If you think about it parents wont let little kids play the game because of the ingame nudity and the obvious mature content.
Therefor almost every person playing will be either mature teens or adults, kids will be forced out of playing the game by there parents.
This will for very first time in mmorpg's make the playerbase almost all mature older people.
No more little kids running around cursing and screaming and ruining game play for others.
I hope they put on the Box in very large letters "NUDITY" "18+" and "GORE" it will make any parent say hell no tot here stupid kids when they ask for it.
People under 18 won't get their hands on a rated M game? Where am I, bizarro world. Are parents consistantly, and regularly, policing the music, television, and games their kids experience, despite spending more and more hours out of the home? Did I miss a memo?
If you think ANY mmo will lack young teens, and IMMATURE teens (which isn't based on age), you're gonna be in for a shock. Stickers on a box don't do as much as you think.
Now, news reports, that's a different story (ie GTA). But, by then, its usually too late...the "kiddies" are there.
I'm almost sure there will be some kids on the game cuz they have stupid parents. but your right.. "responsible" parents wont let their chaps play.
i just hope ill be lucky enough to play with a mature playerbase. but then again... i try not to let dumb kids ruin my gaming experience. so we'll see
I find it quite harsh for you, someone that generalized that parents that let kids play this is are stupid. I'm 16 and I get to play games, even this one. I'm not as immature as some adults, or some teenagers i've met. Different situations bring out different personalities. Get your facts straight. It's like saying you NEVER been immature, like anyone would believe that. Even responsible parents will let their kids play, if they monitor them once in awhile. In-game nudity is not a big deal as if it was 5 years ago.
Teenagers don't need this kind of lame generalization from adults who KNOW nothing about us, just the surface of the "typical" teenager: rebellious, bitchy, irresponsible, and overall immature." I don't know what kind of teenagers you met online, but all the "kiddies" i met, are more mature than some adults i've met. So maybe you should go and get your facts straight because some adults are also immature, maybe even more immature than teenagers. So you should really get to know the facts first. And don't give me "I have a teenager.. blah blbah..." crap. For you are just trying to defend yourself with lame excuses.
I've been immature sometimes during games, when it allows me to. That may sound strange, but situations where you and your friends made jokes and then starts goofing off, it allows you too. But when serious events comes, such as questing, pvp, and just chatting in guild chat, it changes. It may be some shock to some people, but teenagers have LIMITS too :O.
Try and repsect teenagers to, for we will be adults alter, and we will follow this endless cycle of "god he/she is soo immature, god teenagers are stupid, god parents of this person should slap this kid" blah blah blah. Endless cycle, yes.
Good day.
Teenagers don't need this kind of lame generalization from adults who KNOW nothing about us <--- YES adults have never been teenagers... (sarcastic)
I've been immature sometimes during games, when it allows me to. <--- and... then? what is mature and what is immature, you already know? how can you know if you never been a "mature adult"? (just kidding)
Try and repsect teenagers to, for we will be adults alter, <-- and then you will blame teenagers who you will KNOW nothing about them
Anyway, I hope theres everything everywhere, but, is most possible that a kid of 16 years is immature, than, a guy with 27 years. So because this I still think its better get a game with no "stupid kids" (ok, you are not one of this mate, but, there are a lot) running around with all the puverty flowering up and making him a kind of "mature aggresive kid"... some kind of a guy that dont understand its "just a game" and games are for fun... you win nothing than some fun, no price to get more level than other.... etc... etc... etc...
The way things like nudity, alcohol and smoking in an MMO should be viewed from only one perspective: Is it's placement logical for the setting being portrayed ?
Logical:
An example would be, your character walks into a tavern at night, there are npc's drinking and smoking heavily and perhaps there are female dancers working for coin (either scantily clad or nude)....this is logical for the setting. This is crucial to the feeling of being "immersed" which is what we all want from an MMO.
illogical:
You are in town square looking for fellow adventures to group with and the blacksmith near you is scantly clad or partially nude....illogical.
It is the job of the ESRB to ensure the game is rated properly and with regard to whether or not kids will be subjected to something inappropriate is ENTIRELY the responsibility of the parents.
For one.. my facts are straight.. you misinterpreted my post. so your mature for you age?... gratz to you. i respect that..i wasnt directly talking about you. i have been immature when i was younger i don't deny that one second. i'm talking about the irresponsble parents who let their kids get away with murder.. those same kids are more likely to ruin some peoples gaming experience rather than someone mature enough to just enjoy the game.
There are several meanings to "responsibility" when it comes to parents and their kids. responsible parents prob wouldnt want their kids exposed to the game. irresponsible parents wouldnt give a crap what their kids do as long as if they left them alone. i have met my share if immaturity online and your right. there is just as much bad adults as there are teens. theres no way of telling that other than experience..
And no i'm not making up excuses for myself.. i dont have any kids and i dont want any cuz my friends have kids that get on my nerves. remember.. us "adults" were teens too.. so we know the mistakes we made and we learned from them and some of us pass along the lessons learned in hopes that we can make a better future for all. (well... not really)
You may think adults dont know anything about teens... but your sadly mistaken. they know more than you think. hence the reason why some adults are more immature than kids.
Fuck the world, for all its worth,Every inch of planet earth!
Great marketing. Go on, admit it, a little flash of teaser-boobies and you wanna see them in all their glory. As for it stopping kids playing, it will have a some effect but not as much as you may suppose (f'rinstance I always tried to get alcohol underaged, just like most lads). As a little aside, isn't the pretty girl thing been done to death these days, ever since those pornographic half-elfs on EQ? Call me sick, but I would like a little variety in my avatars. Just for something different, how about a 20 stone baggage with jugs like puppy dogs ears ? Heh, I bet if they posted an image of that then not so many people will be joining as a result.
If you think about it parents wont let little kids play the game because of the ingame nudity and the obvious mature content.
Therefor almost every person playing will be either mature teens or adults, kids will be forced out of playing the game by there parents.
This will for very first time in mmorpg's make the playerbase almost all mature older people.
No more little kids running around cursing and screaming and ruining game play for others.
I hope they put on the Box in very large letters "NUDITY" "18+" and "GORE" it will make any parent say hell no tot here stupid kids when they ask for it.
If you believe that you will probably also believe that people of the age to be able to legally buy tobacco and alcohol smoke and drink. And of out lawing gambling, prostitution, and drugs really works well doesn't it?
If anything the pixilated nudity will attract drooling basement dwellers who have never seen the real thing outside a strip club.
*sigh*, as if some of this stuff has ANYTHING to do with it being an enjoyable game to play. Somehow, I think this is an awful lot of focusing on the wrong stuff, however...
With the statement: "PS: One of the screenshots has been censored because unlike Age of Conan, this site is not rated mature! " So keep saying it's not in the game..... Either or guys, does this kind of stuff really matter all that much to you, I mean, in the scheme of things, will this be the determining factor on if it's a good game or no?
I'm not sure how seriously one should take that comment on the site. I mean if a virtual breast really calls for a rating then why is okay to show a guy being decapitated? If we (they actually) determine the breast is real enough to censor it shouldn't the same apply to violence? Doesn't really make sense to me, so, either they were kidding or there really is a similar amount of double standards as there was/is on tv.
For me this sort of nudity isn't a problem, but considering this is a MMO(nline) it's ridiculous making a fuss over it anyway, since anyone with half a brain can simply type in 'breast' into google or whatever and they'll come across far more explicit images. also many games have already been teasing with girls, so they might as well go a bit further. Lastly as a gamer I doubt we'll take notice of it after a while. l guess at first we'll see a bunch of funny pics taking with them ingame but once that wears off most will probably just moan about these b* and how they were taken 'down' by them, because they really look very wicked. I like 'em.
I doubt it'll give you a more mature playerbase, since the most kids are unlikely to tell their parents that they're playing a game containing nudity (in the US), or a lot of gore (in Europe), if it's a game they'd like to play.
oh come on, in Farenheit there was even a mini game in the Europes edition where you got to have sex with the redhead ex
if you were quick enough she orgasmed.
only got given a 16+ :-p
The reason they banned Manhunt 2 in the UK i agree with if you read the full statement given by the BBFC. *Shrugs*
but nudity appears in many games !! even naked little man in RAMPAGE.
As the BBFC has already stated, they can't stop parents buying these types of games for their children. However, they can stop giving out certificates to developers with a history of taking their games too far, such as Manhunt 2 has shown.
*shrugs* nudity isn't that much frowned upon in the UK, the hot coffee thing only made the press because the americans were up in arms.
Umm, I dunno, but I found that I rarely found actual 14 year olds in WoW (where I met the most People I didn't know, so I'll use it as an example). Really most people I met were at least 16 years old, only 2 People I met in Voice Chat were 13, out of hundreds of different people.
(I generally used Voice Chat in every Instance I went into)
So I dunno, age generally has no relation to maturity from my experience.
"I mean if a virtual breast really calls for a rating then why is okay to show a guy being decapitated?"
I completely agree with this comment. We play games all the time that show such graphic and gratuitous violence; but, if a breast is shown...egads! Get real. It's a breast. It's part of the human body. I will never, not ever, understand people who complain about such things but praise themselves for a critical hit that slays some PC monster.
I've two kids, I would -much- rather have to explain a breast then death. This is such a silly thing to focus on. Time for the time tested cliché....
It.....is.....a....game....
If you don't like breasts don't buy or play it; but, don't be critical of nudity and/or "mature players" when you in fact play a mature butcherfest.
If you think about it parents wont let little kids play the game because of the ingame nudity and the obvious mature content.
Therefor almost every person playing will be either mature teens or adults, kids will be forced out of playing the game by there parents.
This will for very first time in mmorpg's make the playerbase almost all mature older people.
No more little kids running around cursing and screaming and ruining game play for others.
I hope they put on the Box in very large letters "NUDITY" "18+" and "GORE" it will make any parent say hell no tot here stupid kids when they ask for it.
Yes because we all know that all adults are 'mature' especially ones that love nudity and gore ... *scoffs full of sarcasm* honestly a mature rating does not make the audience 'mature'. Being of age to play a mature rated game doesn't make you mature. The ERSB's use of the word mature relates to age only like being of 'age' to drink doesn't make you a 'responsible' drinker. It just means legally you can drink.
I think AoC is going to be a cool game its offering some cool stuff but I definitly don't think its mature rating makes it anymore special it just means there's more 'adult' themes involved than the simple watch a person fall over dead animation we see in Teen / Everyone rated games.
We'll still see plenty of "kids" because anyone thats ever worked in a mall sees plenty of kids under the age of 15 walking around by themselves with cash in hand to shop because their parents were in the store "across" the way. When I worked in a video game store when i was younger i'd have tons of kids 10 to 13 year olds coming in to buy games that were not appropriate. I'd ask to see & speak to their parents and 75% of the time those parents weren't even in the same area of the mall as them so I wouldn't sell it to them until they got their parents. While some parents were grateful there were plenty of others that were complete asshats. ERSB only works if parents, the mature responsible adults they're supposed to be would actually pay attention to it. I expect there to be tons of 'kiddie' annoying teenagers & adults in AoC, just not on the mass level of some games hopefully.
Originally posted by LiquidGroove "I mean if a virtual breast really calls for a rating then why is okay to show a guy being decapitated?"I completely agree with this comment. We play games all the time that show such graphic and gratuitous violence; but, if a breast is shown...egads! Get real. It's a breast. It's part of the human body. I will never, not ever, understand people who complain about such things but praise themselves for a critical hit that slays some PC monster.
I agree, I seriously can't see any logic where ripping of a womans head is better than ripping of her shirt...
The main reason for any game to use a mature rating:
When little Timm's momma wants to sue because she caught Timmy ogling bare breast, listening to foul language, and participating in realistically gory combat; she will be answered with "It is your job as a parent to watch what your child does. The game is clearly labeled to be of a mature nature and not intended for your little Timmy. Therefore, you have no case, ma'am. Perhaps you would like to continue the lawsuit anyway, and show yourself as an incompetant, neglectful parent?".
Hence, we get the mature game we want and don't have to worry about having to water it down for children who shouldn't be playing it in the first place.
Edit; There have been parental controls available to prevent access to the internet, specific programs, and such since the damn beginning of windows, just about. Parents need to learn who the leader of their house is and use them, so the rest of us can play our games in peace.
Nothing like having a bunch of overweight, middle-age guys fappin to pixels.
Being a overweight middle aged guy I was thinking it be more likely a overweight pimple faced teenager doing the fapping but neither is a pretty mental picture for sure.
I have to agree though a pixilated boobie no more offensive to me that blowing a pixilated persons head off with a sword.
"I mean if a virtual breast really calls for a rating then why is okay to show a guy being decapitated?" I completely agree with this comment. We play games all the time that show such graphic and gratuitous violence; but, if a breast is shown...egads! Get real. It's a breast. It's part of the human body. I will never, not ever, understand people who complain about such things but praise themselves for a critical hit that slays some PC monster.
I agree, I seriously can't see any logic where ripping of a womans head is better than ripping of her shirt...
Sure... your girlfriend must be really happy with you!
"I mean if a virtual breast really calls for a rating then why is okay to show a guy being decapitated?" I completely agree with this comment. We play games all the time that show such graphic and gratuitous violence; but, if a breast is shown...egads! Get real. It's a breast. It's part of the human body. I will never, not ever, understand people who complain about such things but praise themselves for a critical hit that slays some PC monster.
I agree, I seriously can't see any logic where ripping of a womans head is better than ripping of her shirt...
The logic is called American Puritanism.
A huge part of the population is brainwashed by sects and religious beliefs since childhood. Once adult it is alright to shoot someone in the head, but bare breasts in public are shocking. They can't accept that others think and live differently, so everyone attracted by the other sex is labeled as immature; whereas shooting and decapitating people is called mature.
Originally posted by judgebeo Originally posted by zido I agree, I seriously can't see any logic where ripping of a womans head is better than ripping of her shirt...
Sure... your girlfriend must be really happy with you!
You think she'd rather I ripped of her head than her shirt?
"I mean if a virtual breast really calls for a rating then why is okay to show a guy being decapitated?" I completely agree with this comment. We play games all the time that show such graphic and gratuitous violence; but, if a breast is shown...egads! Get real. It's a breast. It's part of the human body. I will never, not ever, understand people who complain about such things but praise themselves for a critical hit that slays some PC monster.
I agree, I seriously can't see any logic where ripping of a womans head is better than ripping of her shirt...
The logic is called American Puritanism.
A huge part of the population is brainwashed by sects and religious beliefs since childhood. Once adult it is alright to shoot someone in the head, but bare breasts in public are shocking. They can't accept that others think and live differently, so everyone attracted by the other sex is labeled as immature.
EY Guy! this is not correct, if you see tits, you do nothing for the country, if you grown in violence and gore, you will be a good marine, at least, if you grow up with fear, and weapons, this things are usual for you and its easy for the governement train you as a soldier, instead, if you grow up seeing tits you... you will be a good knower of human body, and there will be no way to brainwash you, I WANT YOU FOR ARMY, I DONT WANT YOU FOR SEX... so, gore is good tits are bad ... its ok, I never killed a man, but I touched some breast and think... usa is wrong, I preffer make love than war perhaps bush cant make love so he do war...
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People under 18 won't get their hands on a rated M game? Where am I, bizarro world. Are parents consistantly, and regularly, policing the music, television, and games their kids experience, despite spending more and more hours out of the home? Did I miss a memo?
If you think ANY mmo will lack young teens, and IMMATURE teens (which isn't based on age), you're gonna be in for a shock. Stickers on a box don't do as much as you think.
Now, news reports, that's a different story (ie GTA). But, by then, its usually too late...the "kiddies" are there.
I find it quite harsh for you, someone that generalized that parents that let kids play this is are stupid. I'm 16 and I get to play games, even this one. I'm not as immature as some adults, or some teenagers i've met. Different situations bring out different personalities. Get your facts straight. It's like saying you NEVER been immature, like anyone would believe that. Even responsible parents will let their kids play, if they monitor them once in awhile. In-game nudity is not a big deal as if it was 5 years ago.
Teenagers don't need this kind of lame generalization from adults who KNOW nothing about us, just the surface of the "typical" teenager: rebellious, bitchy, irresponsible, and overall immature." I don't know what kind of teenagers you met online, but all the "kiddies" i met, are more mature than some adults i've met. So maybe you should go and get your facts straight because some adults are also immature, maybe even more immature than teenagers. So you should really get to know the facts first. And don't give me "I have a teenager.. blah blbah..." crap. For you are just trying to defend yourself with lame excuses.
I've been immature sometimes during games, when it allows me to. That may sound strange, but situations where you and your friends made jokes and then starts goofing off, it allows you too. But when serious events comes, such as questing, pvp, and just chatting in guild chat, it changes. It may be some shock to some people, but teenagers have LIMITS too :O.
Try and repsect teenagers to, for we will be adults alter, and we will follow this endless cycle of "god he/she is soo immature, god teenagers are stupid, god parents of this person should slap this kid" blah blah blah. Endless cycle, yes.
Good day.
Teenagers don't need this kind of lame generalization from adults who KNOW nothing about us <--- YES adults have never been teenagers... (sarcastic)
I've been immature sometimes during games, when it allows me to. <--- and... then? what is mature and what is immature, you already know? how can you know if you never been a "mature adult"? (just kidding)
Try and repsect teenagers to, for we will be adults alter, <-- and then you will blame teenagers who you will KNOW nothing about them
Anyway, I hope theres everything everywhere, but, is most possible that a kid of 16 years is immature, than, a guy with 27 years. So because this
Logical:
An example would be, your character walks into a tavern at night, there are npc's drinking and smoking heavily and perhaps there are female dancers working for coin (either scantily clad or nude)....this is logical for the setting. This is crucial to the feeling of being "immersed" which is what we all want from an MMO.
illogical:
You are in town square looking for fellow adventures to group with and the blacksmith near you is scantly clad or partially nude....illogical.
It is the job of the ESRB to ensure the game is rated properly and with regard to whether or not kids will be subjected to something inappropriate is ENTIRELY the responsibility of the parents.
There are several meanings to "responsibility" when it comes to parents and their kids. responsible parents prob wouldnt want their kids exposed to the game. irresponsible parents wouldnt give a crap what their kids do as long as if they left them alone. i have met my share if immaturity online and your right. there is just as much bad adults as there are teens. theres no way of telling that other than experience..
And no i'm not making up excuses for myself.. i dont have any kids and i dont want any cuz my friends have kids that get on my nerves. remember.. us "adults" were teens too.. so we know the mistakes we made and we learned from them and some of us pass along the lessons learned in hopes that we can make a better future for all. (well... not really
You may think adults dont know anything about teens... but your sadly mistaken. they know more than you think. hence the reason why some adults are more immature than kids.
Great marketing. Go on, admit it, a little flash of teaser-boobies and you wanna see them in all their glory. As for it stopping kids playing, it will have a some effect but not as much as you may suppose (f'rinstance I always tried to get alcohol underaged, just like most lads). As a little aside, isn't the pretty girl thing been done to death these days, ever since those pornographic half-elfs on EQ? Call me sick, but I would like a little variety in my avatars. Just for something different, how about a 20 stone baggage with jugs like puppy dogs ears
? Heh, I bet if they posted an image of that then not so many people will be joining as a result.
All hail to King Conan
If anything the pixilated nudity will attract drooling basement dwellers who have never seen the real thing outside a strip club.
I miss DAoC
For me this sort of nudity isn't a problem, but considering this is a MMO(nline) it's ridiculous making a fuss over it anyway, since anyone with half a brain can simply type in 'breast' into google or whatever and they'll come across far more explicit images. also many games have already been teasing with girls, so they might as well go a bit further. Lastly as a gamer I doubt we'll take notice of it after a while. l guess at first we'll see a bunch of funny pics taking with them ingame but once that wears off most will probably just moan about these b* and how they were taken 'down' by them, because they really look very wicked. I like 'em.
I doubt it'll give you a more mature playerbase, since the most kids are unlikely to tell their parents that they're playing a game containing nudity (in the US), or a lot of gore (in Europe), if it's a game they'd like to play.
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oh come on, in Farenheit there was even a mini game in the Europes edition where you got to have sex with the redhead ex
if you were quick enough she orgasmed.
only got given a 16+ :-p
The reason they banned Manhunt 2 in the UK i agree with if you read the full statement given by the BBFC. *Shrugs*
but nudity appears in many games !! even naked little man in RAMPAGE.
As the BBFC has already stated, they can't stop parents buying these types of games for their children. However, they can stop giving out certificates to developers with a history of taking their games too far, such as Manhunt 2 has shown.
*shrugs* nudity isn't that much frowned upon in the UK, the hot coffee thing only made the press because the americans were up in arms.
(I generally used Voice Chat in every Instance I went into)
So I dunno, age generally has no relation to maturity from my experience.
I completely agree with this comment. We play games all the time that show such graphic and gratuitous violence; but, if a breast is shown...egads! Get real. It's a breast. It's part of the human body. I will never, not ever, understand people who complain about such things but praise themselves for a critical hit that slays some PC monster.
I've two kids, I would -much- rather have to explain a breast then death. This is such a silly thing to focus on. Time for the time tested cliché....
It.....is.....a....game....
If you don't like breasts don't buy or play it; but, don't be critical of nudity and/or "mature players" when you in fact play a mature butcherfest.
Yes because we all know that all adults are 'mature' especially ones that love nudity and gore ... *scoffs full of sarcasm* honestly a mature rating does not make the audience 'mature'. Being of age to play a mature rated game doesn't make you mature. The ERSB's use of the word mature relates to age only like being of 'age' to drink doesn't make you a 'responsible' drinker. It just means legally you can drink.
I think AoC is going to be a cool game its offering some cool stuff but I definitly don't think its mature rating makes it anymore special it just means there's more 'adult' themes involved than the simple watch a person fall over dead animation we see in Teen / Everyone rated games.
We'll still see plenty of "kids" because anyone thats ever worked in a mall sees plenty of kids under the age of 15 walking around by themselves with cash in hand to shop because their parents were in the store "across" the way. When I worked in a video game store when i was younger i'd have tons of kids 10 to 13 year olds coming in to buy games that were not appropriate. I'd ask to see & speak to their parents and 75% of the time those parents weren't even in the same area of the mall as them so I wouldn't sell it to them until they got their parents. While some parents were grateful there were plenty of others that were complete asshats. ERSB only works if parents, the mature responsible adults they're supposed to be would actually pay attention to it. I expect there to be tons of 'kiddie' annoying teenagers & adults in AoC, just not on the mass level of some games hopefully.
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I agree, I seriously can't see any logic where ripping of a womans head is better than ripping of her shirt...
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The main reason for any game to use a mature rating:
When little Timm's momma wants to sue because she caught Timmy ogling bare breast, listening to foul language, and participating in realistically gory combat; she will be answered with "It is your job as a parent to watch what your child does. The game is clearly labeled to be of a mature nature and not intended for your little Timmy. Therefore, you have no case, ma'am. Perhaps you would like to continue the lawsuit anyway, and show yourself as an incompetant, neglectful parent?".
Hence, we get the mature game we want and don't have to worry about having to water it down for children who shouldn't be playing it in the first place.
Edit; There have been parental controls available to prevent access to the internet, specific programs, and such since the damn beginning of windows, just about. Parents need to learn who the leader of their house is and use them, so the rest of us can play our games in peace.
I have to agree though a pixilated boobie no more offensive to me that blowing a pixilated persons head off with a sword.
I miss DAoC
I agree, I seriously can't see any logic where ripping of a womans head is better than ripping of her shirt...
Sure...
I agree, I seriously can't see any logic where ripping of a womans head is better than ripping of her shirt...
The logic is called American Puritanism.
A huge part of the population is brainwashed by sects and religious beliefs since childhood. Once adult it is alright to shoot someone in the head, but bare breasts in public are shocking. They can't accept that others think and live differently, so everyone attracted by the other sex is labeled as immature; whereas shooting and decapitating people is called mature.
Sure...
your girlfriend must be really happy with you! 
You think she'd rather I ripped of her head than her shirt?
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I agree, I seriously can't see any logic where ripping of a womans head is better than ripping of her shirt...
The logic is called American Puritanism.
A huge part of the population is brainwashed by sects and religious beliefs since childhood. Once adult it is alright to shoot someone in the head, but bare breasts in public are shocking. They can't accept that others think and live differently, so everyone attracted by the other sex is labeled as immature.
EY Guy! this is not correct, if you see tits, you do nothing for the country, if you grown in violence and gore, you will be a good marine, at least, if you grow up with fear, and weapons, this things are usual for you and its easy for the governement train you as a soldier, instead, if you grow up seeing tits you... you will be a good knower of human body, and there will be no way to brainwash you, I WANT YOU FOR ARMY, I DONT WANT YOU FOR SEX...
Sure...
your girlfriend must be really happy with you! 
You think she'd rather I ripped of her head than her shirt?
Try it
If you never ripped her head how you know she will like it? eh?
So I think she is more happy when you rippe out her shirt