okay, first off, I had the same experiance as sarge123 did. And no your all wrong. your SUPPOSED to make a judgement about a game before it comes out or else they wouldnt be advertising the bloody game!!! And as for the whole "mature" part, I just read this forum as all of you ate at sarge like vultures and one of even admitted to being one of the "mature" fans and you just totally stomped him out. how is that mature??? And also, I have to agree, the game doesnt even look like all that. And also, I think some people agree because out of he 50 people that looked at this forum, only a few stood up and defended the game. So in your attempts to make the game look better, you have only made it look less..."mature". and thats my slice of realality.
Did you actually read the post he made? I pointed out exaclty what happened on the official boards and he didn't argue anything of it. What we all here did is saying he shouldn't say a game will fail when he didn't even played it yet. I didn't flame, I didn't rant, I just pointed some stuff out where the OP failed to react on in any which way.
I for one do think PE is doing an excellent job. They're delivering a solid game which will be actually finished and playable till the end. Of course it's to bad there isn't any PvP or crafting at launch(Although there will be a PvP server, but there's no ruleset for this server yet so we don't know how they're gonna manage that). And some people just don't like that. Well, don't play it then and start playing when it's in eventually.
This still doesn't change the fact that the OP did nothing to back up his flawed story.
Maybe I should assume some more here, beacuse this kind of ignorance really gets on my nerves. Did you actually registered to the boards to react on this thread or are you the same guy?
So, using your philosophy towards unreleased games, you could also say: "Star Trek Online sucks" "World of Starcraft will fail" "SWG2 is horrible" These statements make no sense...because you haven't played them. Watching umpteen videos and reading posts in an open forum will never give you a proper view of a game in closed beta. The "Core Testers" for G&H have their own private forum to discuss the game with each other and the developers. Details can't be discussed elsewhere, so what you've read is heresay.
You know I agree with you 100 percent, but then I think back to what people were saying about Vanguard and how horrible it was.. and they were right. I am starting to wonder if there are some leaks in some of these games of information? Or something of that nature.
Anyway, I ... like most of my experienced friends here, make their own decision on what to play and what not to play. What you may hate, dispise etc... others love. Its just the nature of the beast. To each his/her own.
okay, first off, I had the same experiance as sarge123 did. And no your all wrong. your SUPPOSED to make a judgement about a game before it comes out or else they wouldnt be advertising the bloody game!!! And as for the whole "mature" part, I just read this forum as all of you ate at sarge like vultures and one of even admitted to being one of the "mature" fans and you just totally stomped him out. how is that mature??? And also, I have to agree, the game doesnt even look like all that. And also, I think some people agree because out of he 50 people that looked at this forum, only a few stood up and defended the game. So in your attempts to make the game look better, you have only made it look less..."mature". and thats my slice of realality.
Did you actually read the post he made? I pointed out exaclty what happened on the official boards and he didn't argue anything of it. What we all here did is saying he shouldn't say a game will fail when he didn't even played it yet. I didn't flame, I didn't rant, I just pointed some stuff out where the OP failed to react on in any which way.
I for one do think PE is doing an excellent job. They're delivering a solid game which will be actually finished and playable till the end. Of course it's to bad there isn't any PvP or crafting at launch(Although there will be a PvP server, but there's no ruleset for this server yet so we don't know how they're gonna manage that). And some people just don't like that. Well, don't play it then and start playing when it's in eventually.
This still doesn't change the fact that the OP did nothing to back up his flawed story.
Maybe I should assume some more here, beacuse this kind of ignorance really gets on my nerves. Did you actually registered to the boards to react on this thread or are you the same guy?
no! why would I be the firt guy!? I wrote my posts based on MY reactions
Originally posted by Bzrk
Originally posted by capedbandit
okay, first off, I had the same experiance as sarge123 did. And no your all wrong. your SUPPOSED to make a judgement about a game before it comes out or else they wouldnt be advertising the bloody game!!! And as for the whole "mature" part, I just read this forum as all of you ate at sarge like vultures and one of even admitted to being one of the "mature" fans and you just totally stomped him out. how is that mature??? And also, I have to agree, the game doesnt even look like all that. And also, I think some people agree because out of he 50 people that looked at this forum, only a few stood up and defended the game. So in your attempts to make the game look better, you have only made it look less..."mature". and thats my slice of realality.
Did you actually read the post he made? I pointed out exaclty what happened on the official boards and he didn't argue anything of it. What we all here did is saying he shouldn't say a game will fail when he didn't even played it yet. I didn't flame, I didn't rant, I just pointed some stuff out where the OP failed to react on in any which way.
I for one do think PE is doing an excellent job. They're delivering a solid game which will be actually finished and playable till the end. Of course it's to bad there isn't any PvP or crafting at launch(Although there will be a PvP server, but there's no ruleset for this server yet so we don't know how they're gonna manage that). And some people just don't like that. Well, don't play it then and start playing when it's in eventually.
This still doesn't change the fact that the OP did nothing to back up his flawed story.
Maybe I should assume some more here, beacuse this kind of ignorance really gets on my nerves. Did you actually registered to the boards to react on this thread or are you the same guy?
why do people keep judging games before they are even released?
If a game is lacking crafting and someone likes crafting they shouldn't voice their displeasure?
If a game has features a player knows they don't like because they have experienced the same features in another game they shouldn't criticize?
If game producers talk more about future features and additions one shouldn't be concerned?
It's perfectly reasonable to judge a game based on it's current form. Your attitude is that Beta testers shouldn't form opinions?
If a game has no Crafting and you like crafting, yes. You should make a decision that this game is not for you. That does not include bashing it to high heaven every chance you get. Just find another game that has crafting. Suggest that crafting should be implemented. This "No Crafting?!?!? WTF?!?!? This game already SuX0rs" stuff is ridiculous and counter productive.
Same thing about other features. This is the way the games industry beast works. You have to use other features of games. There are always going to be features that you don't like. If it is really a problem, find another game.
If a game is in the Beta stage and it is mostly getting rid of bugs for the final release, then no, you shouldn't be worried. They are talking about what they are going to add. Be happy they focused on one thing, made sure they got it right for launch, and then are adding more. Some games don't and they don't launch well.
Judge a game, yes. This guy is bashing a game he has never played, not make observations from the video. I mean, he already told us what we are going to expect from over 2000 quests! Not to mention he goes on to bash not just the game but people and moderators about not being mature when he admits he is doing this because his thread got deleted.
This isn't judgement, this is "facts" based in no reality. I don't go around claiming to know WAR will suck and what all the quests are going to be like because I have watched a few videos. This kind of behavior should really stop.
Ok thx to every 1 who supported or not supported me in this thread.
I m gonna point at something and maybe ull see it :
Its very well known that most pple have 0 tolerance to radical ideas, or if some 1 steps in their comfort zone( in this case GH and my post how bad it is). Here is a few things, here in US( do not know how it is in other countries) we have freedom of speech, so sh..t like " this kind behavior should really stop, or lock this message" just does not fly here.My recent thread caused a lot of emotions in fan group and has the most posts in gen discussion, for the last several month. (check it if u want)
Since yesterday it kicked gh to second place in anticipation( so u fans are in debt).Now my personal ideas about the game should not influence u., u accept them or not thats all it is, u r free to post your own.
Bashing or not its none of your business, just dont be rude if u dissagree. thats why its called forum where u can express anything u want and not to be stoned.
There are things about this game I wish they'd change, and other things that they don't plan to include right away, and I've voiced my concern about all of it on their forums. None of my threads or posts have been locked or deleted, you simply don't have to act like a child to make your point.
Why are you 3 [looks like the same 3 people] bashing this guy for posting what I read as an eloquent and logical progression to a conclusion.
1. he mentioned there aren't mounts
2. he mentioned no crafting
3. he mentioned no overall continuous game story
4. he mention no pvp
So what's the problem with his post? I don't get you all bashing him at all. He said the graphics looked great, i agree with him on that, i like da shinys. But from my stand point I couldn't see what was IN the game, and the classes seemed ... a bit off?
It leads me to conclude that the 3 guys bashing the OP are employees of the company [one seems to admit it] So your opinions are all null and void.
It takes more than just a pretty game to make a game successful these days [vanguard hello]
None of you 3 fanboys have disproved any of the points he made. And, before you say, OH we pointed out a,b,c,... all those things were ... "in the making" how much will it suck when for the first 3 months there's no mounts [people will quit on day 3, especially the powergamers] no mounts that crap gets old QUICK. ok no crafting? the whole point of RPG is that there's a progression of the character, crafting gives a player a sense of impacting the game and progressing personally. it's ridiculous not to have crafting in a game these days.
You flaming the OP and saying stuff like don't feed the trolls makes it more apparent that you yourselves are the trolls.
Why are you 3 [looks like the same 3 people] bashing this guy for posting what I read as an eloquent and logical progression to a conclusion. 1. he mentioned there aren't mounts 2. he mentioned no crafting 3. he mentioned no overall continuous game story 4. he mention no pvp
So what's the problem with his post? I don't get you all bashing him at all. He said the graphics looked great, i agree with him on that, i like da shinys. But from my stand point I couldn't see what was IN the game, and the classes seemed ... a bit off?
It leads me to conclude that the 3 guys bashing the OP are employees of the company [one seems to admit it] So your opinions are all null and void.
It takes more than just a pretty game to make a game successful these days [vanguard hello]
None of you 3 fanboys have disproved any of the points he made. And, before you say, OH we pointed out a,b,c,... all those things were ... "in the making" how much will it suck when for the first 3 months there's no mounts [people will quit on day 3, especially the powergamers] no mounts that crap gets old QUICK. ok no crafting? the whole point of RPG is that there's a progression of the character, crafting gives a player a sense of impacting the game and progressing personally. it's ridiculous not to have crafting in a game these days.
You flaming the OP and saying stuff like don't feed the trolls makes it more apparent that you yourselves are the trolls.
The OP violated the NDA. He broke a contract he entered into with PE. Your ad hominem attacks on people that disagree with kids who take closed beta spots and then can't even follow the most simple rules gives a great deal of insight into your morality. I've never played the game. I only know about the game from my own research. I don't even think I'll play this game if AoC or PoTBS comes out before it's released, why don't you go ahead and tell me what a "fanboi" I am because I feel nothing but disgust for people who violate contractual obligations because one of their posts were deleted. Yes, your opinion on this subject isn't "null and void", because you somehow think that the OP's inability to follow PE's forum rules coupled with his criminal activities on these boards is some how "logical and eloquent". Oh, and the tinfoil hat conspiracy theories about 'paid employees" who come to these boards is also cute, in a very mentally disturbing way.
Perhaps you have a monumental ignorance of the development cycle? Here, let me explain. Most mmorpg's suffer from an issue known as "feature creep", what this means is, as a game gets further and further into development, practical experience will often reveal new, more efficeint, or even more "fun" ways of implementing certain things. This, coupled unforeseen issues arise that take time away from development of intended features to correct. This is a balancing act that the companies must maintain. They cannot put their game on hold indefinitely, at some point it must be released. However, astute observation on how games that don't have promised features at release lose their player bases on the 3rd day. Look at WoW, 3 years later and no hero classes. Look at the failure of EQ 1 in the first 3 days (or the first month, since that's how long it took them to put in +35th level spells). Yeah, you're a regular genius when it comes to understanding the mind of the average gamer.
/I joined MMORPG back in '04 because I used my psychic powers to realized I'd be hired by SoE to shill for a game that wasn't even in development at the time. Don't worry about those black helicopters over your house, it's just the illuminati sent by the tri-lateral commision.
Originally posted by serg123 Here is a few things, here in US( do not know how it is in other countries) we have freedom of speech, so sh..t like " this kind behavior should really stop, or lock this message" just does not fly here.
Think again my friend. When you are posting on an internet forum (including MMORPG.com), you are within a private establishment. While you may have been invited or came in through an "open door", that does not mean you have "rights". You only have privileges at best. Yes, those privileges can be revoked at anytime.
The first amendment (freedom of speech/press) has no jurisdiction within a private establishment.
I've been apart of GnH for almost a year now. Dude you have no idea!
I can't really say any more than that, but really my friend if I were you I would go over to AoC or Warhammer. If you dislike the game so be it, I really don't give a damn what YOU think is best. I can just tell you this, if there is one game that is going to make it this year this one is it. And you don't need to be a gamer to know that, just look at how many people are already hyped about this game...can you say 100k easy?
I'm sorry to be a ass hole here, but I really hope you don't play this game. You kind of remind me of one of those oversexed teeny's in WoW, and I've had enough Barrnes chat to last me a life time, I don't need any more. So go to some other game, it's really not a big deal what you think...I sure don't care
1st of all where is a magic 100 k number came from?
2nd i do not know how many pple are hyped about this game but for some reason it cannot kick even 3rd place from the bottom in anticipation on this site, for the last 6 month so u have no idea what u r talking about
3rd u r the one that reminds me that teenager that u mentioned
1st of all where is a magic 100 k number came from? 2nd i do not know how many pple are hyped about this game but for some reason it cannot kick even 3rd place from the bottom in anticipation on this site, for the last 6 month so u have no idea what u r talking about 3rd u r the one that reminds me that teenager that u mentioned No hard feelings my friend. Its sad but true...
Wow, he doesn't need to back up his prediction... srsly, if he thinks it will only hit 100k, thats his problem.
You're right about the second thing though since every MMO player visits MMORPG.com, reads about every game, and hypes it according to how fun they think it will be.
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and I want a million dollars! doesnt mean I get it though now does it?
zy capedbandit
ok just watch the video it will prove your rants wrong.
I for one do think PE is doing an excellent job. They're delivering a solid game which will be actually finished and playable till the end. Of course it's to bad there isn't any PvP or crafting at launch(Although there will be a PvP server, but there's no ruleset for this server yet so we don't know how they're gonna manage that). And some people just don't like that. Well, don't play it then and start playing when it's in eventually.
This still doesn't change the fact that the OP did nothing to back up his flawed story.
Maybe I should assume some more here, beacuse this kind of ignorance really gets on my nerves. Did you actually registered to the boards to react on this thread or are you the same guy?
You know I agree with you 100 percent, but then I think back to what people were saying about Vanguard and how horrible it was.. and they were right. I am starting to wonder if there are some leaks in some of these games of information? Or something of that nature.
Anyway, I ... like most of my experienced friends here, make their own decision on what to play and what not to play. What you may hate, dispise etc... others love. Its just the nature of the beast. To each his/her own.
I for one do think PE is doing an excellent job. They're delivering a solid game which will be actually finished and playable till the end. Of course it's to bad there isn't any PvP or crafting at launch(Although there will be a PvP server, but there's no ruleset for this server yet so we don't know how they're gonna manage that). And some people just don't like that. Well, don't play it then and start playing when it's in eventually.
This still doesn't change the fact that the OP did nothing to back up his flawed story.
Maybe I should assume some more here, beacuse this kind of ignorance really gets on my nerves. Did you actually registered to the boards to react on this thread or are you the same guy?
same guy
no! why would I be the firt guy!? I wrote my posts based on MY reactions
Did you actually read the post he made? I pointed out exaclty what happened on the official boards and he didn't argue anything of it. What we all here did is saying he shouldn't say a game will fail when he didn't even played it yet. I didn't flame, I didn't rant, I just pointed some stuff out where the OP failed to react on in any which way.I for one do think PE is doing an excellent job. They're delivering a solid game which will be actually finished and playable till the end. Of course it's to bad there isn't any PvP or crafting at launch(Although there will be a PvP server, but there's no ruleset for this server yet so we don't know how they're gonna manage that). And some people just don't like that. Well, don't play it then and start playing when it's in eventually.
This still doesn't change the fact that the OP did nothing to back up his flawed story.
Maybe I should assume some more here, beacuse this kind of ignorance really gets on my nerves. Did you actually registered to the boards to react on this thread or are you the same guy?
zy capedbandit
Capedbandit
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'Nuff said.
holy crap. go ahead, compare our IP adreses!
zy capedbandit
If a game is lacking crafting and someone likes crafting they shouldn't voice their displeasure?
If a game has features a player knows they don't like because they have experienced the same features in another game they shouldn't criticize?
If game producers talk more about future features and additions one shouldn't be concerned?
It's perfectly reasonable to judge a game based on it's current form. Your attitude is that Beta testers shouldn't form opinions?
thats exactly what I was saying in my other post! This is why they even bother building these bloody game trailers!
If a game is lacking crafting and someone likes crafting they shouldn't voice their displeasure?
If a game has features a player knows they don't like because they have experienced the same features in another game they shouldn't criticize?
If game producers talk more about future features and additions one shouldn't be concerned?
It's perfectly reasonable to judge a game based on it's current form. Your attitude is that Beta testers shouldn't form opinions?
zy capedbandit
If a game is lacking crafting and someone likes crafting they shouldn't voice their displeasure?
If a game has features a player knows they don't like because they have experienced the same features in another game they shouldn't criticize?
If game producers talk more about future features and additions one shouldn't be concerned?
It's perfectly reasonable to judge a game based on it's current form. Your attitude is that Beta testers shouldn't form opinions?
If a game has no Crafting and you like crafting, yes. You should make a decision that this game is not for you. That does not include bashing it to high heaven every chance you get. Just find another game that has crafting. Suggest that crafting should be implemented. This "No Crafting?!?!? WTF?!?!? This game already SuX0rs" stuff is ridiculous and counter productive.
Same thing about other features. This is the way the games industry beast works. You have to use other features of games. There are always going to be features that you don't like. If it is really a problem, find another game.
If a game is in the Beta stage and it is mostly getting rid of bugs for the final release, then no, you shouldn't be worried. They are talking about what they are going to add. Be happy they focused on one thing, made sure they got it right for launch, and then are adding more. Some games don't and they don't launch well.
Judge a game, yes. This guy is bashing a game he has never played, not make observations from the video. I mean, he already told us what we are going to expect from over 2000 quests! Not to mention he goes on to bash not just the game but people and moderators about not being mature when he admits he is doing this because his thread got deleted.
This isn't judgement, this is "facts" based in no reality. I don't go around claiming to know WAR will suck and what all the quests are going to be like because I have watched a few videos. This kind of behavior should really stop.
Ok thx to every 1 who supported or not supported me in this thread.
I m gonna point at something and maybe ull see it :
Its very well known that most pple have 0 tolerance to radical ideas, or if some 1 steps in their comfort zone( in this case GH and my post how bad it is). Here is a few things, here in US( do not know how it is in other countries) we have freedom of speech, so sh..t like " this kind behavior should really stop, or lock this message" just does not fly here.My recent thread caused a lot of emotions in fan group and has the most posts in gen discussion, for the last several month. (check it if u want)
Since yesterday it kicked gh to second place in anticipation( so u fans are in debt).Now my personal ideas about the game should not influence u., u accept them or not thats all it is, u r free to post your own.
Bashing or not its none of your business, just dont be rude if u dissagree. thats why its called forum where u can express anything u want and not to be stoned.
haha, any way nice to talk...
LOL, nice work serg, i'm so not playing this game now, can't believe how blind i've been.
omfg the most logical thing on this forum and here it is being bashed around wtf.
zy capedbandit
i thought about playing this game also but after this thread im not thinking about playing at all
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There are things about this game I wish they'd change, and other things that they don't plan to include right away, and I've voiced my concern about all of it on their forums. None of my threads or posts have been locked or deleted, you simply don't have to act like a child to make your point.
Never give up and never surrender!
Why are you 3 [looks like the same 3 people] bashing this guy for posting what I read as an eloquent and logical progression to a conclusion.
1. he mentioned there aren't mounts
2. he mentioned no crafting
3. he mentioned no overall continuous game story
4. he mention no pvp
So what's the problem with his post? I don't get you all bashing him at all. He said the graphics looked great, i agree with him on that, i like da shinys. But from my stand point I couldn't see what was IN the game, and the classes seemed ... a bit off?
It leads me to conclude that the 3 guys bashing the OP are employees of the company [one seems to admit it] So your opinions are all null and void.
It takes more than just a pretty game to make a game successful these days [vanguard hello]
None of you 3 fanboys have disproved any of the points he made. And, before you say, OH we pointed out a,b,c,... all those things were ... "in the making" how much will it suck when for the first 3 months there's no mounts [people will quit on day 3, especially the powergamers] no mounts that crap gets old QUICK. ok no crafting? the whole point of RPG is that there's a progression of the character, crafting gives a player a sense of impacting the game and progressing personally. it's ridiculous not to have crafting in a game these days.
You flaming the OP and saying stuff like don't feed the trolls makes it more apparent that you yourselves are the trolls.
The OP violated the NDA. He broke a contract he entered into with PE. Your ad hominem attacks on people that disagree with kids who take closed beta spots and then can't even follow the most simple rules gives a great deal of insight into your morality. I've never played the game. I only know about the game from my own research. I don't even think I'll play this game if AoC or PoTBS comes out before it's released, why don't you go ahead and tell me what a "fanboi" I am because I feel nothing but disgust for people who violate contractual obligations because one of their posts were deleted. Yes, your opinion on this subject isn't "null and void", because you somehow think that the OP's inability to follow PE's forum rules coupled with his criminal activities on these boards is some how "logical and eloquent". Oh, and the tinfoil hat conspiracy theories about 'paid employees" who come to these boards is also cute, in a very mentally disturbing way.
Perhaps you have a monumental ignorance of the development cycle? Here, let me explain. Most mmorpg's suffer from an issue known as "feature creep", what this means is, as a game gets further and further into development, practical experience will often reveal new, more efficeint, or even more "fun" ways of implementing certain things. This, coupled unforeseen issues arise that take time away from development of intended features to correct. This is a balancing act that the companies must maintain. They cannot put their game on hold indefinitely, at some point it must be released. However, astute observation on how games that don't have promised features at release lose their player bases on the 3rd day. Look at WoW, 3 years later and no hero classes. Look at the failure of EQ 1 in the first 3 days (or the first month, since that's how long it took them to put in +35th level spells). Yeah, you're a regular genius when it comes to understanding the mind of the average gamer.
/I joined MMORPG back in '04 because I used my psychic powers to realized I'd be hired by SoE to shill for a game that wasn't even in development at the time. Don't worry about those black helicopters over your house, it's just the illuminati sent by the tri-lateral commision.
The first amendment (freedom of speech/press) has no jurisdiction within a private establishment.
I've been apart of GnH for almost a year now. Dude you have no idea!
I can't really say any more than that, but really my friend if I were you I would go over to AoC or Warhammer. If you dislike the game so be it, I really don't give a damn what YOU think is best. I can just tell you this, if there is one game that is going to make it this year this one is it. And you don't need to be a gamer to know that, just look at how many people are already hyped about this game...can you say 100k easy?
I'm sorry to be a ass hole here, but I really hope you don't play this game. You kind of remind me of one of those oversexed teeny's in WoW, and I've had enough Barrnes chat to last me a life time, I don't need any more. So go to some other game, it's really not a big deal what you think...I sure don't care
-Phorsoth-
hehe
1st of all where is a magic 100 k number came from?
2nd i do not know how many pple are hyped about this game but for some reason it cannot kick even 3rd place from the bottom in anticipation on this site, for the last 6 month so u have no idea what u r talking about
3rd u r the one that reminds me that teenager that u mentioned
No hard feelings my friend. Its sad but true...
You're right about the second thing though since every MMO player visits MMORPG.com, reads about every game, and hypes it according to how fun they think it will be.
I don't foresee any constructive discussion here, so I'm locking this.