HAHA let me guess you get your news from MSNBC or some other liberal network eh? Like they are any better then FOX news. Pfff fox news is the number 1 network for news ''Fair and balanced" Unlike your liberal networks.
See my sig about why I usually don't watch either MSNBC or Fox. One of the sources of my "vast" ( ) knowledge is real life. Don't be startled by the "life" part. Also I read those things made by Satan, called "Books". I'm also not ashamed of the odd Wiki page or such.
HAHA let me guess you get your news from MSNBC or some other liberal network eh? Like they are any better then FOX news. Pfff fox news is the number 1 network for news ''Fair and balanced" Unlike your liberal networks.
I will agree with you on the point of Fox being a better option among the mentioned news networks. However, "fair and balanced" is untrue, an advertising gimmick fabricated by Fox themselves. The actual news portion of Fox network is just slightly biased towards republican/conservative. Its subprograms that are technically opinion and not news, such as the O'rielly factor, are very heavily biased in that direction.
Personally, I would just give up on trying to get your news from TV at all, there is no news source out there at all that focuses on getting pure information out that is entirely relevant, factual, and unbiased. For example, this huge fuss over Paris Hilton going to jail should never have made any headlines whatsoever, much less dominated front pages everywhere. I for one am quite tired of news programs that are more concerned with ratings than doing what is supposed to be their job.
No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee. Hemingway
HAHA let me guess you get your news from MSNBC or some other liberal network eh? Like they are any better then FOX news. Pfff fox news is the number 1 network for news ''Fair and balanced" Unlike your liberal networks.
See my sig about why I usually don't watch either MSNBC or Fox. One of the sources of my "vast" ( ) knowledge is real life. Don't be startled by the "life" part. Also I read those things made by Satan, called "Books". I'm also not ashamed of the odd Wiki page or such.
BTW, you should've told me about your condition.
Yea your vast sources from real life psh, i doubt you have been to the middle east and studied islam and what not. I rather get my news from FOX.
HAHA let me guess you get your news from MSNBC or some other liberal network eh? Like they are any better then FOX news. Pfff fox news is the number 1 network for news ''Fair and balanced" Unlike your liberal networks.
I will agree with you on the point of Fox being a better option among the mentioned news networks. However, "fair and balanced" is untrue, an advertising gimmick fabricated by Fox themselves. The actual news portion of Fox network is just slightly biased towards republican/conservative. Its subprograms that are technically opinion and not news, such as the O'rielly factor, are very heavily biased in that direction.
Personally, I would just give up on trying to get your news from TV at all, there is no news source out there at all that focuses on getting pure information out that is entirely relevant, factual, and unbiased. For example, this huge fuss over Paris Hilton going to jail should never have made any headlines whatsoever, much less dominated front pages everywhere. I for one am quite tired of news programs that are more concerned with ratings than doing what is supposed to be their job.
Yea FOX is the best, even though I might like it more because im republican/conservative, yea I it makes me sick when on the news "Breaking News!" "Paris Hilton going to jail" thats not breaking news... But other then that all is good.
Are you freaking kidding me? They want to wipe out jews and they will kill any non-muslim for "alah" give me a freaking break, they are all just plain retarded.I would wipe out every single muslim off this planet if it were to keep my people, Austrailia, france, UK, Ireland, Canada, Japan, South Korea, Germany and all the other good countries people safe. I would not hesitate. Its not racist or prejudice its fact.
I'd like to talk about the highlighted part here for a second.
I'm going to venture a bet that you don't know too much about Islam as a Religion. The Koran itself says that No Muslim is greater than any other, and no other is greater than a Muslim. Basically, everybody is equal. Also, many versions of Islam state that Christians will go to Heaven. Yes, thats right. The people you say that you want to wipe off the map, welcome you into their afterlife. Hooray for tolerance.
All you hear is the screwed up radical Islam, which isn't anything like most Muslims are.
Oh, and congradulations on proposing Genocide to save the world (Which wouldn't work at all anyway). No other way to put it, you're a Dumbass.
We barely remember who or what came before this precious moment; We are choosing to be here right now -Tool, Parabola
Good God, FOX news is one of the most biased cable news networks out their. Its basicly a arm of the american republican party. CNN Lou Dobbs theirs a real american,blue collar all the way. Honestly though its sad when the BBC can report american news better then the americans could.
Iran cant be aloud to make nuclear weapons at any cost. Any culture that is willing to send human waves of children armed with only religious books into battle is just evil. I think they would do anything including launching a nuclear strike and think they will go to heaven for it.
Best thing we can do is develop a new fuel source. Let the muslims have their holy sand.
All you hear is the screwed up radical Islam, which isn't anything like most Muslims are
Ok if most Muslims arent radical, why dont we have waves of Muslim religious leaders denouncing the radicals? The few that have were killed , like the guy from Pakistan. On a dail basis Muslims kill themselves and inocent bystanders in the name of Islam and going to heaven. Wheres the outrage from the Muslim leaders. Im a simple man but know evil when i see it.
All you hear is the screwed up radical Islam, which isn't anything like most Muslims are Ok if most Muslims arent radical, why dont we have waves of Muslim religious leaders denouncing the radicals? The few that have were killed , like the guy from Pakistan. On a dail basis Muslims kill themselves and inocent bystanders in the name of Islam and going to heaven. Wheres the outrage from the Muslim leaders. Im a simple man but know evil when i see it.
I'm gonna make this quick, my connection sucks right now. It wouldn't be right, or intelligent to judge the majority of Muslims based on the actions of the Islamo-facists/radical islam. You don't see us exterminating christians because of those bastards down at Jesus Camp.
Regarding the original topic, Iran is a direct threat, and we could easily declare war, and probably will eventually, but it's a poor choice at the moment. We have far too much to do already, with the troubles in Iraq, our own inter-governmental issues, and the stuff in Afghanistan which you probably won't ever hear about ever again, from any media source, for some stupid reason.
All you hear is the screwed up radical Islam, which isn't anything like most Muslims are Ok if most Muslims arent radical, why dont we have waves of Muslim religious leaders denouncing the radicals? The few that have were killed , like the guy from Pakistan. On a dail basis Muslims kill themselves and inocent bystanders in the name of Islam and going to heaven. Wheres the outrage from the Muslim leaders. Im a simple man but know evil when i see it.
Hmm, I dunno, maybe because GOOD NEWS DOESN'T SELL!
People are always yelling about how nobody praises our forces for creating schools, improving the standard of living, etc. But in the same breath, they'll ask why we never hear about any Muslims who stand up for this stuff? Same reason. Good news doesn't sell. I guarentee I can sell a newspaper on the end of the world way better than one on puppies.
Besides, for someone to stick their neck out is to make theirselves a target. Someone speaks out. Guess which mosque gets bombed next?
Yes, there are lots of Islamic Extremists. But its idiotic to think that they are anywhere near a representation of their people. If you can't get that through your head, you're blinded by hate and I can't help you. At all.
We barely remember who or what came before this precious moment; We are choosing to be here right now -Tool, Parabola
Originally posted by Lanmoragon Exactly. Just because the Pakistani president plays friendly with the U.S. doesnt mean Pakistans nuke isnt a threat. Pakistans pres is walking a pretty thin line trying to keep on friendly terms with the U.S. and also keep his people happy, who happen to not like the U.S. If an uprising occurs, thats it. Al Qaida or whatever extremist group has their nuke right there.
Unfortunately, there is another source for a nuclear weapon attack against a major US city in the near future. We laughed, but the thread about the head of the Arkansas GOP is pretty chilling if you think about it. Another major attack will solidify Americans behind the GOP/Bush administration, and Bush already has emergency powers in which he can suspend elections.
So, for example, if a nuclear detonation were to occur in New York City, Bush could announce emergency measures, suspend the elections, and retain power all with the blessings and support of the American people, who will be itching for revenge against Iran, the apparent supplier of the nuke.
Exactly in who'se interest is it for a terrorist group to detonate a nuke in New York? Iran? They know they will get their butt kicked if they do it. Korea? They know they will get their butt kicked if they do it. Basically, the Bush administration retains power and gets a blank check to go to war against anyone they wish.
Scary, isn't it? Have you figured out yet who has access to nukes, who can deliver one to a major US city, and in who'se interest it would be if it was detonated?
Power is not the means to an end, it is the end. The purpose of power is power.
George Orwell.
100% agree with this. I certaintly think it is a possibility that Bush or those trying to keep him in power could orchestrate something like that and not think twice. Its pretty scary to think about when those supposedly protecting you might have reason to let something "slip" in order to benefit them.
Originally posted by Lanmoragon Exactly. Just because the Pakistani president plays friendly with the U.S. doesnt mean Pakistans nuke isnt a threat. Pakistans pres is walking a pretty thin line trying to keep on friendly terms with the U.S. and also keep his people happy, who happen to not like the U.S. If an uprising occurs, thats it. Al Qaida or whatever extremist group has their nuke right there.
Unfortunately, there is another source for a nuclear weapon attack against a major US city in the near future. We laughed, but the thread about the head of the Arkansas GOP is pretty chilling if you think about it. Another major attack will solidify Americans behind the GOP/Bush administration, and Bush already has emergency powers in which he can suspend elections.
So, for example, if a nuclear detonation were to occur in New York City, Bush could announce emergency measures, suspend the elections, and retain power all with the blessings and support of the American people, who will be itching for revenge against Iran, the apparent supplier of the nuke.
Exactly in who'se interest is it for a terrorist group to detonate a nuke in New York? Iran? They know they will get their butt kicked if they do it. Korea? They know they will get their butt kicked if they do it. Basically, the Bush administration retains power and gets a blank check to go to war against anyone they wish.
Scary, isn't it? Have you figured out yet who has access to nukes, who can deliver one to a major US city, and in who'se interest it would be if it was detonated?
Power is not the means to an end, it is the end. The purpose of power is power.
George Orwell.
100% agree with this. I certaintly think it is a possibility that Bush or those trying to keep him in power could orchestrate something like that and not think twice. Its pretty scary to think about when those supposedly protecting you might have reason to let something "slip" in order to benefit them.
Think the U.S. would nuke itself, eh? Absurd. But, please, go ahead and pass the pipe. I need a hit of what you guys are smoking.
100% agree with this. I certaintly think it is a possibility that Bush or those trying to keep him in power could orchestrate something like that and not think twice. Its pretty scary to think about when those supposedly protecting you might have reason to let something "slip" in order to benefit them.
Think the U.S. would nuke itself, eh? Absurd. But, please, go ahead and pass the pipe. I need a hit of what you guys are smoking.
He said "Bush or those trying to keep him in power"...not the "U.S". If Bush Administration = U.S then i'm ashamed to be a citizen.
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The post you are replying to by Zikiel, posted on 6/09/07 9:54:30 PM
I'm gonna make this quick, my connection sucks right now. It wouldn't be right, or intelligent to judge the majority of Muslims based on the actions of the Islamo-facists/radical islam. You don't see us exterminating christians because of those bastards down at Jesus Camp.
I wouls say it isnt fair to lump all muslims into the radical Islam group, but if no one is speaking out on sins commited in the name of Islam. What is a resonable person supose to think. As far as Christan radicals go, they are shunned and by no means represent the majority. I have often herd the Pope calling for peace asking people to do the right thing.
The post you are replying to by mithrandir72, posted on 6/09/07 9:58:34 PM
Besides, for someone to stick their neck out is to make theirselves a target. Someone speaks out. Guess which mosque gets bombed next?
Yes, there are lots of Islamic Extremists. But its idiotic to think that they are anywhere near a representation of their people. If you can't get that through your head, you're blinded by hate and I can't help you. At all.
So your saying no one in the muslim religion feels safe enough to speak out against suicide bombers and crimes commited against inocent people for fear that they may be killed. I dont buy it. These are people that pray many times a day ,takes dedication. they all feel that if they are good muslims they will go to heaven, heck many are willing to die for their beliefs. Good or bad muslim, one thing they arent are weak. If they have somthing to say they will say it, so i ask why not speak out against radical Islam?
If they let the extremists dictate their religion to the world and no majore Muslim leaders speak out againt it, what would you conclude?Perhaps some people are racialphobic and need to be comfortable enough with themselves that they arent a racist to look at the facts with a open mind.
I would love to be proven wrong on this issue and would love to learn of some facts that would change my view. If anyone could name a Islamic government that is freindly to christans. Or name a few Islamist leaders that i could reserch that havnt been killed or jailed for speaking out against radical Islam I would be greatfull.
I am just a simple man after all not perfect by no means.
100% agree with this. I certaintly think it is a possibility that Bush or those trying to keep him in power could orchestrate something like that and not think twice. Its pretty scary to think about when those supposedly protecting you might have reason to let something "slip" in order to benefit them.
Think the U.S. would nuke itself, eh? Absurd. But, please, go ahead and pass the pipe. I need a hit of what you guys are smoking.
He said "Bush or those trying to keep him in power"...not the "U.S". If Bush Administration = U.S then i'm ashamed to be a citizen.
Bush stands so tall, you Lefties would have to stand on your mother's shoulders just to kiss him bum. My two cents.
Right.... There was a fox news special about Muslims and Islam. The Muslim proffesor even said that Muslim/Islam is a very violent religion. If you are not muslim then they are suppost to convert you, if you dont convert, they are suppost to kill you for being a infadel.So please shut the hell up and learn something, because you obviously dont know.
The Jewish faith is a violent religion, and that's what Christianity and Islam is based on.
Don't tell others to shut the hell up. You make racially biased comments, and prettend to know something about a faith you continue to demonstrate your ignorance of. As well as continually pushing out your racial and bigotist views, and think that you can convince others that the hate you keep spewing is in no way racial or wrong.
I find you're behavior over the coarse of this threa to be far more destructive then any AK47 weilding extremist 3k miles away.
All you've been able to offer to the discussion has been we should blow them all up because I'm better then them and come from a good country, and you have the nerve to tell others to learn something?
Well, we don't necessarily need to blow them up. We have plenty of biological weapons that we could use in lieu of nuclear. Nuclear arms are the most wasteful weapons on earth: The radioactive debris does a lot of damage to the surrounding environment.
This is a sequence of characters intended to produce some profound mental effect, but it has failed.
No one could possibly as stupid as Eric J, so Eric J Leach must actually be an incredibly smart anti-war/anti-conservative operative posting post that represent the stereotypical ignorant/bloodthirsty american so that people on this forum will see just how everyone else in the world views us! He's trying to get us to change our ways!
"The new age is upon us, yet the past refuses to rest in its shallow grave."
Bush stands so tall, you Lefties would have to stand on your mother's shoulders just to kiss him bum. My two cents.
^^^Excellent example of a Bush supporter when they open their mouth. No intellect, just attacks like a 5th grader.
______________________________ "When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!" -cheer leading, flag waving American
Originally posted by Lanmoragon Exactly. Just because the Pakistani president plays friendly with the U.S. doesnt mean Pakistans nuke isnt a threat. Pakistans pres is walking a pretty thin line trying to keep on friendly terms with the U.S. and also keep his people happy, who happen to not like the U.S. If an uprising occurs, thats it. Al Qaida or whatever extremist group has their nuke right there.
Unfortunately, there is another source for a nuclear weapon attack against a major US city in the near future. We laughed, but the thread about the head of the Arkansas GOP is pretty chilling if you think about it. Another major attack will solidify Americans behind the GOP/Bush administration, and Bush already has emergency powers in which he can suspend elections.
So, for example, if a nuclear detonation were to occur in New York City, Bush could announce emergency measures, suspend the elections, and retain power all with the blessings and support of the American people, who will be itching for revenge against Iran, the apparent supplier of the nuke.
Exactly in who'se interest is it for a terrorist group to detonate a nuke in New York? Iran? They know they will get their butt kicked if they do it. Korea? They know they will get their butt kicked if they do it. Basically, the Bush administration retains power and gets a blank check to go to war against anyone they wish.
Scary, isn't it? Have you figured out yet who has access to nukes, who can deliver one to a major US city, and in who'se interest it would be if it was detonated?
Power is not the means to an end, it is the end. The purpose of power is power.
George Orwell.
100% agree with this. I certaintly think it is a possibility that Bush or those trying to keep him in power could orchestrate something like that and not think twice. Its pretty scary to think about when those supposedly protecting you might have reason to let something "slip" in order to benefit them.
Yes, the stage is all set, all it is waiting for is the actors to show up and perform their roles.
The current situation over placing ABMs in eastern Europe is interesting. I assume, but do not know for sure, that US supply lines to the middle east run through Europe. Russia is a sponsor of Iran. A Russian strike on our supply lines could cripple a ground attack against Iran. As I previously stated, air attack will not accomplish the long term mission, which is regime change, all it will do is allow the Iranian government to focus the hatred of the Iranian people even more on the US, and increase the support by the Iranian people for the Iranian government. Thus, any attack should be a ground attack.
However, America alone lacks the military strength to fight in Iraq, Afganistan, and to take on Iran. So we must have allies, looking to the Eurpoeans. But the Europeans will not willingly jump on that band wagon short of a catastrophic event, such as a terrorist nuclear attack on a major western city. But nuking Rome, Berlin, Paris, Madrid, or London will not retain power for the administration, they still might lose the elections to the democrats (I know, some of you cringe at the thought of Hilary as president). If that possibility seems imminent, expect to see a US city go up.
Whether a US, or European city, now exists the catastrophic event to galvanize the free world to provide military support to join a US led coalition to remove the Iranian regime. If Russia interferes, our defenses are in Eastern Europe. Putin reacted in a cagey way, he said he agrees with these defenses, just put them closer to Russia, if not inside of Russia, so he can get his hands on them easily when the shit hits the fan. Gawd, those boys in the Kremlin, gotta admire them, even if they're against you.
Like I say, it is horrendous to think about this actually happening, yet the stage is set, all we await are the actors. This may be material for a Tom Clancy novel, and a damned good one it would be, for we would never know whether it is true that we nuked one of our own cities to start a war. Remember Gulf of Tonkin?
PS: As an addendum I will even provide the optimum target for the current US regime to retain power.....ground zero will be the US Congress during a sitting session, eliminating the democratic majority political opposition and consolidating power in the executive branch until elections, which will be suspended, and resumed after the crisis has passed. But the crisis will never pass.....
This thread is just sickening given half the responses in it. To think a topic like this can be discussed on a gaming forums with any sense of decency or marals is seems to be ludacrous. Half of whats stated in this thread is a prime example of whats wrong with the world today with ego fanatics.
1. For starters who really cares if Iran gets nukes. It won't change a dam thing. Theres enough nuclear material floating around and forgotten from the collapse of the Soviet Union that what Iran can produce is a percent of a percent to whats already out there.
2. Why do they want them. Its symbolic in their eyes. A goal of acomplishment for them. tho a poor one is all it is. The more anyone deny's they should have them the more they are gonna want them. As well as the more we get involved premachurely the more they will rally people for their cause. If we don't care then the more hallow their cause is. And the more it will appear to the people of that country to be a waste of materials and resources.
3. Would they use them? Who bloody knows. I seriously doubt it other than a bargain chip. The people of that country are not stupid. They know that if one left their country. The world would soon turn everything they know into a sheet of glass. Do we seriously have to point out the obvious? no....
4. So what exactly do they have that we want or any major country for that case. That a Nuclear arsenal could be used as a bargaining chip. one answer, Oil. The minute our country or any for that matter creates a system that actively uses a Bio fuel , or more enviromental friendly fuel for our production and needs. Will be the minute that Iran is no longer The U.S.'s or any other country's problem that uses said fuel. They will be back in the stone age and have to live in their own mess untill they show they can be civilized. Tho I use the word Civilized loosely. Since I don't think half of what happens in the world today could be called civilized.
5. The reason I say, "The minute one country produces a system that uses a Bio fuel/ enviromental firendly fuel". Is because technology spreads fast amongst the major country's in this world. All it takes is one country to fully develop a system that works and other country's will adopt a similar system to that fits their needs. No one wants to be left behind in the technology race. But frankly worrying about half of these non issues has stunned the growth of technology by a fair bit. And turned atention away from the real matters at hand which sickens me even more. #5 . Also includes that a country has to have the backbone and a non-corrupt political system to stand up to those Companys who have made endless ammounts of money from Oil who would obviously be against said type of system or try to stunt its growth.
I really don't see why people make this out to be such a difficult matter. Its not like what I have said is a could have. would have, should have. The technology is out there already . I think the corruption that exists in the State Offices and White House (from a US perspectivie) should be more of a focus and to blame for this situation than anything else. A country does not / should not downgrade its technology to its challengers lvl for a fair playing field. You out tech them and leave them for the history books. If they can not get their act straight. Simple as that.
The current situation over placing ABMs in eastern Europe is interesting. I assume, but do not know for sure, that US supply lines to the middle east run through Europe. Russia is a sponsor of Iran. A Russian strike on our supply lines could cripple a ground attack against Iran. As I previously stated, air attack will not accomplish the long term mission, which is regime change, all it will do is allow the Iranian government to focus the hatred of the Iranian people even more on the US, and increase the support by the Iranian people for the Iranian government. Thus, any attack should be a ground attack. However, America alone lacks the military strength to fight in Iraq, Afganistan, and to take on Iran. So we must have allies, looking to the Eurpoeans. But the Europeans will not willingly jump on that band wagon short of a catastrophic event, such as a terrorist nuclear attack on a major western city.
Regime change is illegal under British Law and International Treaty to which most of Europe is signed up to.
If your goal is regime change, we can't help you. (Hence all that WMD nonsense). If you want an alliance with Europe you will need to either change your goals or find alternative allies.
Not only can we not help you, but any of your citizens who have participated in regime change are open to trial in the Hague for war crimes should they step foot in our countries. (There is some current uncertainity about whether or not Blair will be charged by lefty cranks when he leaves office next month). General Tommy Franks for example, is a wanted man in Europe.
1. For starters who really cares if Iran gets nukes. It won't change a dam thing. Theres enough nuclear material floating around and forgotten from the collapse of the Soviet Union that what Iran can produce is a percent of a percent to whats already out there. 2. Why do they want them. Its symbolic in their eyes. A goal of acomplishment for them. tho a poor one is all it is. The more anyone deny's they should have them the more they are gonna want them. As well as the more we get involved premachurely the more they will rally people for their cause. If we don't care then the more hallow their cause is. And the more it will appear to the people of that country to be a waste of materials and resources. 3. Would they use them? Who bloody knows. I seriously doubt it other than a bargain chip. The people of that country are not stupid. They know that if one left their country. The world would soon turn everything they know into a sheet of glass. Do we seriously have to point out the obvious? no.... 4. So what exactly do they have that we want or any major country for that case. That a Nuclear arsenal could be used as a bargaining chip. one answer, Oil. The minute our country or any for that matter creates a system that actively uses a Bio fuel , or more enviromental friendly fuel for our production and needs. Will be the minute that Iran is no longer The U.S.'s or any other country's problem that uses said fuel. They will be back in the stone age and have to live in their own mess untill they show they can be civilized. Tho I use the word Civilized loosely. Since I don't think half of what happens in the world today could be called civilized.
It would change the balance of power in the middle east.
If they decided to hike the oil prices too high or cut of supply, we should not be in a position to militarily intervene.
If Iran has nukes and it's neighbours do not, in much the same way as we are currently able to attack countries like Iraq, Afhganistan and Iran without fear of any serious retaliation, Iran could attack all it's neighbours.
It could also no longer be attacked by us or Israel.
It could steal all the oil supplies in Saudi, Oman, Kuwait, Iraq. Invade or militarily intervene in countries that would not dare strike back at it's mainland.
It could blockade the Straits of Hormuz. Without fear of military retaliation it could close the Gulf to shipping. Crippling the economies of the west and cutting off our Iraqi based forces from resupply or evacutaion.
Why do they want them, because Iranians are proud of their empiric history. They seek regional supremacy. They wish to overturn the domination of the west and replace it with their own. They seek defence against intervention form us, and the ability to intervene with their neighbours retaliation free.
Right.... There was a fox news special about Muslims and Islam. The Muslim proffesor even said that Muslim/Islam is a very violent religion. If you are not muslim then they are suppost to convert you, if you dont convert, they are suppost to kill you for being a infadel.So please shut the hell up and learn something, because you obviously dont know.
You just fucked up your point and your case.
Come back when you've talked/lived with muslims and when you've read the Qur'An. Not that I'm saying it's an easy book.
Don't come back until you've opened your eyes ("You've never used them before, Neo") and stopped getting your info from... *spits* Fox News.
I make lots of mistakes too, but it's not my bloody mothertongue. Sounds like someone trying to convert someone else to Islam. Read the Qur'an? open your eyes? Hmm?
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I will agree with you on the point of Fox being a better option among the mentioned news networks. However, "fair and balanced" is untrue, an advertising gimmick fabricated by Fox themselves. The actual news portion of Fox network is just slightly biased towards republican/conservative. Its subprograms that are technically opinion and not news, such as the O'rielly factor, are very heavily biased in that direction.
Personally, I would just give up on trying to get your news from TV at all, there is no news source out there at all that focuses on getting pure information out that is entirely relevant, factual, and unbiased. For example, this huge fuss over Paris Hilton going to jail should never have made any headlines whatsoever, much less dominated front pages everywhere. I for one am quite tired of news programs that are more concerned with ratings than doing what is supposed to be their job.
No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
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BTW, you should've told me about your condition.
Yea your vast sources from real life psh, i doubt you have been to the middle east and studied islam and what not. I rather get my news from FOX.
I will agree with you on the point of Fox being a better option among the mentioned news networks. However, "fair and balanced" is untrue, an advertising gimmick fabricated by Fox themselves. The actual news portion of Fox network is just slightly biased towards republican/conservative. Its subprograms that are technically opinion and not news, such as the O'rielly factor, are very heavily biased in that direction.
Personally, I would just give up on trying to get your news from TV at all, there is no news source out there at all that focuses on getting pure information out that is entirely relevant, factual, and unbiased. For example, this huge fuss over Paris Hilton going to jail should never have made any headlines whatsoever, much less dominated front pages everywhere. I for one am quite tired of news programs that are more concerned with ratings than doing what is supposed to be their job.
Yea FOX is the best, even though I might like it more because im republican/conservative, yea I it makes me sick when on the news "Breaking News!" "Paris Hilton going to jail" thats not breaking news... But other then that all is good.
I'd like to talk about the highlighted part here for a second.
I'm going to venture a bet that you don't know too much about Islam as a Religion. The Koran itself says that No Muslim is greater than any other, and no other is greater than a Muslim. Basically, everybody is equal. Also, many versions of Islam state that Christians will go to Heaven. Yes, thats right. The people you say that you want to wipe off the map, welcome you into their afterlife. Hooray for tolerance.
All you hear is the screwed up radical Islam, which isn't anything like most Muslims are.
Oh, and congradulations on proposing Genocide to save the world (Which wouldn't work at all anyway). No other way to put it, you're a Dumbass.
We barely remember who or what came before this precious moment;
We are choosing to be here right now -Tool, Parabola
Good God, FOX news is one of the most biased cable news networks out their. Its basicly a arm of the american republican party. CNN Lou Dobbs theirs a real american,blue collar all the way. Honestly though its sad when the BBC can report american news better then the americans could.
Iran cant be aloud to make nuclear weapons at any cost. Any culture that is willing to send human waves of children armed with only religious books into battle is just evil. I think they would do anything including launching a nuclear strike and think they will go to heaven for it.
Best thing we can do is develop a new fuel source. Let the muslims have their holy sand.
All you hear is the screwed up radical Islam, which isn't anything like most Muslims are
Ok if most Muslims arent radical, why dont we have waves of Muslim religious leaders denouncing the radicals? The few that have were killed , like the guy from Pakistan. On a dail basis Muslims kill themselves and inocent bystanders in the name of Islam and going to heaven. Wheres the outrage from the Muslim leaders. Im a simple man but know evil when i see it.
I agree 110%.
I'm gonna make this quick, my connection sucks right now. It wouldn't be right, or intelligent to judge the majority of Muslims based on the actions of the Islamo-facists/radical islam. You don't see us exterminating christians because of those bastards down at Jesus Camp.
Regarding the original topic, Iran is a direct threat, and we could easily declare war, and probably will eventually, but it's a poor choice at the moment. We have far too much to do already, with the troubles in Iraq, our own inter-governmental issues, and the stuff in Afghanistan which you probably won't ever hear about ever again, from any media source, for some stupid reason.
Hmm, I dunno, maybe because GOOD NEWS DOESN'T SELL!
People are always yelling about how nobody praises our forces for creating schools, improving the standard of living, etc. But in the same breath, they'll ask why we never hear about any Muslims who stand up for this stuff? Same reason. Good news doesn't sell. I guarentee I can sell a newspaper on the end of the world way better than one on puppies.
Besides, for someone to stick their neck out is to make theirselves a target. Someone speaks out. Guess which mosque gets bombed next?
Yes, there are lots of Islamic Extremists. But its idiotic to think that they are anywhere near a representation of their people. If you can't get that through your head, you're blinded by hate and I can't help you. At all.
We barely remember who or what came before this precious moment;
We are choosing to be here right now -Tool, Parabola
Unfortunately, there is another source for a nuclear weapon attack against a major US city in the near future. We laughed, but the thread about the head of the Arkansas GOP is pretty chilling if you think about it. Another major attack will solidify Americans behind the GOP/Bush administration, and Bush already has emergency powers in which he can suspend elections.
So, for example, if a nuclear detonation were to occur in New York City, Bush could announce emergency measures, suspend the elections, and retain power all with the blessings and support of the American people, who will be itching for revenge against Iran, the apparent supplier of the nuke.
Exactly in who'se interest is it for a terrorist group to detonate a nuke in New York? Iran? They know they will get their butt kicked if they do it. Korea? They know they will get their butt kicked if they do it. Basically, the Bush administration retains power and gets a blank check to go to war against anyone they wish.
Scary, isn't it? Have you figured out yet who has access to nukes, who can deliver one to a major US city, and in who'se interest it would be if it was detonated?
Power is not the means to an end, it is the end. The purpose of power is power.
George Orwell.
100% agree with this. I certaintly think it is a possibility that Bush or those trying to keep him in power could orchestrate something like that and not think twice. Its pretty scary to think about when those supposedly protecting you might have reason to let something "slip" in order to benefit them.Unfortunately, there is another source for a nuclear weapon attack against a major US city in the near future. We laughed, but the thread about the head of the Arkansas GOP is pretty chilling if you think about it. Another major attack will solidify Americans behind the GOP/Bush administration, and Bush already has emergency powers in which he can suspend elections.
So, for example, if a nuclear detonation were to occur in New York City, Bush could announce emergency measures, suspend the elections, and retain power all with the blessings and support of the American people, who will be itching for revenge against Iran, the apparent supplier of the nuke.
Exactly in who'se interest is it for a terrorist group to detonate a nuke in New York? Iran? They know they will get their butt kicked if they do it. Korea? They know they will get their butt kicked if they do it. Basically, the Bush administration retains power and gets a blank check to go to war against anyone they wish.
Scary, isn't it? Have you figured out yet who has access to nukes, who can deliver one to a major US city, and in who'se interest it would be if it was detonated?
Power is not the means to an end, it is the end. The purpose of power is power.
George Orwell.
100% agree with this. I certaintly think it is a possibility that Bush or those trying to keep him in power could orchestrate something like that and not think twice. Its pretty scary to think about when those supposedly protecting you might have reason to let something "slip" in order to benefit them.Think the U.S. would nuke itself, eh? Absurd. But, please, go ahead and pass the pipe. I need a hit of what you guys are smoking.
Think the U.S. would nuke itself, eh? Absurd. But, please, go ahead and pass the pipe. I need a hit of what you guys are smoking.
He said "Bush or those trying to keep him in power"...not the "U.S". If Bush Administration = U.S then i'm ashamed to be a citizen.______________________________
"When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!"
-cheer leading, flag waving American
I'm gonna make this quick, my connection sucks right now. It wouldn't be right, or intelligent to judge the majority of Muslims based on the actions of the Islamo-facists/radical islam. You don't see us exterminating christians because of those bastards down at Jesus Camp.
I wouls say it isnt fair to lump all muslims into the radical Islam group, but if no one is speaking out on sins commited in the name of Islam. What is a resonable person supose to think. As far as Christan radicals go, they are shunned and by no means represent the majority. I have often herd the Pope calling for peace asking people to do the right thing.
The post you are replying to by mithrandir72, posted on 6/09/07 9:58:34 PM
Besides, for someone to stick their neck out is to make theirselves a target. Someone speaks out. Guess which mosque gets bombed next?
Yes, there are lots of Islamic Extremists. But its idiotic to think that they are anywhere near a representation of their people. If you can't get that through your head, you're blinded by hate and I can't help you. At all.
So your saying no one in the muslim religion feels safe enough to speak out against suicide bombers and crimes commited against inocent people for fear that they may be killed. I dont buy it. These are people that pray many times a day ,takes dedication. they all feel that if they are good muslims they will go to heaven, heck many are willing to die for their beliefs. Good or bad muslim, one thing they arent are weak. If they have somthing to say they will say it, so i ask why not speak out against radical Islam?
If they let the extremists dictate their religion to the world and no majore Muslim leaders speak out againt it, what would you conclude?Perhaps some people are racialphobic and need to be comfortable enough with themselves that they arent a racist to look at the facts with a open mind.
I would love to be proven wrong on this issue and would love to learn of some facts that would change my view. If anyone could name a Islamic government that is freindly to christans. Or name a few Islamist leaders that i could reserch that havnt been killed or jailed for speaking out against radical Islam I would be greatfull.
I am just a simple man after all not perfect by no means.
Think the U.S. would nuke itself, eh? Absurd. But, please, go ahead and pass the pipe. I need a hit of what you guys are smoking.
He said "Bush or those trying to keep him in power"...not the "U.S". If Bush Administration = U.S then i'm ashamed to be a citizen.Bush stands so tall, you Lefties would have to stand on your mother's shoulders just to kiss him bum. My two cents.
The Jewish faith is a violent religion, and that's what Christianity and Islam is based on.
Don't tell others to shut the hell up. You make racially biased comments, and prettend to know something about a faith you continue to demonstrate your ignorance of. As well as continually pushing out your racial and bigotist views, and think that you can convince others that the hate you keep spewing is in no way racial or wrong.
I find you're behavior over the coarse of this threa to be far more destructive then any AK47 weilding extremist 3k miles away.
All you've been able to offer to the discussion has been we should blow them all up because I'm better then them and come from a good country, and you have the nerve to tell others to learn something?
What a joke.
Wish Darkfall would release.
Well, we don't necessarily need to blow them up. We have plenty of biological weapons that we could use in lieu of nuclear. Nuclear arms are the most wasteful weapons on earth: The radioactive debris does a lot of damage to the surrounding environment.
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"When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!"
-cheer leading, flag waving American
Unfortunately, there is another source for a nuclear weapon attack against a major US city in the near future. We laughed, but the thread about the head of the Arkansas GOP is pretty chilling if you think about it. Another major attack will solidify Americans behind the GOP/Bush administration, and Bush already has emergency powers in which he can suspend elections.
So, for example, if a nuclear detonation were to occur in New York City, Bush could announce emergency measures, suspend the elections, and retain power all with the blessings and support of the American people, who will be itching for revenge against Iran, the apparent supplier of the nuke.
Exactly in who'se interest is it for a terrorist group to detonate a nuke in New York? Iran? They know they will get their butt kicked if they do it. Korea? They know they will get their butt kicked if they do it. Basically, the Bush administration retains power and gets a blank check to go to war against anyone they wish.
Scary, isn't it? Have you figured out yet who has access to nukes, who can deliver one to a major US city, and in who'se interest it would be if it was detonated?
Power is not the means to an end, it is the end. The purpose of power is power.
George Orwell.
100% agree with this. I certaintly think it is a possibility that Bush or those trying to keep him in power could orchestrate something like that and not think twice. Its pretty scary to think about when those supposedly protecting you might have reason to let something "slip" in order to benefit them.Yes, the stage is all set, all it is waiting for is the actors to show up and perform their roles.
The current situation over placing ABMs in eastern Europe is interesting. I assume, but do not know for sure, that US supply lines to the middle east run through Europe. Russia is a sponsor of Iran. A Russian strike on our supply lines could cripple a ground attack against Iran. As I previously stated, air attack will not accomplish the long term mission, which is regime change, all it will do is allow the Iranian government to focus the hatred of the Iranian people even more on the US, and increase the support by the Iranian people for the Iranian government. Thus, any attack should be a ground attack.
However, America alone lacks the military strength to fight in Iraq, Afganistan, and to take on Iran. So we must have allies, looking to the Eurpoeans. But the Europeans will not willingly jump on that band wagon short of a catastrophic event, such as a terrorist nuclear attack on a major western city. But nuking Rome, Berlin, Paris, Madrid, or London will not retain power for the administration, they still might lose the elections to the democrats (I know, some of you cringe at the thought of Hilary as president). If that possibility seems imminent, expect to see a US city go up.
Whether a US, or European city, now exists the catastrophic event to galvanize the free world to provide military support to join a US led coalition to remove the Iranian regime. If Russia interferes, our defenses are in Eastern Europe. Putin reacted in a cagey way, he said he agrees with these defenses, just put them closer to Russia, if not inside of Russia, so he can get his hands on them easily when the shit hits the fan. Gawd, those boys in the Kremlin, gotta admire them, even if they're against you.
Like I say, it is horrendous to think about this actually happening, yet the stage is set, all we await are the actors. This may be material for a Tom Clancy novel, and a damned good one it would be, for we would never know whether it is true that we nuked one of our own cities to start a war. Remember Gulf of Tonkin?
PS: As an addendum I will even provide the optimum target for the current US regime to retain power.....ground zero will be the US Congress during a sitting session, eliminating the democratic majority political opposition and consolidating power in the executive branch until elections, which will be suspended, and resumed after the crisis has passed. But the crisis will never pass.....
This thread is just sickening given half the responses in it. To think a topic like this can be discussed on a gaming forums with any sense of decency or marals is seems to be ludacrous. Half of whats stated in this thread is a prime example of whats wrong with the world today with ego fanatics.
1. For starters who really cares if Iran gets nukes. It won't change a dam thing. Theres enough nuclear material floating around and forgotten from the collapse of the Soviet Union that what Iran can produce is a percent of a percent to whats already out there.
2. Why do they want them. Its symbolic in their eyes. A goal of acomplishment for them. tho a poor one is all it is. The more anyone deny's they should have them the more they are gonna want them. As well as the more we get involved premachurely the more they will rally people for their cause. If we don't care then the more hallow their cause is. And the more it will appear to the people of that country to be a waste of materials and resources.
3. Would they use them? Who bloody knows. I seriously doubt it other than a bargain chip. The people of that country are not stupid. They know that if one left their country. The world would soon turn everything they know into a sheet of glass. Do we seriously have to point out the obvious? no....
4. So what exactly do they have that we want or any major country for that case. That a Nuclear arsenal could be used as a bargaining chip. one answer, Oil. The minute our country or any for that matter creates a system that actively uses a Bio fuel , or more enviromental friendly fuel for our production and needs. Will be the minute that Iran is no longer The U.S.'s or any other country's problem that uses said fuel. They will be back in the stone age and have to live in their own mess untill they show they can be civilized. Tho I use the word Civilized loosely. Since I don't think half of what happens in the world today could be called civilized.
5. The reason I say, "The minute one country produces a system that uses a Bio fuel/ enviromental firendly fuel". Is because technology spreads fast amongst the major country's in this world. All it takes is one country to fully develop a system that works and other country's will adopt a similar system to that fits their needs. No one wants to be left behind in the technology race. But frankly worrying about half of these non issues has stunned the growth of technology by a fair bit. And turned atention away from the real matters at hand which sickens me even more. #5 . Also includes that a country has to have the backbone and a non-corrupt political system to stand up to those Companys who have made endless ammounts of money from Oil who would obviously be against said type of system or try to stunt its growth.
I really don't see why people make this out to be such a difficult matter. Its not like what I have said is a could have. would have, should have. The technology is out there already . I think the corruption that exists in the State Offices and White House (from a US perspectivie) should be more of a focus and to blame for this situation than anything else. A country does not / should not downgrade its technology to its challengers lvl for a fair playing field. You out tech them and leave them for the history books. If they can not get their act straight. Simple as that.
Regime change is illegal under British Law and International Treaty to which most of Europe is signed up to.
If your goal is regime change, we can't help you. (Hence all that WMD nonsense). If you want an alliance with Europe you will need to either change your goals or find alternative allies.
Not only can we not help you, but any of your citizens who have participated in regime change are open to trial in the Hague for war crimes should they step foot in our countries. (There is some current uncertainity about whether or not Blair will be charged by lefty cranks when he leaves office next month). General Tommy Franks for example, is a wanted man in Europe.
It would change the balance of power in the middle east.
If they decided to hike the oil prices too high or cut of supply, we should not be in a position to militarily intervene.
If Iran has nukes and it's neighbours do not, in much the same way as we are currently able to attack countries like Iraq, Afhganistan and Iran without fear of any serious retaliation, Iran could attack all it's neighbours.
It could also no longer be attacked by us or Israel.
It could steal all the oil supplies in Saudi, Oman, Kuwait, Iraq. Invade or militarily intervene in countries that would not dare strike back at it's mainland.
It could blockade the Straits of Hormuz. Without fear of military retaliation it could close the Gulf to shipping. Crippling the economies of the west and cutting off our Iraqi based forces from resupply or evacutaion.
Why do they want them, because Iranians are proud of their empiric history. They seek regional supremacy. They wish to overturn the domination of the west and replace it with their own. They seek defence against intervention form us, and the ability to intervene with their neighbours retaliation free.
Come back when you've talked/lived with muslims and when you've read the Qur'An. Not that I'm saying it's an easy book.
Don't come back until you've opened your eyes ("You've never used them before, Neo") and stopped getting your info from... *spits* Fox News.
Also... CHECK YOUR SPELLING.
I make lots of mistakes too, but it's not my bloody mothertongue. Sounds like someone trying to convert someone else to Islam. Read the Qur'an? open your eyes? Hmm?