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1 War in any country that wasn't about money?
Just 1.
Anyone? Enough people bitch about the Iraq war being about money so it shouldn't be too hard should it?
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Name one.
American Civil War: Started over the North Trying to cut back on some of the major incomes the South Had. Not just slavery, but lots of things. They tried to succeed(sp?) and become their own independent country so that they wouldn't have to obey the new laws.
English Civil War: Power = Money. All about who had power.
French Civil War: "Let them eat cake"
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When I say all wars are about money/power/resources people look at me like an illegal alien or something. From Jupiter. Now I found someone who actually agrees. Or seems to do so.
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Who backed the people who were trying to take power in England during the War of the Roses? It sure as hell wasn't the surfs. It was the Lords who were promised this and that. (Money)
Wiki: "The Wars were fought largely by the landed aristocracy and armies of feudal retainers;"
And as a matter of fact, if my memory serves correctly.... most of the soldiers were actually of the Elite.
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And think about it... The people that got in power after every revolution. They certainly were better off, weren't they? So there's of course a whole bunch of wars fought by people who wanted to KEEP their power.
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Name one.
American Civil War: Started over the North Trying to cut back on some of the major incomes the South Had. Not just slavery, but lots of things. They tried to succeed(sp?) and become their own independent country so that they wouldn't have to obey the new laws.
English Civil War: Power = Money. All about who had power.
French Civil War: "Let them eat cake"
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Well if you are going off the assumption that power = money.... whats the point ?Theres nor arguing with you at all if thats the assumption you are basing this on, as there hasn't been a single war that isn't about power, nearly by definition of war.
But if you remove that ridiculous assumption, most revolutionary wars would be considered a war not for money, but for a change in government. The extra money gained from this endevour is not guarenteed, and the roots of the war was for poilitcal change over money.
well then ask your self why would anyone wage war on their own government? because of unfair living conditions? no enough health benefits? tyranny ? ect. then you have to ask yourself why didn't the government give them these things?...greed in most cases.
We are helping them as well. Just like we helped the Jews in WWII.
What makes the west different from the east? Most of the wars in the east were fought directly over money. The only eastern war and pretty much the only war I can think of that wasn't about money was the communist Pol Pot.
Eh. Who cares if he exterminated 2.5million people for no reason. At least he wasn't about money.
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Is the Iraq war justified because all other wars (in your opinion) have been about money ?
Or are you speaking against capitalism ?
Or perhaps you may be generalising the 1000s of wars which have raged across our planet for the past 100 years. Religious battles, civilian uprising, revolutions, and the likes.
I do agree though, that most of the western worlds wars are fought over money Religious battles? What religious battles?
Religions are a means of inter-generational communication. They're not something to fight wars over. Not even the crusades were about religion. Certainly not the crusades. The Spanish Armada? Nope. The insurgencies in Iraq? Nope.
And wars have been fought over money/power/resources even before money was invented.
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Crusades were about money. To even think otherwise is nonsense.
People uprising is ALWAYS caused by money. Never has there been a single instance where that wasn't the major cause in the uprising. Revolutions are uprisings.
To even think otherwise is just stupidity.
What caused WWII?
33Billion Dollars (or was it 330, I can't remember)
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Name one.
American Civil War: Started over the North Trying to cut back on some of the major incomes the South Had. Not just slavery, but lots of things. They tried to succeed(sp?) and become their own independent country so that they wouldn't have to obey the new laws.
English Civil War: Power = Money. All about who had power.
French Civil War: "Let them eat cake"
Keep going?
Well if you are going off the assumption that power = money.... whats the point ?
Theres nor arguing with you at all if thats the assumption you are basing this on, as there hasn't been a single war that isn't about power, nearly by definition of war.
But if you remove that ridiculous assumption, most revolutionary wars would be considered a war not for money, but for a change in government. The extra money gained from this endevour is not guarenteed, and the roots of the war was for poilitcal change over money.
well then ask your self why would anyone wage war on their own government? because of unfair living conditions? no enough health benefits? tyranny ? ect. then you have to ask yourself why didn't the government give them these things?...greed in most cases.
Once again, what about the numerous wars of religion ?
What religious war?
The Crusades? You might wanna do a little bit of research about what the Crusades were for.
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Is the Iraq war justified because all other wars (in your opinion) have been about money ?
Or are you speaking against capitalism ?
Or perhaps you may be generalising the 1000s of wars which have raged across our planet for the past 100 years. Religious battles, civilian uprising, revolutions, and the likes.
I do agree though, that most of the western worlds wars are fought over money
We are helping them as well. Just like we helped the Jews in WWII.
What makes the west different from the east? Most of the wars in the east were fought directly over money. The only eastern war and pretty much the only war I can think of that wasn't about money was the communist Pol Pot.
So, I guess Pol Pot would be your hero then?
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Name one.
American Civil War: Started over the North Trying to cut back on some of the major incomes the South Had. Not just slavery, but lots of things. They tried to succeed(sp?) and become their own independent country so that they wouldn't have to obey the new laws.
English Civil War: Power = Money. All about who had power.
French Civil War: "Let them eat cake"
Keep going?
Well if you are going off the assumption that power = money.... whats the point ?
Theres nor arguing with you at all if thats the assumption you are basing this on, as there hasn't been a single war that isn't about power, nearly by definition of war.
But if you remove that ridiculous assumption, most revolutionary wars would be considered a war not for money, but for a change in government. The extra money gained from this endevour is not guarenteed, and the roots of the war was for poilitcal change over money.
well then ask your self why would anyone wage war on their own government? because of unfair living conditions? no enough health benefits? tyranny ? ect. then you have to ask yourself why didn't the government give them these things?...greed in most cases.
Once again, what about the numerous wars of religion ?
What religious war?
The Crusades? You might wanna do a little bit of research about what the Crusades were for.
No, not the crusades.Im talking about the majority of religious wars being fought currently in the middle east.
Which ones are about religion?
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Is the Iraq war justified because all other wars (in your opinion) have been about money ?
Or are you speaking against capitalism ?
Or perhaps you may be generalising the 1000s of wars which have raged across our planet for the past 100 years. Religious battles, civilian uprising, revolutions, and the likes.
I do agree though, that most of the western worlds wars are fought over money
We are helping them as well. Just like we helped the Jews in WWII.
What makes the west different from the east? Most of the wars in the east were fought directly over money. The only eastern war and pretty much the only war I can think of that wasn't about money was the communist Pol Pot.
So, I guess Pol Pot would be your hero then?
Eh. Who cares if he exterminated 2.5million people for no reason. At least he wasn't about money.
HELPED THE JEWS IN WORLD WAR II ???!?!?!?!?!You are kidding me right ?
took America nearly the whole war to realise the rest of the world was fighting. Let alone the time it took them to actually bother to try and substantiate the reports out of germany, and by that time the germans had pretty much ran out of Jews.
Why would Pol Pot be my hero ?
someone asked if there had been a war that had been fought not for money, i gave an example of one.
This by no means i support that said war, or even war in general.
I gave a factual answer to the questions.
WHERE THE HELL DO YOU GET OFF MAKING INFLAMATORY COMMENTS LIKE THAT, WITH NO BASIS ?!?
ACCUSING ME OF BEING A FAN OF ONE OF THE WORST HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSERS IN HISTORY
I DEMAND AN APOLOGY
Here. You just pointed out yourself that nations go into wars when they have no choice or when it serves their best interest, as was the case with the us in WW2.
And who said money was the cause of all suffering?
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Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
Name one.
American Civil War: Started over the North Trying to cut back on some of the major incomes the South Had. Not just slavery, but lots of things. They tried to succeed(sp?) and become their own independent country so that they wouldn't have to obey the new laws.
English Civil War: Power = Money. All about who had power.
French Civil War: "Let them eat cake"
Keep going?
Well if you are going off the assumption that power = money.... whats the point ?
Theres nor arguing with you at all if thats the assumption you are basing this on, as there hasn't been a single war that isn't about power, nearly by definition of war.
But if you remove that ridiculous assumption, most revolutionary wars would be considered a war not for money, but for a change in government. The extra money gained from this endevour is not guarenteed, and the roots of the war was for poilitcal change over money.
well then ask your self why would anyone wage war on their own government? because of unfair living conditions? no enough health benefits? tyranny ? ect. then you have to ask yourself why didn't the government give them these things?...greed in most cases.
Once again, what about the numerous wars of religion ?
What religious war?
The Crusades? You might wanna do a little bit of research about what the Crusades were for.
No, not the crusades.
Im talking about the majority of religious wars being fought currently in the middle east.
The people who start those wars are the Muslims that believe that everyone who isn't Muslim doesn't have the right to live.
Really, the people who spearhead those things aren't even Religious. They just use that so the people will back what they want to do.
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I did. WWII was caused by the debt that Germany was forced to pay after WWI and it put them into a depression. When you're in a depression a little spark of someone saying that their suffering is someone else's fault will get people rallied behind them.
At the time, mostly Jews owned stores and pretty much had everything. Which made the majority of the country hate them. Things happen blah blah blah, you then get the Holocaust.
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The fighters fight for the goal of the leader(s) who lead them to believe that their goal is part of their religion and the pursuit of wealth. But, really those leaders don't even practice the rituals of that religion.
There are no Religious Wars in the way you think it means. A religious War simply means two factions of different religions fighting. Naturally, as with any soldier, they rely on their religion to help them through their struggles.
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Not sure what you're trying to say...But lemme take a stab at it...You would rather it be the belief of the fighters,, but when you look at it from a realistic point of view, you can see that it's not about that at all, and that the will of the leaders is ultimately the cause of war, and any belief that a soldier has is most likely the cause of propaganda put out by the leadership.
I'd say that it's just unrealistic optimism, so I don't think you had the wrong word...just phrased it kinda funny.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
I did. WWII was caused by the debt that Germany was forced to pay after WWI and it put them into a depression. When you're in a depression a little spark of someone saying that their suffering is someone else's fault will get people rallied behind them.
At the time, mostly Jews owned stores and pretty much had everything. Which made the majority of the country hate them. Things happen blah blah blah, you then get the Holocaust.
Ah. Well, that doesn't mean money is the cause of all suffering.
But I agree. If it wasn't for the absurd conditions of the Treaty Of Versailles Germany would have never gotte in such an enormous debt and the NSDAP could have never rizen to power.
BTW, the prosecution of the Jews started as early as the times of the Black Plague. In those days the Jews were (thanks to thei strict religious rules of hygene) the cleanest people of the European cities. Thus they were far less affected by the black plague than the rest of the people in the cities. In reaction the already xenophic "natives" spent their time burning jews as witches rather than getting the hell outa their infected towns.
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Sorry guys, I beg to differ. All wars are not fought over money. They're fought over power. And yes, Money is an off-shoot of power, so money does equal power. However, there are lots of forms of power. Some, or all Religions, depending upon how you look at it, are attempts at power. Leaders of a religion have power over their "Faithful", whether they truly believe in their religion of not. Many governments hold a strict military power, the good ole' brute force type of stuff. Still other just have natural charisma. Others hold power in knowledge. Some even hold power in secrets.
The point is, while money is power, power isn't money, power is many other things, and that, my friends, is what all wars are waged over.
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Not sure what you're trying to say...But lemme take a stab at it...You would rather it be the belief of the fighters,, but when you look at it from a realistic point of view, you can see that it's not about that at all, and that the will of the leaders is ultimately the cause of war, and any belief that a soldier has is most likely the cause of propaganda put out by the leadership.
I'd say that it's just unrealistic optimism, so I don't think you had the wrong word...just phrased it kinda funny.
Conversely though, if it is a democratic type governmentThe will of the people may have elected them in to power in the first place.
Thus causing war by change of government. Making the war one of the peoples.
This way it is the people directly who are responsible for the war, and its just the leaders USING the war as a money making sceme.
I dont thing the two are all that mutually exclusive when you take into account the personal desires of the leaders with the will of the people
I'm staying the hell out of this debate...all I know is that a few years ago, everybody was yelling "WOOHOO" to war and so congress did what the people wanted...now the people are saying "BOOHOO" to war and congress is acting like they are trying to do what the people want. Congress doesn't give a crap about whether this war continues, they just want to get reelected so that they can keep their careers. The only person who seems to actually have a legitimate concern with whether or not this war continues is Bush, and that's just because he is in his second term and he doesn't give a damn what anybody has to say anymore.
As for whether or not all war is about money...don't really have a strong opinion one way or another, as I said, I'm just gonna read this as I sip on a beer...well okay, I don't actually like beer, but for this thread I think I can make an exception.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
Most conflicts are either in direct pursuit of resources (money) or influenced by that pursuit. There's no such thing as an altruistic war.
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Right here I started to say "look at gangs in america" here but those are all about money, lol.
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you can look up poles i just know its true. when the people of america started saying boo and not believing anymore was when bush and company lied as to why we went into iraq. afganistan was ok but lieing about a country we invaded and didnt need to be in is over kill. clinton was looked at to get impeached for lieing about a BJ and its not even getting close to impeaching bush for a HORENDOUS LIE THAT HAS DONE WORSE FOR THE PEOPLE OF IRAQ!!!
there are many injustese goin g on around the world worse than iraq was ever thought of being. try south africa oh wait we get money from there nevermind.
and still no word of bin laden. bullshit you find sadam in a underground bunker but you cant find osama?? and instead of spending all this money in iraq where we shouldnt be. the billions of dollars spent could house the homeless of america made sure no kids starved got national health coverage for all americans ect.
so please flame me all you want but this is my view and opinion and nothing will change it. i hope you can see the other side of the coin. i believe in war only for extreme mesures. i support the troops not the war.
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