The axe finally fell. It was only a matter of time, I suppose. And while many of you may try to spin this to make SOE look bad, apparently this wasn't really their doing. You see, SOE doesn't own Sigil. It doesn't own Sigil now and they won't own them tomorrow. But they do own Vanguard. What fate awaits that game? I don't know. Don't particularly care either.
But I do know that at approximately 4:30PM today, Sigil employees were told to meet outside. At which point they were terminated. On the spot. By whom? Doesn't seem to have been Brad McQuaid, if it was, nobody is talking. But that doesn't seem like something he'd do. But I suppose the executioner is irrelevant since most folks secretly want it to be SOE and it wasn't. As it stands, people were told to come back tomorrow to do their paperwork and some may get hired by SOE.
I contacted SOE since I'm not in the business of burning bridges or spinning news and they had this to say:
"...an announcement is forthcoming tomorrow."
Ahem... AHEM!!!
This is pretty damn big news buddy. Shouldn't this be in a thread all to itself?
One can speculate on any number of possible scenarios, however it all started with how Brad and his team presented the game. It was my impression as an old school fan of Verants that we would see remnants or methodology that made EQ one of the top MMO's. Naturally I wasn't expecting another EQ, however I thought for sure that the 'vision' and 'systemic' formula would be there to give Vanguard a new refreshing style to MMO's. To my utter disappointment Brad went with the demographics versus building a game with his signature style.
Perhaps in the next few days we can sift through shambles and see what might have been the root cause.
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The axe finally fell. It was only a matter of time, I suppose. And while many of you may try to spin this to make SOE look bad, apparently this wasn't really their doing. You see, SOE doesn't own Sigil. It doesn't own Sigil now and they won't own them tomorrow. But they do own Vanguard. What fate awaits that game? I don't know. Don't particularly care either.
But I do know that at approximately 4:30PM today, Sigil employees were told to meet outside. At which point they were terminated. On the spot. By whom? Doesn't seem to have been Brad McQuaid, if it was, nobody is talking. But that doesn't seem like something he'd do. But I suppose the executioner is irrelevant since most folks secretly want it to be SOE and it wasn't. As it stands, people were told to come back tomorrow to do their paperwork and some may get hired by SOE.
I contacted SOE since I'm not in the business of burning bridges or spinning news and they had this to say:
"...an announcement is forthcoming tomorrow."
Ahem... AHEM!!!
This is pretty damn big news buddy. Shouldn't this be in a thread all to itself?
I had no way to completely authenticate it, it comes from a very reliable source, however I didn't want to jump the gun.
The Old Timers Guild Laid back, not so serious, no drama. All about the fun!
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When they print the next Webster's dictionary, under the definition of 'ironic' I think this thread will be found as an example.
I said in one of my earlier posts "If a company screwed up, then they should be the ones to pay the price, not their customers." If this rumor is true then those poor, unfortunate workers at Sigil have done just that.
I hope they saw the writing on the wall better than many others have and were able to prepare for it.
O No sane company is going to simply fold up if they are at a point were they could release a game that is playable, even in a smaller then anticipated market. Something is better then nothing. You don't make money off of nothing.
And sometimes the decision is taken out of the hands of the 'sane company' when they screw up so many times and so badly that they shoot themselves in the foot with a 12-gauge shotgun
I think May 15th is going to be a very interesting day for folks like Fariic1, Teala and Healz4u.
I know I'll be watching these Forums.
It's called a rumor.
Don't take something out of context. That was written about the release. I don't really like when some one tries to be smart by taking a bit of writing and connecting it to something that doesn't relate. It makes me feel dirty and used. It's also insulting.
Post the link a few more times. I don't think anyone got it yet, and please try not to wet yourself.
Originally posted by fariic1 Originally posted by Alienovrlord Originally posted by fariic1 O No sane company is going to simply fold up if they are at a point were they could release a game that is playable, even in a smaller then anticipated market. Something is better then nothing. You don't make money off of nothing.
And sometimes the decision is taken out of the hands of the 'sane company' when they screw up so many times and so badly that they shoot themselves in the foot with a 12-gauge shotgun http://www.f13.net/ I think May 15th is going to be a very interesting day for folks like Fariic1, Teala and Healz4u. I know I'll be watching these Forums.
It's called a rumor. Don't take something out of context. That was written about the release. I don't really like when some one tries to be smart by taking a bit of writing and connecting it to something that doesn't relate. It makes me feel dirty and used. It's also insulting. Post the link a few more times. I don't think anyone got it yet, and please try not to wet yourself.
Actually, if Schild posted it as front page news, you can pretty much count on it. He's got the connections for one, and for two, unlike some sites, he won't post something just to get hits.
Don't take something out of context. That was written about the release. I don't really like when some one tries to be smart by taking a bit of writing and connecting it to something that doesn't relate. It makes me feel dirty and used. It's also insulting.
It ALL goes back to the initial release. That has been my point and the point of others in this thread.
It all goes back to whether or not a company wants to release a stable game or release a game that is broken. All of this started with Vanguard's release, this is just the latest continuation of that train wreck.
Sorry if you feel dirty, maybe if you spent less time defending garbage business practices you might feel clean.
SOE just made room on thier corporate shelf for Vanguard. It will sit between MxO and SWG. Vanguard is not SOE's new flagship title so it will never get the attention they give to thier EQ1/EQ2 franchise. SOE has the station pass and adds in those numbers when talking about # of people playing one of thier games. Even with padded numbers Vanguard will never reach 500k subs.
MxO, I never played but and thats the only SOE MMO that I guess I can say - I have never played... Sadly, after looking at video's - It has some good potential if given some resources instead of leaving it sitting without any new content since forever - give that game some of the sigil employee's and push out a expansion. Free Trial too.
O No sane company is going to simply fold up if they are at a point were they could release a game that is playable, even in a smaller then anticipated market. Something is better then nothing. You don't make money off of nothing.
And sometimes the decision is taken out of the hands of the 'sane company' when they screw up so many times and so badly that they shoot themselves in the foot with a 12-gauge shotgun
I think May 15th is going to be a very interesting day for folks like Fariic1, Teala and Healz4u.
I know I'll be watching these Forums.
It's called a rumor.
Don't take something out of context. That was written about the release. I don't really like when some one tries to be smart by taking a bit of writing and connecting it to something that doesn't relate. It makes me feel dirty and used. It's also insulting.
Post the link a few more times. I don't think anyone got it yet, and please try not to wet yourself.
I sincerly think that some people will be curled up clutching their Super Deluxe copy of Vanguard and screaming over and over again that it isn't dead in the water even as the men in white come and take them away.
I was a fan and I admire a little dedication to "your" game of choice but a few of you have stuck with the game longer than Brad himself, if the blogs are to believed? Oh yeah it's all false info. They just want to harm the precious.
It's not the end of the world. Go out and get some fresh air and a beer. Get good and drunk and rant about what a wanker Brad is to make yourself feel better and then go to the PC store and get something else.
Originally posted by fariic1 What you're saying is that if a situation should arise that is completely outt of the develpers hands;
It seems the details that we're getting today would indicate that this sorry disaster was FAR from bring 'completely outt of the develpers hands'. It sounds like things were being mismanaged a long time before release.
And yet most other people on these boards were able to recognize Brad M for his incompetence rather than buying into his transparent spin and lame excuses.
I'm sure some will insist that these are just more rumors, but considering the number of different sources and common theme running through them, it's only a matter of time before even the most hardcore Vanbois won't be able to deny the tanks are rolling into Bagdad.
Originally posted by fariic1
Most companies don't run out of money.
Sigil itself is an up and coming company itself, will learn from VG and make sure they are in a good shape to continue developement if at all possible.
Most company don't run out of money because they're being managed CORRECTLY,
Learn from Vanguard? If there is any justice Sigil will go up in flames, SOE will hire back the poor unfortunate workers who toiled on the game and Brad M and the rest of the Sigil management will never have another development company touch them with a ten foot pole.
That's a pretty shitty way to go out. "Thanks for wasting the gas, and energy, to come to work today, now fuck off, and don't come back."
Hey.. at least they got the Angry Mob together. They should have trashed the place.
Shayde - SWG (dead) Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled - Some deluded SWG fanboi who pities me. I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too. 09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
I think the majority of the beta testers already knew this was going to happen. And all you VSOH fans who kept hoping it would improve: keep paying and playing! they need the money to continue completing their "Pay for Beta" game.
Done and Done. Really, who didn't see this coming from a mile away? The moment Brad went crawling back to $OE (after being DUMPED by M$), it was doomed. DOOOOOOOOOOMED!!!!
There are still better games to look forward to, so don't cry too hard. Just cancel your account now and go play something else till the meantime, or save up your money for when the GOOD MMO's start coming out soon.
I'll put up 500 bucks saying VG will never hit 500k.
We'll see.
OK 5000.. but that's the most I'll bet. Well Shayde, I think you have won the bet.
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
Originally posted by Dracus Originally posted by Shayde Originally posted by Teala Originally posted by Shayde I'll put up 500 bucks saying VG will never hit 500k.
We'll see. OK 5000.. but that's the most I'll bet. Well Shayde, I think you have won the bet. I guess that means he's buying then.
I love reading the post from people that claim this game is dead. It isn't dead - not yet. It is actually improving. Yes. It is improving. This coming from someone that gave this game a 3 out of 10 in my review. LOL! My 6 month review will be due soon and I'll be once again telling it like it is to those of you who wish to read it. I was brutally honest in my first Vanguard review and I can promise you I'll be just as honest this go around. To those of you that keep BS'n on this forum about how bad Vanguard is and preaching gloom and doom can keep right on doing what you're doing. Anyone that comes on here and reads your BS post and believes it is a real shame. Despite Vanguards rocky last few months I can attest that it is improving and it has gotten better. As I have said time and time again, Vanguard was released 1 year(not 3 months and not 6 months) to early and slowly but surely it is getting better. In 6 to 7 more months this game is going to be one of the best there is. I remember people saying SWG was going to crash and burn when it first launched and I was there saying just the oposite and it did remain a good game until the NGE killed it. SWG turned into a great game pre-NGE. To bad SOE mucked it up! Well I am here to tell you that I predict that Vanguard will be here a year from now and it will be way, way better than it was at launch. Will it die? LMAO! No. In fact I am here to say that I think it will have 200k to 300k subscribers by June of next year. No those are not WoW's numbers but they are respectable and in 2 years time Vangaurd will no doubt be pushing 500k. Yes...500k! You heard it here first from one of Vanguards most harshest critics.
There is only one problem with your post though.
For some Odd reason you forgot to factor in the Biggest three words of all into your Equation.
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Ahem... AHEM!!!
This is pretty damn big news buddy. Shouldn't this be in a thread all to itself?
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Perhaps in the next few days we can sift through shambles and see what might have been the root cause.
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All about the fun!
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Ahem... AHEM!!!
This is pretty damn big news buddy. Shouldn't this be in a thread all to itself?
I had no way to completely authenticate it, it comes from a very reliable source, however I didn't want to jump the gun.The Old Timers Guild
Laid back, not so serious, no drama.
All about the fun!
www.oldtimersguild.com
An opinion should be the result of thought, not a substitute for it. - Jef Mallett
Already done by Kenze.
http://mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/thread/129982
When they print the next Webster's dictionary, under the definition of 'ironic' I think this thread will be found as an example.
I said in one of my earlier posts "If a company screwed up, then they should be the ones to pay the price, not their customers." If this rumor is true then those poor, unfortunate workers at Sigil have done just that.
I hope they saw the writing on the wall better than many others have and were able to prepare for it.
http://www.f13.net/
The Old Timers Guild
Laid back, not so serious, no drama.
All about the fun!
www.oldtimersguild.com
An opinion should be the result of thought, not a substitute for it. - Jef Mallett
And sometimes the decision is taken out of the hands of the 'sane company' when they screw up so many times and so badly that they shoot themselves in the foot with a 12-gauge shotgun
http://www.f13.net/
I think May 15th is going to be a very interesting day for folks like Fariic1, Teala and Healz4u.
I know I'll be watching these Forums.
It's called a rumor.
Don't take something out of context. That was written about the release. I don't really like when some one tries to be smart by taking a bit of writing and connecting it to something that doesn't relate. It makes me feel dirty and used. It's also insulting.
Post the link a few more times. I don't think anyone got it yet, and please try not to wet yourself.
That's a pretty shitty way to go out.
"Thanks for wasting the gas, and energy, to come to work today, now fuck off, and don't come back."
And sometimes the decision is taken out of the hands of the 'sane company' when they screw up so many times and so badly that they shoot themselves in the foot with a 12-gauge shotgun
http://www.f13.net/
I think May 15th is going to be a very interesting day for folks like Fariic1, Teala and Healz4u.
I know I'll be watching these Forums.
It's called a rumor.
Don't take something out of context. That was written about the release. I don't really like when some one tries to be smart by taking a bit of writing and connecting it to something that doesn't relate. It makes me feel dirty and used. It's also insulting.
Post the link a few more times. I don't think anyone got it yet, and please try not to wet yourself.
Actually, if Schild posted it as front page news, you can pretty much count on it. He's got the connections for one, and for two, unlike some sites, he won't post something just to get hits.
It ALL goes back to the initial release. That has been my point and the point of others in this thread.
It all goes back to whether or not a company wants to release a stable game or release a game that is broken. All of this started with Vanguard's release, this is just the latest continuation of that train wreck.
Sorry if you feel dirty, maybe if you spent less time defending garbage business practices you might feel clean.
"LMAO! Vanguard is not dead."
So...when is it you think they will hit 500k subs again? Things look like they are really going well over there.
SOE just made room on thier corporate shelf for Vanguard. It will sit between MxO and SWG. Vanguard is not SOE's new flagship title so it will never get the attention they give to thier EQ1/EQ2 franchise. SOE has the station pass and adds in those numbers when talking about # of people playing one of thier games. Even with padded numbers Vanguard will never reach 500k subs.
And sometimes the decision is taken out of the hands of the 'sane company' when they screw up so many times and so badly that they shoot themselves in the foot with a 12-gauge shotgun
http://www.f13.net/
I think May 15th is going to be a very interesting day for folks like Fariic1, Teala and Healz4u.
I know I'll be watching these Forums.
It's called a rumor.
Don't take something out of context. That was written about the release. I don't really like when some one tries to be smart by taking a bit of writing and connecting it to something that doesn't relate. It makes me feel dirty and used. It's also insulting.
Post the link a few more times. I don't think anyone got it yet, and please try not to wet yourself.
I sincerly think that some people will be curled up clutching their Super Deluxe copy of Vanguard and screaming over and over again that it isn't dead in the water even as the men in white come and take them away.
I was a fan and I admire a little dedication to "your" game of choice but a few of you have stuck with the game longer than Brad himself, if the blogs are to believed? Oh yeah it's all false info. They just want to harm the precious.
It's not the end of the world. Go out and get some fresh air and a beer. Get good and drunk and rant about what a wanker Brad is to make yourself feel better and then go to the PC store and get something else.
It will be OK......
It seems the details that we're getting today would indicate that this sorry disaster was FAR from bring 'completely outt of the develpers hands'. It sounds like things were being mismanaged a long time before release.
And yet most other people on these boards were able to recognize Brad M for his incompetence rather than buying into his transparent spin and lame excuses.
I'm sure some will insist that these are just more rumors, but considering the number of different sources and common theme running through them, it's only a matter of time before even the most hardcore Vanbois won't be able to deny the tanks are rolling into Bagdad.
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
HAHAHAHAHA!!
LOLOLOLOOL!!!!!
/sigh that felt good.
I think the majority of the beta testers already knew this was going to happen. And all you VSOH fans who kept hoping it would improve: keep paying and playing! they need the money to continue completing their "Pay for Beta" game.
Done and Done. Really, who didn't see this coming from a mile away? The moment Brad went crawling back to $OE (after being DUMPED by M$), it was doomed. DOOOOOOOOOOMED!!!!
There are still better games to look forward to, so don't cry too hard. Just cancel your account now and go play something else till the meantime, or save up your money for when the GOOD MMO's start coming out soon.
We'll see.
OK 5000.. but that's the most I'll bet. Well Shayde, I think you have won the bet.And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
OK 5000.. but that's the most I'll bet.
Well Shayde, I think you have won the bet.
I guess that means he's buying then.
For some Odd reason you forgot to factor in the Biggest three words of all into your Equation.
Age Of Conan....................
Waiting for: Archeage, Darkfall 2.0, and Planetside 2.
R.I.P Shadowbane; The best MMORPG I've ever played...
Check out my amateur gaming blog at: Thegamingbible.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kuVsR2WkPo
LOL funny how they tried to spark excitement for the game and all it did was create an outlet for people to clown.