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I can't take DAOC any more

ArawonArawon Member Posts: 1,108
in Dark Age of Camelot

I am a long term DAOC player(just a glutton for punishment) who has quit and returned DAOC too many times.And it is about to  happen again . I returned when they finally made my old archer characters viable, only to see them planned for nerffing on Pendragon. So I said ok i'll hang in ther eand try a Heretic ...the class my wife plays. Would you believe they just announced a M A J O R nerf to the class halving the effectiveness to the only spell that would cause people to consider them in a group !!

 

Avoid Mythic like the plague.(translation = WAR)

 

Any help in finding a stand in game till AOC would be appreciated.

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  • HensenLirosHensenLiros Member Posts: 461

    Man you can't just start hating Mythic just because your class got nerfed. That's part of mmos, if you hate getting nerfed so much then go play single player games. I too played DAOC for a while, and got nerfed several times, even JUST after finishing a fotm character. It's something you have to get used to. But seriously avoiding WAR because of Mythic's nerfs is crazyness.

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  • ZindaihasZindaihas Member UncommonPosts: 3,662
    You're in the wrong forum.  This is development, not complaining.

  • BigfootBigfoot Member Posts: 364
    I quit 2 months ago, and I just read the patch notes.  I haven't gotten to experience the archer love, but people were hating it because archers were zerging like crazy because of it. 



    That Heretic nerf is just stupid IMO.  Like Heretics were even close to being OPed in the first place..

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    Translation: Mythic balanced the character class and fixed PvP between them.
  • khang7khang7 Member Posts: 37
    Originally posted by HensenLiros


    Man you can't just start hating Mythic just because your class got nerfed. That's part of mmos, if you hate getting nerfed so much then go play single player games. I too played DAOC for a while, and got nerfed several times, even JUST after finishing a fotm character. It's something you have to get used to. But seriously avoiding WAR because of Mythic's nerfs is crazyness.
    + 1 lol, adapt to it or quit.

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  • ArawonArawon Member Posts: 1,108

    You save your money up...you plan on the exact features for that brand new car...you drive it home and really fall in love with your wonderfull new car. It rides like a dream..has a great sound system...all the girls are impressed ..and then your car dealers sends some of his people out  to your house and removes one of the tires and repaints it  pink.It's clear the dealer did it..and all the dealer says is we have made other car owners feel better now that your car is equal to theirs.And you response should be...."well all car dealers do it...  I'll have  to get used to it."     NOT HARDLY.

     

     

  • khanstructkhanstruct Member UncommonPosts: 756

    Thats not exactly a great metaphor. A nice car would cost more than, say a rusty 1978 Pinto. The character's all cost the same.

    It'd actually be more like you buy a car that they unknowingly built an illegal nitro-system into. They discover this, come over and remove the illegal system and you get mad.


  • WerppaWerppa Member Posts: 211
    I think that heretic nerf is stupid, yes. I won't quit playing my tic because of that though. And really, I'm not taken to groups solely because of monster rezz. Tics can do loads of dmg with their uninterruptable spell which is only interruptable in melee. Archer nerf didn't change them dramatically. Archers can still one shot casters and kill tanks too. They just did the thing that after you do a crit shot, the target takes less damage from power/crit shots for 10 seconds which is reasonable imo. They also do a little bit less damage (you can hardly notice it) but now they also won't miss so often.

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  • gnomexxxgnomexxx Member Posts: 2,920
    Instead of quitting why don't you let Mythic know about your problem with the nerfing of your character.  From what I've seen they are more than open to player feedback and fixing things that they see wrong that they've done. 



    You've got to understand, they have so many danged classes (which is something that gives the game character really) that balancing is a constant concern for them.  They're doing their best I'm sure.  Just let them know your problem and see how they handle it.  Just quitting doesn't let them know anything. 

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  • bballermc333bballermc333 Member Posts: 283
    For every class getting nerfed another class is unnerfed. I dont play currently but it sounds like you are using a dominant class that pwns all and they need to nerf it some.

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  • ArawonArawon Member Posts: 1,108
    Here's why I react so strongly to nerfing.As a player I can only minimally affect my character with clothing and spec and realm ranks.Mythic has had DAOC for over 5 years. Mythic determines the capabilitys of a class...they test and acess those capabilitys vs all the other classes they have also created. They test the class. Only when they are satisfied with the class does the class see the light of day. The player can only react to the class and capabilitys Mythic has allowed them to consider. The player says "I will devote my time and money to develope a class Mythic has determined".The player advances  his character..shapes it within the peramaters Mythic has allowed...spends signifigant moneys to equipp the character. He spends a lot of time learning how to play and not play the character.The player keeps the character and derives pleasure playing the character. Suddenly Mythic counteracts it's earlier judgement about the class....casts aside its earlier testing results.....and wheather the player likes it or not changes signifigantly the capabilitys of a class Mythic had created ,tested and lead players to believe was going to actually exist on into the future. AND Mythic expects the subscriber to just swallow these changes without reacting????  Sure, sometimes things need changing.No one is perfect but class changes should be RARE..SPECIAL...and AVOIDED whenever possible.Mythic clearly has a differnent attitude.One that to me suggest arrogance...lack of caring about  how changes will affect the paying customer.what I see even as DAOC slides into a truely insignifigant game....as captain of the Titanic  Mythic continues to ignore  the dammage the icebergs aka nerfs do ,and steams full speed ahead to the bottom(and a truely minimal subscriber base).
  • JetrpgJetrpg Member UncommonPosts: 2,347
    I agree that mythic nerfs way too hard .. its like something is a bit too strong.. then they "fix" it by making it too weak... thats bad and it is what they do over and over and over again.

    That being said, umm Archery still works totally fine (stronger than before) and tics are still a great class.



    But i feel you pain i feel your pain ... i was a warlock... i have a 50 lock quite high rr tooo i never even think to play him or to roll another (and make alts i make sooo many alts because the game is so easy to level in now)



    But i do fear this however, i can say i like mythic nerfs more often then blizzard nerfs.



    Still the recent hot nerf was wrong for valks they should have done it in a  different way.

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  • FugnudzFugnudz Member Posts: 480
    Originally posted by Arawon


    I am a long term DAOC player(just a glutton for punishment) who has quit and returned DAOC too many times.And it is about to  happen again . I returned when they finally made my old archer characters viable, only to see them planned for nerffing on Pendragon. So I said ok i'll hang in ther eand try a Heretic ...the class my wife plays. Would you believe they just announced a M A J O R nerf to the class halving the effectiveness to the only spell that would cause people to consider them in a group !!
     
    Avoid Mythic like the plague.(translation = WAR)
     
    Any help in finding a stand in game till AOC would be appreciated.



    Mythic is still nerfing their classes 6 years after the game's release and this is mostly because they have too many classes.  There is no need to take a druid type class and split it into three or four more distinct druid type classes.  When you do, you add more complexity than flavor and end up with four times the class balance issue for what is really just one role.

    Too many classes = nerf bat overtime

  • JetrpgJetrpg Member UncommonPosts: 2,347
    Originally posted by Fugnudz


    Mythic is still nerfing their classes 6 years after the game's release and this is mostly because they have too many classes.  There is no need to take a druid type class and split it into three or four more distinct druid type classes.  When you do, you add more complexity than flavor and end up with four times the class balance issue for what is really just one role.
    Too many classes = nerf bat overtime
    iS THIS RIGHT?



    Really tho, i think they are still nerfing them becuase they feel they are op ... WoW has 6 classes and non stop nerfs/ buffs them ... this must be because 6 classes is too many right?



    The fact that nerfs happen in daoc is no biggy , its the fact that they use a bat when they don't need to that is the problem. Why i think its poor management or balencing systems (structures) that hve not been addressed by the management.



    But at the same time i understand where game co.s come from lets say they decide nerf bats = bad and they nerf somethign ... it upsets people anyway because everyone want to be more powerful than less, yet in this case the class/ ability is still overpowered (the nerf was not enough), what does the Co. do, nerf it again (because it needs it) , or just let it be a but op. If they do nerf is again (two patches in a row) then people are going to get more mad even if its not a nerf bat.

    Still Id say the classes / pvp is more balanced then wow is thast what 41-44 classes verses 6 .... Make your own judgements.

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  • daeandordaeandor Member UncommonPosts: 2,695
    Nerfs are pretty much the norm in games which evolve like mmorpg's.  Sadly you just have to ride through most of them.  I have always had a problem playing expansion classes with DAOC.  In fact, the last expansion class I played past 24 was a savage.  My advice, stick to the "classic" classes and you will not be disappointed.  Well, except stealth classes, but stealth classes in DAOC are like their own mini-game, and I've never found the stealth community all that great.
  • ShazzelShazzel Member Posts: 472
    I hear paragraphs are good and daoc is bad. +1



    PS. This game has NEVER been worth paying for.
  • Stith16Stith16 Member Posts: 113
    Originally posted by Shazzel

    I hear paragraphs are good and daoc is bad. +1



    PS. This game has NEVER been worth paying for.
    rofl, gonna back that up?

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  • JulianDracosJulianDracos Member UncommonPosts: 1,528
    Originally posted by Stith16

    Originally posted by Shazzel

    I hear paragraphs are good and daoc is bad. +1



    PS. This game has NEVER been worth paying for.
    rofl, gonna back that up?

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  • lorndarkenlorndarken Member Posts: 279
    well to be fair, i have a lvl 50 vampiir  in daoc, and they nerfed the heck out of that charecter. i go out in rvr and get killed pretty damn easy.  thats why i left... as for most mmorpgs, the reason why they nerf is because of player damand. you make a class, make it uber and before you know it they gimp the heck out of you.
  • JulianDracosJulianDracos Member UncommonPosts: 1,528
    The onyl nerf to Vamps was the HoT.  It was too much and the power cost was not adjusted down.  It has more an an affect on PvE than RvR.  If you are having problems in RvR then adjust your spec or group with a healer.  I never had a great HoT so it had little impact for RvR on my vamp. 
  • daeandordaeandor Member UncommonPosts: 2,695
    Originally posted by JulianDracos

    The onyl nerf to Vamps was the HoT.  It was too much and the power cost was not adjusted down.  It has more an an affect on PvE than RvR.  If you are having problems in RvR then adjust your spec or group with a healer.  I never had a great HoT so it had little impact for RvR on my vamp. 
    Exactly, most of the vamps I know have actually gotten better post HoT nerf because they adapted their spec and gained more utility than the traditional SM / Pierce Vamp.
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