is a poor quality game, that way we keep the level of discussion high by removing anyone who can't detect quality when they see it, come to think of it, it would also remove anybody who hates WoW simply because its popular (and people LOVE to hate and trash popular things, because it makes them feel "Hah! I'm so not part of the mainstream!")if the shoe fits ....
or they can go the WoW forums and talk about how its the greatest of all time while circle jerking each other and stay away from every other game out there.
its about as high quality as mcdonalds.
Yeah this might be why they aren't going out of there way to talk to mmorpg.com .
Ratings given by players have little to do with the credibility of this site. Game reviews are always highly subjective. There will always be the fanbois who will give their game all 10's and the haters that give 1's. MMORPG.com is only guilty of allowing the members to do so. If you think that the player given ratings should share the accuracy of a NASA lab experiment then you are out to lunch. Personally I would rather them remove the numerical rating system and instead require a written review with a minimum word count to deter ranting but that's another thread.
Bottom line is, at this stage of MMORPG.COM's existence , I don't think it matters what Blizzard thinks of this site. When a journal receives revenue from those that it is reporting on, it compromises its ability to report without bias.
This site is FAR from mainstream, most serious gamers use fires of heaven , foh.org and other similar fansites / guildsites.