The video just focuses on the end result anyway not how it ended like this. Meaning noone has an idea why the kid is like this.
And blaming a computer game is idiotic at best since kids like this existed before computers.
A parent that has to be physical to prove a point more often than not, is doomed to failure anyway since he doesn't teach the kid anything other than creating a resentment a lot of times or just making it more respective and thus accept abuse from different sorts such as husbands/wives. Point blank, too much of anything and you don't help the kid. The point is to make the kid a thinking human so he can stand by himself not instill fear or whatnot.
The parents in the video possibly didn't check on their kid close enough for signs like depression,anxiety and a crap load of modern psycological diseases. Because the specific kid shows the signs of exactly that.
Healthy well adjusted kids they may get overly enthusiastic with internet games but rarely get hooked for more than a year or two unless other factors are involved such as introversion, shyness, depression. Those things can't be solved with a belt and they only get worse with that.
Lastly it is one thing to be firm and fair on your decisions at the kid and one being bordeline abusive. At the first the kid learns something most of the times at the second it just learns not to do it when the parent is around.
A friend is not him who provides support during your failures.A friend is the one that cheers you during your successes.
There is a big difference between spanking and beating. Beating: This is when you're pissed off at your kid or something at work or whatever else and you take out your anger on your child. This represents a lack of self control and is (obviously) bad parenting. Spanking: This is when you make a calculated decision to apply corporal punishment based on your belief that it will stem whatever disobedience your child is doing and prevent it from happening for a good long time. If you have to spank your kids often, you are doing it wrong and out of anger. A parent should never spank their child when they're angry. If they're angry, they should go cool off and decide if spanking will actually resolve the situation. *snip* I've got three kids who do what they are told without so much as a mutter or complaint. Why? Because they know where the line is and they know I love them. I spend time with my children and they *want* to keep me happy. I think the biggest problem with the child in the audio is that he doesn't know where the line is or that there is no line at all.
Very well said.... While I find other methods of punishment, I have spanked my children in the past. It is a last resort and ONLY if I feel that it is A. warranted, B. going to do something. I tend to use natural consequences and RL rules when it comes to discipline. I give my children respect, and in turn I get the same back. I just hope it remains that way when they become teens. I believe very strongly that you do not discipline until you have calmed down and can think rationally.
I just wanted to say that your analysis is very well said....
I would like to see how some of you 20+ year olds would take it if someone pulled the plug on your raid in any game... There might not be tears but some punches to the wall.
Originally posted by infrared1 Thank you xXSeraphielXx for your objectivity. You are correct on why i did what i did to my son. Unfortunately i dont think he's learning anything. It's been a year, and i'm not sure what my next step will be. I know i need to step in soon. He's drowning and on his last breath. Of course I will not let him drown, he's my son and i love him very much. I wish this was all just a bad dream.
He is addicted. As with any addiction, the best course of action is a cold-turkey style break from the object of the addiction.
If you dont hate me due to my bold statements, let me try and give you some ideas.
You could offer to take him back in under your wing under the condition that he stop playing WoW. (This is unlikely to work unless he has no job and really will be out on the streets soon.) There will, of course, be a period of anger towards you, but if he really is a good kid as you say that he is, he will come out of it and ultimately thank you for helping him.
If you dont object to tough love, and I dont think you do, you could get his account banned. If he loses all that work it might shot him back into reality.
You could take him back in and let him play, and from there you have several options open to you, some involving a keylogger, but those are mostly dishonest and I dont condone them.
The most important thing to remember at this point is that there will be real, serious conflict before he regains
What I would really recommend is that you read up on how people deal with hard drug addiction, most notably heroin and cocaine, depending on how your son treats the game. There are a great many resources out there for people trying to help someone they love who is suffering from addiction. Be creative and be aggressive. It is never too late.
"There are two great powers, and they've been fighting since time began. Every advance in human life, every scrap of knowledge and wisdom and decency we have has been torn by one side from the teeth of the other. Every little increase in human freedom has been fought over ferociously between those who want us to know more and be wiser and stronger, and those who want us to obey and be humble and submit."
John Parry, to his son Will; "The Subtle Knife," by Phillip Pullman
Originally posted by kedoremos Originally posted by Leodious <snip> One of his headlights was out. The cop wasn't going to go to the trouble to pull him over because he was behind him. When he passed him, the cop then pulled him over. It was not out of spite, and the man was breaking the law. He would have had to pay the ticket. That's obvious. I said that he shouldn't trust his kids *AS MUCH AS HE DOES.* I did not say he shouldn't trust them at all. You have to trust someone a little bit to let them live in the same house as you. Like I said before, please work on your reading comprehension skills. You are only remembering what sticks in yoru mind, and that is not always what the writer of the post meant, or even said. Pay more attention.
You are being very condescending. That says a lot about your upbringing. As a father of three wonderful children I can tell you all this: there is a subtle balance between discipline and attention. When my kids act up, it's usually because they aren't getting enough of one or both. If I compensate for the lack then their behavior straightens up. There is a big difference between spanking and beating. Beating: This is when you're pissed off at your kid or something at work or whatever else and you take out your anger on your child. This represents a lack of self control and is (obviously) bad parenting. Spanking: This is when you make a calculated decision to apply corporal punishment based on your belief that it will stem whatever disobedience your child is doing and prevent it from happening for a good long time. If you have to spank your kids often, you are doing it wrong and out of anger. A parent should never spank their child when they're angry. If they're angry, they should go cool off and decide if spanking will actually resolve the situation. I agree that each child is different. I used to think that all kids would respond the same to the same discipline. This is most certainly not true. I've got three kids who do what they are told without so much as a mutter or complaint. Why? Because they know where the line is and they know I love them. I spend time with my children and they *want* to keep me happy. I think the biggest problem with the child in the audio is that he doesn't know where the line is or that there is no line at all.
I don't know why you think I am being condescending, but I have to say I agree with you about beating and spanking. However, spanking is very, very rarely the solution.
"There are two great powers, and they've been fighting since time began. Every advance in human life, every scrap of knowledge and wisdom and decency we have has been torn by one side from the teeth of the other. Every little increase in human freedom has been fought over ferociously between those who want us to know more and be wiser and stronger, and those who want us to obey and be humble and submit."
John Parry, to his son Will; "The Subtle Knife," by Phillip Pullman
Perhaps, But that is a trust issue isn't it. I give my children trust, in return they show me they deserve it. If they choose to violate that trust then it is a consequence they need to live with. They've tried in the past by sneaking onto my Xbox and they were caught.. they've tried on the computer only to find it locked..... and they were caught. In the end it is simply a trust issue. They want me to trust them, they need to earn it. I treat them like young adults, but only if they act like it. My sons are 11 and 10, and I assure you they would never DREAM of acting like that kid.... They would ask me nicely if they could stay up, and that is when I would look at a possible comprimise. However if I simply said "No" then the no would stand.
Those parents made an attempt at resolving it nicely, even if the answer was no..... I would have shut the comp down immediately.. I do not hear whining. If my kids want to talk to me they need to respond like a young adult. My oldest is sitting here reading this and shaking his head at the behavior of that other kid. Even he thinks that was pathetic,
Supernerd... you are obviously a young teen.. my question is how are your grades? Do you act like this for your parents? Do you believe a child that acts like this should still be treated as a young adult? If you do not act with respect and dignity should you be dealt with in the same manner? Welcome to the real world.... this behavior will not be tolerated when you are an adult. It is best to learn it when you are young. This is a key to success in life. And THAT is more important than any game, regardless of how important a child/teen thinks it is. xXSeraphielXx
If your children keep trying to break into your computer and play your consoles when you aren’t looking, I don’t think you should trust them so much. Imagine what they might be doing that you can’t track electronically.
Originally posted by infrared1
This sounds just like my son. I had to literally kick him out of my house cuz WoW ruled his life. He refused to get a job, get his drivers license, go to school, do his chores. At the ripe age of 20 years old he has dropped out of college twice because it interfered with his online time. I did everything i could to curve his addiction. The day finally came when he cried like this kid and kept me up till 1am trying to force me to turn the internet back on. I had to be at work at 6am and both of his sisters had school in the morning. He could have cared less about anyone else in the house. He would not back down till i turned the internet back on. It almost came to blows. I took the next day off from work and kicked his ass out on the street. Now he has no internet at all and nowhere to live. Guess what. All he can still talk about is playing WoW. He continually tries to get me to let him hook up his computer in my house and play WoW. Aint gonna happen. He's done until he can set some priorities in his life. That was 1 year ago. Friends have been letting him play at their houses.
He now has gotten 3 tickets which total over $500, Needs oral sergury $1200, no registration on his car, can't pay his car insurance, lost his job and all he can think about is WoW. SAD HUH??
You are a terrible parent. I can’t imagine what you did to raise him for twenty years such that all he can think about is a video game. Maybe you should think about that. What have you done to raise such a person. Kicking him out of the house isn’t going to make him a better person; it will only make his life harder. The only way you can make this better is by educating him about the world, and how to set priorities.
Though, judging from your syntax, you aren’t the most heavily educated person yourself. I feel like this is a large part of the problem. There are so many parents out there who have no concept of how to raise a child and no respect for the responsibility they have to that child. Like you, infrared, are blaming the child for this behaviour when his very nature has been determined by his life up to this point. You and the rest of his family, the way you have treated him, and the conditions of his childhood are what made him the man he is today. It is important to respect your children as human beings.
You are making a hell of a lot of assumptions. I have a degree in Aviation (A&P) minored in business and work for the federal government. (Pnuedraulics systems specialist) You are a narrow minded person if you think people don't change. Grow up. I show my children lots of love and educate them daily on what life is all about. Unfortunately, there are parents out there that can agree with me that even your children can change for the worse. Try to teach them something with understanding and an open mind. All you get in return is the all famous, " I know". In one ear and out the other. You can't make someone listen to you or make them do what you want. I have 2 other children, (6 and 13, both girls) that i need to think about. If you think i would stand by and let my 20 yr old son dictate to me how things should run in MY home, you're nuts. I gave him everything he needed with all the help in the world to advance in life. Sent him to college twice, dropped out both times cuz it cut into his WoW time. He became a disruption in my home and disrespected everyone. He became violent with his mother and his sister. As a father i know that i had to make the sacrifice to bring peace to my home, and for my other 2 children. You speak as if you think it was an easy decision to kick him out. It was the hardest thing i had to do. He was a good kid, played football in highschool, (went to all of his practices and all of his games) i WAS a proud parent. Then came WoW. over 3 years i watched as he became an ass. We can only do SOOO much. It was just like a drug addict. Only difference is there isnt a focus group for people addicted to WoW. Trust me i would have tried to send him there. People change. Don't you think i thought many time, "What did we do to him to deserve this? Where did we go so wrong?" It's not me or his mother, its him and only him, hes addicted to a fucking video game. And i did try to stop it everyday and tried to give him every benefit of the doubt. Because thats what parents do. Before you try and passing judgment on me, come live in my shoes for the last 3 yrs. Then tell me i was wrong. Until then shut up, and dont assume. It makes an ASS out of U and ME.
I made one assumption: that you were not heavily educated. As a professor of linguistics, however, this is less an assumption and more an educated guess based on a great deal of experience. I won’t claim you are lying because that would be arrogant of me, but I will say I am taking it with a grain of salt. Places like this are great for studying how the average person presents themselves through their words in a free setting. When I read essays, I can that the writers feel unable to express themselves freely. Here, people can say whatever they would like to, in whatever way comes naturally to them. That is one reason I spend so much time on forums such as this one; I am exposing myself to natural language. Even so, I have become able to judge a lot about a person’s character from their writing. You might say that the way in which you write on a forum is not representative of anything about you, but many people besides myself assert the obvious when a poster is clearly a child and is writing about things they cannot understand. It follows logically that if you can gauge a person’s age via their way of expressing themselves that you can gauge other things as well.
I maintain that you are a terrible parent. Kicking a child out when they have no other place to go is just wrong, even if they are twenty; it would be just as wrong if they were fifty. If you love someone you do not put them out on the streets. There is no excuse for taking that action.
What really bothers me, however, is that you feel that at twenty years old, WoW has had a greater impact on his development than you have had. You say that he was a good kid until he started playing WoW. It sounds to me like there was a lack of discipline in the house that became a problem when an addiction manifested itself. The same problem could have manifested itself in the form of alcohol or other drugs, sex, or any number of other things that can be addictive when no self-control is exercised.
What you did to deserve this was refraining from teaching your son self-control when he was young enough that he would have respected you enough to practice it, and/or refraining from fostering a respect for you in him such that he would listen to you when you came to him with this concern, and/or being rude about the WoW addiction and not treating him like a rational human being. Any or all of those things could be the problem, but the fact remains that as a child he was your responsibility. If he were much older I could see how he could have changed and that this is not your fault, but at twenty years of age the effects of his upbringing are readily apparent in his actions. I am sorry if you cannot see this, but this is as cool and logical as I can be about this. I was raised very poorly and it took me many years to get over it. As a result, I spend a great deal of my time trying to educate people about raising children. I just hope one person on these forums can learn from your mistakes, and that one child will be raised a more stable and happy person as a result.
Also, that last thing you said is asinine and trite. I lose a great deal of respect for people when they say it. I don’t think that matters much to you, given our relationship (or rather, general lack thereof) but perhaps you might refrain from being so rude. You might say I am making arrogant assumptions, but I am objective and polite in my speech. Presentation goes a long way.
You are still assuming and now you are my judge, jury and executioner. Your response is neither objective nor polite. You have no clue what my family has gone though in the past 3 yrs, so you assume. You have no clue how i have spoken to him or treated him, you assume again. Then you have the nerve to say im a terrible parent because i threw him out of the house. What about him. You make the whole thing out as it is my fault for who he is and who he has become. For a professor you sure dont know much about people do you? Take a Sociology class. As another poster has stated. I cannot control him, only offer guidance and assistance. He got involved with the wrong people that have influenced him. I CANNOT CONTROL THAT. CAN I? There are tons of outside influences that kids face and i cannot be by his side all the time to make sure he is doing the right thing. Peer pressure is a bitch and i did all i could to keep my son. He decided to go with his friends way of doing things. Lord knows its a lot funner than going to college and working, right? I tell my daughters all the time, "It's so easy to do the wrong thing, but it takes heart and courage to do the right thing." I DO NOT FEEL THIS IS ANY FAULT OF MINE. And you base this mainly on his age. So tell me, almighty professor of all things, what age is it ok to throw him out of the house? Or should i ask, how much do my family and I have to suffer before its ok with you to throw him out? He is welcome in my home at anytime. But he will NOT setup his computer in my home ever again. I still offer him help and guidance, but as long as his priorities are fucked up he will not live here. Are there things i may have done different? Sure, of course, everyone has some regret for something they could have done differently. But by no means would i consider myself a bad parent for doing everything i could for 3 yrs, and saving my other children from his violence, disrespect, and rebellious attitude. My younger daughters don't need to see the conflict between us. He will become a bad influence on them the longer he stays in my home. I am a 100 times better parent and father than any of his friends, probably cuz most of his friends dont have fathers. Hell hes not even my real son, hes my stepson. I've raised him since he was 5 years old. I still consider him MY son though. Even after everything that has happened I can still say he is MY son because i know that somewhere inside of him is the person i raised him to be. I have hope that soon he will find himself again.
Thank you so much for saying this. It has scared me to see how many people would rather the father beat this child. I think perhaps they have let this get out of hand before this was caught on audio. There is clearly a problem with the child not respecting the parents, but no one respects someone else unless they are given a reason to. Like Lord Kyellan said, fear and respect are very different things. My father could never get them straight himself, and during my childhood I was often beaten badly with a belt. I grew up in fear of my father, but I did not respect him. He couldn't hold down a job, and he couldn't finish any project he began. He is a bad person, and I have not spoken to him in years, nor do I have any desire to. You people who say you would like to beat this child are just contributing to the problem. Of course this child has an addiction problem, but if you beat the child because of it you are still not going to get the child to stop being addicted. Instead, he will try to start hiding things from his parents and trying tohave less contact with them, believeing that they don't care about him or what he wants. These parents have obviously started letting him play on the computer with the wrong idea about computers. Artificial time limits like the WoW parental controls are silly to begin with, and also just promote anger in the child, which will build and start the child on a deviant path. The child has to understand the rules of the house, and respect his parents enough to listen to them and their logic, and respect the wisdom of their age, enough to do as he is asked (NOT commanded). Children are too often treated like property or inferior beings, especially in the legal system. Just because you are younger does not mean you have no feelings, or that you can't think rationally. If you are educated from a young age about the world, and your parents treat you like a person, you are more inclined to act like one. If parents rule with love, they will have better success because the child will obey because he or she wants to, not because he or she fears punishment. If you are afraid of being punished, you try only not to get caught, not to obey rules. You people who would rather the child be beaten are dark, sick individuals who should really look deep inside yourselves for what you value. If you really think that is how you should raise a child, I hope you have none, because they will not be very happy people.
I'm really sorry for everything that has happened to you..
Anyway now to the point, people are confusing spanking with beating, which is awfully wrong, spanking a child is a good thing, beating is horrible and totally different.
I was spanked when I was a kid, but I was given trust and love, my mom would let me out and tell me at the time when I was supposed to be home, if I couldnt make it in time, I'd call.. If I just wanted to be a smartass she would notice and won't let me get out till the next week, that's how I learned.. Later in life I'd get home at the time they set, ofcourse they don't set times now, but I always thought of my mom as a friend, I'd tell her if I did something wrong.. And I love my parents and the way they raised me.. and now I'm someone who's beginning his career and I'll always thank them
And I agree with someone who posted before, my methos would be let him play all night, but let him know, no more WoW on the weekdays, and wake him up really early the other day, and tell him that what he gets.. If you catch him playing again on the weekdays, you just hide his computer away somewhere, that way he'll learn to respect your warnings.
i couldn't even finish it, if i acted like that kid when i was his age, i would've gotten a good spanking--even though by that age (i'm guessing around 15 or so) my parents had stopped spanking me as i was a bit too old for that sort of discipline, if i acted that way i'm pretty sure they'd have said if you're going to act like a child you'll be disciplined like a child and given me a good hard spanking, and then i'd have also gotten all computer privileges taken away for at least a month and possibly gotten the game taken away indefinitely also.
my parents weren't harsh, but they did discipline me when needed, and i'm actually very grateful that they did, it has made me a much more responsible adult.
i couldn't even finish it, if i acted like that kid when i was his age, i would've gotten a good spanking--even though by that age (i'm guessing around 15 or so) my parents had stopped spanking me as i was a bit too old for that sort of discipline, if i acted that way i'm pretty sure they'd have said if you're going to act like a child you'll be disciplined like a child and given me a good hard spanking, and then i'd have also gotten all computer privileges taken away for at least a month and possibly gotten the game taken away indefinitely also.
my dad would have punched me in the mouth. my mom would have laughed and called me a pussy and then they would have dragged my ass out of the house on a camping trip or vacation on the beach somewhere. somewhere with them.. away from anything like the computer. then again.. there wasnt much of this back then, but they knew how to get me out of the house and with the family..and not completely disengaged.
what planet are some of you from? then again.. that was when I was a kid.. 20+ years ago. man what the hell is wrong with some of you..
"Ma----ahhh.." wow...
"If you want a picture of the future, imagine a robot foot stomping on a human face -- forever."
Thank you xXSeraphielXx for your objectivity. You are correct on why i did what i did to my son. Unfortunately i dont think he's learning anything. It's been a year, and i'm not sure what my next step will be. I know i need to step in soon. He's drowning and on his last breath. Of course I will not let him drown, he's my son and i love him very much. I wish this was all just a bad dream.
He is addicted. As with any addiction, the best course of action is a cold-turkey style break from the object of the addiction.
If you don’t hate me due to my bold statements, let me try and give you some ideas.
You could offer to take him back in under your wing under the condition that he stop playing WoW. (This is unlikely to work unless he has no job and really will be out on the streets soon.) There will, of course, be a period of anger towards you, but if he really is a good kid as you say that he is, he will come out of it and ultimately thank you for helping him. Tried, it didnt work. Only took 3 weeks for him to relapse.
If you don’t object to “tough love,” and I don’t think you do, you could get his account banned. If he loses all that work it might shot him back into reality. My tough love as you call it was throwing him out because all other avenues were tried over 3 yrs. And how am i supposed to get his account banned? He's 20 yrs old for Christ sake. You know its not beyond a child to sue their parents.
You could take him back in and let him play, and from there you have several options open to you, some involving a keylogger, but those are mostly dishonest and I don’t condone them. Did this too. Set time limits, and he had to be off by a certain time every night. Worked for 2 weeks.
The most important thing to remember at this point is that there will be real, serious conflict before he regains I know, and if you look at all my posts you will see i have always tried to give him the benefit of the doubt.
What I would really recommend is that you read up on how people deal with hard drug addiction, most notably heroin and cocaine, depending on how your son treats the game. There are a great many resources out there for people trying to help someone they love who is suffering from addiction. Be creative and be aggressive. It is never too late. All the creative things we've tried over the last 3 yrs have failed. As for being aggressive, you are the one calling me a terrible parent for coming to my last straw and trowing him out, aren't you?
Well, infrared, this has certainly been interesting. It is late where I am and I have a class tomorrow for which I need to get ready (I hate working summer sessions.).
Your attitude really bothers me, but there is nothing I can do for you, is there? I do wish you luck with your son, however. Like I said, look up information about hard drug addictions. They will be a good starting place for how to help your son. I know that sounds strange, but I have seen many kids screw up badly because of video games.
"There are two great powers, and they've been fighting since time began. Every advance in human life, every scrap of knowledge and wisdom and decency we have has been torn by one side from the teeth of the other. Every little increase in human freedom has been fought over ferociously between those who want us to know more and be wiser and stronger, and those who want us to obey and be humble and submit."
John Parry, to his son Will; "The Subtle Knife," by Phillip Pullman
I for one never hit my children and never will. In my opinion, it is signs of weakness and lack of self control. Your child can interpret your “spanking” or “tough (physical) love” many different ways.
In this situation, I would recommend using the three “R’s” rule. These are simply guidelines that will have to be altered to fit your personal situation.
Remove
The first this the mother should of done is simply remove the problem. In this case, unplug the computer. If you would be worried about the child turning the computer back on, take the computer power cord with you when you leave the room.
Once you turned the computer off, remove yourself from the child’s room. Give time for everyone to cool off.
Reflect
After everyone is calmed down (still upset, but not needing to yell or say hurtful things), this is where you express your opinion on why it upset you and why you think what your child did was wrong. The reflect period is also for the parent. The parent should be always questioning themselves (i.e. should I be upset? Why can’t my child do that? Where would a compromise be?)
Reconnect
This is where you smooth things over. Everyone has their own way of saying, “Hey, it’s cool.” I won’t pretend to tell you all that I know the answers to this one. Experience with your own family is the only way to reconnect with 100% efficiency.
What I can say though, if you did lose your temper (like this lady did), you owe your child an apology.
Thank you xXSeraphielXx for your objectivity. You are correct on why i did what i did to my son. Unfortunately i dont think he's learning anything. It's been a year, and i'm not sure what my next step will be. I know i need to step in soon. He's drowning and on his last breath. Of course I will not let him drown, he's my son and i love him very much. I wish this was all just a bad dream.
He is addicted. As with any addiction, the best course of action is a cold-turkey style break from the object of the addiction.
If you don’t hate me due to my bold statements, let me try and give you some ideas.
You could offer to take him back in under your wing under the condition that he stop playing WoW. (This is unlikely to work unless he has no job and really will be out on the streets soon.) There will, of course, be a period of anger towards you, but if he really is a good kid as you say that he is, he will come out of it and ultimately thank you for helping him. Tried, it didnt work. Only took 3 weeks for him to relapse.
If you don’t object to “tough love,” and I don’t think you do, you could get his account banned. If he loses all that work it might shot him back into reality. My tough love as you call it was throwing him out because all other avenues were tried over 3 yrs. And how am i supposed to get his account banned? He's 20 yrs old for Christ sake. You know its not beyond a child to sue their parents.
You could take him back in and let him play, and from there you have several options open to you, some involving a keylogger, but those are mostly dishonest and I don’t condone them. Did this too. Set time limits, and he had to be off by a certain time every night. Worked for 2 weeks.
The most important thing to remember at this point is that there will be real, serious conflict before he regains I know, and if you look at all my posts you will see i have always tried to give him the benefit of the doubt.
What I would really recommend is that you read up on how people deal with hard drug addiction, most notably heroin and cocaine, depending on how your son treats the game. There are a great many resources out there for people trying to help someone they love who is suffering from addiction. Be creative and be aggressive. It is never too late. All the creative things we've tried over the last 3 yrs have failed. As for being aggressive, you are the one calling me a terrible parent for coming to my last straw and trowing him out, aren't you?
my parents used to literally kidnap me for long weekends ..completely against my will. my addictions werent computer addictions, I just partied a lot and disengaged myself.
as much as I hated ..literally being told I had no choice in what I was doing on these weekends, I enjoyed the hell out of them. then again, you yourself need to be somewhat enjoyable to be around.
"If you want a picture of the future, imagine a robot foot stomping on a human face -- forever."
Well, infrared, this has certainly been interesting. It is late where I am and I have a class tomorrow for which I need to get ready (I hate working summer sessions.). Your attitude really bothers me, but there is nothing I can do for you, is there? I do wish you luck with your son, however. Like I said, look up information about hard drug addictions. They will be a good starting place for how to help your son. I know that sounds strange, but I have seen many kids screw up badly because of video games.
I would feel much better if you would just apologize for assuming you know whats going on in my home or that how i handled it was wrong. I have done a lot and my family has been though a lot to try and help him. I threw him out only as a last resort. Trust me. I will however check into your advise about information on addiction.
I for one never hit my children and never will. In my opinion, it is signs of weakness and lack of self control. Your child can interpret your “spanking” or “tough (physical) love” many different ways. In this situation, I would recommend using the three “R’s” rule. These are simply guidelines that will have to be altered to fit your personal situation. Remove The first this the mother should of done is simply remove the problem. In this case, unplug the computer. If you would be worried about the child turning the computer back on, take the computer power cord with you when you leave the room. Once you turned the computer off, remove yourself from the child’s room. Give time for everyone to cool off. Reflect After everyone is calmed down (still upset, but not needing to yell or say hurtful things), this is where you express your opinion on why it upset you and why you think what your child did was wrong. The reflect period is also for the parent. The parent should be always questioning themselves (i.e. should I be upset? Why can’t my child do that? Where would a compromise be?) Reconnect This is where you smooth things over. Everyone has their own way of saying, “Hey, it’s cool.” I won’t pretend to tell you all that I know the answers to this one. Experience with your own family is the only way to reconnect with 100% efficiency. What I can say though, if you did lose your temper (like this lady did), you owe your child an apology.
Are you serious? The poor woman didn't even yell at the kid, I guess things were different back in the day.. if that was losing her temper, my mom was a psycho lol
My daughter is almost two. I pray she doesn't grow up anyone near as bratty as this little punk. She better not date someone like him either or we'll REALLY be talking about a spanking!
At first I was amused, now after i listened to it twice I actually feel sad.
New type of gaming forms brings new types of problems, whole familys have to learn and adept. I feeels sad for that kid, not getting the point, I feel sad for he's parents who suddenly has to "parent" when their kid plays a game, suddenly there's no "pause" button or "save" button.. There totally unprepared for this.
And as many others have replayed, this could never happen in my home either, my kids now what to expect and would never get themselfes in a team/raid so close to bedtime, If they did they had to abort. The reason it's not an issue in my home is not my rules are different, but my rules are communicated and agreed on before my kids even log into a game.
Sometimes I think back on my first mmo's 10 years ago, there were no prepaid cards and almost noone you meet was underage.. I don't know.. Some times I wish I was back there..
Are you serious? The poor woman didn't even yell at the kid, I guess things were different back in the day.. if that was losing her temper, my mom was a psycho lol
My previous post was directed at some responses to the audio clip, not to the audio clip itself. I then explained what I would have done in the same situation. Again, for the people here.
Are you serious? The poor woman didn't even yell at the kid, I guess things were different back in the day.. if that was losing her temper, my mom was a psycho lol
My previous post was directed at some responses to the audio clip, not to the audio clip itself. I then explained what I would have done in the same situation. Again, for the people here.
He was asking so nice to play and said please and the mom is just being way to strict and harsh.
That's sarcastic, right?
Well yes and no.
Do you think the mom has any idea how hard it is to set up a 25 man and how long it takes to get it organized and stuff?
He said he never has done it before and he was all excited and the mom must be having pms or that new pmm,
because she was not showing any love or understanding at all.She wasn't even trying to compromise .
Maybe if she let him play a bit more he would listen to her once in a while,instead of demanding he do what he is told all the time.
Sometimes parents need to be understanding and see what maybe important to their child instead of trying to teach them a lesson.
I think the mom needs to watch a few episodes of Shalom in The Home or something.
Dude.... Really.... You've got to f**king be kidding me. I've been gaming since the early MUD days when we were dialing up our local BBS to play... I gamed a lot as a teen. I also played HS football, kept a 3.8 GPA.... And I had many 5+ hour game sessions. But everyone here is right. When the parents laid down the law and said it was time to be done, it didnt matter if you were 5 minutes away from finishing a 4 hour ordeal. You just sucked it up and logged off. Thats the way it was. If I would've kicked and screamed like that kid, I'd have gotten smacked upside the head, the cord wouldve been pulled out of the wall, and I probably wouldn't have touched my computer for another month by no choice of my own.
When I hear of things like this, it really frightens me how todays youth is being raised. Parents like that.... They let that kid bowl them over for a few minutes. And down the road they are going to blame all of the kids problems on WoW.... Wake up and smell the coffee guys... Thats just bad parenting overall.... yeesh!
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And blaming a computer game is idiotic at best since kids like this existed before computers.
A parent that has to be physical to prove a point more often than not, is doomed to failure anyway since he doesn't teach the kid anything other than creating a resentment a lot of times or just making it more respective and thus accept abuse from different sorts such as husbands/wives. Point blank, too much of anything and you don't help the kid. The point is to make the kid a thinking human so he can stand by himself not instill fear or whatnot.
The parents in the video possibly didn't check on their kid close enough for signs like depression,anxiety and a crap load of modern psycological diseases. Because the specific kid shows the signs of exactly that.
Healthy well adjusted kids they may get overly enthusiastic with internet games but rarely get hooked for more than a year or two unless other factors are involved such as introversion, shyness, depression. Those things can't be solved with a belt and they only get worse with that.
Lastly it is one thing to be firm and fair on your decisions at the kid and one being bordeline abusive. At the first the kid learns something most of the times at the second it just learns not to do it when the parent is around.
A friend is not him who provides support during your failures.A friend is the one that cheers you during your successes.
Very well said.... While I find other methods of punishment, I have spanked my children in the past. It is a last resort and ONLY if I feel that it is A. warranted, B. going to do something. I tend to use natural consequences and RL rules when it comes to discipline. I give my children respect, and in turn I get the same back. I just hope it remains that way when they become teens. I believe very strongly that you do not discipline until you have calmed down and can think rationally.
I just wanted to say that your analysis is very well said....
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I would like to see how some of you 20+ year olds would take it if someone pulled the plug on your raid in any game... There might not be tears but some punches to the wall.
He is addicted. As with any addiction, the best course of action is a cold-turkey style break from the object of the addiction.
If you dont hate me due to my bold statements, let me try and give you some ideas.
You could offer to take him back in under your wing under the condition that he stop playing WoW. (This is unlikely to work unless he has no job and really will be out on the streets soon.) There will, of course, be a period of anger towards you, but if he really is a good kid as you say that he is, he will come out of it and ultimately thank you for helping him.
If you dont object to tough love, and I dont think you do, you could get his account banned. If he loses all that work it might shot him back into reality.
You could take him back in and let him play, and from there you have several options open to you, some involving a keylogger, but those are mostly dishonest and I dont condone them.
The most important thing to remember at this point is that there will be real, serious conflict before he regains
What I would really recommend is that you read up on how people deal with hard drug addiction, most notably heroin and cocaine, depending on how your son treats the game. There are a great many resources out there for people trying to help someone they love who is suffering from addiction. Be creative and be aggressive. It is never too late.
"There are two great powers, and they've been fighting since time began. Every advance in human life, every scrap of knowledge and wisdom and decency we have has been torn by one side from the teeth of the other. Every little increase in human freedom has been fought over ferociously between those who want us to know more and be wiser and stronger, and those who want us to obey and be humble and submit."
John Parry, to his son Will; "The Subtle Knife," by Phillip Pullman
You are being very condescending. That says a lot about your upbringing.
As a father of three wonderful children I can tell you all this: there is a subtle balance between discipline and attention. When my kids act up, it's usually because they aren't getting enough of one or both. If I compensate for the lack then their behavior straightens up.
There is a big difference between spanking and beating.
Beating: This is when you're pissed off at your kid or something at work or whatever else and you take out your anger on your child. This represents a lack of self control and is (obviously) bad parenting.
Spanking: This is when you make a calculated decision to apply corporal punishment based on your belief that it will stem whatever disobedience your child is doing and prevent it from happening for a good long time. If you have to spank your kids often, you are doing it wrong and out of anger. A parent should never spank their child when they're angry. If they're angry, they should go cool off and decide if spanking will actually resolve the situation.
I agree that each child is different. I used to think that all kids would respond the same to the same discipline. This is most certainly not true.
I've got three kids who do what they are told without so much as a mutter or complaint. Why? Because they know where the line is and they know I love them. I spend time with my children and they *want* to keep me happy.
I think the biggest problem with the child in the audio is that he doesn't know where the line is or that there is no line at all.
I don't know why you think I am being condescending, but I have to say I agree with you about beating and spanking. However, spanking is very, very rarely the solution.
"There are two great powers, and they've been fighting since time began. Every advance in human life, every scrap of knowledge and wisdom and decency we have has been torn by one side from the teeth of the other. Every little increase in human freedom has been fought over ferociously between those who want us to know more and be wiser and stronger, and those who want us to obey and be humble and submit."
John Parry, to his son Will; "The Subtle Knife," by Phillip Pullman
Anyway I'd have paid alot of money to be on that vent and laugh so hard hahahahaa
You are a terrible parent. I can’t imagine what you did to raise him for twenty years such that all he can think about is a video game. Maybe you should think about that. What have you done to raise such a person. Kicking him out of the house isn’t going to make him a better person; it will only make his life harder. The only way you can make this better is by educating him about the world, and how to set priorities.
Though, judging from your syntax, you aren’t the most heavily educated person yourself. I feel like this is a large part of the problem. There are so many parents out there who have no concept of how to raise a child and no respect for the responsibility they have to that child. Like you, infrared, are blaming the child for this behaviour when his very nature has been determined by his life up to this point. You and the rest of his family, the way you have treated him, and the conditions of his childhood are what made him the man he is today. It is important to respect your children as human beings.
You are making a hell of a lot of assumptions. I have a degree in Aviation (A&P) minored in business and work for the federal government. (Pnuedraulics systems specialist) You are a narrow minded person if you think people don't change. Grow up. I show my children lots of love and educate them daily on what life is all about. Unfortunately, there are parents out there that can agree with me that even your children can change for the worse. Try to teach them something with understanding and an open mind. All you get in return is the all famous, " I know". In one ear and out the other. You can't make someone listen to you or make them do what you want. I have 2 other children, (6 and 13, both girls) that i need to think about. If you think i would stand by and let my 20 yr old son dictate to me how things should run in MY home, you're nuts. I gave him everything he needed with all the help in the world to advance in life. Sent him to college twice, dropped out both times cuz it cut into his WoW time. He became a disruption in my home and disrespected everyone. He became violent with his mother and his sister. As a father i know that i had to make the sacrifice to bring peace to my home, and for my other 2 children. You speak as if you think it was an easy decision to kick him out. It was the hardest thing i had to do. He was a good kid, played football in highschool, (went to all of his practices and all of his games) i WAS a proud parent. Then came WoW. over 3 years i watched as he became an ass. We can only do SOOO much. It was just like a drug addict. Only difference is there isnt a focus group for people addicted to WoW. Trust me i would have tried to send him there. People change. Don't you think i thought many time, "What did we do to him to deserve this? Where did we go so wrong?" It's not me or his mother, its him and only him, hes addicted to a fucking video game. And i did try to stop it everyday and tried to give him every benefit of the doubt. Because thats what parents do. Before you try and passing judgment on me, come live in my shoes for the last 3 yrs. Then tell me i was wrong. Until then shut up, and dont assume. It makes an ASS out of U and ME.
I made one assumption: that you were not heavily educated. As a professor of linguistics, however, this is less an assumption and more an educated guess based on a great deal of experience. I won’t claim you are lying because that would be arrogant of me, but I will say I am taking it with a grain of salt. Places like this are great for studying how the average person presents themselves through their words in a free setting. When I read essays, I can that the writers feel unable to express themselves freely. Here, people can say whatever they would like to, in whatever way comes naturally to them. That is one reason I spend so much time on forums such as this one; I am exposing myself to natural language. Even so, I have become able to judge a lot about a person’s character from their writing. You might say that the way in which you write on a forum is not representative of anything about you, but many people besides myself assert the obvious when a poster is clearly a child and is writing about things they cannot understand. It follows logically that if you can gauge a person’s age via their way of expressing themselves that you can gauge other things as well.
I maintain that you are a terrible parent. Kicking a child out when they have no other place to go is just wrong, even if they are twenty; it would be just as wrong if they were fifty. If you love someone you do not put them out on the streets. There is no excuse for taking that action.
What really bothers me, however, is that you feel that at twenty years old, WoW has had a greater impact on his development than you have had. You say that he was a good kid until he started playing WoW. It sounds to me like there was a lack of discipline in the house that became a problem when an addiction manifested itself. The same problem could have manifested itself in the form of alcohol or other drugs, sex, or any number of other things that can be addictive when no self-control is exercised.
What you did to deserve this was refraining from teaching your son self-control when he was young enough that he would have respected you enough to practice it, and/or refraining from fostering a respect for you in him such that he would listen to you when you came to him with this concern, and/or being rude about the WoW addiction and not treating him like a rational human being. Any or all of those things could be the problem, but the fact remains that as a child he was your responsibility. If he were much older I could see how he could have changed and that this is not your fault, but at twenty years of age the effects of his upbringing are readily apparent in his actions. I am sorry if you cannot see this, but this is as cool and logical as I can be about this. I was raised very poorly and it took me many years to get over it. As a result, I spend a great deal of my time trying to educate people about raising children. I just hope one person on these forums can learn from your mistakes, and that one child will be raised a more stable and happy person as a result.
Also, that last thing you said is asinine and trite. I lose a great deal of respect for people when they say it. I don’t think that matters much to you, given our relationship (or rather, general lack thereof) but perhaps you might refrain from being so rude. You might say I am making arrogant assumptions, but I am objective and polite in my speech. Presentation goes a long way.
You are still assuming and now you are my judge, jury and executioner. Your response is neither objective nor polite. You have no clue what my family has gone though in the past 3 yrs, so you assume. You have no clue how i have spoken to him or treated him, you assume again. Then you have the nerve to say im a terrible parent because i threw him out of the house. What about him. You make the whole thing out as it is my fault for who he is and who he has become. For a professor you sure dont know much about people do you? Take a Sociology class. As another poster has stated. I cannot control him, only offer guidance and assistance. He got involved with the wrong people that have influenced him. I CANNOT CONTROL THAT. CAN I? There are tons of outside influences that kids face and i cannot be by his side all the time to make sure he is doing the right thing. Peer pressure is a bitch and i did all i could to keep my son. He decided to go with his friends way of doing things. Lord knows its a lot funner than going to college and working, right? I tell my daughters all the time, "It's so easy to do the wrong thing, but it takes heart and courage to do the right thing." I DO NOT FEEL THIS IS ANY FAULT OF MINE. And you base this mainly on his age. So tell me, almighty professor of all things, what age is it ok to throw him out of the house? Or should i ask, how much do my family and I have to suffer before its ok with you to throw him out? He is welcome in my home at anytime. But he will NOT setup his computer in my home ever again. I still offer him help and guidance, but as long as his priorities are fucked up he will not live here. Are there things i may have done different? Sure, of course, everyone has some regret for something they could have done differently. But by no means would i consider myself a bad parent for doing everything i could for 3 yrs, and saving my other children from his violence, disrespect, and rebellious attitude. My younger daughters don't need to see the conflict between us. He will become a bad influence on them the longer he stays in my home. I am a 100 times better parent and father than any of his friends, probably cuz most of his friends dont have fathers. Hell hes not even my real son, hes my stepson. I've raised him since he was 5 years old. I still consider him MY son though. Even after everything that has happened I can still say he is MY son because i know that somewhere inside of him is the person i raised him to be. I have hope that soon he will find himself again.Anyway now to the point, people are confusing spanking with beating, which is awfully wrong, spanking a child is a good thing, beating is horrible and totally different.
I was spanked when I was a kid, but I was given trust and love, my mom would let me out and tell me at the time when I was supposed to be home, if I couldnt make it in time, I'd call.. If I just wanted to be a smartass she would notice and won't let me get out till the next week, that's how I learned.. Later in life I'd get home at the time they set, ofcourse they don't set times now, but I always thought of my mom as a friend, I'd tell her if I did something wrong.. And I love my parents and the way they raised me.. and now I'm someone who's beginning his career and I'll always thank them
And I agree with someone who posted before, my methos would be let him play all night, but let him know, no more WoW on the weekdays, and wake him up really early the other day, and tell him that what he gets.. If you catch him playing again on the weekdays, you just hide his computer away somewhere, that way he'll learn to respect your warnings.
i couldn't even finish it, if i acted like that kid when i was his age, i would've gotten a good spanking--even though by that age (i'm guessing around 15 or so) my parents had stopped spanking me as i was a bit too old for that sort of discipline, if i acted that way i'm pretty sure they'd have said if you're going to act like a child you'll be disciplined like a child and given me a good hard spanking, and then i'd have also gotten all computer privileges taken away for at least a month and possibly gotten the game taken away indefinitely also.
my parents weren't harsh, but they did discipline me when needed, and i'm actually very grateful that they did, it has made me a much more responsible adult.
my dad would have punched me in the mouth. my mom would have laughed and called me a pussy and then they would have dragged my ass out of the house on a camping trip or vacation on the beach somewhere. somewhere with them.. away from anything like the computer. then again.. there wasnt much of this back then, but they knew how to get me out of the house and with the family..and not completely disengaged.
what planet are some of you from? then again.. that was when I was a kid.. 20+ years ago. man what the hell is wrong with some of you..
"Ma----ahhh.." wow...
"If you want a picture of the future, imagine a robot foot stomping on a human face -- forever."
He is addicted. As with any addiction, the best course of action is a cold-turkey style break from the object of the addiction.
If you don’t hate me due to my bold statements, let me try and give you some ideas.
You could offer to take him back in under your wing under the condition that he stop playing WoW. (This is unlikely to work unless he has no job and really will be out on the streets soon.) There will, of course, be a period of anger towards you, but if he really is a good kid as you say that he is, he will come out of it and ultimately thank you for helping him.
Tried, it didnt work. Only took 3 weeks for him to relapse.
If you don’t object to “tough love,” and I don’t think you do, you could get his account banned. If he loses all that work it might shot him back into reality.
My tough love as you call it was throwing him out because all other avenues were tried over 3 yrs. And how am i supposed to get his account banned? He's 20 yrs old for Christ sake. You know its not beyond a child to sue their parents.
You could take him back in and let him play, and from there you have several options open to you, some involving a keylogger, but those are mostly dishonest and I don’t condone them.
Did this too. Set time limits, and he had to be off by a certain time every night. Worked for 2 weeks.
The most important thing to remember at this point is that there will be real, serious conflict before he regains
I know, and if you look at all my posts you will see i have always tried to give him the benefit of the doubt.
What I would really recommend is that you read up on how people deal with hard drug addiction, most notably heroin and cocaine, depending on how your son treats the game. There are a great many resources out there for people trying to help someone they love who is suffering from addiction. Be creative and be aggressive. It is never too late.
All the creative things we've tried over the last 3 yrs have failed. As for being aggressive, you are the one calling me a terrible parent for coming to my last straw and trowing him out, aren't you?
Well, infrared, this has certainly been interesting. It is late where I am and I have a class tomorrow for which I need to get ready (I hate working summer sessions.).
Your attitude really bothers me, but there is nothing I can do for you, is there? I do wish you luck with your son, however. Like I said, look up information about hard drug addictions. They will be a good starting place for how to help your son. I know that sounds strange, but I have seen many kids screw up badly because of video games.
"There are two great powers, and they've been fighting since time began. Every advance in human life, every scrap of knowledge and wisdom and decency we have has been torn by one side from the teeth of the other. Every little increase in human freedom has been fought over ferociously between those who want us to know more and be wiser and stronger, and those who want us to obey and be humble and submit."
John Parry, to his son Will; "The Subtle Knife," by Phillip Pullman
I for one never hit my children and never will. In my opinion, it is signs of weakness and lack of self control. Your child can interpret your “spanking” or “tough (physical) love” many different ways.
In this situation, I would recommend using the three “R’s” rule. These are simply guidelines that will have to be altered to fit your personal situation.
Remove
The first this the mother should of done is simply remove the problem. In this case, unplug the computer. If you would be worried about the child turning the computer back on, take the computer power cord with you when you leave the room.
Once you turned the computer off, remove yourself from the child’s room. Give time for everyone to cool off.
Reflect
After everyone is calmed down (still upset, but not needing to yell or say hurtful things), this is where you express your opinion on why it upset you and why you think what your child did was wrong. The reflect period is also for the parent. The parent should be always questioning themselves (i.e. should I be upset? Why can’t my child do that? Where would a compromise be?)
Reconnect
This is where you smooth things over. Everyone has their own way of saying, “Hey, it’s cool.” I won’t pretend to tell you all that I know the answers to this one. Experience with your own family is the only way to reconnect with 100% efficiency.
What I can say though, if you did lose your temper (like this lady did), you owe your child an apology.
He is addicted. As with any addiction, the best course of action is a cold-turkey style break from the object of the addiction.
If you don’t hate me due to my bold statements, let me try and give you some ideas.
You could offer to take him back in under your wing under the condition that he stop playing WoW. (This is unlikely to work unless he has no job and really will be out on the streets soon.) There will, of course, be a period of anger towards you, but if he really is a good kid as you say that he is, he will come out of it and ultimately thank you for helping him.
Tried, it didnt work. Only took 3 weeks for him to relapse.
If you don’t object to “tough love,” and I don’t think you do, you could get his account banned. If he loses all that work it might shot him back into reality.
My tough love as you call it was throwing him out because all other avenues were tried over 3 yrs. And how am i supposed to get his account banned? He's 20 yrs old for Christ sake. You know its not beyond a child to sue their parents.
You could take him back in and let him play, and from there you have several options open to you, some involving a keylogger, but those are mostly dishonest and I don’t condone them.
Did this too. Set time limits, and he had to be off by a certain time every night. Worked for 2 weeks.
The most important thing to remember at this point is that there will be real, serious conflict before he regains
I know, and if you look at all my posts you will see i have always tried to give him the benefit of the doubt.
What I would really recommend is that you read up on how people deal with hard drug addiction, most notably heroin and cocaine, depending on how your son treats the game. There are a great many resources out there for people trying to help someone they love who is suffering from addiction. Be creative and be aggressive. It is never too late.
All the creative things we've tried over the last 3 yrs have failed. As for being aggressive, you are the one calling me a terrible parent for coming to my last straw and trowing him out, aren't you?
my parents used to literally kidnap me for long weekends ..completely against my will. my addictions werent computer addictions, I just partied a lot and disengaged myself.
as much as I hated ..literally being told I had no choice in what I was doing on these weekends, I enjoyed the hell out of them. then again, you yourself need to be somewhat enjoyable to be around.
"If you want a picture of the future, imagine a robot foot stomping on a human face -- forever."
Are you serious? The poor woman didn't even yell at the kid, I guess things were different back in the day.. if that was losing her temper, my mom was a psycho lol
At first I was amused, now after i listened to it twice I actually feel sad.
New type of gaming forms brings new types of problems, whole familys have to learn and adept. I feeels sad for that kid, not getting the point, I feel sad for he's parents who suddenly has to "parent" when their kid plays a game, suddenly there's no "pause" button or "save" button.. There totally unprepared for this.
And as many others have replayed, this could never happen in my home either, my kids now what to expect and would never get themselfes in a team/raid so close to bedtime, If they did they had to abort. The reason it's not an issue in my home is not my rules are different, but my rules are communicated and agreed on before my kids even log into a game.
Sometimes I think back on my first mmo's 10 years ago, there were no prepaid cards and almost noone you meet was underage.. I don't know.. Some times I wish I was back there..
I'm sorry I misunderstood your post then
why does anyone care? I would have booted the little ass clown from the group for leaving an open mic.
Boot him? And miss out on the all the great "lols" to be had?
Well yes and no.
Do you think the mom has any idea how hard it is to set up a 25 man and how long it takes to get it organized and stuff?
He said he never has done it before and he was all excited and the mom must be having pms or that new pmm,
because she was not showing any love or understanding at all.She wasn't even trying to compromise .
Maybe if she let him play a bit more he would listen to her once in a while,instead of demanding he do what he is told all the time.
Sometimes parents need to be understanding and see what maybe important to their child instead of trying to teach them a lesson.
I think the mom needs to watch a few episodes of Shalom in The Home or something.
Dude.... Really.... You've got to f**king be kidding me. I've been gaming since the early MUD days when we were dialing up our local BBS to play... I gamed a lot as a teen. I also played HS football, kept a 3.8 GPA.... And I had many 5+ hour game sessions. But everyone here is right. When the parents laid down the law and said it was time to be done, it didnt matter if you were 5 minutes away from finishing a 4 hour ordeal. You just sucked it up and logged off. Thats the way it was. If I would've kicked and screamed like that kid, I'd have gotten smacked upside the head, the cord wouldve been pulled out of the wall, and I probably wouldn't have touched my computer for another month by no choice of my own.
When I hear of things like this, it really frightens me how todays youth is being raised. Parents like that.... They let that kid bowl them over for a few minutes. And down the road they are going to blame all of the kids problems on WoW.... Wake up and smell the coffee guys... Thats just bad parenting overall.... yeesh!