i'm just arguing that absolute free will and an omniscient God are mutually exclusive. If the outcome of our actions are known by god, then, at most, humans would have a perceived free will.
which is what Christianity believes in. I.e- You do good things to go to Heaven, bad to go to Hell, etc.
That's not what Christianity believes in . That's what makes it different than any other religion.
Please explain to me then what seperates a man going to heaven vs. a man going to hell.
Jesus...that's pretty much it as far as the Christian faith goes...you have Jesus in your heart and you try to live the kind of life that he wanted people to live, and you win at the game of life. As far as Christianity goes you could be the more righteous person in the world, but if you don't believe that Jesus died for your sins, then you don't collect $200 when you pass Go.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
which is what Christianity believes in. I.e- You do good things to go to Heaven, bad to go to Hell, etc.
That's not what Christianity believes in . That's what makes it different than any other religion.
Please explain to me then what seperates a man going to heaven vs. a man going to hell.
Ill try to be as brief as possible:
Since the origin of first sin, man had to sacrifice an animal to be forgiven by God. It was a blood sacrifice and it was considered the ultimate sacrifice. It was through that ultimate sacrifice that God would forgive his people's sins.
Fast Foward:
Jesus always claimed he was the lamb of God. Being a lamb in Israel wasn't a good thing. Because the most unblemished and perfect lamb would be slaughtered at the Temple of God during the Day of Atonement. The priests would slaughter the lamb and he would take a goat and pronounce that all the sins of the people be transferred to this goat (hence the word "Scapegoat") A shepherd would then follow this goat out into the wilderness and watch it until it died. This was the day of Atonement.
Jesus, being the lamb of God, always told his followers he would die. Well, he did. He served as both the lamb and the scapegoat. He was slaughtered and God had all the sins of the world from the beginning of time to the end of time transferred to Christ. (which is one of the reasons why Christ screamed out, "My God My God, why have you forsaken me??") All the sins of the world pretty much helped kill him off.
The resurrection of Christ tells us he conquered death and the sins were ..well...sucessfully transferred.
So...why doesn't good people automatically go to heaven and bad people to hell? Well...because Jesus served as the sacrifice you must acknowledge that he did that. Similiar to the Day of Atonement where the people had to acknowledge that lamb was sacrificed for their sins, we too have to acknowledge the same thing with Christ.
You believe Christ was slaughtered for your sins you go to heaven. If you don't then you still are tainted with original sin and since Sin and Godliness cannot co-exist in heaven then ...well....you are sorta screwed.
Its the Judeo-Christian belief. Jews believe you must sacrifice to be forgiven (and since they havent been doing this for two thousand years, they put their hope in their prayers as being a substitute).
Muslims really dont have a clear cut answer. You must follow the five pillars of faith every single day and that will increase your odds of going to heaven. Fundamentalist muslims believe you will automatically go to heaven if you die in a Jihad (Holy War)...as similiar to the beliefs in the Christian Crusades.... more of aPropanganda tool if you ask me.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
which is what Christianity believes in. I.e- You do good things to go to Heaven, bad to go to Hell, etc.
That's not what Christianity believes in . That's what makes it different than any other religion.
Please explain to me then what seperates a man going to heaven vs. a man going to hell.
Jesus...that's pretty much it as far as the Christian faith goes...you have Jesus in your heart and you try to live the kind of life that he wanted people to live, and you win at the game of life. As far as Christianity goes you could be the more righteous person in the world, but if you don't believe that Jesus died for your sins, then you don't collect $200 when you pass Go. I understand what you are saying, but what if a man or woman believes Jesus died for their sins and is a practicing Christian and everything, but everyday they go around and kill 5 people. Where would they end up?
which is what Christianity believes in. I.e- You do good things to go to Heaven, bad to go to Hell, etc.
That's not what Christianity believes in . That's what makes it different than any other religion.
Please explain to me then what seperates a man going to heaven vs. a man going to hell.
Jesus...that's pretty much it as far as the Christian faith goes...you have Jesus in your heart and you try to live the kind of life that he wanted people to live, and you win at the game of life. As far as Christianity goes you could be the more righteous person in the world, but if you don't believe that Jesus died for your sins, then you don't collect $200 when you pass Go.I understand what you are saying, but what if a man or woman believes Jesus died for their sins and is a practicing Christian and everything, but everyday they go around and kill 5 people. Where would they end up?
Heaven?
Or what about the sick individuals that derive pleasure from pain? Wouldn't the christian hell be a heaven for such people? So does that make hell a subjective place where you create your surroundings?
I guess we'll just have to wait and see, because I love me some bondage in fiery atmospheres.
which is what Christianity believes in. I.e- You do good things to go to Heaven, bad to go to Hell, etc.
That's not what Christianity believes in . That's what makes it different than any other religion.
Please explain to me then what seperates a man going to heaven vs. a man going to hell.
Jesus...that's pretty much it as far as the Christian faith goes...you have Jesus in your heart and you try to live the kind of life that he wanted people to live, and you win at the game of life. As far as Christianity goes you could be the more righteous person in the world, but if you don't believe that Jesus died for your sins, then you don't collect $200 when you pass Go.I understand what you are saying, but what if a man or woman believes Jesus died for their sins and is a practicing Christian and everything, but everyday they go around and kill 5 people. Where would they end up?
Paul mentioned this in the book of Romans. When you are a christian, you are indwelled with the Holy Spirit. You will not have a desire to kill five people a day. If there was a christian who killed five people a day then the following is true:
1. They are homicidal schizo maniacs who has no idea what christianity is all about
2. They say they are Christians but they are deceiving you.
Paul said (Paraphrased)
"So if we are christians and saved by grace then that means we can keep on sinning so that Grace may succeed and grow? Of course not!!"
It's also mentioned in the Book of Hebrews that if a Christian keeps on sinning the way he does without no remorse for forgiveness then the Holy Spirit will leave him.
so....no....you will not find people who kill people everyday in heaven or people who abused children in heaven. However, if they did kill people or abuse children in the past, became a Christian and asked for forgiveness and lead a life of honoring God, then you will see them in heaven.
The blood of Christ isnt selective. It much more powerful than that
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
which is what Christianity believes in. I.e- You do good things to go to Heaven, bad to go to Hell, etc.
That's not what Christianity believes in . That's what makes it different than any other religion.
Please explain to me then what seperates a man going to heaven vs. a man going to hell.
Jesus...that's pretty much it as far as the Christian faith goes...you have Jesus in your heart and you try to live the kind of life that he wanted people to live, and you win at the game of life. As far as Christianity goes you could be the more righteous person in the world, but if you don't believe that Jesus died for your sins, then you don't collect $200 when you pass Go.I understand what you are saying, but what if a man or woman believes Jesus died for their sins and is a practicing Christian and everything, but everyday they go around and kill 5 people. Where would they end up?
Heaven?
Or what about the sick individuals that derive pleasure from pain? Wouldn't the christian hell be a heaven for such people? So does that make hell a subjective place where you create your surroundings?
I guess we'll just have to wait and see, because I love me some bondage in fiery atmospheres.
That depends on whether hell is eternal torment or eternal destruction as I've already stated some posts ago. If you also love the thought of death, then go ye forth and commit suicide. It's your choice. I wouldn't condone it, but that's free will for you. If some people derrive pleasure from pain and the end of the wicked is eternal torment, then could you say that God is any less merciful?
"Put your foot where your mouth is." - Wisdom from my grandfather "Paper or plastic? ... because I'm afraid I'll have to suffocate you unless you put this bag on your head..." - Ethnitrek AC1: Wierding from Harvestgain
Heaven? Or what about the sick individuals that derive pleasure from pain? Wouldn't the christian hell be a heaven for such people? So does that make hell a subjective place where you create your surroundings? I guess we'll just have to wait and see, because I love me some bondage in fiery atmospheres.
I'm sure I can work something out....
______________________________ "When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!" -cheer leading, flag waving American
Jesus...that's pretty much it as far as the Christian faith goes...you have Jesus in your heart and you try to live the kind of life that he wanted people to live, and you win at the game of life. As far as Christianity goes you could be the more righteous person in the world, but if you don't believe that Jesus died for your sins, then you don't collect $200 when you pass Go.
Well isn't that selfish of Jesus, demanding that we acknowledge his sacrifice. Not much of an unsung hero. The true heroes are the ones that do good and help people and are satisfied that they changed a life...not rubbing it in everyone's face while on a pedestal. Maybe I should take after Jesus and donate to charity, then go on Oprah and tell everyone how good of a person I am and demand everyone to acknowledge it or die in the fiery pits of HELL!!
______________________________ "When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!" -cheer leading, flag waving American
Heaven? Or what about the sick individuals that derive pleasure from pain? Wouldn't the christian hell be a heaven for such people? So does that make hell a subjective place where you create your surroundings? I guess we'll just have to wait and see, because I love me some bondage in fiery atmospheres.
I'm sure I can work something out....
lol
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
This is kind of unrelated to your question but this is my two cents on religion.
One day after i'd been programing a lot I came up with a idea about religion. My reasoning is that if we do secessfully create an artificial intelligence that lives inside a computer then it would be proof for a god because we could be the programs in gods computer and not even know it. The world could be a test and the creator(s) of the test will delete the programs that didn't perform will and will save the smarter ones. Physics would just be a creation of the programmer(g so there would be no way to do experiments to prove that there was something out there. Our entire sience could be programmed in which would solve the whole second law of thermodynamics problem. Think of being the scientist that creates the first artificial life form in a computer. You could give it any reality you wanted, any senses, even change its perception of time. Would you make a perfect world for it? I know I wouldn't. Programs that were smarter would be saved. What ones are smarter? For me that would the ones that figured out that I had made them. That looked back out of the screen and knew I was watching. Programs that didn't perform as will would be deleted. Why save the programs? So that you can redo the simulation with only the smart ones. Maybe see if they could make their own artificial life. Or maybe the scientist would try to uplift them into his would using robots for their bodies. If you were this scientist wouldn't you start to wonder if maybe you were just a program in gods computer? currently we're are actually getting kinda close to making artificial life.
Hmm lets see, the bible is popular because back after Christianity was established it then became very warlike and since it conquered most of the area's it was able to write history as it saw fit. Imagine if the Chinese or Mongols took over and please don't forget that Human history goes back a lot longer than biblical times. We find evidence all the time that pushes back the dawn of civilized man and there still is cities to be found. My point is just that the victors get to write history and for the longest time the human victor was the tribe that could kill the other more efficiently. Not very pious in my opinion and alot of the things in the old testement are very disturbing as it advocates things like rape and murder, I can find the exact passages if you want me to? What if Rome never declined? We only have the bible as such a widespread tool simply because they got lucky and survived when other religions and ideals did not.
The Egyptians,Hittites, Assyrians, Babylonians and Sumerians pre-date Christianity by 1000's of years and its also funny to notice how similar their creation myths are which tells me they have a common ancestor? Atlantis? IMO, the bible is just a copy of older scripture and Jesus was just someone who knew how to inspire people and at the time it might have been the best thing but not now imo. I am sorry I just have no faith in words written by various people with various agenda's and the fact organized religion wants 10% of your income also says a lot. So many different civilizations and probably over a million different religions then I am starting to see a pattern and that pattern is mans want for: control, answers on mortality and purpose of existence which drives us to create our own visions of the eternal?
1. The new testament (nt) is the idol of christendom.
2. Those "christains" worship 'Christ' as G, instead of G; thereby breaking the first and foremost First Commandment.
Christianity as a sect of decadent Judasm. By 27-33ad (Yeshua's crucifiction) Israel/Judea had been in decline for centuries (Israel [northern jew tribes/ Moshe's descendent priesthood] having turned their back on G and his Commandments and worshiped baal and astoreth [Isaiah 1:4-7, Micah 3:11-12, Amos 8:1-3] and having lost G's protection were carried away into captivity to Assyria in 722bc by Sargon 2; Judah [southern jew tribes, Aaron's descendent priests] by 589bc was similarly carried away into captivity by Babylon's Nebuchadrezzar 2 and Yerushalayim sacked temple destroyed. These captivities were directly due to the jews turning their back on G and stoping following His Laws.
Even at the time of Yeshua all the jews wanted was someone to get the romans out of their country and removal of the corrupt saduce & pharace that had been leading the country into ruin for the last 700 yrs. They narced Yeshua to the romans to get Him executed because they feared his magic (raised the dead, walked on water, transmuted and summoned substances, healed untreatable illnesses, possed amazing knowledge of scripture, ect.)
After the resurection (His second coming) All his Teachings were suppressed, [b]especially the teachings between the resurection and ascendency[/b] . And the jew-priest/politicians saught to kill His folowers since they would not submit to their scam-talmud/kabbalah.
For 300 years the romans and jews murdered most all the Desciples and folowers of Christ, taking great sport in their crucifictions and being fed to wild animals in the coliseum. And since rome was founded and maintained through murder/slavery and sexual perversion (sex with slaves/children/animals/corpses) when those outlying slave territories rebelled and turned on rome the apolo worshiping constentine scamed the troops claiming they were blessed by the christain G, and they were to kill other romans to help secure his unifying the empire (that still kept the slavery/murder/perversions!!) Amazing, the christain G to support rome through military force but not Israel/Jerusalem !!
Over the next 100 years they (roman emperior and 'christain' bishops that would play ball) conspired to fabricate their own bible, since the Return of Christ STILL had not happened, so they would provide the ignorant masses something (idol) they could worship and justify their 'faith' on... the nt. Most of the authors of the nt 'books' were unknown and since much of early christanity had to be practised in secret (fear of getting narced by jews or discovered by romans resulting in execution [the early christains would not bow down and offer sacrifice to the roman gods [that they stole from the greeks and renamed, like they stole the christain religion from Jerusalem and even renamed the Messiah {Y'shua<<Yod,tse-Re,Shin, Shureq,Ayin,Hey>>/aramaic--iesous/greek-- iesu/latin-- jesus/english, if one ignores the mistranslations through three later languages His name Y'shua translates to Joshua, NOT jesus, might want to get the Name of one's savior right!}])
This earliest codex-nt started with a single gospel (that began with the record according to John) and later split into four books/memoirs and further split Luke into Luke and Acts. fyi Marc, Luke and saul were not even desciples of Christ, they came along 10 to 15 YEARS after the resurection. All their testimony is 2nd and 3rd person hersay [or just made up like in saul's letters] they did not directly witness ANY of what later 'christains' would accept as on the same level of authority as the writings of Moshe and Isaiah; at least those prophits could demonstrate their Authority was backed-up with demonstrated Miracles.
Christains get away with their nt abridged to the jew old testament (ot) due to the fact for the last 2000 years or so there have been NO further prophets and NO return of Christ yet. But if one knows anything about Lucifer, they know exactly what the catholic church worships, with their idols, removal of G, even rewriting of the Commandments (removing the idols and sabboth commandments and later just tossing out all the commandments and in their place scribing their own creeds and commandments.) For thousands of years the catholic church has accumulated wealth, appointed thrones to rule over nations and misdirected mankind from worshiping G by having people worship relics/saints/jesus/mary even letting sinners have their sins forgiven if they pony up $ (indulgences.) Even today for the last thousand years the church has been full of pedophiles and instead of removing those degenerates the church protects them and moves them from parish to parish letting them keep on molesting children, even going to the point of declairing bankruptcy to protect the parish assets from civil litigation.
Hmm lets see, the bible is popular because back after Christianity was established it then became very warlike and since it conquered most of the area's it was able to write history as it saw fit. Imagine if the Chinese or Mongols took over and please don't forget that Human history goes back a lot longer than biblical times. We find evidence all the time that pushes back the dawn of civilized man and there still is cities to be found. My point is just that the victors get to write history and for the longest time the human victor was the tribe that could kill the other more efficiently. Not very pious in my opinion and alot of the things in the old testement are very disturbing as it advocates things like rape and murder, I can find the exact passages if you want me to? What if Rome never declined? We only have the bible as such a widespread tool simply because they got lucky and survived when other religions and ideals did not.
The Egyptians,Hittites, Assyrians, Babylonians and Sumerians pre-date Christianity by 1000's of years and its also funny to notice how similar their creation myths are which tells me they have a common ancestor? Atlantis? IMO, the bible is just a copy of older scripture and Jesus was just someone who knew how to inspire people and at the time it might have been the best thing but not now imo. I am sorry I just have no faith in words written by various people with various agenda's and the fact organized religion wants 10% of your income also says a lot. So many different civilizations and probably over a million different religions then I am starting to see a pattern and that pattern is mans want for: control, answers on mortality and purpose of existence which drives us to create our own visions of the eternal?
Wow....lots of errors in that statment.
The first part of the Bible was written during times of turmoil and strive. The first five books of the Bible was written while Moses was in a nomadic state hoping that tomorrow will be the day he will come into the promise land that God told him about. They lived off of water and manna (a substance that was either given to them by God or a pseudo-soy plant substance). There was hardly any warlike winning hebrews during that time.
The next two books of Joshua and Judges was written during a state of civil war. The Hewbrew people found their homeland but then they started to fight among themselves. The 12 tribes of Judea fought and killed each other. The first time since the formation of the Hebrew people. The book of Judges was about people who rose up among the ashes of defeat to help maintain a State of existance within Israel.
Let's fast forward to the new testament.
The New Testament was written in secrecy and the people who read those early books (scrolls) did so in secrecy. If they were caught, they had no chance of survival. Before 80 AD, the Jewish authorities would have them killed for Blaspehemy and after 80 AD the Roman Consulant had them killed due to heresy. The Roman courts declared that worshiping this Jesus and not the Ceasor was a violation against the Empire. Thus, such an infraction against the state of Rome required execution. Whether you were a citizen or not.
Christians were subjected to torture, devoured by animals in gladiator arenas, and Nero used their bodies as torches on posts during his late night banquets. All of this happened because the early christians read and practiced what the scrolls of the new testament had said.
It was until 300 years later when Christianity became the Empire's national religion. By then, three different forms of the Bible had already been form; so the issue that the Bible was written during their glorious battles is far from the truth. Also, the reason why you are able to read what I am writing to you today is because when Christianity became recognized as the State Religion, many Priests and Bishops risked their lives to preach among the Goths and other Germanic Tribes.
When those Germanic Tribes sacked Rome about a hundred years later, everyone was pretty much killed but the Christians. It was because the Christians practiced what Christ preached. They fed the barbarians when they were hungry, the clothed them, and they ministered to them. It was because of the Barbarians saving the monestaries from destruction that kept the monks continuing to write books and keeping the written art alive.
There was only four books written in the Old Testament during Israel's rise to fame, glory, and power. Every other book in the Old Testament was written during turmoil and torment. 100% of every book written in the New testament was written amongst prosecution and the fear of death. Even the last book of the Bible was written by an Apostle who was exiled to an island to live the rest of his life by himself. The island was his prison.
BTW...the Bible is not a 100% Christian Bible. It is 50/50 Jewish and Christian. The Old Testament is purely from the Ancient Hebrew text,
The oldest book in the Bible is well over five thousand years old. Far older than any Hittite, Assyrian, or Babylonian text. You really need to study on the Bible before making accusations against it.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
The Holy Bible (containing both the Old and New Testaments) is the most published and book of all time. There's a reason why so many are bought. It brings comfort to some, hope for others and an insightful array of words to describe what God is really all about.
It just so happens to be the first book ever printed by the printing press. Somehow I think if the Quoran was the first book to be used (and if the middle-east and Europe were switched technologically), the Quoran would be have that spot. Religion is very circumstantial, both in what religion people believe in young adulthood in how they practice it. Especially in America where such silly things as "One only one marriage EVER." is ignored (though, to be fair, the English were the ones that started divorce as we know it).
The reason that I am not an atheist or an agnostic is that I have a personal experience of God and spirituality that enriches my life and makes me a better person, and I am not willing to give that up just because it can't be seen or measured in the ordinary way. I have no problem with science, and it doesn't weaken or contradict my faith. Failing to prove that something exists is not the same as proving it doesn't exist, and I can't quite make the leap of faith that the catalyst behind the evolution that led to creatures capable of writing sonnets and building space stations was mere chance.That I am sitting here having these thoughts, relating these thoughts through words, sending these words out via the Net where they will be read and understood (or not), is enough of a miracle for me.
I tend to believe in faith first and all the particulars of practice later. It's easy to get caught up in going to church or praying 5 times a day or wearing certain clothes or not eating certain foods and to believe that this is the substance of religion, when, to my mind, the substance of religion is you seek God and he finds you, and everything after that falls into place. I came to this conclusion after a lot of seeking in which I put getting the practice right at the expense of looking for God.
In short, I believe what I do because of direct experience. I wouldn't recommend my particular faith to anyone. I'd recommend going out and hunting for God for yourself.
... This is where I draw the line: __________________.
Hmm lets see, the bible is popular because back after Christianity was established it then became very warlike and since it conquered most of the area's it was able to write history as it saw fit. Imagine if the Chinese or Mongols took over and please don't forget that Human history goes back a lot longer than biblical times. We find evidence all the time that pushes back the dawn of civilized man and there still is cities to be found. My point is just that the victors get to write history and for the longest time the human victor was the tribe that could kill the other more efficiently. Not very pious in my opinion and alot of the things in the old testement are very disturbing as it advocates things like rape and murder, I can find the exact passages if you want me to? What if Rome never declined? We only have the bible as such a widespread tool simply because they got lucky and survived when other religions and ideals did not.
The Egyptians,Hittites, Assyrians, Babylonians and Sumerians pre-date Christianity by 1000's of years and its also funny to notice how similar their creation myths are which tells me they have a common ancestor? Atlantis? IMO, the bible is just a copy of older scripture and Jesus was just someone who knew how to inspire people and at the time it might have been the best thing but not now imo. I am sorry I just have no faith in words written by various people with various agenda's and the fact organized religion wants 10% of your income also says a lot. So many different civilizations and probably over a million different religions then I am starting to see a pattern and that pattern is mans want for: control, answers on mortality and purpose of existence which drives us to create our own visions of the eternal?
Wow....lots of errors in that statment.
The first part of the Bible was written during times of turmoil and strive. The first five books of the Bible was written while Moses was in a nomadic state hoping that tomorrow will be the day he will come into the promise land that God told him about. They lived off of water and manna (a substance that was either given to them by God or a pseudo-soy plant substance). There was hardly any warlike winning hebrews during that time.
The next two books of Joshua and Judges was written during a state of civil war. The Hewbrew people found their homeland but then they started to fight among themselves. The 12 tribes of Judea fought and killed each other. The first time since the formation of the Hebrew people. The book of Judges was about people who rose up among the ashes of defeat to help maintain a State of existance within Israel.
Let's fast forward to the new testament.
The New Testament was written in secrecy and the people who read those early books (scrolls) did so in secrecy. If they were caught, they had no chance of survival. Before 80 AD, the Jewish authorities would have them killed for Blaspehemy and after 80 AD the Roman Consulant had them killed due to heresy. The Roman courts declared that worshiping this Jesus and not the Ceasor was a violation against the Empire. Thus, such an infraction against the state of Rome required execution. Whether you were a citizen or not.
Christians were subjected to torture, devoured by animals in gladiator arenas, and Nero used their bodies as torches on posts during his late night banquets. All of this happened because the early christians read and practiced what the scrolls of the new testament had said.
It was until 300 years later when Christianity became the Empire's national religion. By then, three different forms of the Bible had already been form; so the issue that the Bible was written during their glorious battles is far from the truth. Also, the reason why you are able to read what I am writing to you today is because when Christianity became recognized as the State Religion, many Priests and Bishops risked their lives to preach among the Goths and other Germanic Tribes.
When those Germanic Tribes sacked Rome about a hundred years later, everyone was pretty much killed but the Christians. It was because the Christians practiced what Christ preached. They fed the barbarians when they were hungry, the clothed them, and they ministered to them. It was because of the Barbarians saving the monestaries from destruction that kept the monks continuing to write books and keeping the written art alive.
There was only four books written in the Old Testament during Israel's rise to fame, glory, and power. Every other book in the Old Testament was written during turmoil and torment. 100% of every book written in the New testament was written amongst prosecution and the fear of death. Even the last book of the Bible was written by an Apostle who was exiled to an island to live the rest of his life by himself. The island was his prison.
BTW...the Bible is not a 100% Christian Bible. It is 50/50 Jewish and Christian. The Old Testament is purely from the Ancient Hebrew text,
The oldest book in the Bible is well over five thousand years old. Far older than any Hittite, Assyrian, or Babylonian text. You really need to study on the Bible before making accusations against it.
Well for starters I don't believe the bible to be factually accurate and they couldn't even get stuff like what Pharoh was ruling Egypt when Moses lived there. The bible says Ramses the great but in fact no records during his reign show any mention of the biblical plagues and death of the first born. The one Moses they did find records of lived during a completely different pharoh's reign and only the bible mentions the supposed acts of god. Here is a list of biblical writings and the date they were written: www.davnet.org/kevin/articles/bible_dates.html
Now here is some words written not by me but someone on another forum I agree with which correlates to the list I posted a link to:
Is religion the opium of the masses or the instigator of wars? you can't really have it both ways Are people inherently calm and religion riles them up or are people inherently violent and religion calms them down?
If you people belive in freedom of speech then why attack religion. People are always going to have wars. Wars are what make humanity great. Almost all the technology your using was developed by the military including that computer(made to calculate missile trajectories)
Another Question isn't it better for everyone including the "Sheep" if they stay in the pen?
The thing that confuses me a lot and I just don't understand is in parts of the bible it says you should beat to death all bad children or it's ok to sell your daughter into slavery or rape or murder. When somebody points that out, somebody else always says well no you shouldn't read that part read all the parts where it says I love everybody. And some people may simply just ignore it. What do you do? Simply not pay attention to the parts that tell you to rape and murder. Also heard somebody say well the Ten Commandments say Thou shall not kill. Well! when you think about more people have died because of religion then anything else, easily! So I guess it depends who's being killed and who's doing the killing? Or do you ignore it and simply find the alternitive that fits best and seems most civil and relating to the time period and pick and choose? Which just doesn't seem fair at all. Or is the person some how misinterpreting it and it's somehow a metaphor or analogy or that person is reading out of context? All this just confuses me. . .
And that whole Noah's Ark story just seems a little crazy if you think about it. Seperating all the marsupials so they happen to end up on Australia. That story just seems a little crazy to me.
The thing that confuses me a lot and I just don't understand is in parts of the bible it says you should beat to death all bad children or it's ok to sell your daughter into slavery or rape or murder. When somebody points that out, somebody else always says well no you shouldn't read that part read all the parts where it says I love everybody. And some people may simply just ignore it. What do you do? Simply not pay attention to the parts that tell you to rape and murder. Also heard somebody say well the Ten Commandments say Thou shall not kill. Well! when you think about more people have died because of religion then anything else, easily! So I guess it depends who's being killed and who's doing the killing? Or do you ignore it and simply find the alternitive that fits best and seems most civil and relating to the time period and pick and choose? Which just doesn't seem fair at all. Or is the person some how misinterpreting it and it's somehow a metaphor or analogy or that person is reading out of context? All this just confuses me. . .
And that whole Noah's Ark story just seems a little crazy if you think about it. Seperating all the marsupials so they happen to end up on Australia. That story just seems a little crazy to me.
Thou shalt not kill is funny because they have to change the word of God to "murder" (apparently God made a mistake in definitions) in order for it to "make sense" because of the obvious religous folks in the military murdering people (if the war was declared illegally and also all the innocent people that get killed) and whatever else.
Edit: *sigh*...I was starting to get myself confused between kill and murder.
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I'm agnostic myself, and sometimes I end up leaning one way or another.
I consider myself Agnostic, as I have a lot of trouble believing in Religion and God. However, I can't build up enough faith to say there is absolutely no possibility of there being a God.
Really, I'm not hardwired for faith in just about anyone or anything, so its no suprise I end up being Agnostic, which is basically the complete lack of faith.
We barely remember who or what came before this precious moment; We are choosing to be here right now -Tool, Parabola
i'm just arguing that absolute free will and an omniscient God are mutually exclusive. If the outcome of our actions are known by god, then, at most, humans would have a perceived free will.
Yeah .. but would you still refuse to believe if I say to you that I'm exercising my absolute free will in my belief that the omniscience of God isn't mutually exclusive with the fact that an absolute beauty, a rare pearl in the den of wolves full of masculinity, just dropped a WORD on the rest of us, and freed wolves from absolute male boredom ???
You are a shinning oasis in the middle of desert !!
I'm agnostic myself, and sometimes I end up leaning one way or another. I consider myself Agnostic, as I have a lot of trouble believing in Religion and God. However, I can't build up enough faith to say there is absolutely no possibility of there being a God. Really, I'm not hardwired for faith in just about anyone or anything, so its no suprise I end up being Agnostic, which is basically the complete lack of faith.
At least you're open minded. A lot of Atheists try to disprove God through disproving Christianity's God, Judaism's God, Islam's God...ect. But all Atheists are doing is disproving Christianity's God, Judaism's God, and Islam's God. Atheists can't disprove that there is no God at all, all they can hope to do is disprove religions and all their excess beliefs (like did Jesus do this or that...ect).
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People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
That's not what Christianity believes in
. That's what makes it different than any other religion.
Please explain to me then what seperates a man going to heaven vs. a man going to hell.That's not what Christianity believes in
. That's what makes it different than any other religion.
Please explain to me then what seperates a man going to heaven vs. a man going to hell.Jesus...that's pretty much it as far as the Christian faith goes...you have Jesus in your heart and you try to live the kind of life that he wanted people to live, and you win at the game of life. As far as Christianity goes you could be the more righteous person in the world, but if you don't believe that Jesus died for your sins, then you don't collect $200 when you pass Go.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
That's not what Christianity believes in
. That's what makes it different than any other religion.
Please explain to me then what seperates a man going to heaven vs. a man going to hell.Ill try to be as brief as possible:
Since the origin of first sin, man had to sacrifice an animal to be forgiven by God. It was a blood sacrifice and it was considered the ultimate sacrifice. It was through that ultimate sacrifice that God would forgive his people's sins.
Fast Foward:
Jesus always claimed he was the lamb of God. Being a lamb in Israel wasn't a good thing. Because the most unblemished and perfect lamb would be slaughtered at the Temple of God during the Day of Atonement. The priests would slaughter the lamb and he would take a goat and pronounce that all the sins of the people be transferred to this goat (hence the word "Scapegoat") A shepherd would then follow this goat out into the wilderness and watch it until it died. This was the day of Atonement.
Jesus, being the lamb of God, always told his followers he would die. Well, he did. He served as both the lamb and the scapegoat. He was slaughtered and God had all the sins of the world from the beginning of time to the end of time transferred to Christ. (which is one of the reasons why Christ screamed out, "My God My God, why have you forsaken me??") All the sins of the world pretty much helped kill him off.
The resurrection of Christ tells us he conquered death and the sins were ..well...sucessfully transferred.
So...why doesn't good people automatically go to heaven and bad people to hell? Well...because Jesus served as the sacrifice you must acknowledge that he did that. Similiar to the Day of Atonement where the people had to acknowledge that lamb was sacrificed for their sins, we too have to acknowledge the same thing with Christ.
You believe Christ was slaughtered for your sins you go to heaven. If you don't then you still are tainted with original sin and since Sin and Godliness cannot co-exist in heaven then ...well....you are sorta screwed.
Its the Judeo-Christian belief. Jews believe you must sacrifice to be forgiven (and since they havent been doing this for two thousand years, they put their hope in their prayers as being a substitute).
Muslims really dont have a clear cut answer. You must follow the five pillars of faith every single day and that will increase your odds of going to heaven. Fundamentalist muslims believe you will automatically go to heaven if you die in a Jihad (Holy War)...as similiar to the beliefs in the Christian Crusades.... more of aPropanganda tool if you ask me.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
That's not what Christianity believes in
. That's what makes it different than any other religion.
Please explain to me then what seperates a man going to heaven vs. a man going to hell.Jesus...that's pretty much it as far as the Christian faith goes...you have Jesus in your heart and you try to live the kind of life that he wanted people to live, and you win at the game of life. As far as Christianity goes you could be the more righteous person in the world, but if you don't believe that Jesus died for your sins, then you don't collect $200 when you pass Go. I understand what you are saying, but what if a man or woman believes Jesus died for their sins and is a practicing Christian and everything, but everyday they go around and kill 5 people. Where would they end up?
That's not what Christianity believes in
. That's what makes it different than any other religion.
Please explain to me then what seperates a man going to heaven vs. a man going to hell.Jesus...that's pretty much it as far as the Christian faith goes...you have Jesus in your heart and you try to live the kind of life that he wanted people to live, and you win at the game of life. As far as Christianity goes you could be the more righteous person in the world, but if you don't believe that Jesus died for your sins, then you don't collect $200 when you pass Go.I understand what you are saying, but what if a man or woman believes Jesus died for their sins and is a practicing Christian and everything, but everyday they go around and kill 5 people. Where would they end up?
Heaven?
Or what about the sick individuals that derive pleasure from pain? Wouldn't the christian hell be a heaven for such people? So does that make hell a subjective place where you create your surroundings?
I guess we'll just have to wait and see, because I love me some bondage in fiery atmospheres.
That's not what Christianity believes in
. That's what makes it different than any other religion.
Please explain to me then what seperates a man going to heaven vs. a man going to hell.Jesus...that's pretty much it as far as the Christian faith goes...you have Jesus in your heart and you try to live the kind of life that he wanted people to live, and you win at the game of life. As far as Christianity goes you could be the more righteous person in the world, but if you don't believe that Jesus died for your sins, then you don't collect $200 when you pass Go.I understand what you are saying, but what if a man or woman believes Jesus died for their sins and is a practicing Christian and everything, but everyday they go around and kill 5 people. Where would they end up?
Paul mentioned this in the book of Romans. When you are a christian, you are indwelled with the Holy Spirit. You will not have a desire to kill five people a day. If there was a christian who killed five people a day then the following is true:
1. They are homicidal schizo maniacs who has no idea what christianity is all about
2. They say they are Christians but they are deceiving you.
Paul said (Paraphrased)
"So if we are christians and saved by grace then that means we can keep on sinning so that Grace may succeed and grow? Of course not!!"
It's also mentioned in the Book of Hebrews that if a Christian keeps on sinning the way he does without no remorse for forgiveness then the Holy Spirit will leave him.
so....no....you will not find people who kill people everyday in heaven or people who abused children in heaven. However, if they did kill people or abuse children in the past, became a Christian and asked for forgiveness and lead a life of honoring God, then you will see them in heaven.
The blood of Christ isnt selective. It much more powerful than that
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
That's not what Christianity believes in
. That's what makes it different than any other religion.
Please explain to me then what seperates a man going to heaven vs. a man going to hell.Jesus...that's pretty much it as far as the Christian faith goes...you have Jesus in your heart and you try to live the kind of life that he wanted people to live, and you win at the game of life. As far as Christianity goes you could be the more righteous person in the world, but if you don't believe that Jesus died for your sins, then you don't collect $200 when you pass Go.I understand what you are saying, but what if a man or woman believes Jesus died for their sins and is a practicing Christian and everything, but everyday they go around and kill 5 people. Where would they end up?
Heaven?
Or what about the sick individuals that derive pleasure from pain? Wouldn't the christian hell be a heaven for such people? So does that make hell a subjective place where you create your surroundings?
I guess we'll just have to wait and see, because I love me some bondage in fiery atmospheres.
That depends on whether hell is eternal torment or eternal destruction as I've already stated some posts ago. If you also love the thought of death, then go ye forth and commit suicide. It's your choice. I wouldn't condone it, but that's free will for you. If some people derrive pleasure from pain and the end of the wicked is eternal torment, then could you say that God is any less merciful?"Put your foot where your mouth is." - Wisdom from my grandfather
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lol
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
One day after i'd been programing a lot I came up with a idea about religion. My reasoning is that if we do secessfully create an artificial intelligence that lives inside a computer then it would be proof for a god because we could be the programs in gods computer and not even know it. The world could be a test and the creator(s) of the test will delete the programs that didn't perform will and will save the smarter ones. Physics would just be a creation of the programmer(g so there would be no way to do experiments to prove that there was something out there. Our entire sience could be programmed in which would solve the whole second law of thermodynamics problem. Think of being the scientist that creates the first artificial life form in a computer. You could give it any reality you wanted, any senses, even change its perception of time. Would you make a perfect world for it?
I know I wouldn't. Programs that were smarter would be saved. What ones are smarter? For me that would the ones that figured out that I had made them. That looked back out of the screen and knew I was watching. Programs that didn't perform as will would be deleted. Why save the programs? So that you can redo the simulation with only the smart ones. Maybe see if they could make their own artificial life. Or maybe the scientist would try to uplift them into his would using robots for their bodies. If you were this scientist wouldn't you start to wonder if maybe you were just a program in gods computer?
currently we're are actually getting kinda close to making artificial life.
http://www.permutationcity.co.uk/alife/alife.html
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_life
PS. if you want to reply please don't give me any chinese room experiment bullshit.
-for the overmind.
The Egyptians,Hittites, Assyrians, Babylonians and Sumerians pre-date Christianity by 1000's of years and its also funny to notice how similar their creation myths are which tells me they have a common ancestor? Atlantis? IMO, the bible is just a copy of older scripture and Jesus was just someone who knew how to inspire people and at the time it might have been the best thing but not now imo. I am sorry I just have no faith in words written by various people with various agenda's and the fact organized religion wants 10% of your income also says a lot. So many different civilizations and probably over a million different religions then I am starting to see a pattern and that pattern is mans want for: control, answers on mortality and purpose of existence which drives us to create our own visions of the eternal?
{(RIP)} SWG
2. Those "christains" worship 'Christ' as G, instead of G; thereby breaking the first and foremost First Commandment.
Christianity as a sect of decadent Judasm. By 27-33ad (Yeshua's crucifiction) Israel/Judea had been in decline for centuries (Israel [northern jew tribes/ Moshe's descendent priesthood] having turned their back on G and his Commandments and worshiped baal and astoreth [Isaiah 1:4-7, Micah 3:11-12, Amos 8:1-3] and having lost G's protection were carried away into captivity to Assyria in 722bc by Sargon 2; Judah [southern jew tribes, Aaron's descendent priests] by 589bc was similarly carried away into captivity by Babylon's Nebuchadrezzar 2 and Yerushalayim sacked temple destroyed. These captivities were directly due to the jews turning their back on G and stoping following His Laws.
Even at the time of Yeshua all the jews wanted was someone to get the romans out of their country and removal of the corrupt saduce & pharace that had been leading the country into ruin for the last 700 yrs. They narced Yeshua to the romans to get Him executed because they feared his magic (raised the dead, walked on water, transmuted and summoned substances, healed untreatable illnesses, possed amazing knowledge of scripture, ect.)
After the resurection (His second coming) All his Teachings were suppressed, [b]especially the teachings between the resurection and ascendency[/b] . And the jew-priest/politicians saught to kill His folowers since they would not submit to their scam-talmud/kabbalah.
For 300 years the romans and jews murdered most all the Desciples and folowers of Christ, taking great sport in their crucifictions and being fed to wild animals in the coliseum. And since rome was founded and maintained through murder/slavery and sexual perversion (sex with slaves/children/animals/corpses) when those outlying slave territories rebelled and turned on rome the apolo worshiping constentine scamed the troops claiming they were blessed by the christain G, and they were to kill other romans to help secure his unifying the empire (that still kept the slavery/murder/perversions!!) Amazing, the christain G to support rome through military force but not Israel/Jerusalem !!
Over the next 100 years they (roman emperior and 'christain' bishops that would play ball) conspired to fabricate their own bible, since the Return of Christ STILL had not happened, so they would provide the ignorant masses something (idol) they could worship and justify their 'faith' on... the nt. Most of the authors of the nt 'books' were unknown and since much of early christanity had to be practised in secret (fear of getting narced by jews or discovered by romans resulting in execution [the early christains would not bow down and offer sacrifice to the roman gods [that they stole from the greeks and renamed, like they stole the christain religion from Jerusalem and even renamed the Messiah {Y'shua<<Yod,tse-Re,Shin, Shureq,Ayin,Hey>>/aramaic--iesous/greek-- iesu/latin-- jesus/english, if one ignores the mistranslations through three later languages His name Y'shua translates to Joshua, NOT jesus, might want to get the Name of one's savior right!}])
This earliest codex-nt started with a single gospel (that began with the record according to John) and later split into four books/memoirs and further split Luke into Luke and Acts. fyi Marc, Luke and saul were not even desciples of Christ, they came along 10 to 15 YEARS after the resurection. All their testimony is 2nd and 3rd person hersay [or just made up like in saul's letters] they did not directly witness ANY of what later 'christains' would accept as on the same level of authority as the writings of Moshe and Isaiah; at least those prophits could demonstrate their Authority was backed-up with demonstrated Miracles.
Christains get away with their nt abridged to the jew old testament (ot) due to the fact for the last 2000 years or so there have been NO further prophets and NO return of Christ yet. But if one knows anything about Lucifer, they know exactly what the catholic church worships, with their idols, removal of G, even rewriting of the Commandments (removing the idols and sabboth commandments and later just tossing out all the commandments and in their place scribing their own creeds and commandments.) For thousands of years the catholic church has accumulated wealth, appointed thrones to rule over nations and misdirected mankind from worshiping G by having people worship relics/saints/jesus/mary even letting sinners have their sins forgiven if they pony up $ (indulgences.) Even today for the last thousand years the church has been full of pedophiles and instead of removing those degenerates the church protects them and moves them from parish to parish letting them keep on molesting children, even going to the point of declairing bankruptcy to protect the parish assets from civil litigation.
Wow....lots of errors in that statment.
The first part of the Bible was written during times of turmoil and strive. The first five books of the Bible was written while Moses was in a nomadic state hoping that tomorrow will be the day he will come into the promise land that God told him about. They lived off of water and manna (a substance that was either given to them by God or a pseudo-soy plant substance). There was hardly any warlike winning hebrews during that time.
The next two books of Joshua and Judges was written during a state of civil war. The Hewbrew people found their homeland but then they started to fight among themselves. The 12 tribes of Judea fought and killed each other. The first time since the formation of the Hebrew people. The book of Judges was about people who rose up among the ashes of defeat to help maintain a State of existance within Israel.
Let's fast forward to the new testament.
The New Testament was written in secrecy and the people who read those early books (scrolls) did so in secrecy. If they were caught, they had no chance of survival. Before 80 AD, the Jewish authorities would have them killed for Blaspehemy and after 80 AD the Roman Consulant had them killed due to heresy. The Roman courts declared that worshiping this Jesus and not the Ceasor was a violation against the Empire. Thus, such an infraction against the state of Rome required execution. Whether you were a citizen or not.
Christians were subjected to torture, devoured by animals in gladiator arenas, and Nero used their bodies as torches on posts during his late night banquets. All of this happened because the early christians read and practiced what the scrolls of the new testament had said.
It was until 300 years later when Christianity became the Empire's national religion. By then, three different forms of the Bible had already been form; so the issue that the Bible was written during their glorious battles is far from the truth. Also, the reason why you are able to read what I am writing to you today is because when Christianity became recognized as the State Religion, many Priests and Bishops risked their lives to preach among the Goths and other Germanic Tribes.
When those Germanic Tribes sacked Rome about a hundred years later, everyone was pretty much killed but the Christians. It was because the Christians practiced what Christ preached. They fed the barbarians when they were hungry, the clothed them, and they ministered to them. It was because of the Barbarians saving the monestaries from destruction that kept the monks continuing to write books and keeping the written art alive.
There was only four books written in the Old Testament during Israel's rise to fame, glory, and power. Every other book in the Old Testament was written during turmoil and torment. 100% of every book written in the New testament was written amongst prosecution and the fear of death. Even the last book of the Bible was written by an Apostle who was exiled to an island to live the rest of his life by himself. The island was his prison.
BTW...the Bible is not a 100% Christian Bible. It is 50/50 Jewish and Christian. The Old Testament is purely from the Ancient Hebrew text,
The oldest book in the Bible is well over five thousand years old. Far older than any Hittite, Assyrian, or Babylonian text. You really need to study on the Bible before making accusations against it.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
I tend to believe in faith first and all the particulars of practice later. It's easy to get caught up in going to church or praying 5 times a day or wearing certain clothes or not eating certain foods and to believe that this is the substance of religion, when, to my mind, the substance of religion is you seek God and he finds you, and everything after that falls into place. I came to this conclusion after a lot of seeking in which I put getting the practice right at the expense of looking for God.
In short, I believe what I do because of direct experience. I wouldn't recommend my particular faith to anyone. I'd recommend going out and hunting for God for yourself.
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This is where I draw the line: __________________.
Wow....lots of errors in that statment.
The first part of the Bible was written during times of turmoil and strive. The first five books of the Bible was written while Moses was in a nomadic state hoping that tomorrow will be the day he will come into the promise land that God told him about. They lived off of water and manna (a substance that was either given to them by God or a pseudo-soy plant substance). There was hardly any warlike winning hebrews during that time.
The next two books of Joshua and Judges was written during a state of civil war. The Hewbrew people found their homeland but then they started to fight among themselves. The 12 tribes of Judea fought and killed each other. The first time since the formation of the Hebrew people. The book of Judges was about people who rose up among the ashes of defeat to help maintain a State of existance within Israel.
Let's fast forward to the new testament.
The New Testament was written in secrecy and the people who read those early books (scrolls) did so in secrecy. If they were caught, they had no chance of survival. Before 80 AD, the Jewish authorities would have them killed for Blaspehemy and after 80 AD the Roman Consulant had them killed due to heresy. The Roman courts declared that worshiping this Jesus and not the Ceasor was a violation against the Empire. Thus, such an infraction against the state of Rome required execution. Whether you were a citizen or not.
Christians were subjected to torture, devoured by animals in gladiator arenas, and Nero used their bodies as torches on posts during his late night banquets. All of this happened because the early christians read and practiced what the scrolls of the new testament had said.
It was until 300 years later when Christianity became the Empire's national religion. By then, three different forms of the Bible had already been form; so the issue that the Bible was written during their glorious battles is far from the truth. Also, the reason why you are able to read what I am writing to you today is because when Christianity became recognized as the State Religion, many Priests and Bishops risked their lives to preach among the Goths and other Germanic Tribes.
When those Germanic Tribes sacked Rome about a hundred years later, everyone was pretty much killed but the Christians. It was because the Christians practiced what Christ preached. They fed the barbarians when they were hungry, the clothed them, and they ministered to them. It was because of the Barbarians saving the monestaries from destruction that kept the monks continuing to write books and keeping the written art alive.
There was only four books written in the Old Testament during Israel's rise to fame, glory, and power. Every other book in the Old Testament was written during turmoil and torment. 100% of every book written in the New testament was written amongst prosecution and the fear of death. Even the last book of the Bible was written by an Apostle who was exiled to an island to live the rest of his life by himself. The island was his prison.
BTW...the Bible is not a 100% Christian Bible. It is 50/50 Jewish and Christian. The Old Testament is purely from the Ancient Hebrew text,
The oldest book in the Bible is well over five thousand years old. Far older than any Hittite, Assyrian, or Babylonian text. You really need to study on the Bible before making accusations against it.
Well for starters I don't believe the bible to be factually accurate and they couldn't even get stuff like what Pharoh was ruling Egypt when Moses lived there. The bible says Ramses the great but in fact no records during his reign show any mention of the biblical plagues and death of the first born. The one Moses they did find records of lived during a completely different pharoh's reign and only the bible mentions the supposed acts of god. Here is a list of biblical writings and the date they were written: www.davnet.org/kevin/articles/bible_dates.htmlNow here is some words written not by me but someone on another forum I agree with which correlates to the list I posted a link to:
www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread275331/pg1
Listen to what Marduk writes as he knows a lot about this topic.
{(RIP)} SWG
to DrDeth:
Like the heaven that was communist Russia?
Heres a question
Is religion the opium of the masses or the instigator of wars? you can't really have it both ways
Are people inherently calm and religion riles them up or are people inherently violent and religion calms them down?
If you people belive in freedom of speech then why attack religion. People are always going to have wars. Wars are what make humanity great. Almost all the technology your using was developed by the military including that computer(made to calculate missile trajectories)
Another Question isn't it better for everyone including the "Sheep" if they stay in the pen?
-for the overmind.
The thing that confuses me a lot and I just don't understand is in parts of the bible it says you should beat to death all bad children or it's ok to sell your daughter into slavery or rape or murder. When somebody points that out, somebody else always says well no you shouldn't read that part read all the parts where it says I love everybody. And some people may simply just ignore it. What do you do? Simply not pay attention to the parts that tell you to rape and murder. Also heard somebody say well the Ten Commandments say Thou shall not kill. Well! when you think about more people have died because of religion then anything else, easily! So I guess it depends who's being killed and who's doing the killing? Or do you ignore it and simply find the alternitive that fits best and seems most civil and relating to the time period and pick and choose? Which just doesn't seem fair at all. Or is the person some how misinterpreting it and it's somehow a metaphor or analogy or that person is reading out of context? All this just confuses me. . .
And that whole Noah's Ark story just seems a little crazy if you think about it. Seperating all the marsupials so they happen to end up on Australia. That story just seems a little crazy to me.
On Time? On Target? Never Quit?
Edit: *sigh*...I was starting to get myself confused between kill and murder.
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I'm agnostic myself, and sometimes I end up leaning one way or another.
I consider myself Agnostic, as I have a lot of trouble believing in Religion and God. However, I can't build up enough faith to say there is absolutely no possibility of there being a God.
Really, I'm not hardwired for faith in just about anyone or anything, so its no suprise I end up being Agnostic, which is basically the complete lack of faith.
We barely remember who or what came before this precious moment;
We are choosing to be here right now -Tool, Parabola
You are a shinning oasis in the middle of desert !!
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