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thinking of trying soon- advice for new pvpers?
vajuras
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I'm anxious to try a real PvP game whereas there is risk vs reward. EvE is pretty much the only western MMO that has this that's current. I'm not too thrilled about their time based skill system I do like the flexibility to grind my skills
so, when can I start pvp or do I have to wait 6 months, grrr thats not really an option for me. Can I grind up some ISK fast and get in there and start ripping newbs apart?
Dont want any haters posting please just looking for some tuts to get me going. whats the best skills / faction to pick. just wanna jump in and start pwning.
not worried about cheating devs I'd much favor a crooked Dev that's fully immersed in their own work over a lazy developer that does not care about PvP at all (eyeballing City of Heroes broken pvp)
so please dont toss the salt on this newbie I'm willing to research any links, etc beofre I sub in a few days
to be specific-
1) what starting attributes to choose for going to War?
2) how long will I have to carry/haul cargo before I get to do real pvp?
3) How long will it take me to grind up a ship that I will have a decent fighting chance with? What is the name of this ship?
4) What corps should I look into I will need the help of others to begin my plans for universal dominance (no- not BoB wanna join an underdog thats gonna take it to them or get involved in some other smaller skirmishes)
Comments
1) Make sure you have high Perception and Willpower attributes, they're the two most used for fighting skills. Next on the list is Intelligence, then Memory and then finally Charisma. As for race, if you're going to PvP it doesn't really matter the starting skills of your race, since you can train whatever you want later, so what really matters are the attributes. I would suggest Khanid (subrace in Amarr) or Brutor (subrace in Minmatar) to start off.
2) You can get into real PvP almost immediately flying tacklers, you just have to find a corp willing to take you on. Just be prepared to die a lot. You can jump straight into doing missions for money while you train up your skills, so you actually never have to become a miner or industrialist.
3) The new starting skills give you around 800k skill points, which is enough to get straight into the frigate class at a pretty high level if you've picked a military career path. Depending on your race you could probably get straight into the highest tier frigate available right off the bat, only thing that might hold you back is training for the ability to fit mods.
4) You'll find loads of recruitment posts on the eve forums, and you will find some accepting noobs. However, I would just spend maybe 1-2 weeks just getting to know the game's mechanics.
Join BoD, ASAP?
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
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1. Starting atribute wise id say all of them exept the social one as you will need more than just the gun and ship based skills. Skills such as electronics for example will b very usefull as it increases the ammount of stuff you can fit ont your ship module wise. When making your Avitar try to ballance its atributes as much as possable. Also if you can get a skills primary and secondry atribute to 21 you will train a level 1 skill from 4-5 in a little over 4 days. If however the atributes are at say 19 or less it will take over 5 days.
2. Well it depends you can start to PvP in a frigate injust a few days if you chose your skills carefully but if you want to PvP in say a battlecruiser or a battleship then it can take a few months if you want to PvP well.
3. Wel i advise you try courier missions as they are missions that take littletime to finish and usually just require a shuttle to do it in. Collect the rewards sell them and when you get beteen 15-17 thousand loyaltie points you will get offered an level 3 implant that sells pretty well. If you join a corp the corp will usually provide you with a ship so if you join the right corp it shouldnt take too long to get a basic or nice ship. As to which ship they are all good in there own way its how you use them that counts.
4. There are 1000's of small corps out there so just go to the recruitment channel and see whats out there.
- Fighter Attributes in order: Perception, Will Power, Inteligence, Memory, Charisma.
2. Probably not at all. You should shoot the npc pirates for money if you plan to take good fighter skills.
3. Within few months you can get to assault ship and have enough skills to shoot new players. The older players will shoot you down for few years in the areas you hunt the new players (you are their new player).
4. Try to find some pvp corps academy and join it. They will teach you what you need and some help with new ships and stuff aswell. Most likely you wont be shooting bob in long long time but you never know.
ok, the best advice you will get is:
Keep your clone up to date!
and more importnat than never fly what you can not afford:
Always make sure you have enough ISK to replace your clone. Loosing a ship is hard but loosing months of skills is....
An so it begins
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"...and get in there and start ripping newbs apart."
To answer your Q, no.
The skills are time based, it takes time to learn them.
The ships and modules and weapons you can use are dependent on your skills, which means time.
Most people would agree it's a bad idea to get into a BS (Battleship) in PvP (at least solo, possibly small gang) in under 3 months.
Also, the SKILLZ, your decision making ability and knowledge of game mechanics and ships and mods takes time, this isnt some twitch-game where you can pwn by superior coordination.
Oh and choose Amarr, they are uber.
Unless you want to have been ENSLAVED (Mimatar)
or FRENCH (Gallente)
or just BUTT-UGLY and gimped for solo pvp (no spare midslots) (Caldari).
Unless you play for years, you will always be a n00b to someone else.
Do your best to meet some Devs, they play the game in player Alliances and some players have them on MSN.
Thanks to all my fellow warriors that replied
Btw, anyone remember the link to the PvP beginner tutorial that used to be on this site (and stickied?)
Age of Conan will have FFA plus spellborn, saga of ryzom, starport, etc you want me to keep going on? just because you might be afraid of a good fight doesn't mean the rest of us are. please dont troll im just here to ask questions not to debate PvP ethics lol
now to recall even City of Heroes has FFA zones what insanity are you babbling about lol
edit - nvm I see you got modded thank you Devs for keeping the forums clean
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
honestly, if you're looking for a game that DOESN'T have broken pvp, you're eyeing the wrong game.
if i'm wrong, then the game devs are wrong, because they've stated as much on numerous occasions. remember the pvp changes they've made recently, along with the need4speed/heat changes and a few others they're planning on implementing to try to unbreak some of the pvp crapiness. then consider they're also trying to figure out how to change warfare away from huge mob/lag warfare/crashing nodes/etc.
this game's pvp is broken more than a little, sorry.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
I just want to play a game with harsh death penalties (lose your ship, etc) and allows me to impact the game world (like build structures and occupy space). plus I dont want to have to grind levels anymore
EvE has everything im looking for. my friends already told me the pvp rocked so really just here for tuts cause his guild got owned by BoB and ceased to exist so I dont want any tips from him lol
just need opinions on how I can compete in PvP I have the feeling I'll be playing this game for a long time to come with my friends
edit- i probably should not have bashed CoX its a good game and has really helped establish the superhero MMO market I am jsut ready for a new experience
There really is no other game that have this kind of PvP, I have only once encountered BoB corp (and where friends with some in Xelas alliance) but however these BoB guys where pussies... attacked our corp while we where in war with a pirate corp (wich we btw suspected where BoB alts).
They attacked our 4-5 battleships with a carrier... among others... ofcourse we lost one battleship because of that but however that is how the game goes, you loose some and win some.
Personally I never really engaged in big battles only small skirmishes and those where quite fun like when we where 10 battleships in a group to punish pirates that was hunting our missionrunners (several corps together).
We got attacked by 10 battleships from the piratecorp Turbulence where we lost one battleship due to very unorganized group :-P
However, we had also ALOT of runs where you are only the hunted one because you are alone, and in a small ship with no chance whatsoever...
Like usually when I lost a ship it was either one hauler that I used to loot after missions, or I was semi-afk and did not check map and ran my battleship into a gatecamp where I had to face like 4 battleships or more.
Only very few times you where on equal terms... like one time where a pirate underestimated my ship, he tought I where npc hunting wich I was btw, once he locked me and warpscrambled me, I tought well was is it to loose ? so I sent everything I had at him, his shield went bye bye and some of his armor with it... he then quickly unlocked and warped away.
So yeah PvP is cool... however... to join EVE-Online and think you can fight BoB ... dream on, sorry it's just is not going to happen.
And no I don't like BoB, I don't respect them either and I know their achievment in the game is very tainted.
There are so many other corp that I have so much respect for even that I where fighting them, like Turbulent and Mafia... Pirates where often very honorable and nice people.
Edit:
I left EVE in February after the first encounter of cheating done by a Dev and CCP's favorism of BoB players.
Went to play WoW infact, and is currently killing people left and right ... :-P
my advice is to not play Eve. since it seems like your deadset to play Eve, my other set of advice is to not be cheated. Its not going to be easy, because the cards are stacked against you. Watch every transaction and what not, when you hit the 6 month mark and have about 500 mil + is when you start to get most vulnerable.
Be careful of contracts, and expect even your corpmates to cheat you....
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The game is dead not, this game is good we make it and Romania Tv give it 5 goat heads, this is good rating for game.
I toyed with the trial a few times, but never fully-committed to the game because of all the time it would take to become a good PvP'er in something more than a little newbie shit-boat. Getting past that alone and waiting the time to train the skills to PvP in something that looks cool is enough for one "EVE-newbie" to deal with.
But now, you lump in all this rampant talk of dev corruption in this game, with all of the time people have spent building up, it just doesn't sound like it's worth spending my time on. I took interest to EVE originally because I love an MMO with great PvP and I'm sick of elves and dwarves jumping around at my knees; but no matter how cool a game seems, it's not worth it when you have so many people in such a short time complaining and leaving. I'm certainly not joining a game where a large amount of the playerbase is saying the playing field is being made uneven by GM's.
I already was a part of bad game practices (not as bad as dev collusion in EVE) with SWG, and I know first hand that the community doesn't complain in mass-protest like this for their health; they do it because something is really messed up.
I dunno had fun with the trial and my friends still speak highly of it good enough for me. EvE is the biggest type of MMO of its kind so yeah I'd expect the Devs to hit some stumbling blocks other Devs have never hit before because they took a big risk and handed the players control over the game world. If I recall shadowbane had the same problem whereas it also suffered from the 'uber guild' problem. I just cant put much weight into all these accusations until I see the Devs delete my ships lol
but you do bring up the good point the ramp up time for a newbie might seem a bit daunting its starting to remind me of other MMOs whereas there is a big gap between noob and vet.