I know of a guild of 200+ that left WoW for Vangaurd....
Need I say more?
Hmm Yeah you do need to say more,i knew somebody was going to comment on this.Think you need to explore some more forums to realize it just isn't my guild who is leaving for one or the other..Yeah. Yeah, well forums like this also have ratings which ranks games like CoH and DaoC over WoW, even though their subscriber base is a fly compared to WoW, so that right there tells you not to take forums seriously when it comes to predicting a games popularity.
First, and not to be rude here, but your posts don't give the impression of an intelligent driving force behind them, so you really have no place lecturing us on MMORPG trends.
Second, you use nothing but common fallacies to back up your claims, such as presupposition, anecdotal evidence, and bandwagoning.
Now, with that out of the way, I think it goes without saying that any company who would rest on their proverbial laurels can find themselves being supplanted by another, more ambitious company. Thats the nature of a competitive market.
Is Blizzard worried about AoC and WAR? I doubt it. But I certainly think they would be foolish to not keep an eye on these games, and make sure that WoW stays competitive. The people who are worried are most definitely Mythic and Funcom. Not only are they going up against the juggernaut of WoW, but they are also going to be competing with each other, as well as the many other established MMORPG's in the market.
Well as i'm not going to take my time off to answer every single post sounding like einstein and posting 3 page reports with facts,i've made my point clear in the OP and i was looking after just hearing what people think..I think 200k beta signups in 2days pretty much clears it...And where do i lecture anybody in MMORPG Trends? I am posting my opinion as one does,Oh and this is the internet and a forum..Not a job interview i have no by means need to sound intelligent on an MMORPG forum..So please seriously stop trying to be the elder one here.
MMORPG's Under my belt:UO,EQ1,EQ2,SWG,L2,COH,COV,WoW,AC2,Shadowbane,DAOC,FFXI,GW,D&D,V:SOH,LOTR:O
Yeah, well forums like this also have ratings which ranks games like CoH and DaoC over WoW, even though their subscriber base is a fly compared to WoW, so that right there tells you not to take forums seriously when it comes to predicting a games popularity.
Well,just because something is rated higher then something else means it has to be more popular...Forums are a great way of getting predictions as many people express their opinions freely it's a great way to see what people currently think about the game,although it isn't all that reliable because a games success is usually based on how it launches.
MMORPG's Under my belt:UO,EQ1,EQ2,SWG,L2,COH,COV,WoW,AC2,Shadowbane,DAOC,FFXI,GW,D&D,V:SOH,LOTR:O
I know of a guild of 200+ that left WoW for Vangaurd....
Need I say more?
Hmm Yeah you do need to say more,i knew somebody was going to comment on this.Think you need to explore some more forums to realize it just isn't my guild who is leaving for one or the other..Yeah.Yeah, well forums like this also have ratings which ranks games like CoH and DaoC over WoW, even though their subscriber base is a fly compared to WoW, so that right there tells you not to take forums seriously when it comes to predicting a games popularity.
And food coinsures regularly rank other establishments higher then the most popular restaurant chain. Claiming that something is the best on the grounds it’s the most popular is a flat out logical fallacy, the conclusion does not follow logically from the argument.
To everyone else. If someone’s opinion, anyone’s opinion is to be of anyone’s opinion, is to be of any value to you, you need to consider the source. This site is typically frequented by western MMO fans that are veterans of multiple games and fans of the genre in general. They also lean towards the casual/semi-casual.
If you fit this description then there is a good chance the rankings on this site will provide you with a very useful source of information if you take some steps to understand the different sub-genre’s involved.
If you do not fit this description, then of course the rankings are not that useful to you. For example, say a fan of anything Blizzard, who loves the *craft series and doesn’t really care for MMO’s in general then you are better of going to a Blizzard fan site for your information and recommendations.
I believe that Blizzard Entertainment and Vivendi are both keeping a tight eye on the competition, not only AoC and WAR. I believe that both companies are planning a strategic release of either a. an expansion pack or b. a very large update in the game. It goes without saying that Blizzard will lose customers based on the release of several of the anticipated MMO's this generation, but will it put the nail in the coffin? I hardly think so, sure some will claim that World of Warcraft has become highly repetitive, especially in the end game. However, there are a lot of players who will claim otherwise and or have put a few years into their characters now and will more in likely not abandon them. Also, keep in mind that Blizzard keeps your character in their database so if you do choose to run off and try the newest wave of MMO's, you may find yourself returning and they are prepared to let you start where you left off.
Also, keep in mind that Blizzard has signed on to create World of Warcraft, the live action film. What happens when this movie starts to show previews on tv stations across the globe? Exactly, it's going to build advertisement to bring in more and more people who may have never have played an MMO in their life, or heard of Blizzard or the World of Warcraft. Blizzard is also preparing to release StarCraft II, which undboubtly will be successful. Blizzard is a very smart company and strategically has thought of all of this and then some, so to claim that WoW is going to break so soon is very naive and ignorant in my opinion.
The MMO market is growing and the games are too, the problem is that they are all very similar and there is little diversity between them. Blizzard will stay ahead in the market, it may fall due to newly released games for a few months at a time, but I believe that it will jump right back up after the novelty wheres off. It is possible, but not probable to see the all mighty WoW fall in battle this or next year.
It's huge, it has a strong base, but a lot of people will sample it or stop by when its convenient and move on to something else.
It's got pop culture impact, but not everyone will take a steady diet of it. They want something different. Others are happy with it and don't see a reason to change.
The MMO market IS saturated, but someone will come up with something truly 3rd Gen that will be successful (not as successful as WoW) but successful enough to capture some market share and build a niche, if the money guys will let them.
CH, Jedi, Commando, Smuggler, BH, Scout, Doctor, Chef, BE...yeah, lots of SWG time invested.
The MMO market is growing and the games are too, the problem is that they are all very similar and there is little diversity between them. Blizzard will stay ahead in the market, it may fall due to newly released games for a few months at a time, but I believe that it will jump right back up after the novelty wheres off. It is possible, but not probable to see the all mighty WoW fall in battle this or next year.
Agree kind of, blizzard better be on there toes and ready to duke it out, because if they don’t release something for there MMO (no matter how well SC2 does) they might loses the battle of the king of MMO but still be on top with another hit game.
Blizzard is HIGHLY known for only making 1 expack for their games. THATS IT. they may release a big patch with content but thats about it. I wouldn't be surprised if we never saw another expack for wow again. WOW is dieing no doubt about it. it was fun while it was good. "all good things must come to and end."
WoW will never "die". I can still resub every single MMORPG I've played. UO,EQ,EQ2,SWG,AO, etc etc. The playerbase for WoW is so large that they will profit even if new games come out.
WoW will only die is the developers decide to shut it down. (Which they wont as long as it turns a profit)
Blizzard is HIGHLY known for only making 1 expack for their games. THATS IT. they may release a big patch with content but thats about it. I wouldn't be surprised if we never saw another expack for wow again. WOW is dieing no doubt about it. it was fun while it was good. "all good things must come to and end."
WoW is bigger than anything Blizzard made before. There are bigger boys than Illidan.
Depending on market situation, Blizzard will probably make up to 3 other expansion packs, not counting major content patches. That would bring level cap to 100. Emerald Dream is untouched, Northrend also, Maelstorm, Mount Hyjal,... I wouldn't be surprised if they wake up the Old Gods. Enough content for 5 more years, at least. For all it's worth people will buy, play three months, then move on. But what they really need, is player-created content, more player-environment interaction (besides raiding).
More likely, it will stay a big theme park taking us for a ride. Ah, well,...
I think WAR and AOC will draw a lot of the PvPers away from WoW, but to say that something is going to kill WoW is assinine. WoW is a tremendous success and the simple release of another game will not "kill" it.
Speaking of failures, AoC seems cool, but has RYL combat mechanics (twitch game mechanics) and you play solo for the first 20 levels. That’s cool for the first time around, but what happens to all the alt junkies out there? Might be beyond repetitive for them. Then again, this is all hearsay because many of AoC’s systems are still in development.
Your alts dont HAVE to go through single player campaign, you can skip it if you want. Not sure if u can skip it if u r playing your first character though.
And WAR will be very short lived because WARHAMMER 40K (which many thought WAR was in the first place) will tower over WAR. Who wants an imitation when the real thing is around the corner?
I doubt it. Correct me if Im wrong, but Warhammer40K is a completely different type of game. RTS is not RPG, cant realy compete with each other.
Yeah, well forums like this also have ratings which ranks games like CoH and DaoC over WoW, even though their subscriber base is a fly compared to WoW, so that right there tells you not to take forums seriously when it comes to predicting a games popularity.
Well,just because something is rated higher then something else means it has to be more popular...Forums are a great way of getting predictions as many people express their opinions freely it's a great way to see what people currently think about the game,although it isn't all that reliable because a games success is usually based on how it launches. Well, forums aren't the BEST ways to get opinions about something specific, especially if those forums are specifically geared to a certain game (fan sites, official game forums, etc). Its like asking for opinions about pepsi from coca cola employees, of course the answers will be very opinionated and not accurate at all. Best way to know if the product is good or not is its subscription base (paying customers).
Since WoW has the largest paying player base, I doubt it will have any downfall any time sooner then 20-30 years. WoW's ingenuity is in its simplicity - any1 can start playing and having fun from level 1. And its casualness covers a huge circle of people - no 5 hour sitting LFGing or endless grinding of low level critters because your class cant solo all that well.
As its current player base ages and moves on to other games, the growing population will join in and start their own journey into the world of MMOs. Its a win-win situation.
Will WoW go down, no. The thing is WoW has done as well as it has because there lack of options at this point. Most MMO blow chunks, WoW is probably the best MMO out on the market. Can AOC and WAR go head to head with WoW, who knows. The fact is there going to have to have made a pretty impressvie game and they will have to have an almost flawless launch to be able to go head to head with WoW.
The problem with MMO is they have become stagnate, they have become less about content and story line and creativity and more about raiding. I think a lot of players are starting to wake up and are starting to get tired of every thing being centered around raiding. Is raiding fun, with out a doubt but like all things to much of something can ruin that thing. Right now WoW is it cause its the only thing out besides City of Heroes thats actually worth even playing.
AoC and WAR will come out and players will flock to it in hordes, this is the way it goes with MMO. In time players will go one of three directions, the first is some will head back to WoW, second some will head off and try other MMO or stop playing for a while, third is they will stay with WAR or AOC depending on what there playing. This is the way it goes. WoW sub numbers will go down, it was only a matter of time till it did. Will this kill WoW, not by a long shot.
Will any one be able to out do WoW in sub and sales in general, who knows. I remember every one saying the same thing about EQ, that no one would beat how much money EQ brought in, yet WoW has done it. So for any one to say that no MMO can beat WoW record breaking sales is just wrong, it wont be easy but it is possable.
I dont want WoW to sink; i wish the casual-kiddie-pet the ponnies-hopping people to stay there for Eternity-plus. I hope Blizzard has the techniques, the bussiness wise, the power to keep them raiding *insert here whatever the name of your fave or most hatred raid boss here* for a very long long time; we the gamers will have other MMOs that are incredibly better for us. Nothing to worry about. I wish the best for Blizzard and WoW, really
...I doubt it. Correct me if Im wrong, but Warhammer40K is a completely different type of game. RTS is not RPG, cant realy compete with each other.
Warhammer 40K is squad based board game, while Warhammer Fantasy Battles is platoon/company sized. Otherwise, rules are nearly identical. Games Workshop has line of games based on same core system adapted to each particular game. WAR is based mostly on Fantasy Battles, tho Fantasy RPG and several other GW products use same lore.
In similar line, 40k lore is used by sever products: Warhammer 40k, Epic, Necromunda, etc.
Therefore, WH40k MMO is viable. Of course, unless Bliizard decides to make Starcraft MMO.
I know WoW wont be going down, but like everyone said they will lose subscribers, BUT to me if they still want to keep going strong and keep players they need to create a new MMO because WoW is getting old...There will always be another mmo that will be popular, but if Blizzard makes a new mmo and better than WoW im sure they'll get players to join because Blizzard is a good company and can be trusted, theres not many companies out there that are like that...I personally wouldnt mind playing a Diablo mmo instead of the battle.net version, and im sure that if they can make it as good or even better and have good stories to the game there will be people coming...
They did it with WoW i know they could do it with a new MMO
I don't have any interest in these supposed WoW killers and chances are many other people don't either. Even if people do have interests in these games does that make them unable to subscribe to more than one MMO? No single game is gonna be a WoW killer. As the game gets old it will probly lose subs but it's gonna be around for a loooong time. WoW has introduced many people to the MMO market and alot of them may never play any other MMO, they'll just quit WoW when they get tired of it or they just may take a break and come back later.
In the end people who are looking for more then just PVE raids will move to other games. WoW PvP can only do so much as the entire game is PvE based so yes WAR or AOC if either of them are even as remotely as good as LOTRO is with PvE will draw PvP players away. Both WAR and AOC need a relatively smooth launch ala LOTRO to stand a chance though along with good and sound game play mechanics that are for the most part completed by launch.
Games I've played/tried out:WAR, LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, AoC, EQ1, EQ2, WoW, Vangaurd, FFXI, D&DO, Lineage 2, Saga Of Ryzom, EvE Online, DAoC, Guild Wars,Star Wars Galaxies, Hell Gate London, Auto Assault, Grando Espada ( AKA SoTNW ), Archlord, CoV/H, Star Trek Online, APB, Champions Online, FFXIV, Rift Online, GW2.
Wow is still best selling computer game this month
Wow: BC is still the 2nd best selling computer game this month.
Wow isnt going down and imo, still didnt reach its apogee. BC was O.K. but I think it was a strategic decision to release Northrend at the same time as War. Can we stop talking about AoC?! Ok thanks. Aoc is NOT promising. Look at everquest 2, vanguard, games that are too advanced graphically does not succeed.
Gods and heroes... is the biggest competitor for wow PVE, by far. Its made by Mr. Diablo 2, it will be very blizzard-ish.
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MMORPG's Under my belt:UO,EQ1,EQ2,SWG,L2,COH,COV,WoW,AC2,Shadowbane,DAOC,FFXI,GW,D&D,V:SOH,LOTR:O
MMORPG's Under my belt:UO,EQ1,EQ2,SWG,L2,COH,COV,WoW,AC2,Shadowbane,DAOC,FFXI,GW,D&D,V:SOH,LOTR:O
Also, keep in mind that Blizzard has signed on to create World of Warcraft, the live action film. What happens when this movie starts to show previews on tv stations across the globe? Exactly, it's going to build advertisement to bring in more and more people who may have never have played an MMO in their life, or heard of Blizzard or the World of Warcraft. Blizzard is also preparing to release StarCraft II, which undboubtly will be successful. Blizzard is a very smart company and strategically has thought of all of this and then some, so to claim that WoW is going to break so soon is very naive and ignorant in my opinion.
The MMO market is growing and the games are too, the problem is that they are all very similar and there is little diversity between them. Blizzard will stay ahead in the market, it may fall due to newly released games for a few months at a time, but I believe that it will jump right back up after the novelty wheres off. It is possible, but not probable to see the all mighty WoW fall in battle this or next year.
I view WoW as the McDonald's of MMOs.
It's huge, it has a strong base, but a lot of people will sample it or stop by when its convenient and move on to something else.
It's got pop culture impact, but not everyone will take a steady diet of it. They want something different. Others are happy with it and don't see a reason to change.
The MMO market IS saturated, but someone will come up with something truly 3rd Gen that will be successful (not as successful as WoW) but successful enough to capture some market share and build a niche, if the money guys will let them.
CH, Jedi, Commando, Smuggler, BH, Scout, Doctor, Chef, BE...yeah, lots of SWG time invested.
Once a denizen of Ahazi
Agree kind of, blizzard better be on there toes and ready to duke it out, because if they don’t release something for there MMO (no matter how well SC2 does) they might loses the battle of the king of MMO but still be on top with another hit game.
UO-EQ1-SWG-DAOC-WOW-EQ2-WAR-GW2-RIFT
WoW is here to stay for a long, long, long time.
The good old devs are making new games and that's a good thing.
Most of the devs working on Wow now are just old EQ raiders i think.
I think Blizz has so many fans and is so powerful that it doesn't matter.
For those of us still playing Wow,I think they will milk us all dry until they release their next big hit.
I still have 3 Wow accounts and play Wow everyday.
Even if Blizz hits rock bottom with Wow,they are the King of the MMORPG World.
Blizzard has never once made a POS game.
me /kneel ---->Blizzard
Blizzard is King forever.
maybe Funcom will be Queen
if AoC is as good as it might be.
WoW will only die is the developers decide to shut it down. (Which they wont as long as it turns a profit)
Doktar - 70 Troll Priest - Perenolde
Depending on market situation, Blizzard will probably make up to 3 other expansion packs, not counting major content patches. That would bring level cap to 100. Emerald Dream is untouched, Northrend also, Maelstorm, Mount Hyjal,... I wouldn't be surprised if they wake up the Old Gods. Enough content for 5 more years, at least. For all it's worth people will buy, play three months, then move on. But what they really need, is player-created content, more player-environment interaction (besides raiding).
More likely, it will stay a big theme park taking us for a ride. Ah, well,...
I think WAR and AOC will draw a lot of the PvPers away from WoW, but to say that something is going to kill WoW is assinine. WoW is a tremendous success and the simple release of another game will not "kill" it.
Did Coke fail when Pepsi came out? Of course not.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
Since WoW has the largest paying player base, I doubt it will have any downfall any time sooner then 20-30 years. WoW's ingenuity is in its simplicity - any1 can start playing and having fun from level 1. And its casualness covers a huge circle of people - no 5 hour sitting LFGing or endless grinding of low level critters because your class cant solo all that well.
As its current player base ages and moves on to other games, the growing population will join in and start their own journey into the world of MMOs. Its a win-win situation.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
Will WoW go down, no. The thing is WoW has done as well as it has because there lack of options at this point. Most MMO blow chunks, WoW is probably the best MMO out on the market. Can AOC and WAR go head to head with WoW, who knows. The fact is there going to have to have made a pretty impressvie game and they will have to have an almost flawless launch to be able to go head to head with WoW.
The problem with MMO is they have become stagnate, they have become less about content and story line and creativity and more about raiding. I think a lot of players are starting to wake up and are starting to get tired of every thing being centered around raiding. Is raiding fun, with out a doubt but like all things to much of something can ruin that thing. Right now WoW is it cause its the only thing out besides City of Heroes thats actually worth even playing.
AoC and WAR will come out and players will flock to it in hordes, this is the way it goes with MMO. In time players will go one of three directions, the first is some will head back to WoW, second some will head off and try other MMO or stop playing for a while, third is they will stay with WAR or AOC depending on what there playing. This is the way it goes. WoW sub numbers will go down, it was only a matter of time till it did. Will this kill WoW, not by a long shot.
Will any one be able to out do WoW in sub and sales in general, who knows. I remember every one saying the same thing about EQ, that no one would beat how much money EQ brought in, yet WoW has done it. So for any one to say that no MMO can beat WoW record breaking sales is just wrong, it wont be easy but it is possable.
Thats my opinion any way.
It is a question of fangs.
But that's nothing special, it will simply be outdated somewhen, leaving some core players in the game, but the majority of the MMO Zerg will go on.
Maybe some servers will merge...
But it definately has 2-3 years of relatively high population before it.
In similar line, 40k lore is used by sever products: Warhammer 40k, Epic, Necromunda, etc.
Therefore, WH40k MMO is viable. Of course, unless Bliizard decides to make Starcraft MMO.
I know WoW wont be going down, but like everyone said they will lose subscribers, BUT to me if they still want to keep going strong and keep players they need to create a new MMO because WoW is getting old...There will always be another mmo that will be popular, but if Blizzard makes a new mmo and better than WoW im sure they'll get players to join because Blizzard is a good company and can be trusted, theres not many companies out there that are like that...I personally wouldnt mind playing a Diablo mmo instead of the battle.net version, and im sure that if they can make it as good or even better and have good stories to the game there will be people coming...
They did it with WoW i know they could do it with a new MMO
In the end people who are looking for more then just PVE raids will move to other games. WoW PvP can only do so much as the entire game is PvE based so yes WAR or AOC if either of them are even as remotely as good as LOTRO is with PvE will draw PvP players away. Both WAR and AOC need a relatively smooth launch ala LOTRO to stand a chance though along with good and sound game play mechanics that are for the most part completed by launch.
Games I've played/tried out:WAR, LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, AoC, EQ1, EQ2, WoW, Vangaurd, FFXI, D&DO, Lineage 2, Saga Of Ryzom, EvE Online, DAoC, Guild Wars,Star Wars Galaxies, Hell Gate London, Auto Assault, Grando Espada ( AKA SoTNW ), Archlord, CoV/H, Star Trek Online, APB, Champions Online, FFXIV, Rift Online, GW2.
Game(s) I Am Currently Playing:
GW2 (+LoL and BF3)
Wow: BC is still the 2nd best selling computer game this month.
Wow isnt going down and imo, still didnt reach its apogee. BC was O.K. but I think it was a strategic decision to release Northrend at the same time as War. Can we stop talking about AoC?! Ok thanks. Aoc is NOT promising. Look at everquest 2, vanguard, games that are too advanced graphically does not succeed.
Gods and heroes... is the biggest competitor for wow PVE, by far. Its made by Mr. Diablo 2, it will be very blizzard-ish.
War is the biggest competitor for wow PVP.